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Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it.

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  Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-16 19:13 +0000
    Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-17 01:39 +0100
      Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-17 13:51 +0000
        Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-17 22:35 +0100
          Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-17 21:51 +0000
            Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-17 23:10 +0100
              Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-17 23:49 +0000
                Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-12-17 17:45 -0800
              Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-18 03:02 +0000
            Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-17 23:19 +0100
              Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-17 23:43 +0000
                Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-18 19:37 +0100
                Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-18 19:37 +0100
                Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-18 19:39 +0100
                  Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 19:36 +0000
                    Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-18 21:12 +0100
                      Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 20:58 +0000
                    Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-18 15:58 -0600
                  Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 19:51 +0000
                    Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-18 16:00 -0600
                      Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 22:47 +0000
                        Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-18 17:04 -0600
                          Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 23:24 +0000
                            Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-18 18:56 -0600
                            Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-18 22:06 -0600
                              Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-19 19:20 +0000
                                Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-19 14:21 -0600
                          Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-19 01:42 +0100
          Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it. Dario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id> - 2022-12-17 21:58 +0000

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#866322 — Re: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it.

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-16 19:13 +0000
SubjectRe: What is mass? 350 years of not knowing it.
Message-ID<tnig09$3e6gq$4@dont-email.me>
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> But, in reality, nobody knows. The same with electricity, magnetism,
>> protons,
>> muons, nuclear energy, cosmic rays and how is that a bicycle work.
>> Maybe relativists can chip in with some insights.
>  
> E̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ h̶a̶s̶ i̶t̶s̶ d̶e̶n̶s̶i̶t̶y̶.

that's a flux or intensity, not density.

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#866341

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-17 01:39 +0100
Message-ID<12113953.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866322
Dario De filippis wrote:

> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> But, in reality, nobody knows. The same with electricity, magnetism,
>>> protons,
>>> muons, nuclear energy, cosmic rays and how is that a bicycle work.
>>> Maybe relativists can chip in with some insights.
>>  
>> E̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ h̶a̶s̶ i̶t̶s̶ d̶e̶n̶s̶i̶t̶y̶.
> 
> that's a flux or intensity, not density.

There is an energy density, ρ_E ≔ dE/dV, too.  In fact, it is (in natural 
units) the time—time component of the energy–momentum tensor T_μν in the 
Einstein Field Equation of general relativity.

With it, and realizing that E = m c² at relative rest, one can explain why 
and how the spacetime in the vicinity of an object with non-zero mass is 
curved, which leads to observable effects that we call “gravity”, 
“gravitational time dilation”, “gravitational redshift/blueshift”, and 
“deflection of light”.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?  
A: To a prism.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866373

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-17 13:51 +0000
Message-ID<tnkhgd$3lr6k$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866341
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Dario De filippis wrote:
> 
>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> But, in reality, nobody knows. The same with electricity, magnetism,
>>>> protons,
>>>> muons, nuclear energy, cosmic rays and how is that a bicycle work.
>>>> Maybe relativists can chip in with some insights.
>>>  
>>> E̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ h̶a̶s̶ i̶t̶s̶ d̶e̶n̶s̶i̶t̶y̶.
>> 
>> that's a flux or intensity, not density.
> 
> There is an energy density, ρ_E ≔ dE/dV, too.  In fact, it is (in
> natural units) the time—time component of the e̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶–m̶o̶m̶e̶n̶t̶u̶m̶ t̶e̶n̶s̶o̶r̶
> T_μν i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶ E̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶i̶n̶ F̶i̶e̶l̶d̶ E̶q̶u̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶f̶ g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶ r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶t̶y̶.

has nothing to do with tensors, you inbreed cretin. Tensors are not about 
densities.

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#866398

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-17 22:35 +0100
Message-ID<4448516.LvFx2qVVIh@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866373
Dario De filippis wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Dario De filippis wrote:
>>> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> But, in reality, nobody knows. The same with electricity, magnetism,
>>>>> protons,
>>>>> muons, nuclear energy, cosmic rays and how is that a bicycle work.
>>>>> Maybe relativists can chip in with some insights.
>>>> E̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ h̶a̶s̶ i̶t̶s̶ d̶e̶n̶s̶i̶t̶y̶.
>>> that's a flux or intensity, not density.
>> 
>> There is an energy density, ρ_E ≔ dE/dV, too.  In fact, it is (in
>> natural units) the time—time component of the
>> e̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶–m̶o̶m̶e̶n̶t̶u̶m̶ t̶e̶n̶s̶o̶r̶ T_μν i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶
>> E̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶i̶n̶ F̶i̶e̶l̶d̶ E̶q̶u̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶f̶ g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶
>> r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶t̶y̶.

