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  Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-14 19:43 -0700
    Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-14 23:15 -0500
      Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 08:00 -0400
        Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 08:01 -0600
          Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 10:11 -0400
            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 20:48 -0600
              Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-16 11:10 -0400
                Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-16 21:01 -0600
                  Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-17 07:44 -0400
                    Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 08:16 -0600
                      Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-17 10:29 -0400
                        Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-17 10:06 -0500
                          Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-17 10:58 -0500
                            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 20:52 -0600
                              Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 20:44 -0500
                                Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 20:46 -0600
                                  Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 22:03 -0500
                          Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 21:05 -0600
                            Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-18 04:56 -0500
                              Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 13:08 -0600
                        Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-17 20:51 -0600
                          Re: I Am Under 18! RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-18 11:18 -0400
                            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-18 13:29 -0600
          Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 10:04 -0500
            Re: I Am Under 18! Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-09-15 08:46 -0700
            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:00 -0600
              Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 01:41 -0500
                Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 03:20 -0500
                  Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 14:50 -0500
                    Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-19 18:45 -0600
                      Re: I Am Under 18! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-19 21:53 -0400
                        Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 22:23 -0500
                          Re: I Am Under 18! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-20 00:41 -0400
                            Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 10:44 -0500
                      Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 21:56 -0500
                        Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-19 22:26 -0600
                          Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-20 11:07 -0500
                            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-20 21:11 -0600
                              Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-21 15:19 -0500
                            Re: I Am Under 18! Clutter Freak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 13:46 -0700
        Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 10:38 -0500
        Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-17 01:03 +0200
      Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-15 10:20 -0500
        Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-15 12:06 -0500
          Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:11 -0600
        Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-15 21:05 -0600
          Re: I Am Under 18! whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-09-15 22:34 -0500
          Re: I Am Under 18! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-16 08:01 -0500
            Re: I Am Under 18! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-16 08:03 -0600
      Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-17 01:00 +0200
        Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-16 19:20 -0500
          I'm not Tyrone Biggums. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-16 20:26 -0700
          Re: I Am Under 18! Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-09-18 03:49 +0200
            Re: I Am Under 18! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-18 22:36 -0500
    Re: Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-15 07:54 -0400
    Spamming shithead Relf in sci.physics Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2021-09-19 20:14 -0700
    Re: Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone. Ayaz Siddiqi <ayaz.s.siddiqi@gmail.com> - 2021-10-22 23:53 -0700

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#832399 — Amazon Fresh is as dry as a bone.

To lower my sugar/chocolate consumption, I now eat:

-- Cheese sticks.

-- Hummus, guacamole, tomatoes, bananas, potato salad

-- Soft-Baked Oatmeal Squares ( Nature Valley )

-- " GoGo squeeZ ( Fruit on the Go ) ".

I buy gallon bottles of water, mostly "Alkaline 88"
because the cheaper brands are sold out on Amazon Fresh,
each and every month !

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#832401 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 9/14/2021 9:43 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> To lower my sugar/chocolate consumption


You never reached 18. Only babies and teenagers under 18 don’t drink coffee.

In my high school teaching times the rule was we forbade students from 
drinking coffee. Coke was accepted. Coffee was considered drugs for them.

If Caffeine is not good for you, you’re still under 18. No wonder that 
19 year old woman could grab and handle 5 fat asses (yours and four more 
like yours) with one hand.

-- 
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#832422 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 2021-09-15 12:15 a.m., Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 9:43 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>> To lower my sugar/chocolate consumption
> 
> 
> You never reached 18. Only babies and teenagers under 18 don’t drink 
> coffee.
> 
> In my high school teaching times the rule was we forbade students from 
> drinking coffee. Coke was accepted. Coffee was considered drugs for them.
> 
> If Caffeine is not good for you, you’re still under 18. No wonder that 
> 19 year old woman could grab and handle 5 fat asses (yours and four more 
> like yours) with one hand.

My parents gave me coffee for breakfast for as long as I can remember. I 
would imagine that my first morning cup was at the age of 4 or 5. It was 
and still isn't a big deal and it's not like we got addicted or 
anything. If anything, it gave me an advantage in class.


