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Linux Crashing

Started byClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
First post2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
Last post2021-09-28 05:21 +0000
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  Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 07:52 -0500
    Re: Linux Crashing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-09-27 13:18 +0000
      Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:32 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:40 -0400
          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 15:01 +0100
            Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 11:17 -0400
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:55 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:57 +0100
        Re: Linux Crashing "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-27 20:42 +0200
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:49 -0500
    Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:20 +0100
      Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 08:24 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 14:49 +0100
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 09:09 -0500
            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:21 -0600
              Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:30 -0500
                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:01 +0100
                  Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:34 -0500
                    Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:31 +0100
                      Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 15:55 -0500
                        Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 21:53 -0600
                          Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 04:08 +0000
                            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 22:54 -0600
                              Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 01:59 -0500
                                Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:31 -0500
                                  Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:13 +0100
                                    Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:15 -0600
                                      Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:34 +0100
                                        Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:10 -0600
                                          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 23:16 -0500
                                            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:20 -0600
                                              BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 07:38 -0700
                                              Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:33 -0500
                                                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:35 -0600
                                                  Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:13 -0500
                                                    Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:26 +0000
                                          I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 06:36 -0700
                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:23 -0600
                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-30 09:33 -0500
                                                Dilbert.COM Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 07:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Dilbert.COM RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-30 11:21 -0400
                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:40 -0600
                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 06:19 -0500
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 12:51 +0000
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 08:05 -0600
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:18 +0000
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:20 -0600
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:24 +0000
                                                    I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 09:46 -0700
                                                      Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
                                                      Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:12 -0700
                                                      Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:11 -0600
                                                        Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:26 +0100
                                                          Re: I don't trust programmers who knock #define | goto. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:54 +0000
                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:32 -0500
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:51 -0500
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 22:06 +0100
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0500
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:09 -0600
                                                            ## is a godsend. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 21:29 -0700
                                                              Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 01:52 -0700
                                                                Re: ## is a godsend. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 10:56 +0000
                                                                  "z1.CPP" ain't no "Dilbert.COM".OopsOops Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 08:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: ## is a godsend. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 12:59 -0700
                                                              Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:31 -0600
                                                                Improving "z1.CPP" is a pure joy. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:24 -0700
                                                                Re: ## is a godsend. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: ## is a godsend. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:35 -0600
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:15 +0100
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 11:11 -0500
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:43 +0000
                                                                "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 09:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:21 -0600
                                                                    How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:40 -0700
                                                                      Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:44 +0100
                                                                        Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:42 -0500
                                                                          Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:36 +0000
                                                                          The Covid cult liberated me from my shackles. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 09:18 -0700
                                                                      Re: How do you think I kept my 30 year "gig" ? Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: "Dilbert.COM" has to be "readable". Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:56 -0400
                                                                      My code was forked. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 12:03 -0700
                                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:18 -0600
                                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 00:46 +0100
                                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:34 -0600
                                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:28 +0000
                                                                    No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 20:27 -0700
                                                                      Re: No one here cares about what my code actually *does*. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 10:40 +0100
                                                            One huge routine. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 09:17 -0700
                                                              Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
                                                                Max sucks dicks. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 10:04 -0700
                                                                  Re: Max sucks dicks. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:27 +0000
                                                                Re: One huge routine. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:27 -0600
                                                                  Re: One huge routine. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:30 +0000
                                                              Re: One huge routine. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 15:30 -0500
                                                                Macros & Muscle Memory keep it simple. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 13:47 -0700
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-01 16:15 -0500
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 16:55 -0500
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:00 +0100
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 13:04 -0700
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:43 -0600
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0500
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 08:09 -0600
                                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 12:42 -0500
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 21:15 -0600
                                                          Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 21:36 -0700
                                                            Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 05:04 +0000
                                                              Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 06:44 -0500
