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| First post | 2024-12-14 20:09 -0800 |
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ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-14 20:09 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-12-15 10:14 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2024-12-15 03:06 -0800
Re: ww2 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-12-16 06:50 +0100
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-16 21:24 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-18 13:42 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-20 09:34 -0800
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 17:16 -0600
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-20 09:48 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-20 10:08 -0800
Re: ww3 % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 11:32 -0700
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-24 00:38 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-12-27 11:08 -0800
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-30 00:14 -0700
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 04:58 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 04:56 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:21 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 06:43 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 22:52 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-01 15:05 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 07:21 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-03 09:12 +0000
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-04 07:38 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-03 23:40 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-05 09:05 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:38 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-05 12:26 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-07 06:45 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-07 00:05 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 08:33 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:09 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-09 07:55 +0100
Re: ww3 Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-09 08:02 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-09 10:01 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 01:20 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:05 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 08:35 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 08:57 -0500
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-15 10:57 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-15 21:35 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-16 17:17 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-15 16:28 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-10 08:15 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 08:53 +0000
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-16 08:56 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-16 08:25 +0000
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-18 08:27 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-19 10:35 +0000
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 15:29 -0600
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-20 08:38 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-20 09:58 +0000
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-16 08:56 +0000
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-18 08:33 +0100
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-18 15:58 +0000
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-19 07:40 +0100
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 15:35 -0600
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-08 23:08 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 01:19 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-10 08:32 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:08 -0500
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 22:51 -0600
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-10 08:25 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-09 23:40 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-11 09:29 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 11:26 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-11 14:32 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:25 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:21 -0500
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 16:16 -0600
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:18 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:22 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-07 20:12 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:11 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-08 12:14 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:00 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-05 11:50 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-05 11:51 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:25 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-07 06:22 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:31 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-07 20:33 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 09:13 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-08 01:07 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:19 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-11 09:39 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 11:39 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:33 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:31 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:21 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-11 09:46 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 11:47 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:37 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:02 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-07 06:28 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:34 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 09:00 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-08 01:09 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-09 07:44 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:23 -0500
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-08 16:01 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-11 09:49 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 19:39 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-03 08:49 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 14:39 -0500
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-07 06:46 +0100
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-06 23:59 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 08:30 +0100
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 15:23 -0500
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-08 16:04 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 16:07 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 01:17 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 01:18 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 01:20 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 11:54 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 18:41 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-11 20:32 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-11 21:00 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 17:52 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 17:23 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-19 19:55 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 22:39 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 22:45 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-19 23:02 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 00:03 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 00:08 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 21:11 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 23:13 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 23:41 -0800