-- 
@RabidHussar

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#832423 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/15/2021 06:00 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
> On 2021-09-15 12:15 a.m., Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 9/14/2021 9:43 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> To lower my sugar/chocolate consumption
>>
>>
>> You never reached 18. Only babies and teenagers under 18 don’t drink
>> coffee.
>>
>> In my high school teaching times the rule was we forbade students from
>> drinking coffee. Coke was accepted. Coffee was considered drugs for them.
>>
>> If Caffeine is not good for you, you’re still under 18. No wonder that
>> 19 year old woman could grab and handle 5 fat asses (yours and four
>> more like yours) with one hand.
>
> My parents gave me coffee for breakfast for as long as I can remember. I
> would imagine that my first morning cup was at the age of 4 or 5. It was
> and still isn't a big deal and it's not like we got addicted or
> anything. If anything, it gave me an advantage in class.
>
>

I was a fat kid and part of my mother's diet plan was giving me coffee 
instead of milk. My father took his black so I did likewise. It was A&P 
Bokar prepared in a percolator. The Eight O'Clock and Red Circle brands 
were a little cheaper but we never scrimped on the coffee.

I think it was a Heinlein story where the protagonist explained he 
didn't drink or smoke anymore so all his satisfaction came from good coffee.

At work I make a pot from freshly ground beans every morning. We used to 
have a coffee club but the rest of the club hasn't been on the premises 
since March of 2020 so it's mine, all mine.

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#832424 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 2021-09-15 10:01 a.m., rbowman wrote:
> On 09/15/2021 06:00 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>> On 2021-09-15 12:15 a.m., Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> On 9/14/2021 9:43 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>>> To lower my sugar/chocolate consumption
>>>
>>>
>>> You never reached 18. Only babies and teenagers under 18 don’t drink
>>> coffee.
>>>
>>> In my high school teaching times the rule was we forbade students from
>>> drinking coffee. Coke was accepted. Coffee was considered drugs for 
>>> them.
>>>
>>> If Caffeine is not good for you, you’re still under 18. No wonder that
>>> 19 year old woman could grab and handle 5 fat asses (yours and four
>>> more like yours) with one hand.
>>
>> My parents gave me coffee for breakfast for as long as I can remember. I
>> would imagine that my first morning cup was at the age of 4 or 5. It was
>> and still isn't a big deal and it's not like we got addicted or
>> anything. If anything, it gave me an advantage in class.
>>
>>
> 
> I was a fat kid and part of my mother's diet plan was giving me coffee 
> instead of milk. My father took his black so I did likewise. It was A&P 
> Bokar prepared in a percolator. The Eight O'Clock and Red Circle brands 
> were a little cheaper but we never scrimped on the coffee.

I've never heard of those brands. We have just about everything here but 
most people are content with their Tim Horton's brand because it truly 
is perfect. What I had as a kid was the instant stuff which, admittedly, 
wasn't detestable.

> I think it was a Heinlein story where the protagonist explained he 
> didn't drink or smoke anymore so all his satisfaction came from good 
> coffee.
> 
> At work I make a pot from freshly ground beans every morning. We used to 
> have a coffee club but the rest of the club hasn't been on the premises 
> since March of 2020 so it's mine, all mine.

I'd bring a coffee machine and pods here at work but won't bother 
because teachers, especially the women, are selfish beasts who would act 
as though the machine is theirs and take your pods without compensating 
you in any way. I'd leave it at my desk but with all of the other crap I 
have there, there is truly no room. Besides, it might encourage people 
to talk to me and I don't want that.

