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  Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2023-01-11 10:35 -0600
    Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-01-11 09:07 -0800
      Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 22:17 -0800
    Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-15 09:11 +1100
      Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-14 17:06 -0600
        Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-15 10:38 +1100
          Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2023-01-14 20:50 -0600
            Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2023-01-14 20:57 -0600
              Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 19:14 -0800
                Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2023-01-15 00:57 -0800
              Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-01-14 19:38 -0800
                Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2023-01-14 21:50 -0600
                  Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-01-14 20:39 -0800
                    Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2023-01-14 22:59 -0600
                  Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 21:50 -0800
              Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-15 00:27 -0600
                Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2023-01-15 01:18 -0800
            Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-15 00:24 -0600
              Re: Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-01-15 07:51 -0800

#868054 — Russia to rescue ISS crew on backup rocket after capsule leak

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/


who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?

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#868056

Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
> 
> 
> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?

For the cost of a limited stay manned mission, many, many robots could
be sent which could explore the entire planet for years.

A manned Mars mission is a pure ego thing that serves very limited scientific
purposes and is more of a politcal statement.

Manned Moon missions are only slightly better.

Unfortunately the world political situation makes it impossible to do
what would make a lot more sense, i.e. an international mission by all
the space capable nations to establish Lunar research stations similar
to the Antarctic stations.

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#868207

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 11:16:09 AM UTC-6, Jim Pennino wrote:
> Sergi o <inv...@invalid.com> wrote: 
> > https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/ 
> > 
> > 
> > who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
> For the cost of a limited stay manned mission, many, many robots could 
> be sent which could explore the entire planet for years. 
> 
> A manned Mars mission is a pure ego thing that serves very limited scientific 
> purposes and is more of a politcal statement. 
> 
> Manned Moon missions are only slightly better. 
> 
> Unfortunately the world political situation makes it impossible to do 
> what would make a lot more sense, i.e. an international mission by all 
> the space capable nations to establish Lunar research stations similar 
> to the Antarctic stations.


Jim Pennino with his pea-brain view of a Mars mission, alongside his pea-brain understanding of physics itself.

I often wonder if Jim has a degree in English Literature and thus why he is here spamming sci.physics

Jim does not yet know that our Sun has gone Red Giant phase and we need to colonize Europa in the next 1,000 years

128th published book

Research Notebook: Earth has perhaps 1-10 million years, or, 140 million years before it is broiled by the Sun// consequence of starshine is Faraday law, not fusion// Astronomy series, book 1 Kindle Edition
by Archimedes Plutonium (Author)

Last revision was 7Apr2021. This is AP's 128th published book of science.

Preface: This is a research notebook, meaning the entire book is an ongoing research program and many unanswered questions need a full answer, chief among those questions is whether we have 1-10 million years rush exit of Earth, or we have the more comfortable 140 million years gradual exit. As of August 2020, I have the fact that the Sun has gone into a Red Giant phase, I have that as a _certainty fact_ due to the Sun and Stars shine from Faraday Law, not from fusion. A certainty fact because all cosmic bodies double in their number of atoms every 140 million years time elapse. So that our Sun is in a Red Giant phase as of 2020, starting Red Giant phase and this phase initiation causes the amount of UV radiation by the Sun to increase steadily and steadily. I have the fact from NASA that the yearly increase in Solar Radiation is 0.005%. Such a yearly increase in radiation, especially UV radiation, regardless of the Ozone protection, regardless of the ozone and its hole, that such a yearly increase will see drastic deaths in Insect populations. The Ozone layer of protection can no longer protect us from a 0.005% steady yearly increase. There is research news that even blue visible light is deadly to small organisms. Small size animals will be the first big noticeable hit in a Red Giant phase. And even larger size animals such as birds, songbirds exposed to a increasing blue light visible and ultraviolet will destroy their eyes and seeing ability. And now we have the SCIENCE 24APR2020 report on its cover "Insect Decline". Where Earths Insect biomass is on a rapid decline 25% biomass per decade. With that rapid of a decline, it is not too many years that entire ecosystems start to decline as well, the plants, for the plants need insects.