                                                            Re: Whitespace & Comments indicates _problems_. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:05 +0100
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:03 +0100
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:07 -0600
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 08:56 +0100
                                                          "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 09:10 -0700
                                                            Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:29 +0100
                                                              People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 09:40 -0700
                                                                Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 16:45 +0000
                                                                  Cheating. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 09:55 -0700
                                                                    Re: Cheating. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-02 13:30 -0500
                                                                      Your "Up" is my "Down". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:45 -0700
                                                                    Re: Cheating. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 15:32 -0400
                                                                      Re: Cheating. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 14:43 -0500
                                                                        Me, my daughter, and my son. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 13:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 16:50 -0500
                                                                          Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-02 16:51 -0500
                                                                          Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:36 +0000
                                                                            Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-02 22:17 -0400
                                                                              Re: Me, my daughter, and my son. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 03:26 +0100
                                                                      My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 13:03 -0700
                                                                        Re: My kids were born blonde and blue-eyed. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:34 +0000
                                                                          I was blonde, when younger. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 20:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:16 -0500
                                                                                Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
                                                                                  Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:04 -0500
                                                                                    Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:11 +0000
                                                                                      Re: I was blonde, when younger. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:31 -0500
                                                                                        Re: I was blonde, when younger. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:53 +0000
                                                                                  Re: I was blonde, when younger. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:42 -0500
                                                                                    Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 12:08 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-03 21:35 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 22:46 -0500
                                                                                            Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 21:13 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:37 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-04 03:38 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 14:02 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-04 19:26 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 20:19 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-04 22:18 -0400
                                                                                                          Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 21:39 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 21:35 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-05 11:53 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 12:31 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-05 13:57 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-05 13:10 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 16:06 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Organisms pick & choose from the DNA smorgasbord. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-05 13:06 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Tell me you don't like "Former U.S.S.R." girls of Nordic origin ! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-04 03:25 -0400
                                                                    Re: Cheating. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:25 +0000
                                                                      I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 20:14 -0700
                                                                        Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 23:26 -0500
                                                                          Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 21:45 -0700
                                                                            Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:51 +0000
                                                                              Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:18 -0500
                                                                                Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:35 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:10 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:13 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 19:52 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:18 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2021-10-03 20:39 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Helmut Achterberg <"Helmut Achterberg"@localonly.com> - 2021-10-03 21:21 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:48 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:46 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-03 19:53 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:33 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:54 +0000
                                                                            Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 01:05 -0500
                                                                              Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 09:09 -0700
                                                                                Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:18 -0600
                                                                                  Seattle's not big on tolerance. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 11:38 -0700
                                                                                Re: Seattle hates smokers with a deep passion. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:18 +0000
                                                                              Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 12:03 -0600
                                                                                Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 21:46 -0500
                                                                            Re: Ny ex-wife wanted 4 more kids, I didn't. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:55 -0600
                                                                          Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:50 +0100
                                                                            Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:55 +0000
                                                                              TFZ is better then Face-To-Face sex. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 09:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                                                                            Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 19:01 -0500
                                                                        Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 04:49 +0000
                                                                          Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 00:15 -0500
                                                                            Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 10:34 +0000
                                                                              Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:01 -0500
                                                                                Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 19:10 +0000
                                                                                  Life is everything, yet nothing. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 12:17 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Life is everything, yet nothing. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:00 +0000
                                                                                  Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 18:30 -0500
                                                                                    Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:52 +0000
                                                                            Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:56 +0100
                                                                              Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. Ayaz Siddiqi <ayaz.s.siddiqi@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 07:16 -0700
                                                                              Re: I did _not_ believe she'd do it. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-03 10:14 -0500