-- 
@RabidHussar

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#832461 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/15/2021 08:11 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
> I've never heard of those brands. We have just about everything here but
> most people are content with their Tim Horton's brand because it truly
> is perfect. What I had as a kid was the instant stuff which, admittedly,
> wasn't detestable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26P

They were A&P house brands. My mother shopped at the A&P even though 
there were closer store. It was a Friday night operation. The Montgomery 
Ward regional store was down the road and we would often go there too.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Montgomery-Ward-s-colossal-former-home-in-Menands-16077733.php

There were plenty of attractions since they had farm stuff like saddles 
and bridles, chicks and ducklings in season, and the like in the farm 
building. Generally there was a guy doing Shopsmith demos on the second 
floor, and plenty of rifles and shotguns over in sporting goods when he 
took a break. My mother would wander off to ladies lingerie or wherever 
she went and we'd meet up later.

Monkey Wards was a catalog operation but being as that was the 
distribution warehouse you could phone in an order from the catalog and 
go down to pick it up in a couple of hours. Sometimes you got what you 
ordered, sometimes you got something better than you ordered.

Many of the catalog items were ranked good, better, and best. Unlike 
Walmart if you wanted to but the cheap stuff you knew what you were getting.

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#832513 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 2021-09-15 10:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On 09/15/2021 08:11 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>> I've never heard of those brands. We have just about everything here but
>> most people are content with their Tim Horton's brand because it truly
>> is perfect. What I had as a kid was the instant stuff which, admittedly,
>> wasn't detestable.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26P
> 
> They were A&P house brands. My mother shopped at the A&P even though 
> there were closer store. It was a Friday night operation. The Montgomery 
> Ward regional store was down the road and we would often go there too.
> 
> https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Montgomery-Ward-s-colossal-former-home-in-Menands-16077733.php 
> 
> 
> There were plenty of attractions since they had farm stuff like saddles 
> and bridles, chicks and ducklings in season, and the like in the farm 
> building. Generally there was a guy doing Shopsmith demos on the second 
> floor, and plenty of rifles and shotguns over in sporting goods when he 
> took a break. My mother would wander off to ladies lingerie or wherever 
> she went and we'd meet up later.
> 
> Monkey Wards was a catalog operation but being as that was the 
> distribution warehouse you could phone in an order from the catalog and 
> go down to pick it up in a couple of hours. Sometimes you got what you 
> ordered, sometimes you got something better than you ordered.
> 
> Many of the catalog items were ranked good, better, and best. Unlike 
> Walmart if you wanted to but the cheap stuff you knew what you were 
> getting.

I've cheaped out on coffee by buying Folgers and regretted it immensely. 
That is some of the worst coffee I've tasted since Kicking Horse which 
is by far the worst thing I've ever tasted pretending to be coffee.

-- 
@RabidHussar

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#832578 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/16/2021 09:10 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
> On 2021-09-15 10:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On 09/15/2021 08:11 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>>> I've never heard of those brands. We have just about everything here but
>>> most people are content with their Tim Horton's brand because it truly
>>> is perfect. What I had as a kid was the instant stuff which, admittedly,
>>> wasn't detestable.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26P
>>
>> They were A&P house brands. My mother shopped at the A&P even though
>> there were closer store. It was a Friday night operation. The
>> Montgomery Ward regional store was down the road and we would often go
>> there too.
>>
>> https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Montgomery-Ward-s-colossal-former-home-in-Menands-16077733.php
>>
>>
>> There were plenty of attractions since they had farm stuff like
>> saddles and bridles, chicks and ducklings in season, and the like in
>> the farm building. Generally there was a guy doing Shopsmith demos on
>> the second floor, and plenty of rifles and shotguns over in sporting
>> goods when he took a break. My mother would wander off to ladies
>> lingerie or wherever she went and we'd meet up later.
>>
>> Monkey Wards was a catalog operation but being as that was the
>> distribution warehouse you could phone in an order from the catalog
>> and go down to pick it up in a couple of hours. Sometimes you got what
>> you ordered, sometimes you got something better than you ordered.
>>
>> Many of the catalog items were ranked good, better, and best. Unlike
>> Walmart if you wanted to but the cheap stuff you knew what you were
>> getting.
>
> I've cheaped out on coffee by buying Folgers and regretted it immensely.
> That is some of the worst coffee I've tasted since Kicking Horse which
> is by far the worst thing I've ever tasted pretending to be coffee.
>

I haven't bought can coffee in years but I used to like, or at least 
tolerate, MJB or Chock Full O' Nuts.