Re: ww3 Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-20 07:04 -0800
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 13:27 -0600
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 13:34 -0600
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-21 04:52 +0000
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 23:59 -0600
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-22 06:44 +0000
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 11:57 -0800
Re: ww3 Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-20 13:41 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 22:55 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 22:51 -0500
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 13:33 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 21:05 -0500
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 20:56 -0800
Re: ww3 Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-19 20:49 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 22:36 -0800
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 22:41 -0600
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-10 01:25 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-09 22:46 -0800
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:18 -0700
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 18:40 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-19 19:44 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 22:56 -0500
Re: ww3 Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-07 11:23 -0800
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-07 13:24 -0800
Re: ww3 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-08 08:48 +0100
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 22:56 -0600
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:35 -0500
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 23:42 -0700
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-12 23:06 -0800
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-13 10:46 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 15:11 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 02:23 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 09:09 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 03:15 +0000
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-13 21:27 -0800
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-14 08:26 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 09:25 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-15 15:32 +0000
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 16:57 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-19 02:21 +0000
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-18 19:37 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 18:40 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 09:24 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-15 16:36 +0000
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-15 19:08 -0800
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-16 05:21 +0000
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-15 21:44 -0800
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-17 02:28 -0600
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:40 -0500
Re: ww3 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-19 00:49 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-18 22:02 -0800
Re: ww3 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-20 00:10 -0500
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 17:36 -0500
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 14:50 -0800
Re: ww3 The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-19 00:49 -0800
Re: ww3 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 17:11 -0800
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:12 -0700
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-13 15:00 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-13 12:53 -0800
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:10 -0700
Re: ww3 Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:15 -0700
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 18:45 -0500
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-19 19:47 -0800
Re: ww3 Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 22:58 -0500
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-12-21 05:48 +0000
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 14:35 -0600
Re: ww3 bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-12-22 05:39 +0000
Re: ww3 Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 02:50 -0600
Re: ww3 patdolan@comcast.net (patdolan) - 2025-01-19 03:01 +0000
Re: ww3 Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> - 2025-01-18 19:37 -0800
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-09 22:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vlq8vv$2ebjo$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #890599 |
On 1/8/25 1:33 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am Dienstag000007, 07.01.2025 um 09:05 schrieb Siri Cruise: >> Thomas Heger wrote: >>> But I would bet, the Russians send submarines or drop mines in case >>> there are Nato ships coming into the Black Sea. >> >> NATO already has ships in the Black Sea. >> > > Possibly yes, but there is no war between Russia and NATO till now. > > Important is, what would happen in the case of a conflict. > > I would guess, that Russia has enough missiles already positioned on the > Crimean peninsula to sink all western boats with the push on a single > button. > > TH Navy ships are getting obsolete too. No carrier or warship has any real defense against "Hoot" type torpedoes carrying small nuclear warheads. They cannot be intercepted. They're too fast, as fast as missiles but inside water! If it was not for Iranians' Hoot torpedoes, USA had attempted 100 times to invade Iran's southern shores. They know they cannot do it, and that's why it never happened. That means warships are these days just means to eat up your tax money. They don't have much war value.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-01-10 08:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <luc0biF4rvdU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #890626 |
Am Freitag000010, 10.01.2025 um 05:51 schrieb Physfitfreak: > On 1/8/25 1:33 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am Dienstag000007, 07.01.2025 um 09:05 schrieb Siri Cruise: >>> Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> But I would bet, the Russians send submarines or drop mines in case >>>> there are Nato ships coming into the Black Sea. >>> >>> NATO already has ships in the Black Sea. >>> >> >> Possibly yes, but there is no war between Russia and NATO till now. >> >> Important is, what would happen in the case of a conflict. >> >> I would guess, that Russia has enough missiles already positioned on >> the Crimean peninsula to sink all western boats with the push on a >> single button. >> >> TH > > > Navy ships are getting obsolete too. No carrier or warship has any real > defense against "Hoot" type torpedoes carrying small nuclear warheads. > They cannot be intercepted. They're too fast, as fast as missiles but > inside water! > > If it was not for Iranians' Hoot torpedoes, USA had attempted 100 times > to invade Iran's southern shores. They know they cannot do it, and > that's why it never happened. > > That means warships are these days just means to eat up your tax money. > They don't have much war value. I would guess, that Russia has already means to destroy US-carriers from within Turkey or Syria and while they are still passing through the Dardanelles. It is therefor almost impossible to enter with US carriers into the Black Sea. And without carriers, the Nato has no good options for a starting position of fighter jets in a conflict with Russia. In the end, the Crimean peninsula is essential for Russian defense. That's why Russia will not give up the Krim and for no price. This in turn would make it impossible for the Ukraine to win in any meaningful way. TH