                                                                Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 13:33 -0500
                                                                  The loans-to-deposits ratio is insane, nothing a banker would want. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 11:56 -0700
                                                                  Re: People like me, who work 30 years on a job, aren't cheating. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:55 -0600
                                                            Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: "Permies" aren't script kiddies. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 11:35 -0600
                                                              My work got done joyously. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:28 -0700
                                                                Re: My work got done joyously. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:31 +0000
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:44 -0600
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:50 +0100
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:55 -0600
                                                            Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 12:15 -0700
                                                              Re: Recursion makes good algorithms & bad implementations. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 01:33 +0000
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 17:35 -0500
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 22:08 -0600
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 00:12 -0500
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-03 11:47 +0100
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 11:49 -0600
                                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 20:02 -0500
                                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 19:47 -0600
                                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 23:50 -0500
                                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:54 -0600
                                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 00:08 -0500
                                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 05:12 +0000
                                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 01:51 -0500
                                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 06:56 +0000
                                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:28 -0500
                                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 20:18 +0000
                                                                                Needle hungry people. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-05 12:01 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Needle hungry people. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 20:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Needle hungry people. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 15:57 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Needle hungry people. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-06 07:05 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Needle hungry people. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 11:00 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Needle hungry people. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-10-06 13:50 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Needle hungry people. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 13:12 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Needle hungry people. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 21:47 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Needle hungry people. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-07 12:02 -0500
                                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 07:59 -0600
                                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 13:15 -0500
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 15:07 -0700
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 22:11 +0000
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 17:47 -0700
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:37 -0600
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-02 18:58 -0500
                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:26 +0000
                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:57 -0600
                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:19 +0000
                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-01 19:22 +0100
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:37 +0000
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:16 -0600
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:44 +0100
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:49 -0600
                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 09:38 -0500
                                              10 instances of my "C/C++ console" running simultaneously. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 07:51 -0700
                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:08 -0500
                                                  Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-30 11:55 -0400
                                                    Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 11:23 -0500
                                                      Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-30 13:48 -0400
                                                        Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 16:45 -0500
                                                          Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-09-30 19:11 -0400
                                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 19:40 -0500
                                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:16 -0600
                                                                Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 01:31 -0700
                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 13:31 -0500
                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:38 +0000
                                                                      Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:28 -0600
                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-02 02:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 15:14 -0500
                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-03 20:31 +0000
                                                                          Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 16:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 17:05 -0500
                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 22:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 18:05 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 00:18 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 20:10 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 01:12 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 22:31 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 03:34 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 22:54 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 03:57 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 23:10 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 09:22 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 12:37 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 20:26 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-05 20:15 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 22:22 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-05 21:47 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 11:02 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-05 07:54 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 12:45 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-05 20:17 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 22:12 -0500
                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 20:13 -0600
                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 02:21 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-04 21:35 -0600
                                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 03:56 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-04 23:53 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 09:23 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 13:11 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 20:30 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 16:37 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-05 21:43 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 18:35 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-06 00:07 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-05 20:24 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-05 22:09 -0500
                                                                          Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 20:43 -0600
                                                                            Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-04 04:57 +0000
                                                                        Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-03 20:28 -0600
                                                                    Re: Every cult begins with a shaky premise. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 18:13 -0500
                                                                      You don't have to explain speed to me, Clutterfreak. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 16:28 -0700
                                                                        Re: You don't have to explain speed to me, Clutterfreak. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 17:39 -0500
                                                                          When the walls fall, the wars start. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 17:56 -0700
                                                                          Two 20 year-olds, sleeping together. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-03 18:51 -0700
                                                                Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-03 15:02 -0500
                                                          I'm 49 % introvert & 51 % extrovert. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 17:36 -0700
