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  The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 00:43 -0700
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-04 06:42 -0500
      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:51 +0000
        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:06 +0200
          Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 07:25 +0000
            Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 18:29 +0000
            Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 19:54 +0000
      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:21 +0000
        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 19:31 +0000
        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:18 +0200
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-04 11:07 -0700
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-04 13:51 -0500
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-04 14:32 -0700
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-04 22:59 -0700
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 09:53 +0200
      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-11 20:17 +0000
        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-15 11:50 -0700
          Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:22 +0200
            Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-16 11:39 -0700
              Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:06 +0200
                Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 14:17 -0700
                  Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:44 +0200
                    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-18 10:29 -0400
                    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 08:32 -0700
                      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-18 12:48 -0500
                      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 21:02 -0700
                        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-23 00:35 -0400
                        Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-23 06:03 -0700
                          Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-29 11:40 -0700
                            Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-29 12:12 -0700
                    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 18:58 +0000
                    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 11:20 -0700
                      Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-29 14:22 -0500
                        Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the   Universe) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-30 07:53 +0100
                          Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 19:28 +0000
                          Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of   the Universe) Reiner Abbatelli <enre@lbeiet.re> - 2022-11-01 15:53 +0000
                        Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the  Universe) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-29 23:20 -0700
                          Re: Another armchair "expert" (was Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:50 -0500
      Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 18:34 -0700
    Re: The Earth is at the Center of the Universe Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-17 15:09 -0500

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#862552 — The Earth is at the Center of the Universe

The Earth is at the Center of the Universe

and if you want proof...

just do an experiment on it.


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862556

On 10/4/2022 2:43 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Earth is at the Center of the Universe
> 
> and if you want proof...
> 
> just do an experiment on it.

Can't disprove is not the same as proof. Grammar school
(lower grades in fact) logic. Congratulations, you've
achieved the peak of your career.

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#862720

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> >> But didn’t you say you also have brain damage
>> > Albert Einstein was diagnosed with...brain damage..
>> Who diagnosed him?
> 
> Everything to itself appears to be at the universes center.

not really. Mother Russia is in the center of the universe. The rest are 
just details.

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#863400

Am 08.10.2022 um 05:51 schrieb Urbano Stilo:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>> But didn’t you say you also have brain damage
>>>> Albert Einstein was diagnosed with...brain damage..
>>> Who diagnosed him?
>>
>> Everything to itself appears to be at the universes center.
>
> not really. Mother Russia is in the center of the universe. The rest are
> just details.
>

The center of the universe is EVERYWHERE.

This is a certain principle, which I call 'subjectivism'. I assume, this 
principle is also applicable to the universe in total.

It is a fractal pattern, where the universe folds back into itself.

Seen from every possible perspective, you would see similar patterns and 
also the remains of a 'big-bang'.

This 'big-bang' is connected to every possible point by the local past 
of that point.

Since every single point has a different past, these 'big-bangs' are all 
different.

Also different is the direction of (local) time.

Time is in the universe not a universal parameter, but a local 
parameter. To any such point belongs therefore also a local past and a 
local timeline.

Seen from an perspective the universe looks universal, while it is 
actually the local past light cone.


TH

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#863401

Thomas Heger wrote:

> Time is in the universe not a universal parameter, but a local
> parameter.
> To any such point belongs therefore also a local past and a local
> timeline.
> 
> Seen from an perspective the universe looks universal, while it is
> actually the local past light cone.

I'm not so sure

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#863425

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> 
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> 
> <snip binary garbage>
> Must be the new guy at the Nymshifter Troll office in St. Petersburg. It

you are incapable to decode, fucking bitch, but you are history in europe 
you stole from in decades and centuries. The chinese are just waiting 
occupy the shithole territory you stole from the indigenous. And now, that 
you know where you welfare and prosperity came, Russia and Chine, you 
either show respect or are going to suck their dicks. Absolutely. I fuck 
you ass, bitch!

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#863426

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEVbLy8W
>> GRqFblDguJ7h4+L08Tj7fGNlZVIjw2iAAACVklEQVQ4jVWUTW7bMBCFh2wBbcm0QLbMyK32
>> ohNui5i1DxBLB2glZuvSbnj9vqFlJR1YMDAfn4bzJxrSFPcppZ1z3J0jbJ/
> 
> <snip binary garbage>
> Must be the new guy at the Nymshifter Troll office in St. Petersburg. It

take it from an american, you stupid, lying subhuman excrement. You are 
illegally supporting the nazis, you stinking son of a bitch.

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#862744

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> > > Holy crap, Mitch finally utters a truth!
> 
> And everything is moving having that center appearance because there is
> no absolute rest frame...
> 
> 
>> > The stopped clock demonstrated again.
> 
> Time can't be stopped... and it is in space...
> Space contraction isn't real.

yes it does. Hitting the singularity of a blackhole, time stops.