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-09 23:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlqiso$3t2lh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890633 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > I would guess, that Russia has already means to destroy > US-carriers from within Turkey Russia attacking the USA from inside Turkey. You are so silly. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 09:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lueofjFib4lU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #890635 |
Am Freitag000010, 10.01.2025 um 08:40 schrieb Siri Cruise: > Thomas Heger wrote: >> I would guess, that Russia has already means to destroy US-carriers >> from within Turkey > > Russia attacking the USA from inside Turkey. > > You are so silly. > No, I meant this: a carrier is safe, because it is almost entirely impossible to get near enough to attack it. But if a carrier passes through the narrow Dardanelles or the Bosporus, it is impossible to defend, because it is impossible to hide something as big as a carrier in the middle of a busy city. Now it is perfectly thinkable, that Russian have already built facilities (like bunkers or similar) hidden there, which are able to emit rockets of some kind, which could sink a carrier. Now the carrier cannot use the usual means against rockets, unless they want to level half of Istanbul. In effect the carrier is defenseless against attacks from land 'sideways', because missiles from land have extremely short distances to travel, before they hit the carrier. Also automated guns used against approaching rockets are not very useful, because they would miss the rocket, but destroy Istanbul instead. But longer ranged missiles are also possible e.g. from Syria. Or how about mines or submarines? But lets assume, the carrier made its way to the Black Sea (despite some obstacles). What could the Russians do then? Well, they had several options, which are all dangerous. E.g. they could send missiles from the Krim. Or they send submarines or use something else, we have no imagination about. TH
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 11:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlugoj$ogg2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890640 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > But if a carrier passes through the narrow Dardanelles or the > Bosporus, it is impossible to defend, because it is impossible to > hide something as big as a carrier in the middle of a busy city. > > Now it is perfectly thinkable, that Russian have already built > facilities (like bunkers or similar) hidden there, which are able > to emit rockets of some kind, which could sink a carrier. All of us know about the Russian bunkers hid in the Oakland hills. We just do not tell you about them. > But longer ranged missiles are also possible e.g. from Syria. We better expose the carriers quick before Syria finishes chasing the Russians away. > Or they send submarines or use something else, we have no > imagination about. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoAF_57th_Air_Base> -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 14:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6782F18A.5072@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #890647 |
Siri Cruise wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > > > But if a carrier passes through the narrow Dardanelles or the > > Bosporus, it is impossible to defend, because it is impossible to > > hide something as big as a carrier in the middle of a busy city. > > > > Now it is perfectly thinkable, that Russian have already built > > facilities (like bunkers or similar) hidden there, which are able > > to emit rockets of some kind, which could sink a carrier. > > All of us know about the Russian bunkers hid in the Oakland hills. > We just do not tell you about them. I thought they were fat ass women from Russia....is your mother russian? i wanna git in her ...bunker! no, i'm gonna cruise in her bunker.. she'll go bonkers! Whoa, your mamma got a fat ass siri! are you sirious? yeah man! Ho's you sister's bunker? i want some of dat! are you sirious? no, no, I'm just joking, i don't want no fat ass woman... is your sister hot? siriously? i want some of dat! is he on ticktwat? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 19:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bo26oj5a95dm818c2nq9ueafch3qfuea7q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890647 |
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:26:57 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote: >Thomas Heger wrote: > >> But if a carrier passes through the narrow Dardanelles or the >> Bosporus, it is impossible to defend, because it is impossible to >> hide something as big as a carrier in the middle of a busy city. >> >> Now it is perfectly thinkable, that Russian have already built >> facilities (like bunkers or similar) hidden there, which are able >> to emit rockets of some kind, which could sink a carrier. > >All of us know about the Russian bunkers hid in the Oakland hills. >We just do not tell you about them. > >> But longer ranged missiles are also possible e.g. from Syria. > >We better expose the carriers quick before Syria finishes chasing >the Russians away. <giggle> >> Or they send submarines or use something else, we have no >> imagination about. Perhaps the Kursk, Moskva or some other state of the art Russian sub. ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoAF_57th_Air_Base> <G>
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 19:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <2j26ojtprlngii97sp2ljuiotolb1clhvj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890640 |
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:29:41 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >But if a carrier passes through the narrow Dardanelles or the Bosporus, >it is impossible to defend, because it is impossible to hide something >as big as a carrier in the middle of a busy city. You continue to show how ignorant you are. Carriers are forbidden access through the Bosporus. Further, there is no need for attacks from carriers, not even in Pacific Russia (Alaska, Japan, S Korea, Philippines, US air and naval bases in the South China Sea).
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-10 16:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vls68g$23o31$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #890633 |
On 1/10/25 1:25 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Freitag000010, 10.01.2025 um 05:51 schrieb Physfitfreak:
>> On 1/8/25 1:33 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am Dienstag000007, 07.01.2025 um 09:05 schrieb Siri Cruise:
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> But I would bet, the Russians send submarines or drop mines in case
>>>>> there are Nato ships coming into the Black Sea.
>>>>
>>>> NATO already has ships in the Black Sea.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Possibly yes, but there is no war between Russia and NATO till now.
>>>
>>> Important is, what would happen in the case of a conflict.