                                                            Re: I'm 49 % introvert & 51 % extrovert. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 19:58 -0500
                                                    How is it that Google Groups gets it right ?! Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 17:17 -0700
                                                      Re: How is it that Google Groups gets it right ?! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 21:02 -0500
                                                        Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 19:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 01:58 -0500
                                                            Re: Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-01 03:23 -0400
                                                              Re: Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 02:59 -0500
                                                                Re: Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-01 03:09 -0500
                                                                Borrowing a "Subject:" line. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 01:47 -0700
                                                              I created Phy_Regs about 10 years ago, not yesterday. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-01 01:04 -0700
                                                          Re: Phy_Regs does what _I_ want, not what you want. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-01 12:22 -0400
                                                      Re: How is it that Jeff Relf gets it wrong?! Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-10-01 11:50 -0400
                                              Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 08:03 -0700
                                                Re: Thunderbird can be made to run "right" ( however you want it ). Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-30 10:14 -0500
                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-09-30 10:36 -0500
                                            Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 18:25 +0000
                                              FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-09-30 16:16 -0700
                                                Re: FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages. ivan <ivan@mail.ru> - 2021-10-05 14:00 +0200
                                                  FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-05 11:02 -0700
                                                    Re: FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time. Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> - 2021-10-05 18:23 +0000
                                                    Postfix notation. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-06 09:46 -0700
                                                      Re: Postfix notation. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-10-06 12:02 -0500
                                                      Re: Postfix notation. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 12:57 -0500
                                                        BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-06 12:40 -0700
                                                          Re: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-10-06 15:27 -0500
                                                          Re: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 20:26 -0500
                                                            Clutterfreak's "mind". Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-06 18:55 -0700
                                                              Re: Clutterfreak's "mind". Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-06 21:08 -0500
                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-09-30 19:52 -0500
                                              Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
                                  Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:07 -0600
                                    Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:26 +0100
                                      Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:59 -0600
                                        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:04 +0100
                                    Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 10:57 -0500
                                      Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 12:01 -0500
                                        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 20:04 +0100
                                          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 15:03 -0500
                                            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:48 -0600
                                          Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:39 -0600
                                        Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 14:11 -0500
                                          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 20:29 +0100
                                            Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 17:56 -0500
                                              Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 21:00 -0600
                                                Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:03 +0100
                                                  Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 08:06 -0600
                                                    Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 20:23 +0100
                                                      Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 20:11 -0600
                                                      Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-01 17:43 +0000
                                                        Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-10-01 18:21 +0000
                                                        Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-01 20:13 -0600
                                                          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 09:42 +0100
                                                            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 12:46 -0600
                                                              while(1) Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-10-02 11:56 -0700
                                                          Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-02 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: Linux Crashing Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 14:51 -0400
                                                              Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-10-02 21:22 -0600
                                                              Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-10-03 17:31 +0000
                                                      Re: Linux Crashing Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-02 15:07 -0400
                                        Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:27 -0600
                                      Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 20:14 -0600
                                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 08:02 -0600
                                  Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 15:09 +0100
                                    Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:48 -0600
                          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 00:37 -0500
                            Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:57 +0100
                          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100
                        Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-29 11:55 +0100
                        Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-29 06:25 -0500
                          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-29 11:50 -0500
                          Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-29 19:40 -0600
                            Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@icloud.com> - 2021-09-30 01:43 +0000
                              Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-30 07:48 -0600
                          Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-29 23:53 -0700
                            Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-30 12:06 +0100
                Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 07:49 -0600
                  Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 11:37 -0500
    Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:36 -0400
    Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 09:37 -0400
    Re: Linux Crashing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-09-27 09:25 -0500
    Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 09:50 -0700
      Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 18:33 +0100
        Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 11:55 -0700
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:43 -0500
            Re: Linux Crashing The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-09-27 14:51 -0700
              Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 17:05 -0500
        Re: Linux Crashing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-27 21:31 +0100
          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 12:57 +0100
            Re: Linux Crashing Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-09-28 19:03 +0000
        Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 15:38 -0500
          Re: Linux Crashing RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-09-27 21:44 -0400
            Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 22:50 -0500
          Re: Linux Crashing The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-28 13:00 +0100
        Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-27 20:27 -0600
          Re: Linux Crashing "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 19:29 -0700
          Re: Linux Crashing Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-09-27 23:22 -0500
            Re: Linux Crashing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-09-28 07:42 -0600
    Re: Linux Crashing Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-09-27 14:31 -0500
    Re: Linux Crashing Branimir Maksimovic <branimir.maksimovic@gmail.com> - 2021-09-28 05:21 +0000