Which part of “inappropriate” did you not get?  But I suspect you are just 
the ‘nym-shifting troll again.
 
> has nothing to do with tensors, you inbreed cretin. Tensors are not about
> densities.

You could not be more wrong.

Already in special relativity:
	
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor#Conservation_laws>
|
| This equation is equivalent to the following 3D conservation laws
| 
| […]
| 
| respectively describing the flux of electromagnetic energy density
                                                             ^^^^^^^ 
| […]
| 
| and electromagnetic momentum density
                               ^^^^^^^ 
| […]
| 
| where J is the electric current density, ρ the electric charge density,
                                  ^^^^^^^                        ^^^^^^^
| and f is the Lorentz force density.
                             ^^^^^^^

And in general relativity:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor>
| 
| The *stress–energy tensor*, sometimes called the *stress–energy–momentum*
| *tensor* or the *energy–momentum tensor*, is a tensor physical quantity
| that describes the density and flux of energy and momentum in spacetime,
                     ^^^^^^^
| generalizing the stress tensor of Newtonian physics. 
| 
| […]
| 
| The components of the stress-energy tensor
| -------------------------------------------
| 
| Because the stress–energy tensor is of order 2, its components can be
| displayed in 4 × 4 matrix form:
| 
| […]
| 
| In the following, k and ℓ range from 1 through 3:
| 
| a. The time–time component is the density of relativistic mass, i.e., the
|    energy density divided by the speed of light squared, while being in
            ^^^^^^^
|    the co-moving frame of reference.[2] It has a direct physical
|    interpretation. In the case of a perfect fluid this component is
| 
|      T⁰⁰ = ρ,
| 
|    where ρ is the relativistic mass per unit volume,

– which is nothing else but the mass density, so precisely what I said –

|    and for an electromagnetic field in otherwise empty space this
|    component is
| 
|    […]
| 
|    where E and B are the electric and magnetic fields, respectively.[3]
| 
| b. The flux of relativistic mass across the x^k surface is equivalent to
|    the density of the kth component of linear momentum,
         ^^^^^^^
|    […]


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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#866400

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-17 21:51 +0000
Message-ID<tnldl6$3n8pb$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866398
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>>>>> E̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶ h̶a̶s̶ i̶t̶s̶ d̶e̶n̶s̶i̶t̶y̶.
>>>> that's a flux or intensity, not density.
>>> 
>>> There is an energy density, ρ_E ≔ dE/dV, too.  In fact, it is (in
>>> natural units) the time—time component of the
>>> e̶n̶e̶r̶g̶y̶–m̶o̶m̶e̶n̶t̶u̶m̶ t̶e̶n̶s̶o̶r̶ T_μν i̶n̶ t̶h̶e̶
>>> E̶i̶n̶s̶t̶e̶i̶n̶ F̶i̶e̶l̶d̶ E̶q̶u̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶f̶ g̶e̶n̶e̶r̶a̶l̶
>>> r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶t̶y̶.
> 
> W̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ p̶a̶r̶t̶ o̶f̶ “i̶n̶a̶p̶p̶r̶o̶p̶r̶i̶a̶t̶e̶” d̶i̶d̶ y̶o̶u̶ n̶o̶t̶ g̶e̶t̶?  B̶u̶t̶ I̶ s̶u̶s̶p̶e̶c̶t̶ y̶o̶u̶ a̶r̶e̶
> j̶u̶s̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ ‘n̶y̶m̶-s̶h̶i̶f̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶.
>  
>> has nothing to do with tensors, you inbreed cretin. Tensors are not
>> about densities.
> 
> You could not be more wrong. A̶l̶r̶e̶a̶d̶y̶ i̶n̶ s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶v̶i̶t̶y̶:	

tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot. Where are you 
coming from??