>>>
>>> I would guess, that Russia has enough missiles already positioned on
>>> the Crimean peninsula to sink all western boats with the push on a
>>> single button.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>>
>> Navy ships are getting obsolete too. No carrier or warship has any
>> real defense against "Hoot" type torpedoes carrying small nuclear
>> warheads. They cannot be intercepted. They're too fast, as fast as
>> missiles but inside water!
>>
>> If it was not for Iranians' Hoot torpedoes, USA had attempted 100
>> times to invade Iran's southern shores. They know they cannot do it,
>> and that's why it never happened.
>>
>> That means warships are these days just means to eat up your tax
>> money. They don't have much war value.
>
> I would guess, that Russia has already means to destroy US-carriers from
> within Turkey or Syria and while they are still passing through the
> Dardanelles.
>
> It is therefor almost impossible to enter with US carriers into the
> Black Sea.
>
> And without carriers, the Nato has no good options for a starting
> position of fighter jets in a conflict with Russia.
>
> In the end, the Crimean peninsula is essential for Russian defense.
> That's why Russia will not give up the Krim and for no price.
>
> This in turn would make it impossible for the Ukraine to win in any
> meaningful way.
>
> TH
>
>
If war could solve any nato or u.s. problem, it had happened already.
The world nowadays can defend against USA and its allies. But they are
busy getting developed farther, becoming stronger, and raising their
level of life and happiness. That's why both Europe and USA can only
place sanctions against the world. They can't do anything else
whatsoever. No other options. And sanctions are losing its effectiveness
as BRICS nations increase in number and adopt the set of rules followed
by BRICS.
"We are the future, you are the past. I repeat: We are the future,
and you are the past."
- Raisi delivering speech in UN
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-11 19:18 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <4826oj95fk3acpvdj62jnace3dqg3stn98@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890633 |
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 08:25:38 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: <snip> > >I would guess, that Russia has already means to destroy US-carriers from >within Turkey or Syria and while they are still passing through the >Dardanelles. > >It is therefor almost impossible to enter with US carriers into the >Black Sea. You're showing your ignorance. Aircraft carriers are not allowed to move between the Black and the Aegean per longstanding international treaty. >And without carriers, the Nato has no good options for a starting >position of fighter jets in a conflict with Russia. How about NATO's unsinkable carriers in western Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Sweden and points adjacent? Moscow is within reach of Rammstein. >In the end, the Crimean peninsula is essential for Russian defense. >That's why Russia will not give up the Krim and for no price. Russians are liars and cheats. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum> >This in turn would make it impossible for the Ukraine to win in any >meaningful way. <laughs and points>
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-07 22:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bsprnjt42unsl4j1la3j1q80omh07svi3u@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890583 |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 06:45:15 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >Am Sonntag000005, 05.01.2025 um 20:38 schrieb Governor Swill: > >>>>> The Russians have a good strategic position in that conflict and the >>>>> Nato has a terrible one. >>>> >>>> NATO has no position. It is not fighting. >>>> >>> >>> Well, we have actually a 'proxy war', which is seemingly financed by >>> western powers and maintained by Ukrainians and Russians (plus solders >>> of fortune from various countries). >>> >>> Now the Russians are the dominant power in this conflict, because >>> Russian military is many times stronger that the Ukrainian. >> >> BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Is that why Putin's two week 'speshul operashun' >> has been dragging in for three years? Is that why he's reinforcing his lines >> with North Korean troops who barely know which end of the gun to hold let alone >> what to aim at? >> >> "Russian paramilitary soldiers killed in friendly fire attack by North Koreans >> after enlisting DPRK help" >> <https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/world-news/russian-paramilitary-soldiers-killed-in-friendly-fire-attack-by-north-koreans-after-enlisting-dprk-help/> >> >>> This will not change in the immediate future, if no Nato troops would >>> engage into that conflict, too. >> >> Ukraine is proving you don't need NATO troops, you just need superior western >> weapons. >> >>> I was writing about the hypothetical possibility, that this could happen. >>> >>> In THAT case Nato forces would need to reach the front line in the >>> eastern Ukraine somehow. >> >> Airplanes, trains, trucks or they could just open a few new fronts in Finland, >> Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. Embargo all Russian sea traffic from the >> Baltic to the