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#833789 — Re: FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time.

FromSteve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none>
Date2021-10-05 18:23 +0000
SubjectRe: FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time.
Message-ID<sji56q$p0d$1@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#833783
On 2021-10-05, Jeff-Relf.Me  @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote:
> You ("ivan") replied ( to me ):
>> > FORTH, C & C++, in that order, have advantages.
>> 
>> why FORTH
>
> FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time.

Time keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'
Into the future

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEVmaShI0Z0>

> Change the extension of a .PDF file to .TXT &
> you'll see PostScript, a FORTH variant.

Weak ;)

> That alone makes it more ubiquitous than JavaScript.

"All your are base belong to us" - (written by the author of TypeScript?)

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#833843 — Postfix notation.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2021-10-06 09:46 -0700
SubjectPostfix notation.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.6--9.46am.Seattle.2021>
In reply to#833783
You (DFS) replied ( to me ):
> > FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time.
> > PostScript, a FORTH variant.
> 
> No.  "Although the Design System language and its successors bear a 
> superficial resemblance to the FORTH programming language, their 
> conception and development were entirely independent of FORTH."
> https://archive.org/details/postscriptlangua00adob/page/n7/mode/2up

Fine, postfix notation is closer to how computers actually work,
behind the scenes.

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#833844 — Re: Postfix notation.

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2021-10-06 12:02 -0500
SubjectRe: Postfix notation.
Message-ID<lclrlgd7pu33p8b6a8cg95g6niiih404do@4ax.com>
In reply to#833843
>> https://archive.org/details/postscriptlangua00adob/page/n7/mode/2up

What a tease!  They allow you to read a few pages only (without
signing up or something).  I was ready to geek-out and read all about
postscript!

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#833849 — Re: Postfix notation.

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-06 12:57 -0500
SubjectRe: Postfix notation.
Message-ID<sjko1i$39i$1@solani.org>
In reply to#833843
On 10/6/2021 11:46 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> You (DFS) replied ( to me ):
>>> FORTH is close to the metal & has stood the test of time.
>>> PostScript, a FORTH variant.
>>
>> No.  "Although the Design System language and its successors bear a
>> superficial resemblance to the FORTH programming language, their
>> conception and development were entirely independent of FORTH."
>> https://archive.org/details/postscriptlangua00adob/page/n7/mode/2up
> 
> Fine, postfix notation is closer to how computers actually work,
> behind the scenes.
> 


"14 day loan required to access EPUB and PDF files."

Talking about bad habits. They have to pay us to read and use that book! 
Lot's of bad habits in this nation.

If I spend one minute in usenet, it's been for charity. Otherwise you'd 
have to pay! Don't forget that.


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#833863 — BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2021-10-06 12:40 -0700
SubjectBigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.6--0.40pm.Seattle.2021>
In reply to#833849
Clutterfreak:
> If I spend one minute on usenet, it's been for charity.

We don't need you to tell us how evil White people are;
BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.

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#833868 — Re: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2021-10-06 15:27 -0500
SubjectRe: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.
Message-ID<is6f5oFf2upU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#833863
On 10/6/2021 2:40 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Clutterfreak:
>> If I spend one minute on usenet, it's been for charity.
> 
> We don't need you to tell us how evil White people are;
> BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.

Could Ckutterfreak be narcissistic? His statement above sure sounds like
it.

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#833875 — Re: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-06 20:26 -0500
SubjectRe: BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.
Message-ID<sjlicd$oik$1@solani.org>
In reply to#833863
On 10/6/2021 2:40 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> We don't need you to tell us how evil White people are


Why would you say something like that. I said your code was substandard. 
That doesn't mean you're quite evil.

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#833880 — Clutterfreak's "mind".

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2021-10-06 18:55 -0700
SubjectClutterfreak's "mind".
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.6--6.55pm.Seattle.2021>
In reply to#833875
You (Clutterfreak) replied ( to me ):
> > We don't need you to tell us how evil White people are
> > BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.
> 
> Why would you say something like that.

The failings of white people is thee only topic on your "mind".

> I said your code was substandard. 

Based on what, pure ignorance ? 

You don't know what the object code does &
you can't read the source code.

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#833881 — Re: Clutterfreak's "mind".

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-10-06 21:08 -0500
SubjectRe: Clutterfreak's "mind".
Message-ID<sjlkqp$ovo$1@solani.org>
In reply to#833880
On 10/6/2021 8:55 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> You (Clutterfreak) replied ( to me ):
>>> We don't need you to tell us how evil White people are
>>> BigTech, BigMedia & BigGovernment did it first.
>>
>> Why would you say something like that.
> 
> The failings of white people is thee only topic on your "mind".
> 
>> I said your code was substandard.
> 
> Based on what, pure ignorance ?
> 
> You don't know what the object code does &
> you can't read the source code.
> 


The only topic on my mind? No I have many other scientific interests.