I've only had Starbucks once when my brother took me to breakfast using 
a gift card he'd gotten. I lived.

What spoiled me was a load of Millstone that I carried. I picked up the 
beans at the Everett plant and delivered them to distributors throughout 
the Midwest. I'd drop a pallet or two and load displays, grinders, or 
other stuff going back to Everett. Just walking past the trailer was 
good for a buzz but all the distributors had a pot on and would keep my 
mug filled as they unloaded their stuff.

The trip back wasn't as good but it was memorable. Thanksgiving 1990 was 
when the floating bridge across Lake Washington sank. I was going up 405 
and didn't care but a lot of people coming back from their Thanksgiving 
were coming down the hill thinking 'What the hell do we do now?'

Like all good things, Millstone sold out to P&G and the Everett plant 
was shut down. I don't know if the brand is still around.  In 1990 there 
wasn't a roaster on every other block so it was a treat.

I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors 
confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow 
roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted coffee 
it isn't something you want to do in the house.

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#832590 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 2021-09-16 11:01 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On 09/16/2021 09:10 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>> On 2021-09-15 10:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On 09/15/2021 08:11 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>>>> I've never heard of those brands. We have just about everything here 
>>>> but
>>>> most people are content with their Tim Horton's brand because it truly
>>>> is perfect. What I had as a kid was the instant stuff which, 
>>>> admittedly,
>>>> wasn't detestable.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%26P
>>>
>>> They were A&P house brands. My mother shopped at the A&P even though
>>> there were closer store. It was a Friday night operation. The
>>> Montgomery Ward regional store was down the road and we would often go
>>> there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Montgomery-Ward-s-colossal-former-home-in-Menands-16077733.php 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There were plenty of attractions since they had farm stuff like
>>> saddles and bridles, chicks and ducklings in season, and the like in
>>> the farm building. Generally there was a guy doing Shopsmith demos on
>>> the second floor, and plenty of rifles and shotguns over in sporting
>>> goods when he took a break. My mother would wander off to ladies
>>> lingerie or wherever she went and we'd meet up later.
>>>
>>> Monkey Wards was a catalog operation but being as that was the
>>> distribution warehouse you could phone in an order from the catalog
>>> and go down to pick it up in a couple of hours. Sometimes you got what
>>> you ordered, sometimes you got something better than you ordered.
>>>
>>> Many of the catalog items were ranked good, better, and best. Unlike
>>> Walmart if you wanted to but the cheap stuff you knew what you were
>>> getting.
>>
>> I've cheaped out on coffee by buying Folgers and regretted it immensely.
>> That is some of the worst coffee I've tasted since Kicking Horse which
>> is by far the worst thing I've ever tasted pretending to be coffee.
>>
> 
> I haven't bought can coffee in years but I used to like, or at least 
> tolerate, MJB or Chock Full O' Nuts.
> 
> I've only had Starbucks once when my brother took me to breakfast using 
> a gift card he'd gotten. I lived.

That's about as good of a review as a Starbucks coffee can get.

> What spoiled me was a load of Millstone that I carried. I picked up the 
> beans at the Everett plant and delivered them to distributors throughout 
> the Midwest. I'd drop a pallet or two and load displays, grinders, or 
> other stuff going back to Everett. Just walking past the trailer was 
> good for a buzz but all the distributors had a pot on and would keep my 
> mug filled as they unloaded their stuff.
> 
> The trip back wasn't as good but it was memorable. Thanksgiving 1990 was 
> when the floating bridge across Lake Washington sank. I was going up 405 
> and didn't care but a lot of people coming back from their Thanksgiving 
> were coming down the hill thinking 'What the hell do we do now?'
> 
> Like all good things, Millstone sold out to P&G and the Everett plant 
> was shut down. I don't know if the brand is still around.  In 1990 there 
> wasn't a roaster on every other block so it was a treat.
> 
> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors 
> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow 
> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted coffee 
> it isn't something you want to do in the house.

