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| Started by | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| First post | 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700 |
| Last post | 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700 |
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Who will take Russia's Far East ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 02:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 01:30 -0700
smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-07 01:53 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 04:59 -0500
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-10-07 12:24 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 04:16 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 04:41 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 16:06 -0500
Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-13 19:53 -0700
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 22:38 -0500
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 21:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 15:26 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 17:52 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 02:14 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 00:46 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-08 18:42 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 19:59 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-09 01:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 00:24 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-12 15:32 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 11:55 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-13 14:06 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:17 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 11:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 18:02 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 03:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:22 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 22:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-12 16:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 17:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Willian Ravenna <ewin@arnaanva.ne> - 2022-10-12 23:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 19:11 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 01:48 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 23:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:03 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 22:35 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 12:41 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-16 12:31 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-16 16:45 +0000
Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 13:51 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:14 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 00:45 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 01:05 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 17:01 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-18 00:19 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 14:32 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-19 14:47 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 15:17 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-17 01:45 -0400
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 14:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-19 19:40 +0000
Dictators subsidize the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-16 09:54 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 14:04 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 16:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-18 20:43 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 19:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 01:24 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 00:01 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 15:18 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 18:07 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 22:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-25 20:58 -0400
Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-25 18:33 -0700
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 02:02 +0000
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 19:34 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 18:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-26 16:22 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 15:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 06:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 08:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-30 16:29 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 02:02 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 11:46 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:55 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 16:26 +0000
Jewish Ukraine is LGBTQ+ friendly & Putin is mimicking Hitler. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-30 14:36 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:37 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 17:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Franz Salucci <uiin@cestales.ml> - 2022-10-31 10:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:32 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 13:51 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:57 +0000
Too many dictators. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 03:02 -0700
Re: Too many dictators. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 10:48 -0400
Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 08:23 -0700
Re: Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:36 +0000
Too weak to care ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 09:20 -0700
Too many kooks chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2022-10-20 17:19 -0500
Re: Too many kooks % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 16:16 -0700
Re: Too many kooks Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 04:59 -0700
Re: Too many kooks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:44 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 00:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 23:11 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 19:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 18:18 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-20 00:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 23:23 -0700
Dictatorships rule. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-19 01:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 03:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 05:09 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:19 -0700
The damage done to Russia's Crimean bridge. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 02:08 -0700
Come 2024... "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 15:00 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 22:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 04:08 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfit Freak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 23:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-11 00:44 +0200
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Donald Richardson <drich@hotmail.net> - 2022-10-08 10:20 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 19:31 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? He <enihcamgnimag@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-19 09:48 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Shining star <he12091983@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700
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| From | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| Date | 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700 |
| Subject | Who will take Russia's Far East ? |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.6--10.39pm.Seattle.2022> |
East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ?
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 02:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <thohev$p20$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862660 |
On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". It wouldn't surprise me much if China decided to take advantage of Russia's weakened state to grab parts of Russia's far east, which was historically China long ago.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 01:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <610a1ab5-c425-4053-8ab0-042b5cf36d64n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862662 |
On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > > East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > > Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? > Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day > of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a > desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0H7PIJcEP0 > It wouldn't surprise me much if China decided to take advantage of > Russia's weakened state to grab parts of Russia's far east, which was > historically China long ago. It would help the West if they tried that. As things are, they are not trying that. Live in hope, though. My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. Such as the feigned retreat, mastered by the Mongols. Which is what the Russians have done. Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange.
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| From | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 01:53 -0700 |
| Subject | smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.7--1.53am.Seattle.2022> |
| In reply to | #862666 |
ArindamBanerjee replied: > > > East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > > > Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > > There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 04:59 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <jqabk6F4ndeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #862667 |
On 10/7/2022 3:53 AM, Relf wrote: > ArindamBanerjee replied: >>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >> >> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > > East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. The only issue here is what controls you?
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| From | Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 12:24 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <thpudo$3q7e9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #862672 |
On 10/7/22 2:59 AM, whodat wrote: > On 10/7/2022 3:53 AM, Relf wrote: >> ArindamBanerjee replied: >>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >>> >>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. >> >> East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. > > The only issue here is what controls you? Although he is a Hindu, if he is controlled by goodness in general, and if gods might represent various virtues, then goodness might be represented in various ways also. If the nuclear powers are evil however, and do not sign the Nuclear Weapons Ban treaty of 2017 because they are evil, and do actually want to murder every man, woman and child on Earth then perhaps they are the 'horns of the Beast'. There is that one sect that believes that the Apocalypse started in the 1800s. That was before the invention of nuclear weapons. Is it inevitable that they will all press the button eventually, who knows, but each day that they do not is a small victory.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-10 04:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <0fd0b791-ef42-4bf7-96a4-dbf7f877ff13n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862699 |
On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:24:45 UTC+11, Trolidan7 wrote: > On 10/7/22 2:59 AM, whodat wrote: > > On 10/7/2022 3:53 AM, Relf wrote: > >> ArindamBanerjee replied: > >>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > >>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > >>> > >>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > >> > >> East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. > > > > The only issue here is what controls you? > Although he is a Hindu, if he is controlled by > goodness in general, and if gods might represent > various virtues, then goodness might be represented > in various ways also. You may be interested in the link: https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.indian/c/_e7eut3AvS4/m/GOypUgATBgAJ where there is an interesting talk about the nature of the universe, metaphysics, religion, gurus, etc. > > If the nuclear powers are evil however, and do > not sign the Nuclear Weapons Ban treaty of 2017 > because they are evil, and do actually want to > murder every man, woman and child on Earth then > perhaps they are the 'horns of the Beast'. > > There is that one sect that believes that the > Apocalypse started in the 1800s. That was > before the invention of nuclear weapons. > > Is it inevitable that they will all press > the button eventually, who knows, but each day > that they do not is a small victory.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 04:41 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <8edc9600-ddf5-40de-ba0d-96b8a8546059n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862667 |
On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 19:53:39 UTC+11, Relf wrote: > ArindamBanerjee replied: > > > > East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > > > > Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > > > > There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. When will they ban online freedom is the question. They are still not that powerful. I note with joy that I am still around and free to post whatever I like.
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| From | Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 16:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. |
| Message-ID | <ti9uk8$tms$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862667 |
On 10/7/2022 3:53 AM, Relf wrote: > ArindamBanerjee replied: >>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >> >> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > > East & West, smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. like Pee-Scent Joe Biden, rules from behind with a limp wrist, and does what "Poodle Dog" Pelosie barks at him. Joe has started WW3 by telling PUTAN Russia if they invade Ukraine, usa would not send any troops.
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| From | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 19:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.13--7.53pm.Seattle.2022> |
| In reply to | #862987 |
Sergio: > Joe has started WW3 by telling PUTAN Russia if they invade Ukraine, > usa would not send any troops. Evil dictator Putin is mimicking Khomeini, 1980, Iran. In 2024, when a "Ronald Reagan" replaces today's "Jimmy Carter", Putin will back down. If evil dictator Putin can destroy Ukraine, then evil dictator "Ronald Reagan" can destroy Moscow. Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex.