What this research notebook is unable to ascertain at the moment, is whether Earth will become like Venus as non-liveable in 1 to 10 million years, or whether we have a more comfortable exit from Earth as 140 million years to do something about the inevitable Sun going Red Giant. A 25% decline of Insects in the last decade is news that indicates, strongly indicates we have just 1 to 10 million years to make Mars-Europa-Pluto our new home. I hate to see that if that is true, because I know 10 million years is a short time to do something of a total evacuation of planet Earth and try to live upon Mars-Europa-Pluto. Such a mass exodus sounds more like a horror story.

But all the science books prior to this book, were saying humanity has around 4 billion years to begin to contemplate a Sun going Red Giant phase. No, this book says Earth is like Venus in the next 140 million years, and possibly like Venus in just 1 to 10 million years. So where the 4 billion years -- no-one really cared about Red Giant phase, if that is truly 1-10 million years. Then, that science becomes number 1 science in every person alive. If we do not get out to Mars-Europa-Pluto in time, there will be no more humanity, and gone extinct. And funny, and ironic, that the average life span of any organism-species on Earth as found in the fossil record, is, you guessed it, 1 to 10 million years on average. There is something tantalizingly curious about the numbers 1 to 10 million years as the average life span of any species until it becomes extinct.

Cover Picture: is my iphone photograph of that SCIENCE "Insect Decline" and also my computer with the recent report of a 30% loss of all wild birds in North America.
Length: 124 pages

Product details
		ASIN : B08FPQB2YQ
		Publication date : August 11, 2020
		Language : English
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#868179

On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
> 
> 
> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
> micrometeoroid ?

A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return 
to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid 
shielding.

Sylvia.

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#868186

On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>
>>
>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
>> micrometeoroid ?
> 
> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return 
> to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid 
> shielding.
> 
> Sylvia.

Please read and understand NASA history.

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#868187

On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>
>>>
>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
>>> micrometeoroid ?
>>
>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return 
>> to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid 
>> shielding.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Please read and understand NASA history.
> 

I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it 
increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first 
humans to Mars.

Sylvia

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#868191

On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>
>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>
> 
> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
> 
> Sylvia

Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.

1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.

they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.

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#868192

On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>>
>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>
>>
>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
>>
>> Sylvia
> 
> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.
> 
> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
> 
> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
> 

forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the 
dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help 
form the biofilm...

Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....

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#868193

On Sunday, 15 January 2023 at 08:27:45 UTC+5:30, Sergi o wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote: 
> > On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> >> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote: 
> >>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> >>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote: 
> >>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/ 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sylvia. 
> >>> 
> >>> Please read and understand NASA history. 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars. 
> >> 
> >> Sylvia 
> > 
> > Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is. 
> > 
> > 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years. 
> > 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation. 
> > 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation. 
> > 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ? 
> > 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics. 
> > 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits. 
> > 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year. 
> > 
> > they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it. 
> >
> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the 
> dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water. Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help 
> form the biofilm... 
> 
> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
Good point, Sergio sahib.
My IFEs will produce fresh water onboard from their Hydrogen and Oxygen fuel, using fuel cells.
Enough water to grow fish and veges.
Unfortuntely there are too many rbh fools stopping that development.
Rbh is racist bigoted hypocritical, the hallmarks of modern western civ.
Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

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#868215

On Sunday, 15 January 2023 at 08:44:53 UTC+5:30, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 January 2023 at 08:27:45 UTC+5:30, Sergi o wrote: 
> > On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote: 
> > > On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> > >> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote: 
> > >>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> > >>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote: 
> > >>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/ 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ? 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Sylvia. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Please read and understand NASA history. 
> > >>> 
> > >> 
> > >> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars. 
> > >> 
> > >> Sylvia 
> > > 
> > > Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is. 
> > > 
> > > 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years. 
> > > 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation. 
> > > 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation. 
> > > 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air. So what would earthlings do up there anyway ? 
> > > 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics. 
> > > 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits. 
> > > 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year. 
> > > 
> > > they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it. 
> > > 
> > forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the 
> > dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water. Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help 
> > form the biofilm... 
> > 
> > Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
> Good point, Sergio sahib. 
> My IFEs will produce fresh water onboard from their Hydrogen and Oxygen fuel, using fuel cells. 
> Enough water to grow fish and veges. 
> Unfortuntely there are too many rbh fools stopping that development. 
> Rbh is racist bigoted hypocritical, the hallmarks of modern western civ. 
> Cheers, 
> Arindam Banerjee
Given that European did not take baths for thousands of years till they came into contact with the East, during the crusades, this is a throwback. Reversion. They could do better by nudity. Pristine, what. Scrape off dirt with a knife, eskimo style.