I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you do so.


-- 
@RabidHussar

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#832592 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/17/2021 05:44 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>>
>> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors
>> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow
>> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted
>> coffee it isn't something you want to do in the house.
>
> I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you do so.
>
>

Not so much...  Remember your starting with green beans so for the few 
minutes it smells like your grilling compost. You're also driving out a 
lot of water. Finally you get to the stage where the beans start to 
crack and it starts to smell edible. There's a lot of chaff produced. If 
there is a slight breeze I separate it by pouring the beans from one 
colander to another and letting it drift downwind.

There are counter top roasters that are supposed to work but they're 
pricey.

https://www.sweetmarias.com/behmor-2000ab-plus-roaster.html

Supposedly that one isn't too smokey

https://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting/hottop-roaster-basic.html

but even that one says

"Yep, if you roast more coffee you are going to get more smoke. There's 
no way around it. You are going to need ventilation, ideally by using it 
under a kitchen vent hood or near an open window. "


If you look at the green beans selling for $7 a pound, don't forget all 
the steam, smoke, and chaff.  I never weighed it but a pound of green 
beans is not a pound of roasted coffee.

A friend set up a little sandwich operation for a bar where the kitchen 
was only open for the lunch crowd. Being cheap, he roasted his own beef 
-- once. After he did the before and after weighing he found the roast 
beef from a restaurant supply was a better deal. If you bought a 10 
pound roast, you would get 40 1/4 pound sandwiches.

The guy was a real entrepreneur. He opened a pizza place and I stopped 
by the night before it opened. He was sitting on the floor with a bottle 
of beer in his hand and many more had preceded that one. 'I made a pizza 
and it was so bad the dog wouldn't eat it. What am I going to do?'  His 
wife, who was an excellent cook, came to the rescue again.

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#832593 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 2021-09-17 10:16 a.m., rbowman wrote:
> On 09/17/2021 05:44 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>>>
>>> I've even roasted my own from Sweet Maria's green beans. The neighbors
>>> confirm their suspicions that I'm crazy when I stand out in the snow
>>> roasting coffee over a Coleman gas stove. If you've ever roasted
>>> coffee it isn't something you want to do in the house.
>>
>> I would agree with that but I imagine that it smells great if you do so.
>>
>>
> 
> Not so much...  Remember your starting with green beans so for the few 
> minutes it smells like your grilling compost. You're also driving out a 
> lot of water. Finally you get to the stage where the beans start to 
> crack and it starts to smell edible. There's a lot of chaff produced. If 
> there is a slight breeze I separate it by pouring the beans from one 
> colander to another and letting it drift downwind.
> 
> There are counter top roasters that are supposed to work but they're 
> pricey.
> 
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/behmor-2000ab-plus-roaster.html
> 
> Supposedly that one isn't too smokey
> 
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/roasting/hottop-roaster-basic.html
> 
> but even that one says
> 
> "Yep, if you roast more coffee you are going to get more smoke. There's 
> no way around it. You are going to need ventilation, ideally by using it 
> under a kitchen vent hood or near an open window. "
> 
> 
> If you look at the green beans selling for $7 a pound, don't forget all 
> the steam, smoke, and chaff.  I never weighed it but a pound of green 
> beans is not a pound of roasted coffee.

I guess that had I grown up in a Communist state like my parents did, 
I'd not only find it fun but less expensive to roast my own coffee. 
However, price-wise, the work is not worth the effort and I'm better off 
letting the professionals do it. It's quite amazing how autonomous 
Communists are when the only other option is starvation.