What am I ignorant about as far as your code is concerned? Do I need to 
understand it? Its output shows it's got bugs.


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#833374 — Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++.

FromSerg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Date2021-09-30 19:52 -0500
SubjectRe: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++.
Message-ID<sj5m40$10ka$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#833357
On 9/30/2021 1:25 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-09-30, Jeff-Relf.Me  @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote:
>> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++;
>> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code.
> You are just advanced, but make mistake. C and C++ are not
> languages for advanced :P
> You guessed it FOrth is one of THEM :P
> 

nope, FORTH is DOA, no way to troubleshoot it, its a stack machine

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#833390 — Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++.

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2021-09-30 21:18 -0600
SubjectRe: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++.
Message-ID<irnd0oFi2e2U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#833357
On 09/30/2021 12:25 PM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2021-09-30, Jeff-Relf.Me  @. <Jeff-Relf.Me@> wrote:
>> I think in FORTH & program in C/C++;
>> naturally, people freak out when they see my source code.
> You are just advanced, but make mistake. C and C++ are not
> languages for advanced :P
> You guessed it FOrth is one of THEM :P
>

Probably misquoting slightly but Stroustrup on C++ 'It makes it 
difficult to shoot yourself in the foot. When you do, you blow your 
entire leg off.'

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#833250

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2021-09-29 08:07 -0600
Message-ID<irja8aFonjiU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#833245
On 09/29/2021 05:31 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>
>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I
>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store
>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave
>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals,
>> books, everything.
>
> Cool!
>
>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in
>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In
>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business depts.
>
> My college programming classes used Pascal.  EE curriculum.
>

I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic language 
and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some bucks writing 
dll's so Pascal could talk to real world instrumentation, robotic arms, 
and so forth.

The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer 
language only good for telling itself secrets' .

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#833253

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-09-29 15:26 +0100
Message-ID<sj1t2g$c5$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#833250
On 29/09/2021 15:07, rbowman wrote:
> On 09/29/2021 05:31 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I
>>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store
>>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave
>>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals,
>>> books, everything.
>>
>> Cool!
>>
>>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in
>>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In
>>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business 
>>> depts.
>>
>> My college programming classes used Pascal.  EE curriculum.
>>
> 
> I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic language 
> and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some bucks writing 
> dll's so Pascal could talk to real world instrumentation, robotic arms, 
> and so forth.
> 
> The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer 
> language only good for telling itself secrets' .

It was rubbish for real world stuff. You had to compromise it to do 
anything. C was designed from the outset to be useful, and I still 
revere it, with all its shortcomings. On a small memory machine it is 
absolutely the bees knees.


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name. They must face the full meaning of that which they are advocating 
or condoning; the full, exact, specific meaning of collectivism, of its 
logical implications, of the principles upon which it is based, and of 
the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must 
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

Ayn Rand.

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#833296

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2021-09-29 19:59 -0600
Message-ID<irkjvbF1r5eU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#833253
On 09/29/2021 08:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/09/2021 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>> On 09/29/2021 05:31 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I
>>>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment store
>>>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and gave
>>>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals,
>>>> books, everything.
>>>
>>> Cool!
>>>
>>>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in
>>>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In
>>>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business
>>>> depts.
>>>
>>> My college programming classes used Pascal.  EE curriculum.
>>>
>>
>> I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic
>> language and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some
>> bucks writing dll's so Pascal could talk to real world
>> instrumentation, robotic arms, and so forth.
>>
>> The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer
>> language only good for telling itself secrets' .
>
> It was rubbish for real world stuff. You had to compromise it to do
> anything. C was designed from the outset to be useful, and I still
> revere it, with all its shortcomings. On a small memory machine it is
> absolutely the bees knees.
>
>

When I put BDS C on my Osborne 1 I was in tall cotton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDS_C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1

When I'd go into a client's site they would have some sort of weird 
lashup and crappy tools. With the Osborne I had all my assemblers, 
compilers, editors, and so forth ready to go in a portable environment. 
Well, sort of portable. It was 25 pounds but I was younger then. I even 
did a hardware hack to use the parallel port to burn EPROMs. It paid 
back the $1800 many times over.