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Electromagnetic_stress%E2%80%93energy_tensor#Conservation_laws>
> | respectively describing the flux of electromagnetic energy 
density                                                          ^^^^^^^
> | and electromagnetic momentum density
                                ^^^^^^^
that's not about relativity, and it's about *flux* and momentum, 
*said_above* NOT "densities". You don't understand what you read. Much 
less tensors.

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#866403

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-17 23:10 +0100
Message-ID<4765119.GXAFRqVoOG@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866400
[It must give you a perverse pleasure to manually copypaste stroke-through 
Unicode letters or to do it automatically by some software.  What a 
character.]

The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as “Dario De filippis” (now via eternal-
september.org as apparently they were finally kicked out from aioe.org):

[Quotation fixed]

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> You could not be more wrong. Already in special relativity:
> 
> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.

They are.  You are just (willfully) ignorant about it.

> Where are you coming from??

The Electrodynamics lecture I heard this semester whose last section was 
titled “Relativistic Electrodynamics”.

But a ‘nym-shifting troll like you is not interested in facts, of course, 
let alone learning.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch?  
A: Fission chips.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866409

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-17 23:49 +0000
Message-ID<tnlkig$3phvp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866403
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> [I̶t̶ m̶u̶s̶t̶ g̶i̶v̶e̶ y̶o̶u̶ a̶ p̶e̶r̶v̶e̶r̶s̶e̶ p̶l̶e̶a̶s̶u̶r̶e̶ t̶o̶ m̶a̶n̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ c̶o̶p̶y̶p̶a̶s̶t̶e̶
> st̶r̶o̶k̶e̶-t̶h̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ U̶n̶i̶c̶o̶d̶e̶ l̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ o̶r̶ t̶o̶ d̶o̶ i̶t̶ a̶u̶t̶o̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ b̶y̶ s̶o̶m̶e̶
> s̶o̶f̶t̶w̶a̶r̶e̶.  W̶h̶a̶t̶ a̶ c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶.]
> 
> T̶h̶e̶ ‘n̶y̶m̶-s̶h̶i̶f̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶e̶d̶ a̶s̶ “D̶a̶r̶i̶o̶ D̶e̶ f̶i̶l̶i̶p̶p̶i̶s̶” (now via eternal-
> se̶p̶t̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶.o̶r̶g̶ a̶s̶ a̶p̶p̶a̶r̶e̶n̶t̶l̶y̶ t̶h̶e̶y̶ w̶e̶r̶e̶ f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ k̶i̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ f̶r̶o̶m̶ a̶i̶o̶e̶.o̶r̶g̶):

I only press a button on your ineptness, you uneducated german troll. You 
are stupid like fuck.

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#866417

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2022-12-17 17:45 -0800
Message-ID<aeebbe5a-62b5-40f7-b1a1-2f0e66e01c31n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#866409

What is light? if not energy?
What is energy?

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#866425

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-18 03:02 +0000
Message-ID<tnlvr8$3t03a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866403
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> The ‘n̶y̶m̶-s̶h̶i̶f̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶e̶d̶ as “Dario De filippis” (now via e̶t̶e̶r̶n̶a̶l̶-
> s̶e̶p̶t̶e̶m̶b̶e̶r̶.o̶r̶g̶ as apparently they were f̶i̶n̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ k̶i̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ o̶u̶t̶ f̶r̶o̶m̶ a̶i̶o̶e̶.o̶r̶g̶):

wasn't you the repulsive retard complaining making aioe.org blocking 
sci.physics.relativity for everybody, you putrid uneducated sociopath 
idiot. Go take yourself a proper education, you stupid bag of rocks.

saying special relativity is about tensors, just expose the retard inbreed 
imbecile you are. The most in that shithole of a country seems to be 
extreme crank stupid. Read here, they don't even know why.

Protests in Munich against inflation, rising prices and the economic 
policies of the Scholz government
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/Hf1YhwnO4SlR

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#866404

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-17 23:19 +0100
Message-ID<1838133.tdWV9SEqCh@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866400
The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":

> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot. 

Proper English would be “are not contained _in_ special relativity” (but it 
would still be factually false).

Your missing command of grammatical English and your insults are two of the 
distinct features of your postings by which you are easily recognized, no 
matter which pseudonym you choose and which server you are abusing for your 
trolling.

