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| Started by | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| First post | 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700 |
| Last post | 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700 |
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Who will take Russia's Far East ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 02:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 01:30 -0700
smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-07 01:53 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 04:59 -0500
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-10-07 12:24 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 04:16 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 04:41 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 16:06 -0500
Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-13 19:53 -0700
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 22:38 -0500
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 21:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 15:26 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 17:52 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 02:14 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 00:46 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-08 18:42 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 19:59 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-09 01:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 00:24 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-12 15:32 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 11:55 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-13 14:06 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:17 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 11:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 18:02 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 03:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:22 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 22:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-12 16:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 17:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Willian Ravenna <ewin@arnaanva.ne> - 2022-10-12 23:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 19:11 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 01:48 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 23:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:03 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 22:35 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 12:41 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-16 12:31 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-16 16:45 +0000
Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 13:51 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:14 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 00:45 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 01:05 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 17:01 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-18 00:19 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 14:32 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-19 14:47 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 15:17 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-17 01:45 -0400
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 14:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-19 19:40 +0000
Dictators subsidize the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-16 09:54 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 14:04 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 16:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-18 20:43 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 19:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 01:24 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 00:01 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 15:18 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 18:07 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 22:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-25 20:58 -0400
Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-25 18:33 -0700
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 02:02 +0000
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 19:34 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 18:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-26 16:22 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 15:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 06:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 08:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-30 16:29 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 02:02 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 11:46 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:55 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 16:26 +0000
Jewish Ukraine is LGBTQ+ friendly & Putin is mimicking Hitler. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-30 14:36 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:37 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 17:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Franz Salucci <uiin@cestales.ml> - 2022-10-31 10:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:32 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 13:51 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:57 +0000
Too many dictators. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 03:02 -0700
Re: Too many dictators. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 10:48 -0400
Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 08:23 -0700
Re: Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:36 +0000
Too weak to care ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 09:20 -0700
Too many kooks chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2022-10-20 17:19 -0500
Re: Too many kooks % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 16:16 -0700
Re: Too many kooks Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 04:59 -0700
Re: Too many kooks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:44 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 00:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 23:11 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 19:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 18:18 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-20 00:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 23:23 -0700
Dictatorships rule. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-19 01:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 03:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 05:09 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:19 -0700
The damage done to Russia's Crimean bridge. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 02:08 -0700
Come 2024... "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 15:00 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 22:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 04:08 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfit Freak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 23:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-11 00:44 +0200
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Donald Richardson <drich@hotmail.net> - 2022-10-08 10:20 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 19:31 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? He <enihcamgnimag@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-19 09:48 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Shining star <he12091983@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700
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| From | Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> |
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| Date | 2022-10-19 19:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tipjqu$3opl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #863217 |
JanPB wrote: >> The "uKies" are turning over your people heads. they did it in the >> past. >> You are fool. Better shut the fuck up. You are disgusting. > > Sorry, first Putin leaves Ukraine. And as your posts are concerned: > an invader's supporter automatically forfeits the right to discuss the > moral spine of the victim. As I said, actions have consequences: > you choose your Putin as your blowup doll, you sleep with it. It was > your choice, now face it. it's the Russian army, not "Puting", you fucking lying propaganda bitch, protecting the Russian people under genocide in that region since 2014. Are you really so fucking stupid, not protecting the polakers under genocide in the fucking NOT existent fictitious oligarch stolen country called "uKraine". and yes, the putina is a traitor, an *young_global_leader*, willingly destroying his country. Nobody can explain how the fucking nazi "uKraine" still has running an "information" network, massmedia, TV, radion, electricity and railways transporting the crap armament from the nazi western europe. The putina did NOTHING with his so many *red_lines*. He shall be replaced rapidly, so you nazi wankers get what you deserve. You blew up *european_energy* gas pipelines, you stinking nazi. It comes to you, and can't fucking escape.
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| From | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 09:54 -0700 |
| Subject | Dictators subsidize the military industrial complex. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.16--9.54am.Seattle.2022> |
| In reply to | #863104 |
Dictators subsidize the military industrial complex; Ukraine is just collateral damage. Dictators subsidize BigPharma & BigTech, including Bill Gates & Jeff Bezos; "adverse effects" are just collateral damage.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 14:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jr32ujFnh6kU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #863104 |
On 10/16/2022 11:31 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: [...] > The Russian generals didn't want to give up their power. That's no different from the military purges driven by Stalin not very long before WW2 broke out, approximately 50% of the officer corps. Of course in the end it didn't make much difference whether the "old guard" or a new one was in power. Of course Stalin had it all together, where with Putin that might be seen as "not so much." [...]