The Osborne Executive fizzled but when the Boston Globe was selling 
theirs as they migrated to PC's I bought 2.

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#833319

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-09-30 12:04 +0100
Message-ID<sj45jk$spr$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#833296
On 30/09/2021 02:59, rbowman wrote:
> On 09/29/2021 08:26 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/09/2021 15:07, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 09/29/2021 05:31 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Commodore 64, it looks like, was already "vintage" in 1989. After I
>>>>> acquired the Commodores I began frequenting a computer assignment 
>>>>> store
>>>>> that sold people's old and new stuff and kept 30% of the money and 
>>>>> gave
>>>>> 70% to owners. It was a heaven for "vintage" parts, systems, manuals,
>>>>> books, everything.
>>>>
>>>> Cool!
>>>>
>>>>> I had found a funky half-finished C manual there in
>>>>> German coming with two disks for Commodore. That's how I learned C. In
>>>>> school everybody used Fortran in science depts and PL-1 in business
>>>>> depts.
>>>>
>>>> My college programming classes used Pascal.  EE curriculum.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic
>>> language and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some
>>> bucks writing dll's so Pascal could talk to real world
>>> instrumentation, robotic arms, and so forth.
>>>
>>> The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer
>>> language only good for telling itself secrets' .
>>
>> It was rubbish for real world stuff. You had to compromise it to do
>> anything. C was designed from the outset to be useful, and I still
>> revere it, with all its shortcomings. On a small memory machine it is
>> absolutely the bees knees.
>>
>>
> 
> When I put BDS C on my Osborne 1 I was in tall cotton.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDS_C
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1
> 
> When I'd go into a client's site they would have some sort of weird 
> lashup and crappy tools. With the Osborne I had all my assemblers, 
> compilers, editors, and so forth ready to go in a portable environment. 
> Well, sort of portable. It was 25 pounds but I was younger then. I even 
> did a hardware hack to use the parallel port to burn EPROMs. It paid 
> back the $1800 many times over.
> 
> The Osborne Executive fizzled but when the Boston Globe was selling 
> theirs as they migrated to PC's I bought 2.
> 
> 
I learnt C initially with BDS C and CP/M


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#833255

Fromchrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
Date2021-09-29 10:57 -0500
Message-ID<8j29lg5kteuqhn9o9ophsgfp7afi7o2894@4ax.com>
In reply to#833250
rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> My college programming classes used Pascal.  EE curriculum.
>
>I loved Pascal. The University of Maine used it for a didactic language 
>and many of the new engineering hires used it. I made some bucks writing 
>dll's so Pascal could talk to real world instrumentation, robotic arms, 
>and so forth.
>
>The original, pure design by Wirth was characterized as 'a computer 
>language only good for telling itself secrets' .

I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like.
I probably should have gotten a job programming, because I've always
enjoyed doing it.

Programming with Pascal was certainly a good learning experience.  I'd
done a lot of programming previously (even for a living), mostly in
BASIC.  But I really learned how to program "correctly" (well
structured, etc) in college with Pascal.

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to determine if the code functions correctly.  You're one of the few
idiots who thinks otherwise."  -  DumFSck, lying shamelessly

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#833259

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-29 12:01 -0500
Message-ID<sj2655$ipg$1@solani.org>
In reply to#833255
On 9/29/2021 10:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
> I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like.


I don't like javascript. Period. It's got real problems. By the time it 
was developed, programming languages had migrated from creators who were 
essentially scientists to two-bit little "engineers" who'd packed those 
desk jobs by then, creating newer ones. Complements of Reagan era.

To this day all real businesses are run by programming languages that 
were already invented before the wave of "Engineers" arrived and fucked 
everything up.




