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Science involves questioning one's own belief

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First post2021-07-18 09:38 -0700
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  Science involves questioning one's own belief Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 09:38 -0700
    Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Andy Everett <andyeverett57@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 09:59 -0700
    Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-07-18 12:25 -0500
      Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 11:48 -0700
        Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 14:51 -0500
          Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 13:56 -0700
    Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Sergio <invaled@invalid.com> - 2021-07-18 14:18 -0500
      Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2021-07-18 13:28 -0700
    Re: Science involves questioning one's own belief Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2021-07-18 22:21 +0200

#828004 — Science involves questioning one's own belief

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 09:38 -0700
SubjectScience involves questioning one's own belief
Message-ID<b9bae0f9-1d8a-4422-ac6d-a782011fb1b8n@googlegroups.com>
The foundation of science is the question, while the end of science is belief. Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question and when evidence is denied because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science.

James McGinn / Real Scientist

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#828007

FromAndy Everett <andyeverett57@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 09:59 -0700
Message-ID<5ec74140-5ca3-4bfa-b042-50ee40bdadb2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#828004
On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:38:47 PM UTC-4, solvingt...@gmail.com wrote:
> The foundation of science is the question, while the end of science is belief. Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question and when evidence is denied because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science. 
> 
> James McGinn / Real Scientist

Google search "the foundation of the scientific method is what"

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+foundation+of+the+scientific+method+is+what&oq=the+foundation+of+the+scientific+method+is+what&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j0i390j69i64.13476j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"Some key underpinnings to the scientific method: The hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable, according to North Carolina State University. Falsifiable means that there must be a possible negative answer to the hypothesis."

You have a hypothesis now YOU need to do some experiments. Do you want us to just believe you because you allegedly have some training (still waiting for proof of some kind of degree). 

Just because you say it don't mean its so.

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#828010

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2021-07-18 12:25 -0500
Message-ID<ilj6g3F5f34U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#828004
On 7/18/2021 11:38 AM, Solving Tornadoes wrote:
> The foundation of science is the question, while the end of science is belief. Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question and when evidence is denied because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science.
> 
> James McGinn / Real Scientist

1) Real(tm) scientists are published (or cited) in peer reviewed
journals.

2) Science is practical, and real(tm) scientists know how to work
successfully with science despite all of its shortcomings. Indeed
those shortcomings and their accommodation is what allows science
to work for us.

3) Science, as is true with all knowledge, is true and relevant only
on some statistical basis. For example, "The earth is a sphere."

4) Attempting to redefine working realities only yields an attempt
that does nothing to actually derail the functionality of such
reality. The name given to such attempts is "chasing your own tail."
On some occasions that practice my bring laughter to onlookers. Any
wise person doesn't count on it. Naturally enough, wisdom tends to
preclude the practice.

5) Among humans, the Dunning-Kruger effect appears to enhance the
likelihood that the person thus described will chase their own tail.

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#828014

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 11:48 -0700
Message-ID<7283d7b9-e05c-407b-a9a0-6c784ea5ca61n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#828010
On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 10:25:29 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 7/18/2021 11:38 AM, Solving Tornadoes wrote: 
> > The foundation of science is the question, while the end of science is belief. Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question and when evidence is denied because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science. 
> > 
> > James McGinn / Real Scientist
> 1) Real(tm) scientists are published (or cited) in peer reviewed 
> journals. 

Actually peer review is an academic institution, not a scientific institution. Amateurs and non-scientists don't know this distinction. Also much of academic science has been dumbed down for delivery to the masses, since that is the role of academia.

> 2) Science is practical, and real(tm) scientists know how to work 
> successfully with science despite all of its shortcomings. Indeed 
> those shortcomings and their accommodation is what allows science 
> to work for us. 

Isn't this obvious. You appear to be confused about the distinction between dumbed-down academic science and real science.

To an amateur real science is often indistinguishable from pseudoscience.  This is why common morons like yourself are ignored by real scientists.

> 3) Science, as is true with all knowledge, is true and relevant only 
> on some statistical basis. For example, "The earth is a sphere." 

Isn't this true for everything?