You should work on disguising yourself a little bit better; but of course 
that would mean that you have to change your personality, and modus 
operandi, and I find it unlikely that you are capable of that.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?  
A: To a prism.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866408

FromDario De filippis <ioss@delloidl.id>
Date2022-12-17 23:43 +0000
Message-ID<tnlk66$3pguc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866404
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":
> 
>> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.
> 
> P̶r̶o̶p̶e̶r̶ E̶n̶g̶l̶i̶s̶h̶ w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ b̶e̶ “are not contained _in_ special relativity” (but
> i̶t̶ w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ b̶e̶ f̶a̶c̶t̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ f̶a̶l̶s̶e̶).

it's *by* as in "special relativity described *by* tensors" (which is 
NOT), you deplorable imbecile. Attacking the "syntax" when you already is 
proved imbecile at many levels. Clearly the "tools" used by uneducated 
trolls.

special relativity is not described by any tensor, you fucking cretin.

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#866458

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-18 19:37 +0100
Message-ID<2004996.oMNUckLgyt@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866408
The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of 
English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as 
"Dario De filippis":

[Quotation fixed]

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":
>>> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.
>> 
>> Proper English would b̶e̶ “are not contained _in_
>> special relativity” (but i̶t̶ would still be
>> factually false).
> 
> it's *by* as in "special relativity described *by* tensors" 

“contained in”, “contained by”, and “described by” are all correct as such, 
but they mean different things and so are only proper English when used in 
the proper context.

The first one means that something acts as a container for something such 
that it is not distributed in the environment.  For example, a gas can be 
contained by a closed box (to prevent it from getting out).  It can also 
mean to prevent something from proceeding.

It does not make any sense to say that special relativity acts (or
does not act) as a container for tensors.  A theory is not a physical (in 
the sense of ”tangible”) object; neither are tensors.

“described by”: If A describes B, then B is described by A.  That is a 
completely different thing than “contained in” or “contained by”.

“contained in” says that something is part of the content of something else.  
For example, the gas above is also contained *in* the box, but with ”by” the 
emphasis of the statement is on the vessel rather than the content.  For 
example, it maybe contained by cardboard, not by a glass sheets.

Tensors are part of the content of special relativity; they are contained 
_in_ special relativity:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Lorentz_transformation>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Minkowski_tensor>

> [insults]

Get well soon!


PointedEars
-- 
Two neutrinos go through a bar ...

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866459

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-18 19:37 +0100
Message-ID<2674832.mvXUDI8C0e@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866408
The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of 
English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as 
"Dario De filippis":

[Quotation fixed]

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":
>>> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.
>> 
>> Proper English would b̶e̶ “are not contained _in_
>> special relativity” (but it would still be
>> factually false).
> 
> it's *by* as in "special relativity described *by* tensors" 

“contained in”, “contained by”, and “described by” are all correct as such, 
but they mean different things and so are only proper English when used in 
the proper context.

The first one means that something acts as a container for something such 
that it is not distributed in the environment.  For example, a gas can be 
contained by a closed box (to prevent it from getting out).  It can also 
mean to prevent something from proceeding.

It does not make any sense to say that special relativity acts (or
does not act) as a container for tensors.  A theory is not a physical (in 
the sense of ”tangible”) object; neither are tensors.

“described by”: If A describes B, then B is described by A.  That is a 
completely different thing than “contained in” or “contained by”.

“contained in” says that something is part of the content of something else.  
For example, the gas above is also contained *in* the box, but with ”by” the 
emphasis of the statement is on the vessel rather than the content.  For 
example, it maybe contained by cardboard, not by a glass sheets.

Tensors are part of the content of special relativity; they are contained 
_in_ special relativity:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Lorentz_transformation>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Minkowski_tensor>

> [insults]

Get well soon!


PointedEars
-- 
Two neutrinos go through a bar ...

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866460

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-18 19:39 +0100
Message-ID<12129129.O9o76ZdvQC@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866408
The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of 
English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as 
"Dario De filippis":

[Quotation fixed]

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The ‘nym-shifting troll trolled as "Dario De filippis":
>>> tensors are NOT contained by special relativity, idiot.
>> 
>> Proper English would b̶e̶ “are not contained _in_
>> special relativity” (but it would still be
>> factually false).
> 
> it's *by* as in "special relativity described *by* tensors" 

“contained in”, “contained by”, and “described by” are all correct as such, 
but they mean different things and so are only proper English when used in 
the proper context.