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| From | Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 22:38 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. |
| Message-ID | <tialk1$b0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862999 |
On 10/13/2022 9:53 PM, Relf wrote: > Sergio: >> Joe has started WW3 by telling PUTAN Russia if they invade Ukraine, >> usa would not send any troops. > > Evil dictator Putin is mimicking Khomeini, 1980, Iran. > > In 2024, when a "Ronald Reagan" replaces today's "Jimmy Carter", > Putin will back down. > > If evil dictator Putin can destroy Ukraine, > then evil dictator "Ronald Reagan" can destroy Moscow. > > Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Putin fcked up, he should have bribed all the Ukrain officials, and kept all people, jobs, building, cashflow structures intact. but no, he attacks, bombs factories, building and villages waisting all that value and possable growth. stupid, stupid, stupid. he could have Just printed more rubals and pay off the ukerain officals, but no..... and the USA has a Moron for president, surrounded by more morons
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 21:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. |
| Message-ID | <8e53e2d0-3727-4096-9f9a-4c010f5da93en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863000 |
On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 14:38:47 UTC+11, Sergi o wrote: > On 10/13/2022 9:53 PM, Relf wrote: > > Sergio: > >> Joe has started WW3 by telling PUTAN Russia if they invade Ukraine, > >> usa would not send any troops. > > > > Evil dictator Putin is mimicking Khomeini, 1980, Iran. > > > > In 2024, when a "Ronald Reagan" replaces today's "Jimmy Carter", > > Putin will back down. > > > > If evil dictator Putin can destroy Ukraine, > > then evil dictator "Ronald Reagan" can destroy Moscow. > > > > Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. > Putin fcked up, he should have bribed all the Ukrain officials, and kept all people, jobs, building, cashflow structures intact. I don't think Putin likes bribery. He wants better people than crooks around. > > but no, he attacks, bombs factories, building and villages waisting all that value and possable growth. > > stupid, stupid, stupid. he could have Just printed more rubals and pay off the ukerain officals, but no..... > > and the USA has a Moron for president, surrounded by more morons Without a moral backbone, lasting peace is not possible. Corruption rules, leading to general decay.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 15:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <thpugh$1eh8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862666 |
On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: >>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? >> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day >> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a >> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". > > There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a big Z is visible. How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic or video evidence of the losses. Its numbers for Russian losses tend to be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. > My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. > Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they are doing. > Such as the feigned retreat, mastered by the Mongols. Which is what the Russians have done. "Feigned retreats" don't leave behind gifts of hundreds of tanks, artillery rounds etc. What happened in September was a ROUT. > Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) > > Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-07 17:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8971ad27-ffb4-4b91-b954-c3afb62c5650n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862700 |
On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > >>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > >>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > >> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? > >> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day > >> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a > >> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". > > > > There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted > Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians > release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being > blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a > big Z is visible. Who knows. What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. > How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, > both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian > losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both > sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic > or video evidence of the losses. Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. This is one point made by youtube analysts. > Its numbers for Russian losses tend to > be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the > minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, > while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. That may be. What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. It is contiguous with the Donbass. They can take their time to make a counterattack. There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be used to get some conclusion or victory. > > My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. > The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing > has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is > still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after > being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were > NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just > donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries are there. Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. Indian troops were there in East Pakistan before the invasion, dressed as guerillas. Nothing new, then. > > Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. > Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they > are doing. Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. > > Such as the feigned retreat, mastered by the Mongols. Which is what the Russians have done. > "Feigned retreats" don't leave behind gifts of hundreds of tanks, > artillery rounds etc. What happened in September was a ROUT. It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks sounds like propaganda. > > Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. > More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! I thought they were using HIMARS. > > (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) Useless then. > > > > Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. > That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually > going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium > do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, well-worn now. You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, but you can stop looking so foolish.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 02:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <thr4gg$1jaq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862710 |
On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: >>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? >>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day >>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a >>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". >>> >>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. >> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted >> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians >> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being >> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a >> big Z is visible. > Who knows. The Ukrainians sure know! And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians seem to live like pigs) > All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. > Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). > Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. > In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. > >> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, >> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian >> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both >> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic >> or video evidence of the losses. > > Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. This is one point made by youtube analysts. Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) > >> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to >> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the >> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, >> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. > > That may be. > What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able to keep that up for very long. > It is contiguous with the Donbass. As is the rest of Ukraine. > They can take their time to make a counterattack. While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. > There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man walking and knows it. > Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. > And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be used to get some conclusion or victory. Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all hung up with Ukraine! > >>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. >> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing >> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is >> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after >> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were >> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just >> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. > > Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries are there. Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. > Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. >>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. >> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they >> are doing. > > Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% was held by Russia since 2014. > It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks sounds like propaganda. It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't count them. > >>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. >> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! > > I thought they were using HIMARS. Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, but they got it!) >> >> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) > > Useless then. Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". >>> >>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. >> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually >> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium >> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. > > Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, well-worn now. Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I guess. > You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, but you can stop looking so foolish. I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big...
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 00:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <772a152e-880b-4255-bdc5-e61382a89b54n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862737 |
On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > >>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > >>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > >>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? > >>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day > >>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a > >>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". > >>> > >>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > >> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted > >> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians > >> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being > >> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a > >> big Z is visible. > > Who knows. > The Ukrainians sure know! And you believe them. Others do not. As is said, truth is the first casualty in warfare. > > And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > train next to the collapsed section is on fire! Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > > What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. > Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV > station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I > just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter > a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians > seem to live like pigs) My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. . > > All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. > > Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. > Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like > they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them after drawing them in the Donbass. > > Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. > > In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. > Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment for the support of civil war that did not happen. Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who knows how many lives. > > > >> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, > >> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian > >> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both > >> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic > >> or video evidence of the losses. > > > > Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. This is one point made by youtube analysts. > Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed > out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the > supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) Quite a game, what. Who is trying fool whom, is the question. > > > >> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to > >> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the > >> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, > >> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. > > > > That may be. > > What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. > Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. > Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. > That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. > Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able > to keep that up for very long. Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, tourism and hairdressing type action. They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the hell out of US. That is because they were resourceful and tenacious. Which is what Russians under Putin I expect to be. The big idea of the Western elites is to rob Russia, in the Yeltsin style government. That is because there is lots to rob in Russia. They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further their interests. Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, anti-vodka, nationalist. Which is why we have the war with his invasion. > > It is contiguous with the Donbass. > As is the rest of Ukraine. Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. > > They can take their time to make a counterattack. > While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them wholesale. That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. > > There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. > Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with > access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... > why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man > walking and knows it. That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as strong as ever. It is unlikely, given his example that will be followed, that his successor will be some corrupt Yeltsin. Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. Well, business and propaganda do work like that, with advertising and blah. However this is different. The sun is not Apollo's chariot, and the world is not flat. No amount of lying will make things different about the sSun and Earth. > > Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. > Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. But not to the US. > > And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be used to get some conclusion or victory. > Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The > so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all > hung up with Ukraine! The Ukrainians have got very good anti aircraft equipment. Huh, they attacked with 200000 men and bad tanks, and got 15% of the land. Yes if they had attacked with ten times that number, ignored civilian casualties, used their most powerful equipment, they would have won easily,bu then there would have been international condemnation. They had thought that Zelensky would go away, but he used civilian shields. So they turned to plan B to keep the Donbass, where there is Russian majority.. > > > >>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. > >> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing > >> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is > >> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after > >> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were > >> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just > >> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. > > > > Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries are there. > Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. > There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if > you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A > paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. > > Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. > No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've > been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. Putin thinks NATO troops are there in Ukraine garb. He thinks he is fighting NATO now, Ukraine is finished. They could not stop him in the 4 regions he has annexed, now NATO has come in and made some gains. > >>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. > >> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they > >> are doing. > > > > Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. > Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% > was held by Russia since 2014. Yes, to begin with it was 30%. Then they retreated from areas where they did not have Russian majority, and where Russians were not usually persecuted. > > It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks sounds like propaganda. > It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with > photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't > count them. Why on earth should I or anyone independent believe Oryx. From the videos I have seen, the Russians just retreated letting them come in. Like mice to a trap. > >>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. > >> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! > > > > I thought they were using HIMARS. > Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS > are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and > ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, > but they got it!) Rejoice, but they already have a land bridge to Crimea. NATO did it, it attacked the bridge, allegedly sabotaged the gas pipes, it is now real war. So Putin is mobilising with 300000 more men out of 25000000, that is just a pinprick. Russia is vast. They have declared the Ukraine situation as an existential threat, so they are united and cool about their defence. > >> > >> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) > > > > Useless then. > Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care > what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of > gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. > Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not > counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". On the one hand they say the tanks are useless and on the other are happy to have them. It is now NATO vs Russia, as it had to be sooner or later. > >>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. > >> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually > >> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium > >> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. > > > > Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, well-worn now. > Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize > Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of > you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I guess. He is an evil-minded kook all right, trying to foment nuclear war, and you are a scoundrel of the lowest type to compare him with me. Lying is your racist and bigoted blood, no doubt. > > You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, but you can stop looking so foolish. > I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. What a coward you are, mentally and morally. You represent the very worst of the human race. If you had any notion of shame, I would call you shameless. > ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big... Rejoice, scumbag, while you may.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 18:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <thsv6k$4r9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
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On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: >>>>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >>>>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? >>>>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day >>>>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a >>>>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". >>>>> >>>>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. >>>> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted >>>> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians >>>> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being >>>> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a >>>> big Z is visible. >>> Who knows. >> The Ukrainians sure know! > And you believe them. Others do not. As is said, truth is the first casualty in warfare. Of course truth is the first casualty. I keep that in mind with all I see. Yet I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures and videos of destroyed tanks and equipment/equipment being destroyed, released by Ukrainian friendly sources or Oryx. I do see some from Russia but it's few and far between. I know there's more Russian kills but Russia isn't releasing much. Oryx releases both, apparently they've been tracking combat for other wars, not just Ukraine. >> >> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for >> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an >> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a >> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > > Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as Russia is. > >>> What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. >> Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV >> station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I >> just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter >> a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians >> seem to live like pigs) > > My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. And who would these "unbiased" journalists be, and what do you believe they would report differently? > . >>> All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. >>> Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. >> Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like >> they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). > > Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them after drawing them in the Donbass. With what army? They had to do conscription, which has caused more Russians to flee Russia than be conscripted, with older men, diabetics etc. being conscripted, then sent to the front line with no training and rusty weapons from WW2 and even WW1! They're sending T-62 tanks from the 60s to the front! What next, WW2 tanks? > >>> Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. >>> In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. >> Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. > > Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment for the support of civil war that did not happen. The US exit from Afghanistan was performed VERY poorly, resulting in a near-panic US exit at the end. Even I knew that's not how to do it. > Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who knows how many lives. The so-called Afghan army panicked/was routed as the US left, so the Taliban got all their stuff. Shameful. (Don't forget Russia lost more men in the first month than the US lost in 20 years in Afghanistan. Now Russia has lost more men than the US did in the *entire* Vietnam War!) >>> >>>> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, >>>> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian >>>> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both >>>> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic >>>> or video evidence of the losses. >>> >>> Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. This is one point made by youtube analysts. >> Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed >> out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the >> supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) > > Quite a game, what. Who is trying fool whom, is the question. No fooling anyone. Oryx is just documenting the war, and they have documented several other wars in the same way. >>> >>>> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to >>>> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the >>>> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, >>>> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. >>> >>> That may be. >>> What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. >> Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. >> Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. >> That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. >> Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able >> to keep that up for very long. > > Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, tourism and hairdressing type action. They are legitimate countries and much of their economies are what all countries do. Despite its potential natural resources, Russia is doing poorly. Its advantage is they were more militant than either Italy or Spain (for US people, Russia's economy is about that of New York State or Texas's GDP), plus tons of old Soviet stuff. But much of that has been poorly maintained, plus Russian corruption means many parts were raided and sold illicitly. Short term, GDP doesn't matter that much, how successful war is depends on what you already have in both equipment and troops. Long term the GDP is important to be able to keep up with the demands of war. This one is in its 8th month. The Russian economy has lost lots of workers, already fighting/conscripted or fled. Plus however much sanctions actually hurt them. They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. Which will help them in the future. Not now. > GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. And someday Russia will be wealthy. > With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the hell out of US. They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not popular. The US was very successful in Afghanistan for a few months, then things really bogged down. I am of the opinion the US should have gotten out of there once bin Laden was dead, that was really the reason to go there at all. > That is because they were resourceful and tenacious. Which is what Russians under Putin I expect to be. > The big idea of the Western elites is to rob Russia, in the Yeltsin style government. That is because there is lots to rob in Russia. The Russian oligarchs already robbed Russia. > They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further their interests. > Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, anti-vodka, nationalist. > Which is why we have the war with his invasion. He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. > >>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. >> As is the rest of Ukraine. > Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. >>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. >> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. > Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them wholesale. Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" > That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just wait a few years and attack again. > >>> There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. >> Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with >> access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... >> why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man >> walking and knows it. > > That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as strong as ever. The Russian people are very suppressed under him, so it is difficult for a revolt to get going. He is extremely paranoid as well. Who knows if any revolt can ever get going. But he knows the possibility is there. > Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. That's the Russian way! They ALWAYS lie, and they do so poorly at it! "We have no plans to invade Ukraine, we're just doing exercises on the border!" the day before the invasion. The Ukrainians did all the war crimes in the territories just liberated by Ukraine (how?). Ukraine is run by (Jewish?) Nazis! The Moskva just had a little fire and is being towed to port. Etc. etc. Good grief. But I see it has worked on you. >>> Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. >> Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. > But not to the US. Doesn't matter. The US isn't involved other than supplying weapons. >>> And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be used to get some conclusion or victory. >> Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The >> so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all >> hung up with Ukraine! > > The Ukrainians have got very good anti aircraft equipment. Huh, they attacked with 200000 men and bad tanks, and got 15% of the land. Yes if they had attacked with ten times that number, ignored civilian casualties, used their most powerful equipment, they would have won easily,bu then there would have been international condemnation. They had thought that Zelensky would go away, but he used civilian shields. So they turned to plan B to keep the Donbass, where there is Russian majority.. Hahaha. Ridiculous. Ukraine really foiled their plans in the first few days in the north, killing many of the best Russian troops. That was a big surprise. >>> >>>>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. >>>> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing >>>> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is >>>> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after >>>> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were >>>> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just >>>> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. >>> >>> Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries are there. >> Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. >> There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if >> you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A >> paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. > >>> Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. >> No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've >> been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. > Putin thinks NATO troops are there in Ukraine garb. He thinks he is fighting NATO now, Ukraine is finished. They could not stop him in the 4 regions he has annexed, now NATO has come in and made some gains. Yes, the Russians are told they are fighting NATO, but they aren't. The joke: Putin: How is our war with NATO doing? General: So far we lost 60,000 troops, 2000 tanks, etc. Putin: And what has NATO lost? General: They haven't started fighting yet! >>>>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. >>>> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they >>>> are doing. >>> >>> Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. >> Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% >> was held by Russia since 2014. > Yes, to begin with it was 30%. Then they retreated from areas where they did not have Russian majority, and where Russians were not usually persecuted. You mean the Ukrainians kicked them out. > >>> It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks sounds like propaganda. >> It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with >> photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't >> count them. > > Why on earth should I or anyone independent believe Oryx. They appear to me to be mostly neutral. Their thing is to track war losses, for several wars. > From the videos I have seen, the Russians just retreated letting them come in. Like mice to a trap. More like the Monty Python knights running from the killer rabbit in the Holy Grail movie. > >>>>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. >>>> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! >>> >>> I thought they were using HIMARS. >> Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS >> are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and >> ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, >> but they got it!) > > Rejoice, but they already have a land bridge to Crimea. NATO did it, it attacked the bridge, Really? It appears nobody really knows how it was done. > allegedly sabotaged the gas pipes, it is now real war. Yeah right. Russia sabotaged the pipelines and blamed the west. Typical of them. > So Putin is mobilising with 300000 more men out of 25000000, that is just a pinprick. Russia is vast. They have declared the Ukraine situation as an existential threat, so they are united and cool about their defence. >>>> >>>> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) >>> >>> Useless then. >> Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care >> what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of >> gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. >> Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not >> counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". > > On the one hand they say the tanks are useless and on the other are happy to have them. The next war won't be fought by tanks. Too easy to destroy. But tanks, AFVs, artillery and ammo are always useful. > It is now NATO vs Russia, as it had to be sooner or later. Nope, non NATO, that would be WW3. > >>>>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. >>>> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually >>>> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium >>>> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. >>> >>> Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, well-worn now. >> Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize >> Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of >> you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I guess. > > He is an evil-minded kook all right, trying to foment nuclear war, And he has equally kind words for you. Yes he's a kook, just like you are, but at least you don't foment nuclear war in your kookery. > and you are a scoundrel of the lowest type to compare him with me. Nope. You both have similar forms of megalomania about science. And neither of you recognize it in yourself. > Lying is your racist and bigoted blood, no doubt. That is your pathetic excuse for everything. Racist! Everyone is racist! Just like Plutonium calls everyone who disagrees with him to be total failures of math/physics. > >>> You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, but you can stop looking so foolish. >> I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. > > What a coward you are, mentally and morally. You represent the very worst of the human race. If you had any notion of shame, I would call you shameless. Nope. I saw crashing "armatures" before. I don't expect any change. Nor do I expect you to perform experiments which meet scientific expectations for evidence. > >> ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big... > > Rejoice, scumbag, while you may. I see Russia as an evil that needs to be stopped. I expect that to change once when/if Putin dies or gets overthrown, unless the next to seize power is just as evil.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 18:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jqeg79Fo33oU1@mid.individual.net> |
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Please scan to the end, my input is limited to a few lines just before. But I decided for the sake of history to leave the entire exchange intact. It would be wonderful for humanity of Arindam were right; unfortunately he is wrong and he is unwilling to face that reality. BTW, Arindam, it appears that India is in dire need of teachers, especially rural teachers. So if you were as so pro-India as you claim here, why do you and your wife ignore the needs of your people and your country? If she taught in India at least there would be some good coming from your family, but as matters stand you contribute nothing while your wife helps "white folk" in face of the racism you attribute to us. It gets confusing because what you are doing is not what the Jesuits taught you to do, that is to follow the Golden Rule (easy to find, Matthew 7:12.) Or is the golden rule against Hindu teachings? I think not. Of course you think Gandhi was evil.... On 10/8/2022 5:56 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>> On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: >>>>>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. >>>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? >>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? >>>>>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass >>>>>>> every day >>>>>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a >>>>>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in >>>>>>> Russia". >>>>>> >>>>>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. >>>>> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as >>>>> intercepted >>>>> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians >>>>> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being >>>>> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a >>>>> big Z is visible. >>>> Who knows. >>> The Ukrainians sure know! >> And you believe them. Others do not. As is said, truth is the first >> casualty in warfare. > > Of course truth is the first casualty. I keep that in mind with all I > see. Yet I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures and videos of > destroyed tanks and equipment/equipment being destroyed, released by > Ukrainian friendly sources or Oryx. I do see some from Russia but it's > few and far between. I know there's more Russian kills but Russia isn't > releasing much. Oryx releases both, apparently they've been tracking > combat for other wars, not just Ukraine. >>> >>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for >>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an >>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a >>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! >> >> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > > I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > Russia is. >> >>>> What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, >>>> unlike in say Vietnam. >>> Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV >>> station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I >>> just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter >>> a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians >>> seem to live like pigs) >> >> My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign >> journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. > > And who would these "unbiased" journalists be, and what do you believe > they would report differently? >> . >>>> All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory >>>> has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. >>>> Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They >>>> don't deny that. >>> Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like >>> they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). >> >> Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and >> very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them >> after drawing them in the Donbass. > > With what army? They had to do conscription, which has caused more > Russians to flee Russia than be conscripted, with older men, diabetics > etc. being conscripted, then sent to the front line with no training and > rusty weapons from WW2 and even WW1! They're sending T-62 tanks from the > 60s to the front! What next, WW2 tanks? >> >>>> Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's >>>> leaders