> 4) Attempting to redefine working realities only yields an attempt 
> that does nothing to actually derail the functionality of such 
> reality. The name given to such attempts is "chasing your own tail." 
> On some occasions that practice my bring laughter to onlookers. Any 
> wise person doesn't count on it. Naturally enough, wisdom tends to 
> preclude the practice. 

As I stated above, to an amateur real science is often indistinguishable from pseudoscience.  This is why common morons like yourself are ignored by real scientists.

> 5) Among humans, the Dunning-Kruger effect appears to enhance the 
> likelihood that the person thus described will chase their own tail.

Those that invoke Dunning-Kruger without directly evidencing evidence thereof are inadvertently providing evidence thereof.

Find another hobby, moron.  Science ain't your thing.

James McGinn / Genius

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#828023

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 14:51 -0500
Message-ID<sd20oa$u0c$1@solani.org>
In reply to#828014
On 7/18/2021 1:48 PM, Solving Tornadoes wrote:
>> 5) Among humans, the Dunning-Kruger effect appears to enhance the
>> likelihood that the person thus described will chase their own tail.
> Those that invoke Dunning-Kruger without directly evidencing evidence thereof are inadvertently providing evidence thereof.
> 
> Find another hobby, moron.  Science ain't your thing.


I opened his way to Chaturbate for hobby. Then he disappeared for a 
while :) Now he's back.

I guess the joy of seeing a dick beginning at one side of his computer 
monitor and ending at the opposite side, while he's under "male" tab at 
Chaturbate isn't that appealing anymore to him at his age.

And curiously he does not disclose his background. Right there I see a 
"rat." He knows he doesn't belong in this forum and yet keeps coming in.

-- 
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#828030

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 13:56 -0700
Message-ID<71258505-a4d3-44bf-ae80-b13d35c44820n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#828023
On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:51:43 PM UTC-7, Clutterfreak wrote:

> And curiously he does not disclose his background. 

I got three guesses:
1) Engineer
2) Engineer
3) Engineer

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#828020

FromSergio <invaled@invalid.com>
Date2021-07-18 14:18 -0500
Message-ID<sd1uqt$epn$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#828004
On 7/18/2021 11:38 AM, Solving Tornadoes wrote:
> The foundation of science is the question, 

wrong.

> while the end of science is belief. 

Wrong.

>Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question 

wrong


>and when evidence is denied 

wrong.

>because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. 

Wrong.

> Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. 

Wrong.

> So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science.

wrong again, that is YOUR belief

> 
> James McGinn / projectionist 
> 

                     7 WRONGS in one post.

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#828026

FromSolving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com>
Date2021-07-18 13:28 -0700
Message-ID<1e02ecc9-990a-4f84-aa2f-4fdae2b39164n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#828020
On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:18:58 PM UTC-7, Sergio wrote:
> On 7/18/2021 11:38 AM, Solving Tornadoes wrote:
> > The foundation of science is the question,
> wrong.
> > while the end of science is belief.
> Wrong.
> >Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question
> wrong
> >and when evidence is denied
> wrong.
> >because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science.
> Wrong.
> > Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question.
> Wrong.
> > So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science.
> wrong again, that is YOUR belief 
> 
> > 
> > James McGinn / projectionist 
> > 
> 
> 7 WRONGS in one post.
Sergio, your argument is a bit too subtle.

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#828025

FromHelmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat>
Date2021-07-18 22:21 +0200
Message-ID<m239fg9oh2s0bt0cc9dgdg9vc6plu0dmfi@4ax.com>
In reply to#828004
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Solving Tornadoes
<solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> wrote:

>The foundation of science is the question, while the end of science is belief. Evidence is only useful if the interpretation provides an answer to a question and when evidence is denied because it doesn’t support belief then there is no science. Many of you have beliefs that you refuse to question. So those beliefs are based on emotional attachment rather than science.
>
>James McGinn / Real Scientist

The usual religiot's believer nonsense.

Science requires understanding,
and for this you lack the brain cells.

You have only learned to BELIEVE what some bearded cleric tells you.
===Do not ask questions!===
Now you are projecting your crippled mentality onto others.

RELIGION + IDIOT = RELIGIOT.

IDIOT.

w.

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