> A friend set up a little sandwich operation for a bar where the kitchen 
> was only open for the lunch crowd. Being cheap, he roasted his own beef 
> -- once. After he did the before and after weighing he found the roast 
> beef from a restaurant supply was a better deal. If you bought a 10 
> pound roast, you would get 40 1/4 pound sandwiches.
> 
> The guy was a real entrepreneur. He opened a pizza place and I stopped 
> by the night before it opened. He was sitting on the floor with a bottle 
> of beer in his hand and many more had preceded that one. 'I made a pizza 
> and it was so bad the dog wouldn't eat it. What am I going to do?'  His 
> wife, who was an excellent cook, came to the rescue again.

I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest 
thing to make. The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce 
and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the 
absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust 
whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying 
breading I've ever tasted.


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#832594 — Re: I Am Under 18!

RabidHussar wrote:

>I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest 
>thing to make. 

You say it yourself, below, "genius".  It's easy to screw-up the
crust.

>The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce 
>and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the 
>absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust 
>whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying 
>breading I've ever tasted.

I've about given-up on frozen pizza, because I can't get the crust
crispy  without burning the top.  I suppose I could try a pizza stone,
but I don't want to run the oven for an hour, either.

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#832597 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 9/17/2021 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
> It's easy to screw-up the
> crust.


Good flour is like olive oil. It doesn’t really exist in USA anymore. It 
is not a matter of paying more for the real thing. It just doesn’t exist.

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#832645 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/17/2021 09:58 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 9/17/2021 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> It's easy to screw-up the
>> crust.
>
>
> Good flour is like olive oil. It doesn’t really exist in USA anymore. It
> is not a matter of paying more for the real thing. It just doesn’t exist.
>

nothing in the US is good enough for you.

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#832692 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 9/17/2021 9:52 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 09/17/2021 09:58 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 9/17/2021 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> It's easy to screw-up the
>>> crust.
>>
>>
>> Good flour is like olive oil. It doesn’t really exist in USA anymore. It
>> is not a matter of paying more for the real thing. It just doesn’t exist.
>>
> 
> nothing in the US is good enough for you.


Perhaps you've been attributing it to having lost the senses to Covid, 
but when was the last time you sniffed olive oil and it smelled like 
olive oil? Or smelled like anything at all?

I haven't come across real olive oil since late 1990s :-(

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#832697 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/18/2021 07:44 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 9/17/2021 9:52 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 09/17/2021 09:58 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2021 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> It's easy to screw-up the
>>>> crust.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good flour is like olive oil. It doesn’t really exist in USA anymore. It
>>> is not a matter of paying more for the real thing. It just doesn’t
>>> exist.
>>>
>>
>> nothing in the US is good enough for you.
>
>
> Perhaps you've been attributing it to having lost the senses to Covid,
> but when was the last time you sniffed olive oil and it smelled like
> olive oil? Or smelled like anything at all?
>
> I haven't come across real olive oil since late 1990s :-(
>

This morning? It sure smelled like olive oil when I was heating it up in 
the frying pan.

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#832699 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 9/18/2021 9:46 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 09/18/2021 07:44 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 9/17/2021 9:52 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 09/17/2021 09:58 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>> On 9/17/2021 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>> It's easy to screw-up the
>>>>> crust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good flour is like olive oil. It doesn’t really exist in USA 
>>>> anymore. It
>>>> is not a matter of paying more for the real thing. It just doesn’t
>>>> exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> nothing in the US is good enough for you.
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you've been attributing it to having lost the senses to Covid,
>> but when was the last time you sniffed olive oil and it smelled like
>> olive oil? Or smelled like anything at all?
>>
>> I haven't come across real olive oil since late 1990s :-(
>>
> 
> This morning? It sure smelled like olive oil when I was heating it up in 
> the frying pan.
> 
> 

If it required heating then it is suspect. Chicken also doesn't taste or 
smell like chicken at all. But right before slaughtering them they're 
fed with a chemical that spreads throughout their bodies and it is this 
chemical that gives off a chicken-like odor as well as taste when heat 
is applied. This was common practice in food industry in USA when I read 
a book about it in early 1980s!