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#862747

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> > Time can't be stopped... and it is in space...
>> > Space contraction isn't real.
>> yes it does. Hitting the singularity of a blackhole, time stops.
> 
> I thought time ended at the event horizon?
> No. Black holes have been proven to not exist in Gamma math.
> The world just wants to pretend about that.

don't be foolish, a bird in your hand is worth more than a bird on a house.

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#863472

Am 08.10.2022 um 21:21 schrieb Michel Marconi:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>> Holy crap, Mitch finally utters a truth!
>>
>> And everything is moving having that center appearance because there is
>> no absolute rest frame...
>>
>>
>>>> The stopped clock demonstrated again.
>>
>> Time can't be stopped... and it is in space...
>> Space contraction isn't real.
>
> yes it does. Hitting the singularity of a blackhole, time stops.
>
Not quite..

You should think about time as having an axis, which always points 
somewhere.

The local time 'drags' you with it into the future.

Now imagine you could tilt this axis from imaginary to 'sideways'.

This time would still drag you away, but into a different realm, where 
the former space gets imaginary and a new universe emerges, which could 
not be seen before.

Seen from there everythings is just a usual universe, besides of the 
fact, that our solar system and our entire galaxy have vanished.


TH

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#862569

patdolan wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 12:43:35 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Earth is at the Center of the Universe
> >
> > and if you want proof...
> >
> > just do an experiment on it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> I recall some cosmology that found expanding "shells" of galaxies that were centered on the earth.   Quantized redshift was the emperical giveaway.
> 
> https://creation.com/our-galaxy-is-the-centre-of-the-universe-quantized-redshifts-show


The expanding shells of galaxies are like an ocean when the Earth was
thrown in the pond. The Earth gave life to all the galaxies in the
universe.


just do an experiment on it...

fill up your bathtub with water..
and throw stone in the center
of the tub...


watch expanding "shells" of galaxies.


dats why
she sells
sea shells
on the 
sea shore.


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#862570

On 10/4/2022 2:43 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Earth is at the Center of the Universe
> 
> and if you want proof...
> 
> just do an experiment on it.
> 
> 

your experimenting with your bong again, the center of your universe.

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#862577

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 12:43:38 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Earth is at the Center of the Universe 
> 
> and if you want proof... 
> 
> just do an experiment on it. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

Put the bong down...

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#862593

On Tuesday, 4 October 2022 at 18:43:38 UTC+11, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Earth is at the Center of the Universe 

As the universe is infinite, all points including all points on and in Earth, are at the centre of the Universe.

> 
> and if you want proof... 
> 
> just do an experiment on it. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

Yep.

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#862824

Am 04.10.2022 um 09:43 schrieb The Starmaker:
> The Earth is at the Center of the Universe


The real universe has no center.

What we call 'universe' is actually not universal, neither.


What we call 'universe' is actually our own past light cone.

Of that 'universe' Earth is, of course, the center.


TH

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#862897

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> This is so universally and any spot in the universe is the center of
>> the universe. TH
> 
> It only appears that way to every frame. That is why there is none in
> the universe.

there is. Right after you open your fucking eyes. That's a 
*reference_frame*, and one of the reasons, you've been born on this fucking 
capitalist nazi planet. Watch this

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and these khazars immigrants wankers of americaca.

At this point what difference does it make. Starring Killary & Commie
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/IkIDDSYUjYTx/

and these nazis, *the_wanker_putina* released 215, in exchange for 50 
soldiers from the cocaine khazar zelenske. I don't know, the mathematics is 
hard with putina. *He_releases_the_nazis*.

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#863067

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
wrote:

>Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker:
>
>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky.
>>>
>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not
>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past.
>>>
>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago.
>>>
>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of
>>> it are not.
>>>
>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the
>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible.
>>>
>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which
>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate?
>>
>
>Well, possibly...
>
>But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing.
>
>
>TH


A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This
religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it
cosmic hobby, you worship the stars.

'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'.

No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One,
'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still
a religion.

I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the
collection plate.

i take bitcoins.



Science is just a religion.

Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of
the religion.

Billion and billions of earth-like planets? Show me a picture of
just...one.


 I'll pass around the collection plate.

i take PayPal.