say. >>>> In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. >>> Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. >> >> Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, >> where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the >> US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment >> for the support of civil war that did not happen. > > The US exit from Afghanistan was performed VERY poorly, resulting in a > near-panic US exit at the end. Even I knew that's not how to do it. > >> Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who >> knows how many lives. > > The so-called Afghan army panicked/was routed as the US left, so the > Taliban got all their stuff. Shameful. (Don't forget Russia lost more > men in the first month than the US lost in 20 years in Afghanistan. Now > Russia has lost more men than the US did in the *entire* Vietnam War!) >>>> >>>>> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, >>>>> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian >>>>> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both >>>>> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is >>>>> photographic >>>>> or video evidence of the losses. >>>> >>>> Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. >>>> This is one point made by youtube analysts. >>> Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed >>> out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the >>> supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) >> >> Quite a game, what. Who is trying fool whom, is the question. > > No fooling anyone. Oryx is just documenting the war, and they have > documented several other wars in the same way. >>>> >>>>> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to >>>>> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the >>>>> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, >>>>> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. >>>> >>>> That may be. >>>> What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. >>> Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. >>> Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. >>> That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. >>> Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able >>> to keep that up for very long. >> >> Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, >> tourism and hairdressing type action. > > They are legitimate countries and much of their economies are what all > countries do. Despite its potential natural resources, Russia is doing > poorly. Its advantage is they were more militant than either Italy or > Spain (for US people, Russia's economy is about that of New York State > or Texas's GDP), plus tons of old Soviet stuff. But much of that has > been poorly maintained, plus Russian corruption means many parts were > raided and sold illicitly. > > Short term, GDP doesn't matter that much, how successful war is depends > on what you already have in both equipment and troops. Long term the GDP > is important to be able to keep up with the demands of war. This one is > in its 8th month. The Russian economy has lost lots of workers, already > fighting/conscripted or fled. Plus however much sanctions actually hurt > them. > > They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. > > Which will help them in the future. Not now. > >> GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. > > And someday Russia will be wealthy. > >> With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the >> hell out of US. > > They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH > easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not > popular. The US was very successful in Afghanistan for a few months, > then things really bogged down. I am of the opinion the US should have > gotten out of there once bin Laden was dead, that was really the reason > to go there at all. > >> That is because they were resourceful and tenacious. Which is what >> Russians under Putin I expect to be. >> The big idea of the Western elites is to rob Russia, in the Yeltsin >> style government. That is because there is lots to rob in Russia. > > The Russian oligarchs already robbed Russia. > >> They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their >> government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further >> their interests. >> Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to >> expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, >> anti-vodka, nationalist. >> Which is why we have the war with his invasion. > > He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants > to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for > that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. >> >>>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. >>> As is the rest of Ukraine. >> Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. > > And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. > >>>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. >>> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. >> Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them >> wholesale. > > Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" > >> That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want >> horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, >> Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms >> instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. > > What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even > if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just > wait a few years and attack again. >> >>>> There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. >>> Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with >>> access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... >>> why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man >>> walking and knows it. >> >> That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. >> There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as >> strong as ever. > > The Russian people are very suppressed under him, so it is difficult for > a revolt to get going. He is extremely paranoid as well. Who knows if > any revolt can ever get going. But he knows the possibility is there. > >> Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no >> difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when >> a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. > > That's the Russian way! They ALWAYS lie, and they do so poorly at it! > "We have no plans to invade Ukraine, we're just doing exercises on the > border!" the day before the invasion. The Ukrainians did all the war > crimes in the territories just liberated by Ukraine (how?). Ukraine is > run by (Jewish?) Nazis! The Moskva just had a little fire and is being > towed to port. Etc. etc. Good grief. But I see it has worked on you. > >>>> Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with >>>> US. >>> Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. >> But not to the US. > > Doesn't matter. The US isn't involved other than supplying weapons. > >>>> And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be >>>> used to get some conclusion or victory. >>> Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The >>> so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all >>> hung up with Ukraine! >> >> The Ukrainians have got very good anti aircraft equipment. Huh, they >> attacked with 200000 men and bad tanks, and got 15% of the land. Yes >> if they had attacked with ten times that number, ignored civilian >> casualties, used their most powerful equipment, they would have won >> easily,bu then there would have been international condemnation. They >> had thought that Zelensky would go away, but he used civilian shields. >> So they turned to plan B to keep the Donbass, where there is Russian >> majority.. > > Hahaha. Ridiculous. Ukraine really foiled their plans in the first few > days in the north, killing many of the best Russian troops. That was a > big surprise. >>>> >>>>>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will >>>>>> blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming >>>>>> they are on Russian soil. >>>>> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. >>>>> Nothing >>>>> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is >>>>> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after >>>>> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were >>>>> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just >>>>> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians >>>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries >>>> are there. >>> Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. >>> There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if >>> you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A >>> paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. >> >>>> Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. >>> No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've >>> been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. >> Putin thinks NATO troops are there in Ukraine garb. He thinks he is >> fighting NATO now, Ukraine is finished. They could not stop him in the >> 4 regions he has annexed, now NATO has come in and made some gains. > > Yes, the Russians are told they are fighting NATO, but they aren't. > > The joke: > > Putin: How is our war with NATO doing? > General: So far we lost 60,000 troops, 2000 tanks, etc. > Putin: And what has NATO lost? > General: They haven't started fighting yet! > >>>>>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. >>>>> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they >>>>> are doing. >>>> >>>> Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air >>>> cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. >>> Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% >>> was held by Russia since 2014. >> Yes, to begin with it was 30%. Then they retreated from areas where >> they did not have Russian majority, and where Russians were not >> usually persecuted. > > You mean the Ukrainians kicked them out. >> >>>> It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks >>>> sounds like propaganda. >>> It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with >>> photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't >>> count them. >> >> Why on earth should I or anyone independent believe Oryx. > > They appear to me to be mostly neutral. Their thing is to track war > losses, for several wars. > >> From the videos I have seen, the Russians just retreated letting them >> come in. Like mice to a trap. > > More like the Monty Python knights running from the killer rabbit in the > Holy Grail movie. >>>>>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. >>>>> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! >>>> >>>> I thought they were using HIMARS. >>> Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS >>> are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and >>> ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, >>> but they got it!) >> >> Rejoice, but they already have a land bridge to Crimea. NATO did it, >> it attacked the bridge, > > Really? It appears nobody really knows how it was done. > >> allegedly sabotaged the gas pipes, it is now real war. > > Yeah right. Russia sabotaged the pipelines and blamed the west. Typical > of them. > >> So Putin is mobilising with 300000 more men out of 25000000, that is >> just a pinprick. Russia is vast. They have declared the Ukraine >> situation as an existential threat, so they are united and cool about >> their defence. >>>>> >>>>> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) >>>> >>>> Useless then. >>> Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care >>> what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of >>> gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. >>> Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not >>> counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". >> >> On the one hand they say the tanks are useless and on the other are >> happy to have them. > > The next war won't be fought by tanks. Too easy to destroy. But tanks, > AFVs, artillery and ammo are always useful. > >> It is now NATO vs Russia, as it had to be sooner or later. > > Nope, non NATO, that would be WW3. >> >>>>>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of >>>>>> the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't >>>>>> get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. >>>>> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually >>>>> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium >>>>> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. >>>> >>>> Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, >>>> well-worn now. >>> Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize >>> Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of >>> you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I >>> guess. >> >> He is an evil-minded kook all right, trying to foment nuclear war, > > And he has equally kind words for you. Yes he's a kook, just like you > are, but at least you don't foment nuclear war in your kookery. > >> and you are a scoundrel of the lowest type to compare him with me. > > Nope. You both have similar forms of megalomania about science. And > neither of you recognize it in yourself. > >> Lying is your racist and bigoted blood, no doubt. > > That is your pathetic excuse for everything. Racist! Everyone is racist! > Just like Plutonium calls everyone who disagrees with him to be total > failures of math/physics. >> >>>> You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I >>>> pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, >>>> but you can stop looking so foolish. >>> I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. >> >> What a coward you are, mentally and morally. You represent the very >> worst of the human race. If you had any notion of shame, I would call >> you shameless. > > Nope. I saw crashing "armatures" before. I don't expect any change. Nor > do I expect you to perform experiments which meet scientific > expectations for evidence. Mama Banerjee has Arindam on a strict budget approaching zero because she knows from observation that is theories are a non-functioning dead end. Go ahead and curse me as you must, Banerjee, time will prove you useless. Your failures are not my fault, they are yours alone. >>> ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big... >> >> Rejoice, scumbag, while you may. > > I see Russia as an evil that needs to be stopped. I expect that to > change once when/if Putin dies or gets overthrown, unless the next to > seize power is just as evil.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 18:56 -0700 |