Pacific. The French Navy alone is stronger than Russia's! >> >> Only an idiot would expect NATO to lose to Russia. > > >The Russians are not attacking the NATO. No? Who do you think is going to believe that Putin is not threatening Europe? NATO and its members are supporting Ukraine against Russia precisely *because* Russia is threatening NATO states. >Now the Russians have dug defense lines and wait there for western troops. Not going to help them much when their munitions plants go up in smoke and they can't get food or ammo to the front. >Such western troops would need to attack these entrenched forces, hence >Russians defend and Nato had to win an attack, supposed they wanted to >do that. Starving troops are easier to flush out of trenches with cluster munitions. >But the expectacions are rather chilling, since the Russians are already >there and have dug themselves in and wait. And die. Nearly three quarters of a million casualties in three years. Russia's most deadly war since 1945. >This is a VERY unfortunate situation, Caused entirely by Putin's power madness and hubris. >supposed the Nato wanted to push >the Russians out of weatern Ukraine. The Russians are in *western* Ukraine? >Difficult is, that Russia has all sorts of armour already in place, Keep telling yourself that. Russia has lost nearly half its operational armor stockpile already. Putin has stripped his borders with the Baltics and Finland as well as Kaliningrad of their defense systems because he doesn't have enough to go around. UK, France and Germany are not 'halfway around the globe'. Neither are American stocks of tanks currently assigned to NATO operations stored in the dozens of US military bases in Europe. >This is extremely dangerous, because Russian controlled territory >surrounds the possible 'arena' in the eastern Ukraine. If Ukraine can breach the border to take and hold large sections of Russia, I have no worry that Russia will, in the end, be completely defeated. >This would enable the Russians to encircle large parts of a western >chorps there (kind of 'New Stalingrad'). The only circle Russians can make is a circle jerk. >The only real advantage of the west are far reaching drones and missiles. Better trained and equipped troops. Better aircraft, basically, better everything. Russian military tech and tactics would be laughable if they weren't so tragic. >But these cannot conquer a country, only damage it. > >That's why ground forces are necessary. And if Putin prods NATO and forces a direct confrontation, Russia will fall within months. Remember that Putin's actions have resulted in 800 miles of new NATO border all of which is being heavily reinforced daily. Finland has already authorized the building of US bases near the Russian border while Germans and other NATO troops are already at the Baltics' Russian borders. >>> I meant, that Russian missiles, submarines, >> >> You mean their convertibles? LOL! The Russian Navy is another joke. Perhaps >> the biggest military joke on the planet. And their missiles don't work. >> >>> mines and other weapons >>> could easily destroy US carriers and other ships, once they try to come >>> through the Bosporous. Aircraft carriers aren't allowed through the Bosporus, o ignorant one. They aren't needed anyway. There are dozens of US and NATO airbases scattered across Europe within easy reach of Russia and Ukraine. >> LOL! The Russian Navy is hiding in the Sea of Azov and dares not come into the >> Black Sea. Turkey and Romania have already neutralized Russians attempts to >> mine Ukraine's trade routes. > >Sure. > >But I would bet, the Russians send submarines or drop mines You're not listening. Given the state of the rest of their navy (looking at the Kursk, the Widow Maker and Admiral Kuznetsov) their submarines are shit. As for mines, "Turkey and Romania have already neutralized Russians attempts to mine Ukraine's trade routes." > in case there are Nato ships coming into the Black Sea. There are already NATO ships in the Black or have you forgotten Turkey and Romania are NATO members? From their war with Japan over a hundred years ago to the embarrassment that is the Admiral Kuznetsov, the sinking of the Moskva and being chased from the Black Sea by a nation without a navy, the Russian Fleet has proved it is more a liability than an asset. The only thing you can count on from the Russian Navy is new, artful ways of scamming public funds from the Russian treasury.
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-07 20:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlktve$2klag$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890591 |
Governor Swill wrote: > There are already NATO ships in the Black or have you forgotten Turkey and > Romania are NATO members? Bulgaria is also a NATO member with a Black Sea navy. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-08 15:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cvmtnjh5bm21d60lfu4heudohi2u4isdf2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890596 |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 20:12:26 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote: >Governor Swill wrote: >> There are already NATO ships in the Black or have you forgotten Turkey and >> Romania are NATO members? > >Bulgaria is also a NATO member with a Black Sea navy. Right. I overlooked them.