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#868196

Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>
>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>> 
>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.
>> 
>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
>> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
>> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
>> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
>> 
>> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
>> 
> 
> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the 
> dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help 
> form the biofilm...
> 
> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
> 

Sort of.

They are thrown out and burn up on rentry.

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#868197

On 1/14/2023 9:38 PM, Jim Pennino wrote:
> Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>
>>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.
>>>
>>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
>>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
>>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
>>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
>>> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
>>> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
>>> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
>>>
>>> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
>>>
>>
>> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the
>> dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help
>> form the biofilm...
>>
>> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
>>
> 
> Sort of.
> 
> They are thrown out and burn up on rentry.
> 
> 

your right, I think they wear paper clothes...

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#868200

Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 9:38 PM, Jim Pennino wrote:
>> Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>
>>>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.
>>>>
>>>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
>>>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
>>>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
>>>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
>>>> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
>>>> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
>>>> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
>>>>
>>>> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the
>>> dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help
>>> form the biofilm...
>>>
>>> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
>>>
>> 
>> Sort of.
>> 
>> They are thrown out and burn up on rentry.
>> 
>> 
> 
> your right, I think they wear paper clothes...

Apparently they wear Hanes, including the Russians.

https://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/livinginspace/Astronaut_Laundry.html

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#868202

On 1/14/2023 10:39 PM, Jim Pennino wrote:
> Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 9:38 PM, Jim Pennino wrote:
>>> Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the first humans to Mars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>
>>>>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their reports on how hazardous it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with you to last 3 or 4 years.
>>>>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars surface to survive the radiation.
>>>>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive radiation.
>>>>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up there anyway ?
>>>>> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will contaminate the electronics.
>>>>> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
>>>>> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
>>>>>
>>>>> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water takes the
>>>> dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead cells which help
>>>> form the biofilm...
>>>>
>>>> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sort of.
>>>
>>> They are thrown out and burn up on rentry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> your right, I think they wear paper clothes...
> 
> Apparently they wear Hanes, including the Russians.
> 
> https://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/livinginspace/Astronaut_Laundry.html
> 

from the article: "To make sure that the ISS crew has enough food, water, and other necessities for their stay in space, the Russian Space Agency 
launches unmanned Progress ships to carry supplies to the Station. The Progress is a nonreusable spacecraft, good for a one-way trip to the Space 
Station. Once it is there and the Station crew has unloaded the supplies, the Progress is then loaded up with trash, including dirty laundry. Since only 
a limited number of Progress crafts are sent to ISS each year, the dirty clothes can sit around on the Station for a while before they can be disposed 
of. The Progress is then undocked from the Station and "de-orbited," placed on a course that causes it to burn up in Earth's atmosphere over the Pacific 
Ocean."

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#868204

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 7:50:07 PM UTC-8, Sergi o wrote:

> your right, I think they wear paper clothes...

Did you ever hear about the cowboy who came into the saloon wearing nothing but paper clothes? A paper hat, a paper shirt, paper pants... they hung him for rustling...

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#868210

On 1/14/2023 8:57 PM, Sergi o wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
>>>>>> micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>
>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate 
>>>>> return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and 
>>>>> micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it 
>>> increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the 
>>> first humans to Mars.
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>>
>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their 
>> reports on how hazardous it is.
>>
>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food 
>> with you to last 3 or 4 years.
>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the 
>> mars surface to survive the radiation.
>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive 
>> radiation.
>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up 
>> there anyway ?
>> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will 
>> contaminate the electronics.
>> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
>> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
>>
>> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front 
>> with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
>>
> 
> forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or 
> on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water 
> takes the dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of 
> the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead 
> cells which help form the biofilm...
> 
> Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those 
> dirty clothes are brought back to earth....

On longer missions jettison dirty clothes towards the nearest sun. Of 
course the other issue is how to clean the inside of pressure garment
assemblies.