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On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 10:42:48 UTC+11, whodat wrote: Chap has woken up at last. Let me see what he is up to. What more lies can he say. > Please scan to the end, my input is limited to a few lines just before. > But I decided for the sake of history to leave the entire exchange > intact. > > It would be wonderful for humanity of Arindam were right; unfortunately > he is wrong and he is unwilling to face that reality. Lie#1. I am right about my new physics following and expanding upon Newton, and have been so even when I was tentative 23 years ago with my new formula relating matter and enetgy on a kinetic basis. Now I have proved beyond doubt that the notions of entropy, conservation laws of momentum and energy, and the whole of relativity and quanrum physics is wrong. This is the most wonderful news not just for humanity but for all animal, mineral and vegetable. Throwing out wrong bad ideas and replacing them with new brilliant ideas and directions will make humans better, and the better humans will make a better world. Lie#2. As I have been and am willing to face reality, I have published my works online to the whole world and replied to all who were at least polite. > > BTW, Arindam, it appears that India is in dire need of teachers, > especially rural teachers. So if you were as so pro-India as you claim > here, why do you and your wife ignore the needs of your people and your > country? Lie#3. Australia is my country. My wife teaches Australian children. I run an Australian research company that generates IP. I look after the needs of my country which is Australia with my presence.My late parents were Indian and they dedicated their lives to social work in rural areas. We helped them as much as we could.When it suits I will follow their example. As things are they did a great job and many of the poorest areas in the state of Jharkhand are much better off. > If she taught in India at least there would be some good coming > from your family, but as matters stand you contribute nothing while your > wife helps "white folk" in face of the racism you attribute to us. Lie#4 . Australia is not US. It is a Commonwealth country, not a lying thieving bunch of pirates that is the US, of which you are a worthy rep..The folk here are of all colours and creeds and get along well together, unlike the violent gun-crazed US, and much more like India, with an inclusive attitude.. Unlike you, most Australians are not racist. We are happy to be here, and not in the stupid, evil crazy US which as Trump has shown from the rigged elections is totally corrupt. To pretend that Australia is like an extension of US is a lie. Yes Australian elites may be of the fawning, cowardly type, but we are not like that, nor have anything to do with them. >It > gets confusing because what you are doing is not what the Jesuits taught > you to do, that is to follow the Golden Rule (easy to find, Matthew 7:12.) Lie#5 The Jesuits had a day school where I studied many subjects including their version of the NT. It is a lie to hold I have to follow anybChristian teaching as a result, for like most of my classmates I was not Christian. > > Or is the golden rule against Hindu teachings? Here the whodumbo is not lying, for it is asking a silly question. Anyway, the golden rule follows from the Hindu karmic philosophy, so very useful when followed. > > I think not. > > Of course you think Gandhi was evil.... Lie#6 What you think I think of Gandhi who was not a physicist is of no concern to physics. Wow, 6 lies in one post. Whodumbo does not disappoint as a liar. > On 10/8/2022 5:56 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > > On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>> On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>>> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>>>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > >>>>>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > >>>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > >>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? > >>>>>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass > >>>>>>> every day > >>>>>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a > >>>>>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in > >>>>>>> Russia". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > >>>>> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as > >>>>> intercepted > >>>>> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians > >>>>> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being > >>>>> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a > >>>>> big Z is visible. > >>>> Who knows. > >>> The Ukrainians sure know! > >> And you believe them. Others do not. As is said, truth is the first > >> casualty in warfare. > > > > Of course truth is the first casualty. I keep that in mind with all I > > see. Yet I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures and videos of > > destroyed tanks and equipment/equipment being destroyed, released by > > Ukrainian friendly sources or Oryx. I do see some from Russia but it's > > few and far between. I know there's more Russian kills but Russia isn't > > releasing much. Oryx releases both, apparently they've been tracking > > combat for other wars, not just Ukraine. > >>> > >>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > >>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > >>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > >>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > >> > >> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > > > > I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > > bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > > more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > > Russia is. > >> > >>>> What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, > >>>> unlike in say Vietnam. > >>> Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV > >>> station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I > >>> just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter > >>> a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians > >>> seem to live like pigs) > >> > >> My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign > >> journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. > > > > And who would these "unbiased" journalists be, and what do you believe > > they would report differently? > >> . > >>>> All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory > >>>> has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. > >>>> Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They > >>>> don't deny that. > >>> Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like > >>> they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). > >> > >> Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and > >> very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them > >> after drawing them in the Donbass. > > > > With what army? They had to do conscription, which has caused more > > Russians to flee Russia than be conscripted, with older men, diabetics > > etc. being conscripted, then sent to the front line with no training and > > rusty weapons from WW2 and even WW1! They're sending T-62 tanks from the > > 60s to the front! What next, WW2 tanks? > >> > >>>> Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's > >>>> leaders say. > >>>> In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. > >>> Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. > >> > >> Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, > >> where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the > >> US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment > >> for the support of civil war that did not happen. > > > > The US exit from Afghanistan was performed VERY poorly, resulting in a > > near-panic US exit at the end. Even I knew that's not how to do it. > > > >> Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who > >> knows how many lives. > > > > The so-called Afghan army panicked/was routed as the US left, so the > > Taliban got all their stuff. Shameful. (Don't forget Russia lost more > > men in the first month than the US lost in 20 years in Afghanistan. Now > > Russia has lost more men than the US did in the *entire* Vietnam War!) > >>>> > >>>>> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, > >>>>> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian > >>>>> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both > >>>>> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is > >>>>> photographic > >>>>> or video evidence of the losses. > >>>> > >>>> Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. > >>>> This is one point made by youtube analysts. > >>> Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed > >>> out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the > >>> supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) > >> > >> Quite a game, what. Who is trying fool whom, is the question. > > > > No fooling anyone. Oryx is just documenting the war, and they have > > documented several other wars in the same way. > >>>> > >>>>> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to > >>>>> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the > >>>>> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, > >>>>> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. > >>>> > >>>> That may be. > >>>> What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. > >>> Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. > >>> Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. > >>> That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. > >>> Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able > >>> to keep that up for very long. > >> > >> Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, > >> tourism and hairdressing type action. > > > > They are legitimate countries and much of their economies are what all > > countries do. Despite its potential natural resources, Russia is doing > > poorly. Its advantage is they were more militant than either Italy or > > Spain (for US people, Russia's economy is about that of New York State > > or Texas's GDP), plus tons of old Soviet stuff. But much of that has > > been poorly maintained, plus Russian corruption means many parts were > > raided and sold illicitly. > > > > Short term, GDP doesn't matter that much, how successful war is depends > > on what you already have in both equipment and troops. Long term the GDP > > is important to be able to keep up with the demands of war. This one is > > in its 8th month. The Russian economy has lost lots of workers, already > > fighting/conscripted or fled. Plus however much sanctions actually hurt > > them. > > > > They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. > > > > Which will help them in the future. Not now. > > > >> GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. > > > > And someday Russia will be wealthy. > > > >> With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the > >> hell out of US. > > > > They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH > > easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not > > popular. The US was very successful in Afghanistan for a few months, > > then things really bogged down. I am of the opinion the US should have > > gotten out of there once bin Laden was dead, that was really the reason > > to go there at all. > > > >> That is because they were resourceful and tenacious. Which is what > >> Russians under Putin I expect to be. > >> The big idea of the Western elites is to rob Russia, in the Yeltsin > >> style government. That is because there is lots to rob in Russia. > > > > The Russian oligarchs already robbed Russia. > > > >> They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their > >> government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further > >> their interests. > >> Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to > >> expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, > >> anti-vodka, nationalist. > >> Which is why we have the war with his invasion. > > > > He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants > > to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for > > that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. > >> > >>>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. > >>> As is the rest of Ukraine. > >> Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. > > > > And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. > > > >>>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. > >>> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. > >> Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them > >> wholesale. > > > > Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" > > > >> That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want > >> horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, > >> Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms > >> instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. > > > > What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even > > if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just > > wait a few years and attack again. > >> > >>>> There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. > >>> Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with > >>> access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... > >>> why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man > >>> walking and knows it. > >> > >> That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. > >> There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as > >> strong as ever. > > > > The Russian people are very suppressed under him, so it is difficult for > > a revolt to get going. He is extremely paranoid as well. Who knows if > > any revolt can ever get going. But he knows the possibility is there. > > > >> Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no > >> difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when > >> a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. > > > > That's the Russian way! They ALWAYS lie, and they do so poorly at it! > > "We have no plans to invade Ukraine, we're just doing exercises on the > > border!" the day before the invasion. The Ukrainians did all the war > > crimes in the territories just liberated by Ukraine (how?). Ukraine is > > run by (Jewish?) Nazis! The Moskva just had a little fire and is being > > towed to port. Etc. etc. Good grief. But I see it has worked on you. > > > >>>> Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with > >>>> US. > >>> Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. > >> But not to the US. > > > > Doesn't matter. The US isn't involved other than supplying weapons. > > > >>>> And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be > >>>> used to get some conclusion or victory. > >>> Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The > >>> so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all > >>> hung up with Ukraine! > >> > >> The Ukrainians have got very good anti aircraft equipment. Huh, they > >> attacked with 200000 men and bad tanks, and got 15% of the land. Yes > >> if they had attacked with ten times that number, ignored civilian > >> casualties, used their most powerful equipment, they would have won > >> easily,bu then there would have been international condemnation. They > >> had thought that Zelensky would go away, but he used civilian shields. > >> So they turned to plan B to keep the Donbass, where there is Russian > >> majority.. > > > > Hahaha. Ridiculous. Ukraine really foiled their plans in the first few > > days in the north, killing many of the best Russian troops. That was a > > big surprise. > >>>> > >>>>>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will > >>>>>> blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming > >>>>>> they are on Russian soil. > >>>>> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. > >>>>> Nothing > >>>>> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is > >>>>> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after > >>>>> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were > >>>>> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just > >>>>> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians > >>>>> themselves. > >>>> > >>>> Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries > >>>> are there. > >>> Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. > >>> There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if > >>> you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A > >>> paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. > >> > >>>> Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. > >>> No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've > >>> been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. > >> Putin thinks NATO troops are there in Ukraine garb. He thinks he is > >> fighting NATO now, Ukraine is finished. They could not stop him in the > >> 4 regions he has annexed, now NATO has come in and made some gains. > > > > Yes, the Russians are told they are fighting NATO, but they aren't. > > > > The joke: > > > > Putin: How is our war with NATO doing? > > General: So far we lost 60,000 troops, 2000 tanks, etc. > > Putin: And what has NATO lost? > > General: They haven't started fighting yet! > > > >>>>>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. > >>>>> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they > >>>>> are doing. > >>>> > >>>> Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air > >>>> cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. > >>> Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% > >>> was held by Russia since 2014. > >> Yes, to begin with it was 30%. Then they retreated from areas where > >> they did not have Russian majority, and where Russians were not > >> usually persecuted. > > > > You mean the Ukrainians kicked them out. > >> > >>>> It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks > >>>> sounds like propaganda. > >>> It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with > >>> photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't > >>> count them. > >> > >> Why on earth should I or anyone independent believe Oryx. > > > > They appear to me to be mostly neutral. Their thing is to track war > > losses, for several wars. > > > >> From the videos I have seen, the Russians just retreated letting them > >> come in. Like mice to a trap. > > > > More like the Monty Python knights running from the killer rabbit in the > > Holy Grail movie. > >>>>>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. > >>>>> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! > >>>> > >>>> I thought they were using HIMARS. > >>> Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS > >>> are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and > >>> ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, > >>> but they got it!) > >> > >> Rejoice, but they already have a land bridge to Crimea. NATO did it, > >> it attacked the bridge, > > > > Really? It appears nobody really knows how it was done. > > > >> allegedly sabotaged the gas pipes, it is now real war. > > > > Yeah right. Russia sabotaged the pipelines and blamed the west. Typical > > of them. > > > >> So Putin is mobilising with 300000 more men out of 25000000, that is > >> just a pinprick. Russia is vast. They have declared the Ukraine > >> situation as an existential threat, so they are united and cool about > >> their defence. > >>>>> > >>>>> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) > >>>> > >>>> Useless then. > >>> Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care > >>> what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of > >>> gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. > >>> Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not > >>> counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". > >> > >> On the one hand they say the tanks are useless and on the other are > >> happy to have them. > > > > The next war won't be fought by tanks. Too easy to destroy. But tanks, > > AFVs, artillery and ammo are always useful. > > > >> It is now NATO vs Russia, as it had to be sooner or later. > > > > Nope, non NATO, that would be WW3. > >> > >>>>>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of > >>>>>> the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't > >>>>>> get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. > >>>>> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually > >>>>> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium > >>>>> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. > >>>> > >>>> Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, > >>>> well-worn now. > >>> Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize > >>> Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of > >>> you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I > >>> guess. > >> > >> He is an evil-minded kook all right, trying to foment nuclear war, > > > > And he has equally kind words for you. Yes he's a kook, just like you > > are, but at least you don't foment nuclear war in your kookery. > > > >> and you are a scoundrel of the lowest type to compare him with me. > > > > Nope. You both have similar forms of megalomania about science. And > > neither of you recognize it in yourself. > > > >> Lying is your racist and bigoted blood, no doubt. > > > > That is your pathetic excuse for everything. Racist! Everyone is racist! > > Just like Plutonium calls everyone who disagrees with him to be total > > failures of math/physics. > >> > >>>> You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I > >>>> pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, > >>>> but you can stop looking so foolish. > >>> I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. > >> > >> What a coward you are, mentally and morally. You represent the very > >> worst of the human race. If you had any notion of shame, I would call > >> you shameless. > > > > Nope. I saw crashing "armatures" before. I don't expect any change. Nor > > do I expect you to perform experiments which meet scientific > > expectations for evidence. > Mama Banerjee has Arindam on a strict budget approaching zero because > she knows from observation that is theories are a non-functioning dead > end. > > Go ahead and curse me as you must, Banerjee, time will prove you > useless. Your failures are not my fault, they are yours alone. > >>> ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big... > >> > >> Rejoice, scumbag, while you may. > > > > I see Russia as an evil that needs to be stopped. I expect that to > > change once when/if Putin dies or gets overthrown, unless the next to > > seize power is just as evil.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-08 19:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9ca99b9b-3453-4334-8826-86c0a1a6c543n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862766 |
On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/7/2022 8:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 06:26:14 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>> On 10/7/2022 4:30 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>> On Friday, 7 October 2022 at 17:37:25 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/7/2022 1:39 AM, Relf wrote: > >>>>>>> East & West, smelly dictators rule with an iron fist. > >>>>>>> Russia took Ukraine, who will take Russia's Far East ? > >>>>>> Russia took Ukraine? What alternate universe is that? > >>>>>> Last I looked (recently), Ukraine has been kicking Russian ass every day > >>>>>> of the week, and twice on Sundays. The bogus "annexations" were a > >>>>>> desperation measure so they can send conscripts to fight "in Russia". > >>>>> > >>>>> There are doubts about the credibility of the Western media. > >>>> I've been looking at what Ukraine itself puts up as well as intercepted > >>>> Russian communications. The media is rather useless. The Ukrainians > >>>> release lots of videos and photos. There are LOTS of tanks being > >>>> blasted. Are they Russian tanks? Who knows, other than lots of times a > >>>> big Z is visible. > >>> Who knows. > >> The Ukrainians sure know! > > And you believe them. Others do not. As is said, truth is the first casualty in warfare. > Of course truth is the first casualty. I keep that in mind with all I > see. Yet I see hundreds and hundreds of pictures and videos of > destroyed tanks and equipment/equipment being destroyed, released by > Ukrainian friendly sources or Oryx. I do see some from Russia but it's > few and far between. I know there's more Russian kills but Russia isn't > releasing much. Oryx releases both, apparently they've been tracking > combat for other wars, not just Ukraine. > >> > >> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > >> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > >> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > >> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > > > > Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > Russia is. > > > >>> What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. > >> Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV > >> station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I > >> just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter > >> a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians > >> seem to live like pigs) > > > > My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. > And who would these "unbiased" journalists be, and what do you believe > they would report differently? > > . > >>> All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. > >>> Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. > >> Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like > >> they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). > > > > Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them after drawing them in the Donbass. > With what army? They had to do conscription, which has caused more > Russians to flee Russia than be conscripted, with older men, diabetics > etc. being conscripted, then sent to the front line with no training and > rusty weapons from WW2 and even WW1! They're sending T-62 tanks from the > 60s to the front! What next, WW2 tanks? > > > >>> Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. > >>> In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. > >> Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. > > > > Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment for the support of civil war that did not happen. > The US exit from Afghanistan was performed VERY poorly, resulting in a > near-panic US exit at the end. Even I knew that's not how to do it. > > Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who knows how many lives. > The so-called Afghan army panicked/was routed as the US left, so the > Taliban got all their stuff. Shameful. (Don't