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-08 12:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlmmc0$2ujl8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890608 |
Governor Swill wrote: > On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 20:12:26 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Governor Swill wrote: >>> There are already NATO ships in the Black or have you forgotten Turkey and >>> Romania are NATO members? >> >> Bulgaria is also a NATO member with a Black Sea navy. > > Right. I overlooked them. > They are used to it. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 14:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <clllnjhvn3kd5ulrg5ls0pnth4rkgtfid4@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890569 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. -- Been saying since last spring, "let the voters decide." Well, they did. Get over it.
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 11:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlenr1$16auq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890572 |
Governor Swill wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > >> Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >> But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >> the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. > > The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. I do not know aircraft range from Romania over the Black Sea but even without a war, USA and other NATO countries are flying out Romania and Bulgaria over neutral waters. Romania and Bulgaria have their own navies. Grain ships are loaded across the Danube from Romania and then sail along NATO territorial waters to the Mediterranean. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 11:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vlenru$16b75$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #890572 |
Governor Swill wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > >> Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >> But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >> the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. > > The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. > Such as their Black Sea fleet is, it is busy defending dry docks. And the sea floor. -- Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @ 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \ of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-07 22:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <otrrnjtn318dstdmgc7k9cei72m3fkr12t@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890578 |
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 11:51:20 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote: >Governor Swill wrote: >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >> >>> Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >>> But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >>> the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. >> >> The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. >> > >Such as their Black Sea fleet is, it is busy defending dry docks. >And the sea floor. Russia's Black Seafloor fleet is made up of dozens of Russian surface ships converted to submarines by Ukrainian military technology!
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-01-07 06:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lu3s03FphgoU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #890572 |
Am Sonntag000005, 05.01.2025 um 20:00 schrieb Governor Swill: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > >> Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >> But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >> the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. > > The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. Well, yes, but Russians don't need to. In a way, the Crimean peninsula is an 'unsinkable carrier', while the US-carriers are not. Therefore the Nato needs protection for them, while the Russians don't need that many ships. The Russians could launch missiles from the peninsula and could reach from there every point in the Black Sea. With such missiles they could sink NATO ships, while the NATO can't sink the Crimean peninsula. This is what makes the conflict asymmetric and enables the Russians to sit behind their trenches and simply wait. TH
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-07 22:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <21srnj5on75ocf2ij4gn7bvhh8m6lb3dsl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #890581 |
On Tue, 7 Jan 2025 06:22:14 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >Am Sonntag000005, 05.01.2025 um 20:00 schrieb Governor Swill: >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 07:38:19 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >> >>> Ships were usually preferred by the west, especially aircraft carriers. >>> But since the Black Sea is entirely in the reach of Russian missiles, >>> the USA cannot send their precious fleet there. >> >> The Russians would know about that. They can't send their fleet there either. > >Well, yes, but Russians don't need to. *laughs and points* They sure felt the need to when they were blockading Ukraine's exports. Now those trade routes are open again thanks to Turkey and Romania. >In a way, the Crimean peninsula is an 'unsinkable carrier', while the >US-carriers are not. Crimea can only be such if it has Russian military planes on it, but it doesn't. Putin doesn't dare let his air force get that close to Ukraine! >Therefore the Nato needs protection for them, while the Russians don't >need that many ships. That's good, because they don't *have* many ships left. >The Russians could launch missiles from the peninsula and could reach >from there every point in the Black Sea. Yet in three years they haven't done so. Why is that? >With such missiles they could sink NATO ships, while the NATO can't sink >the Crimean peninsula. Sevastopol used to be an important Russian Naval port. Now it's just rust and cobwebs. Ukraine is routinely taking out Russian 300, 400 and even 500 air defense systems while Russia has yet to launch anything successful from Crimea. They can't even use their rail link across the Kerch anymore because Ukraine damaged it so badly. >This is what makes the conflict asymmetric and enables the Russians to >sit behind their trenches and simply wait. Except they aren't 'simply waiting'. They're charging out of their trenches and dying by the hundreds of thousands. And their commanders are idiots.
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