I've heard for bypassing laws manufacturers pour one tablespoon - ONE 
TABLESPOON! - of real olive oil into a whole bottle of some other 
vegetable oils so they could "legally" label the bottle as "olive oil"!





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#832646 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/17/2021 09:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
> RabidHussar wrote:
>
>> I can't imagine how one would screw up pizza; it's literally the easiest
>> thing to make.
>
> You say it yourself, below, "genius".  It's easy to screw-up the
> crust.
>
>> The difference in pizza places comes down to the sauce
>> and the quality of the crust. I notice that Americans chains use the
>> absolute worst wheat imaginable and therefore have terrible crust
>> whereas some of the smaller places have some of the most satisfying
>> breading I've ever tasted.
>
> I've about given-up on frozen pizza, because I can't get the crust
> crispy  without burning the top.  I suppose I could try a pizza stone,
> but I don't want to run the oven for an hour, either.
>

When I was a kid pizza was something that came out of seedy Italian 
taverns and the hamlet where we lived didn't have any seedy Italians. 
Enter the Chef Boyardee pizza kit.

You might be able to get a credible result but --  It was a Saturday 
night venture when my parents and aunt and uncle got together. By the 
time the adults got hungry enough for a midnight snack a lot of beer 
(for the men) or gin (for the women) had been consumed. The dough turned 
out like some elastomer suitable for patching the leak in the ISS. The 
first task was getting it stretched out to sort of fill the pan. Then 
you had to pour the canned sauce on before it retracted to a little ball 
and get it to the over, which someone may or may not have remembered to 
preheat. Sometime later the prize would appear, maybe not too black 
around the edges.

On alternate weeks we'd get together at my uncle's. He lived in the city 
and there was a seedy Italian tavern on the corner. They'd phone it in 
and give me a few bucks to go down and pick it up at the Ladies 
Entrance. Much better.

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#832658 — Re: I Am Under 18!

rbowman wrote:

>When I was a kid pizza was something that came out of seedy Italian 
>taverns and the hamlet where we lived didn't have any seedy Italians. 
>Enter the Chef Boyardee pizza kit.
>
>(snip)

The Tombstones that got me through my teeage years were pretty good,
compared to that!

>On alternate weeks we'd get together at my uncle's. He lived in the city 
>and there was a seedy Italian tavern on the corner. They'd phone it in 
>and give me a few bucks to go down and pick it up at the Ladies 
>Entrance. Much better.

Same darn good food - burgers, pizza, etc, comes out of some dive
bars...

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#832676 — Re: I Am Under 18!

On 09/18/2021 03:56 AM, chrisv wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>
>> When I was a kid pizza was something that came out of seedy Italian
>> taverns and the hamlet where we lived didn't have any seedy Italians.
>> Enter the Chef Boyardee pizza kit.
>>
>> (snip)
>
> The Tombstones that got me through my teeage years were pretty good,
> compared to that!

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/02/the-history-of-frozen-pizza-from-totinos-to-digiorno.html

Thanks to google for validating my memory. I couldn't remember frozen 
pizza as an option when I was a kid. They were regional and not a 
national commodity.

We'd watch TV programs that originated in California and wonder what a 
taco was. There were also jokes about Knott's Berry Farm. I finally went 
there to see what it was.

>
>> On alternate weeks we'd get together at my uncle's. He lived in the city
>> and there was a seedy Italian tavern on the corner. They'd phone it in
>> and give me a few bucks to go down and pick it up at the Ladies
>> Entrance. Much better.
>
> Same darn good food - burgers, pizza, etc, comes out of some dive
> bars...

What I miss are diners, particularly the ones that look like they should 
be on wheels.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-do-diners-look-like-trains

I've never been able to replicate diner meatloaf. I probably don't put 
enough oatmeal and floor sweepings in the mix. I can do diner rice 
pudding though.

I like Edward Hopper. 'Nighthawks' and 'Early Sunday Morning' remind me 
of the world that is gone forever. Applebee's just doesn't cut it.




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