The first one means that something acts as a container for something such 
that it is not distributed in the environment.  For example, a gas can be 
contained by a closed box (to prevent it from getting out).  It can also 
mean to prevent something from proceeding.

It does not make any sense to say that special relativity acts (or
does not act) as a container for tensors.  A theory is not a physical (in 
the sense of ”tangible”) object; neither are tensors.

“described by”: If A describes B, then B is described by A.  That is a 
completely different thing than “contained in” or “contained by”.

“contained in” says that something is part of the content of something else.  
For example, the gas above is also contained *in* the box, but with ”by” the 
emphasis of the statement is on the vessel rather than the content.  For 
example, it may be contained by cardboard, not by glass sheets.

Tensors are part of the content of special relativity; they are contained 
_in_ special relativity:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Lorentz_transformation>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-vector#Minkowski_tensor>

> [insults]

Get well soon!


PointedEars
-- 
Two neutrinos go through a bar ...

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866462

FromVitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi>
Date2022-12-18 19:36 +0000
Message-ID<tnnq39$1ga7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866460
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of
> English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as
> "Dario De filippis":
> 
> [Quotation fixed]
> 
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a 
shithole.

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#866468

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-12-18 21:12 +0100
Message-ID<4806712.31r3eYUQgx@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#866462
The ’nym-shifting troll trolled as "Vitaliy Bazzoli":

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of
>> English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as
>> "Dario De filippis":
>> 
>> [Quotation fixed]
>> 
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
> stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a
> shithole.

Some day you might realize how stupidly you behaved, and the opportunities 
that you missed because of it.

*PLONK*


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy?  
A: They get Bohr'ed.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#866471

FromVitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi>
Date2022-12-18 20:58 +0000
Message-ID<tnnutg$1ig3$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866468
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> T̶h̶e̶ ’n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝m̷̶̢͈̣̠̃̔̓́͛͒͂̽-s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽ à̶̶̜̲̈́͂̓̎͗̽s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕ "V̶i̶t̶a̶l̶i̶y̶ B̶a̶zzo̶l̶i̶":
> 
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> T̶h̶e̶ ‘n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝m̷̶̢͈̣̠̃̔̓́͛͒͂̽-s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾, g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝r̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝ ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝m̷̶̢͈̣̠̃̔̓́͛͒͂̽ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝à̶̶̜̲̈́͂̓̎͗̽t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅe̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅh̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕r̶ u̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ i̶g̶n̶o̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶
>>> o̶f̶ E̶n̶g̶l̶i̶s̶h̶ g̶r̶a̶m̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶s̶, a̶n̶d̶ p̶h̶y̶s̶i̶c̶s̶, b̶y̶ b̶l̶a̶b̶b̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶
>>> n̶o̶n̶s̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ a̶s̶ "D̶a̶r̶i̶o̶ D̶e̶ f̶i̶l̶i̶p̶p̶i̶s̶":
>>> 
>>> [Quotation fixed]
>>> 
>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> 
>> stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a
>> shithole.
> 
> S̶o̶m̶e̶ d̶a̶y̶ y̶o̶u̶ m̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ r̶e̶a̶l̶i̶ze̶ h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕ẉ̸̶̣̘͙̍̕ s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅu̸̶̲͓̫̙̘͉̾̈̎̇̃̽̍̃͝͝p̷̶̛̻̺̝͂̓̎́̕͝i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝ y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕u̸̶̲͓̫̙̘͉̾̈̎̇̃̽̍̃͝͝ ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕à̶̶̜̲̈́͂̓̎͗̽v̶̶͙͗͒̿̌̆̐͝e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽, a̶n̶d̶ t̶h̶e̶
> o̶p̶p̶o̶r̶t̶u̶n̶i̶t̶i̶e̶s̶ t̶h̶a̶t̶ y̶o̶u̶ m̶i̶s̶s̶e̶d̶ b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ o̶f̶ i̶t̶.

"opportunities" from a shithole of a country, populated by self-declared 
idiots. You disgusting indolent and still impertinent piece of shit. They 
are killing your own energy pipelines with big bombs, you fucking cretin.