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#868217

On Sunday, 15 January 2023 at 11:57:21 UTC+5:30, whodat wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 8:57 PM, Sergi o wrote: 
> > On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote: 
> >> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> >>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote: 
> >>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote: 
> >>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/ 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
> >>>>>> micrometeoroid ? 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate 
> >>>>> return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and 
> >>>>> micrometeoroid shielding. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Sylvia. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Please read and understand NASA history. 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it 
> >>> increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the 
> >>> first humans to Mars. 
> >>> 
> >>> Sylvia 
> >> 
> >> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their 
> >> reports on how hazardous it is. 
> >> 
> >> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food 
> >> with you to last 3 or 4 years. 
> >> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the 
> >> mars surface to survive the radiation. 
> >> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive 
> >> radiation. 
> >> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up 
> >> there anyway ? 
> >> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will 
> >> contaminate the electronics. 
> >> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits. 
> >> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year. 
> >> 
> >> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front 
> >> with the risks, as their funding depends upon it. 
> >> 
> > 
> > forgot this: they have not figured out how to wash clothes in space or 
> > on mars. Think about it, you have to soak the clothes in water, water 
> > takes the dirt out, then you have to separate the dirt and soap out of 
> > the water to re use the water.  Human body is constantly sheading dead 
> > cells which help form the biofilm... 
> > 
> > Currently all the clothes are sent up to the space station, and those 
> > dirty clothes are brought back to earth....
> On longer missions jettison dirty clothes towards the nearest sun. Of 
> course the other issue is how to clean the inside of pressure garment 
> assemblies.
Typical filthy thinking from the whodumbo.

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#868209

On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
>>>>> micrometeoroid ?
>>>>
>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate 
>>>> return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and 
>>>> micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>
>>
>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it 
>> increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the 
>> first humans to Mars.
>>
>> Sylvia
> 
> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their 
> reports on how hazardous it is.
> 
> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with 
> you to last 3 or 4 years.


Or stage supply/rescue stations along the route ahead of time and have
standby rescue teams strategically placed.



> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars 
> surface to survive the radiation.
> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive 
> radiation.
> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up 
> there anyway ?


What was better on our moon other than surface temperature and length
of journey?


> 5. The biofilm created inside the space ship and capsule will 
> contaminate the electronics.
> 6. Going to mars is at least 3 year commitment, due to orbits.
> 7. Those that go to mars will be blind due to cataracs in 1 year.
> 
> they have looked at shielding already, But NASA will not be up front 
> with the risks, as their funding depends upon it.
> 

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#868235

whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> wrote:
> On 1/14/2023 8:50 PM, Sergi o wrote:
>> On 1/14/2023 5:38 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 15-Jan-23 10:06 am, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 1/14/2023 4:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 12-Jan-23 3:35 am, Sergi o wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-launch-backup-soyuz-spacecraft-iss-following-leak-2023-01-11/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> who is going to rescue the Mars mission, when they get leaked by a 
>>>>>> micrometeoroid ?
>>>>>
>>>>> A long duration manned mission with no ability for an immediate 
>>>>> return to Earth would have to have additional redundancy, and 
>>>>> micrometeoroid shielding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> Please read and understand NASA history.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I keep having hope in a triumph over experience. Fortunately, it 
>>> increasingly looks like NASA will not be the entity that sends the 
>>> first humans to Mars.
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>> 
>> Mars is extremely difficult, and NASA does not freely publish their 
>> reports on how hazardous it is.
>> 
>> 1. you have to take all your water, all your air, and all your food with 
>> you to last 3 or 4 years.
> 
> 
> Or stage supply/rescue stations along the route ahead of time and have
> standby rescue teams strategically placed.

There is no "the route" to Mars.

The path taken is constantly changing as the two planets orbit the Sun.

> 
>> 2. you have to live in a capsule burried about 15 feet down in the mars 
>> surface to survive the radiation.
>> 3. you have to stay in the capsule about 95% of the time to survive 
>> radiation.
>> 4. Mars has rocks, sand and no air.  So what would earthlings do up 
>> there anyway ?
> 
> 
> What was better on our moon other than surface temperature and length
> of journey?

Very little and it has recently been discovered that the Earth's
magnetic field shields the Moon less then previously thought.

https://www.physicalsciences.ucla.edu/ucla-research-discovers-that-full-moon-may-not-be-protected-by-earths-magnetic-field-after-all/

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