--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#863095

Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>
>>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky.
>>>>
>>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not
>>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past.
>>>>
>>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago.
>>>>
>>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of
>>>> it are not.
>>>>
>>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the
>>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible.
>>>>
>>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which
>>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate?
>>>
>>
>> Well, possibly...
>>
>> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing.
>>
>>
>> TH
>
>
> A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This
> religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it
> cosmic hobby, you worship the stars.
>
> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'.
>
> No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One,
> 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still
> a religion.
>
> I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the
> collection plate.
>
> i take bitcoins.
>
>
>
> Science is just a religion.


Not really.

I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion.

Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing 
anything.

It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be 
most obvious.

If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a 
scientific mess.

In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers 
of different religions and of different nations.

This turns science into something international and belonging to all 
believe systems in existence.


> Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of
> the religion.

Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV' 
flying saucers is actually true.

The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a 
battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won.

(but that is just a guess)


TH

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#863116

Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker:
> >>
> >>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky.
> >>>>
> >>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not
> >>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past.
> >>>>
> >>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of
> >>>> it are not.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the
> >>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible.
> >>>>
> >>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which
> >>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time.
> >>>>
> >>>> TH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well, possibly...
> >>
> >> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing.
> >>
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> >
> > A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This
> > religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it
> > cosmic hobby, you worship the stars.
> >
> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'.
> >
> > No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One,
> > 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still
> > a religion.
> >
> > I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the
> > collection plate.
> >
> > i take bitcoins.
> >
> >
> >
> > Science is just a religion.
> 
> Not really.
> 
> I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion.
> 
> Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing
> anything.
> 
> It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be
> most obvious.
> 
> If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a
> scientific mess.
> 
> In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers
> of different religions and of different nations.
> 
> This turns science into something international and belonging to all
> believe systems in existence.
> 
> > Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of
> > the religion.
> 
> Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV'
> flying saucers is actually true.
> 
> The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a
> battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won.
> 
> (but that is just a guess)
> 
> TH


https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers

fly·ing sau·cer

noun
a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO.


I'm talking about aliens from outer space, not from Mexico.



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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
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Am 16.10.2022 um 20:39 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am 15.10.2022 um 20:50 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:17:26 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 14.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>>>
>>>>>> What we call 'universe' is actually, what we see in the night sky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But because 'to see' requires light and that time to travel, we do not
>>>>>> see the universe as it is, but receive a certain picture from our past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This picture is 'stacked in time', because further away is also longer ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the 'real universe' might eventually be timeless, but our visions of
>>>>>> it are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is actually a little tricky to remove the influence of time in the
>>>>>> pictures we receive from the past and it is in most cases also impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But we could assume a universe out there, that we cannot see, but which
>>>>>> could eventually have such properties as a universal time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't this where you need to start passing around the collection plate?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, possibly...
>>>>
>>>> But usually - as a hobbyist- I expect nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>>
>>> A 'hobby'???? I didn't know religion was considered a hobby. This
>>> religion of yours known as 'cosmic religion' ...or should i call it
>>> cosmic hobby, you worship the stars.
>>>
>>> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth'.
>>>
>>> No matter what name you have for God, Jesus, the old One,
>>> 'Nothingness'...a universe from Nothing/God, ...it's still
>>> a religion.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you what, you preach the stars, and I'll pass around the
>>> collection plate.
>>>
>>> i take bitcoins.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Science is just a religion.
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>> I regard physics as a hobby, but not as a religion.
>>
>> Religion is based on believe, while science is based on not believing
>> anything.
>>
>> It is actually essential, to question everything, even what seems to be
>> most obvious.
>>
>> If you would not do that, or worse forbade scrutiny, you end up with a
>> scientific mess.
>>
>> In science we also have cooperation around the globe, between believers
>> of different religions and of different nations.
>>
>> This turns science into something international and belonging to all
>> believe systems in existence.
>>
>>> Do you believe in flying saucers? It's okay if you do, it's part of
>>> the religion.
>>
>> Well, yes, I think, the theory, that the Nazis have built 'Haunebu IV'
>> flying saucers is actually true.
>>
>> The Nazis have flown them to 'New Swabia' in the Antarctic and faught a
>> battle with the US-Navi there, which they had won.
>>
>> (but that is just a guess)
>>
>> TH
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=define+flying+saucers
>
> fly·ing sau·cer
>
> noun
> a disk-shaped flying craft supposedly piloted by aliens; a UFO.
>
>
> I'm talking about aliens from outer space, not from Mexico.
>
>
No. You were talking about 'flying saucers'.

Such disk shaped spacecrafts were allegedly invented in Nazi Germany 
under the name 'Haunebu' (some Wiking word).

These spacecraft designers were shipped to the USA after the war in 
'project paperclip' and have build flying saucers there.

This story does not necessarily require aliens from outer space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7OiKUPn3k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9chz8COYVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aga-fA6iUm4

TH

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