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#866475

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-12-18 15:58 -0600
Message-ID<k09gp2FmnagU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#866462
On 12/18/2022 1:36 PM, Vitaliy Bazzoli wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
>> The ‘nym-shifting, gibbering troll demonstrated their utter ignorance of
>> English grammatics, and physics, by blabbering the following nonsense as
>> "Dario De filippis":
>>
>> [Quotation fixed]
>>
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
> stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a
> shithole.

And you's is 1000 times worse. Where does that leave you?

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#866464

FromVitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi>
Date2022-12-18 19:51 +0000
Message-ID<tnnr0e$1ig3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#866460
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> T̶h̶e̶ ‘n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝m̷̶̢͈̣̠̃̔̓́͛͒͂̽-s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾, g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝r̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝ d̶e̶m̶o̶n̶s̶t̶r̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ u̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ i̶g̶n̶o̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ o̶f̶
> E̶n̶g̶l̶i̶s̶h̶ g̶r̶a̶m̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶s̶, a̶n̶d̶ p̶h̶y̶s̶i̶c̶s̶, b̶y̶ b̶l̶a̶b̶b̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ n̶o̶n̶s̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ a̶s̶
> "D̶a̶r̶i̶o̶ D̶e̶ f̶i̶l̶i̶p̶p̶i̶s̶":
> 
> [Q̶̶͕̳̗̦͆̋͐̓͊̇̓̊͝u̸̶̲͓̫̙̘͉̾̈̎̇̃̽̍̃͝͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅà̶̶̜̲̈́͂̓̎͗̽t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜ f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕x̴̶̩̊̈e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽]
> 

stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a
shithole. Your heads of state are wanker, stupid like hell imbeciles.

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#866476

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-12-18 16:00 -0600
Message-ID<k09grtFmnagU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#866464
On 12/18/2022 1:51 PM, Vitaliy Bazzoli wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
>> T̶h̶e̶ ‘n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜y̷̶̢̛̪͈͒̆͝m̷̶̢͈̣̠̃̔̓́͛͒͂̽-s̸̶̗͙̤͍̩̤͍͍̝̖̃̐̽̌̕h̷̶͓̗̜͚̤̣͉̦̐̈͊͗͒̓͋̑͆̕i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾, g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓ḇ̷̶̛̠͂̾̄̓e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝r̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜g̶̶͎̲̲͎͍͈̱͔̭̾ t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅr̸̶̡̹͚̣͔͍̮̩͌͐͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝l̷̶̡̧̢̙͈͍͈͈̉̄͋̔̉̆͝ d̶e̶m̶o̶n̶s̶t̶r̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ u̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ i̶g̶n̶o̶r̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ o̶f̶
>> E̶n̶g̶l̶i̶s̶h̶ g̶r̶a̶m̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶s̶, a̶n̶d̶ p̶h̶y̶s̶i̶c̶s̶, b̶y̶ b̶l̶a̶b̶b̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ t̶h̶e̶ f̶o̶l̶l̶o̶w̶i̶n̶g̶ n̶o̶n̶s̶e̶n̶s̶e̶ a̶s̶
>> "D̶a̶r̶i̶o̶ D̶e̶ f̶i̶l̶i̶p̶p̶i̶s̶":
>>
>> [Q̶̶͕̳̗̦͆̋͐̓͊̇̓̊͝u̸̶̲͓̫̙̘͉̾̈̎̇̃̽̍̃͝͝ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅà̶̶̜̲̈́͂̓̎͗̽t̵̶̨̺̺̬̝̝̠̣̔͌̍̔̃͗́̚ͅi̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕ỏ̵̶̝̫̹̱̲̻̗͉̓͒͘̕n̸̶̢͙̯͓̝͔̣͈̓̄̆̀̓̈̾̕͜ f̴̶̡̱̣͇̙̹͆́́͘͝͠i̶̶̢͑̄̈́̾̾̅̕x̴̶̩̊̈e̵̶̢͕͕̯̱̥͔̎̋̂̎͐̅͐̂͝ḑ̶̶̙͇̰̗̦̠̽]
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> 
> stop eating shit top-posting, you retarded imbecile. Your country is a
> shithole. Your heads of state are wanker, stupid like hell imbeciles.

You're jealous of what he is eating? Thanks for letting us know.

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