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#833269

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-09-29 20:04 +0100
Message-ID<sj2dbh$5nm$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#833259
On 29/09/2021 18:01, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 9/29/2021 10:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like.
> 
> 
> I don't like javascript. Period. It's got real problems. By the time it 
> was developed, programming languages had migrated from creators who were 
> essentially scientists to two-bit little "engineers" who'd packed those 
> desk jobs by then, creating newer ones. Complements of Reagan era.
> 
Er no, wriong way around programming languages had migrated from 
creators who were essentially engineers to two-bit little "computer 
science-tits  who'd packed those desk jobs by then, creating newer ones.

> To this day all real businesses are run by programming languages that 
> were already invented before the wave of "Engineers" arrived and fucked 
> everything up.
> 
C was written by engineers and mathematicians
Assembler was written by engineers
COBOL was written by a mathematician
C++ was written by a computer scientist.
Java was written by computer scientists as was Javascript

The worst person to employ in IT is a computer scientist.
The best people are mathematicians and software engineers.

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#833278

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-09-29 15:03 -0500
Message-ID<sj2gq9$ljp$1@solani.org>
In reply to#833269
On 9/29/2021 2:04 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/09/2021 18:01, Clutterfreak wrote:
>> On 9/29/2021 10:57 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> I can't say that I've met a programming language that I didn't like.
>>
>>
>> I don't like javascript. Period. It's got real problems. By the time 
>> it was developed, programming languages had migrated from creators who 
>> were essentially scientists to two-bit little "engineers" who'd packed 
>> those desk jobs by then, creating newer ones. Complements of Reagan era.
>>
> Er no, wriong way around programming languages had migrated from 
> creators who were essentially engineers to two-bit little "computer 
> science-tits  who'd packed those desk jobs by then, creating newer ones.
> 
>> To this day all real businesses are run by programming languages that 
>> were already invented before the wave of "Engineers" arrived and 
>> fucked everything up.
>>
> C was written by engineers and mathematicians
> Assembler was written by engineers
> COBOL was written by a mathematician
> C++ was written by a computer scientist.
> Java was written by computer scientists as was Javascript
> 
> The worst person to employ in IT is a computer scientist.
> The best people are mathematicians and software engineers.
> 



I (and I suppose Chrisv as well) was talking about programming 
languages, not something whose little ass is tied to "web browsers". 
What's "web browsing" and web itself got to do with programming? As a 
programming language javascript sucks. It's truly just for "engineers."

Google is not run by "chrome" :-( It is run by computers with C++ codes 
running on them round the clock. Google is absolutely helpless with 
anything other than C++. The moment they use one of "Engineers"' funky 
choices instead, they'd have to enlarge the size and number of buildings 
they keep the computers in by at least a factor of 10 because they'd 
have to increase the number of computers by a factor of 10 :-(  Even 
Google cannot afford that.

Programming has been around since 1940s. It feeds on the need to compute 
solutions to scientific problems. Web browsing is something totally 
unrelated that began in 1990s so malodorous teenagers with their dicks 
in their hands could find porn with :) Yeah you need "engineers" for 
that side of realities.

Hahaha :)

Well, programming I guess means different things to different people. 
When I looked into javascript some 20 years back it was pure shit as a 
programming language. I don't know what it is today and I don't even 
want to know. But back then it was lunacy, pure masochism, to use 
javascript to program.





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#833301

Fromrbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Date2021-09-29 20:48 -0600
Message-ID<irkmr4F2b21U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#833278
On 09/29/2021 02:03 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> Well, programming I guess means different things to different people.
> When I looked into javascript some 20 years back it was pure shit as a
> programming language. I don't know what it is today and I don't even
> want to know. But back then it was lunacy, pure masochism, to use
> javascript to program.
>

And then came node.js...   Given a choice of IIS, Apache, or node for a 
web server I'll take node any day for quick and dirty, nginx for serious 
work.

You may not like it and I may not like it, but browsers, Android, and 
iOS is where it's at.

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