forget Russia lost more > men in the first month than the US lost in 20 years in Afghanistan. Now > Russia has lost more men than the US did in the *entire* Vietnam War!) > >>> > >>>> How many? The exact number won't ever be known. There are two lists, > >>>> both updated daily. One is the Ukrainian military estimate of Russian > >>>> losses. The other is the "Oryx" lists, which tracks losses on both > >>>> sides. Nothing gets added to the Oryx lists unless there is photographic > >>>> or video evidence of the losses. > >>> > >>> Same tank taken from different angles could be any number of tanks. This is one point made by youtube analysts. > >> Nope. Oryx specifically asks that any duplicates anyone finds be pointed > >> out so the duplicate entry can be removed. (Their webpage has all the > >> supporting photos/videos. Thousands and thousands of entries!) > > > > Quite a game, what. Who is trying fool whom, is the question. > No fooling anyone. Oryx is just documenting the war, and they have > documented several other wars in the same way. > >>> > >>>> Its numbers for Russian losses tend to > >>>> be around 1/2 of the Ukrainian estimates, and are pretty much the > >>>> minimums. For example, tanks, Ukraine estimates 2450 Russian losses, > >>>> while Oryx documents 1300 Russian tanks lost. > >>> > >>> That may be. > >>> What matters is how much territory Russia still has, and will keep. > >> Well, Russia just lost in less than a month all their gains since June. > >> Russia is huge, has lots of money, can buy anything. > >> That used to be true, but now they are becoming a third world country. > >> Their economy is the size of that of Italy and Spain. They won't be able > >> to keep that up for very long. > > > > Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, tourism and hairdressing type action. > They are legitimate countries and much of their economies are what all > countries do. Despite its potential natural resources, Russia is doing > poorly. Its advantage is they were more militant than either Italy or > Spain (for US people, Russia's economy is about that of New York State > or Texas's GDP), plus tons of old Soviet stuff. But much of that has > been poorly maintained, plus Russian corruption means many parts were > raided and sold illicitly. > > Short term, GDP doesn't matter that much, how successful war is depends > on what you already have in both equipment and troops. Long term the GDP > is important to be able to keep up with the demands of war. This one is > in its 8th month. The Russian economy has lost lots of workers, already > fighting/conscripted or fled. Plus however much sanctions actually hurt > them. > They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. > Which will help them in the future. Not now. > > GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. > And someday Russia will be wealthy. > > With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the hell out of US. > They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH > easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not > popular. The US was very successful in Afghanistan for a few months, > then things really bogged down. I am of the opinion the US should have > gotten out of there once bin Laden was dead, that was really the reason > to go there at all. > > That is because they were resourceful and tenacious. Which is what Russians under Putin I expect to be. > > The big idea of the Western elites is to rob Russia, in the Yeltsin style government. That is because there is lots to rob in Russia. > The Russian oligarchs already robbed Russia. > > They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further their interests. > > Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, anti-vodka, nationalist. > > Which is why we have the war with his invasion. > He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants > to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for > that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. > > > >>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. > >> As is the rest of Ukraine. > > Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. > And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. > >>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. > >> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. > > Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them wholesale. > Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" > > That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. > What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even > if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just > wait a few years and attack again. > > > >>> There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. > >> Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with > >> access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... > >> why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man > >> walking and knows it. > > > > That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as strong as ever. > The Russian people are very suppressed under him, so it is difficult for > a revolt to get going. He is extremely paranoid as well. Who knows if > any revolt can ever get going. But he knows the possibility is there. > > Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. > That's the Russian way! They ALWAYS lie, and they do so poorly at it! > "We have no plans to invade Ukraine, we're just doing exercises on the > border!" the day before the invasion. The Ukrainians did all the war > crimes in the territories just liberated by Ukraine (how?). Ukraine is > run by (Jewish?) Nazis! The Moskva just had a little fire and is being > towed to port. Etc. etc. Good grief. But I see it has worked on you. > >>> Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. > >> Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. > > But not to the US. > Doesn't matter. The US isn't involved other than supplying weapons. > >>> And this is not a case like Serbia or Iraq where air power can be used to get some conclusion or victory. > >> Speaking of air power, why doesn't Russia have air superiority? The > >> so-called second best military in the world turned out to be a joke, all > >> hung up with Ukraine! > > > > The Ukrainians have got very good anti aircraft equipment. Huh, they attacked with 200000 men and bad tanks, and got 15% of the land. Yes if they had attacked with ten times that number, ignored civilian casualties, used their most powerful equipment, they would have won easily,bu then there would have been international condemnation. They had thought that Zelensky would go away, but he used civilian shields. So they turned to plan B to keep the Donbass, where there is Russian majority.. > Hahaha. Ridiculous. Ukraine really foiled their plans in the first few > days in the north, killing many of the best Russian troops. That was a > big surprise. > >>> > >>>>> My prediction is that once the annexations go through, Putin will blast the NATO/Ukraine troops with all that he has got, claiming they are on Russian soil. > >>>> The "annexations" are a done deal as far as Russia is concerned. Nothing > >>>> has changed. No "blasting" any more than they already do. Russia is > >>>> still in retreat in many areas. The town of Lyman was liberated after > >>>> being "annexed" for less than 24 hours. Some "annexed" regions were > >>>> NEVER controlled by the Russians. BTW there are no NATO troops, just > >>>> donated NATO equipment. All the fighting is done by Ukrainians themselves. > >>> > >>> Russia got two Brits, and put them on show. Certainly mercenaries are there. > >> Oh certainly there have been volunteers from several countries going. > >> There have been two Americans killed so far fighting for Ukraine. But if > >> you want to talk about mercenaries, check out the Wagner Group. A > >> paramilitary mercenary group fighting for Russia. > > > >>> Strong rumour there is of NATO troops there, pretending to be Ukraine. > >> No, not fighting, NATO wants to avoid provocation. But certainly they've > >> been supplying satellite intelligence along with weapons. > > Putin thinks NATO troops are there in Ukraine garb. He thinks he is fighting NATO now, Ukraine is finished. They could not stop him in the 4 regions he has annexed, now NATO has come in and made some gains. > Yes, the Russians are told they are fighting NATO, but they aren't. > > The joke: > > Putin: How is our war with NATO doing? > General: So far we lost 60,000 troops, 2000 tanks, etc. > Putin: And what has NATO lost? > General: They haven't started fighting yet! > >>>>> Those generals in the West have no idea about military strategy. > >>>> Not relevant since the Ukrainian generals sure seem to know what they > >>>> are doing. > >>> > >>> Heh, they lost 15% of the land to only 200000 troops without air cover, while having 250000 NATO trained troops. > >> Didn't they have like 30% of the land earlier? Also much of that 15% > >> was held by Russia since 2014. > > Yes, to begin with it was 30%. Then they retreated from areas where they did not have Russian majority, and where Russians were not usually persecuted. > You mean the Ukrainians kicked them out. > > > >>> It looked like an orderly retreat. Talk of hundreds of gifted tanks sounds like propaganda. > >> It was a ROUT. Check out the Oryx list for the captured equipment, with > >> photos/video. Don't forget not all of it has pictures so Oryx won't > >> count them. > > > > Why on earth should I or anyone independent believe Oryx. > They appear to me to be mostly neutral. Their thing is to track war > losses, for several wars. > > From the videos I have seen, the Russians just retreated letting them come in. Like mice to a trap. > More like the Monty Python knights running from the killer rabbit in the > Holy Grail movie. > > > >>>>> Strategic retreat; draw them in and then finish them. > >>>> More like draw them in and get blasted by their own artillery! > >>> > >>> I thought they were using HIMARS. > >> Much easier to turn artillery guns around and shoot Russians. HIMARS > >> are used for high value targets behind the lines, like command posts and > >> ammo dumps. (And maybe the Kerch bridge? I thought it was out of range, > >> but they got it!) > > > > Rejoice, but they already have a land bridge to Crimea. NATO did it, it attacked the bridge, > Really? It appears nobody really knows how it was done. > > allegedly sabotaged the gas pipes, it is now real war. > Yeah right. Russia sabotaged the pipelines and blamed the west. Typical > of them. > > So Putin is mobilising with 300000 more men out of 25000000, that is just a pinprick. Russia is vast. They have declared the Ukraine situation as an existential threat, so they are united and cool about their defence. > >>>> > >>>> (The largest donor of equipment to Ukraine? Russia!) > >>> > >>> Useless then. > >> Nope. Tanks don't care who's driving them. Artillery guns don't care > >> what their target is. Ukrainians are quite good at using all kinds of > >> gear, plus Ukraine and Russia mostly use the same equipment anyway. > >> Ukraine has more tanks now than at the start of the war, and that's not > >> counting NATO donations. Only Russian "donations". > > > > On the one hand they say the tanks are useless and on the other are happy to have them. > The next war won't be fought by tanks. Too easy to destroy. But tanks, > AFVs, artillery and ammo are always useful. > > It is now NATO vs Russia, as it had to be sooner or later. > Nope, non NATO, that would be WW3. > > > >>>>> Anyway, it won't be your ass, Moroney. Nor Archie's. Just those of the poor misguided wretches at the front. That is, if things don't get a lot worse with nuclear exchange. > >>>> That's the problem. Putin is insane and who knows what he is actually > >>>> going to do. He suffers from megalomania, much like you and Plutonium > >>>> do. Fortunately, you two are harmless and have no power to do harm. > >>> > >>> Trying to equate me with Archie is your stupid and evil technique, well-worn now. > >> Nope. You two are quite similar. What's funny is that you recognize > >> Plutonium as a kook, and he recognizes you as a kook, but neither one of > >> you recognizes himself as a kook. That's how mental illness works, I guess. > > > > He is an evil-minded kook all right, trying to foment nuclear war, > And he has equally kind words for you. Yes he's a kook, just like you > are, but at least you don't foment nuclear war in your kookery. > > and you are a scoundrel of the lowest type to compare him with me. > Nope. You both have similar forms of megalomania about science. And > neither of you recognize it in yourself. > > Lying is your racist and bigoted blood, no doubt. > That is your pathetic excuse for everything. Racist! Everyone is racist! > Just like Plutonium calls everyone who disagrees with him to be total > failures of math/physics. > > > >>> You have no answer to the videos of my latest experiments. Am I pushing the amature with my hand, Moroney? You cannot stop lying, but you can stop looking so foolish. > >> I see no need to look at more crashing "armature" videos. > > > > What a coward you are, mentally and morally. You represent the very worst of the human race. If you had any notion of shame, I would call you shameless. > Nope. I saw crashing "armatures" before. I don't expect any change. Nor > do I expect you to perform experiments which meet scientific > expectations for evidence. Heh. Now this is capitalist racist bigoted dismissal of scientific evidence, with brief whisl of piggy tail. > > > >> ooh, I just saw more pictures of the Kerch Bridge...this is big... > > > > Rejoice, scumbag, while you may. > I see Russia as an evil that needs to be stopped. I expect that to > change once when/if Putin dies or gets overthrown, unless the next to > seize power is just as evil.
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