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 15:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <49001e73-1bbe-4b2d-ac8f-ed35fa9682c9n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863104 |
On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 03:31:17 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/13/2022 6:16 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 03:41:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/13/2022 1:35 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 07:23:47 UTC+11, Volney wrote: > >>>> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>>>> On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>>>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > >>>>>>>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > >>>>>>>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > >>>>>>>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > >>>>>> I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > >>>>>> bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > >>>>>> more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > >>>>>> Russia is. > >>>>> > >>>>> Not bogus reasons. As you won't see nor hear what you don't want to see and hear, there is no point wasting time upon you, but as you are not the only guy here listening, I will say what is what. > >>>>> You go live with your biases, unless you grow up and hear the Russian side of the story, for a balanced outlook. > >>>> I have looked at the Russian side. Lies, misinformation and > >>>> disinformation. Double standards galore. Bombing the bridge is > >>>> "terrorism" according to them yet they retaliate by firing a bunch of > >>>> missiles at civilian targets. > >>> > >>> NATO or rather UK did that, according to Youtube sources. > >>> Yes, bad luck for the Ukrainians to be so bombed and driven out. > >>> But the whole area has been violent for centuries, nothing new. > >>> If anything Putin is a kindly invader, goes away when civilians are used as shields by the armed forces hiding behind them. > >>> > >>>>> Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, as per some prior agreements, but they wanted to join NATO. > >>>> There was no such agreement. > >>> > >>> Apparently there was, as per the Russian FM. He talks about the Minsk agreements. > >>> > >>>> NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, there is no reason for Russia to fear > >>>> it unless it plans to invade neighbors. Which is what happened. > >>> > >>> NATO should not exist, after the cold war. Russia should be a part of it if it has to exist - against, say, hostile aliens. > >>> NATO is not defensive. They have been arming the Ukranians for 8 years after the coup. > >>> They can go on the offense in a flash, as it suits them. Which it did in the Middle East to keep the Arab states down. > >>> Why NATO? > >>> NATO is the military arm of the racist+bigoted capitalist pirates ruling the western nations, always desirous to suppress non-Western countries and steal their resources. > >>> > >>>>> There had been a civil war in the Donbass where 50000 Russian civilians had been killed. Things were OK until 2014, until foreign meaning US interference caused a coup, with a corrupt US puppet installed, with bloody results. The pro-Russian leader was ousted. Then the comedian Zelensky came to power by joking about the corruption. However under NATO direction he continued attacks on the Russian minorities and declared his intention to join NATO. That was very stupid, unless he was a US puppet. > >>>> So many Indians are Russian stooges, posting the exact same thing which > >>>> is Russian propaganda. > >>> > >>> What is wrong about their statements? > >> It's typical Russian lies, propaganda to try and fool the ignorant. > >> Russia managed to get a puppet installed in Ukraine (like in Belarus), > >> the Ukrainians revolted and threw him out (he fled to Russia), and held > >> fair elections and got a new leader. Later another election elected > >> Zelenskyy. After the revolt, Russia invaded and seized Crimea and part > >> of Donbass. > > > > The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a bloody coup. > No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a > coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated > impeachment against President Yanukovych when he fled. West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. > > The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with > the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The > Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. > > He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth > including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable > property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his > home area of Donbass. And what about the corruption level of his successor? Zelensky came to power mocking it all. He gave the impression of being honest. > > That much is well known, beyond dispute. > Nope. You have it twisted the Russian propaganda version. No, I have not twisted it. I have stated their story as retold by Indian sources and supported by Youtube comments. > > Also known is that the replacement was extremely corrupt. > Almost as corrupt as Yanukovych? He was the reason why Zelensky got elected, that corrupt. > > He continued with the anti-Russian activities of the earlier misgovernment. Very wrong and stupid too. > Considering Russia invaded Ukraine, is it any wonder that he was > anti-Russian? Russia did not invade Ukraine when Zelensky got power. They got Crimea as most people there are Russians. They just annexed it. Zelensky got the chance to make amends, but continued the past policy wrt Donbass region. > > Which gave Putin the reason or excuse to invade Ukraine, > A fake excuse. That is not what Prof Merisheimer thinks. Nor what Indian analysts think. Ukraine as a rogue state, spearhead for NATO invasion, was not on. > > much as Hitler invaded Poland to save persecuted German minorities. > You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? I am not doing that. I am pointing out the similarities.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 16:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8ee84db7-aee0-46cf-b3ea-deb593d5996bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863104 |
- snip - > You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? Wow, how can > anyone other than neo-Nazis do that? I am not *defending* ANY invasion. I am pointing out similarities and reasons. Any misfortune is the result of past bad karma. It would be bad karma on my part to support lies and suppress truth. Just as bad karma happens, misfortunes must happen. When individuals or societies do what they should not, they suffer sooner or later. > Shame on you!! That was an obvious > land grab by Nazi Germany and the USSR. Yes. Which could have been avoided, according to some historians. > I do note that Putler used Hitler's playbook and justified his invasion > the same way Hitler did, "protection of the German/Russian minority". So you must also be a neoNazi going by your own standards set for me. > > Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. > He was. > > But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. > Which is why the Ukrainians kicked Yanukovych out. US interfered in Ukraine politics, to install their puppet. How is Zelensky better than the Russian puppet? > > > >>> Capitalist pirates are good at dismissing facts with a brisk whisk of their piggy tails. > >>> Now they are making tons of money by sabotaging the gas pipeline! > >> More typical Russian propaganda. They do something and blame the other > >> side for doing it. Like blaming Ukrainians for their own war crimes in > >> Ukraine. Only some impartial agency can tell who killed whom, after proper investigation. Russians don't gain by torturing and killing Ukrainians. Ukrainians gain by torturing and killing suspected pro-Russia Russians in Ukraine. Motive is there. 'Similarly there is motive for US to blow up the pipeline. Price gouging! > > > > There is enough talk on youtube sources pointing out that the NATO/US sabotaged the pipeline. > Youtube as your source??? Not just the videos, but also the comments, yes. Youtube is a fantastic source, as it carries my revolutionary videos. > Good grief. It's typical Russian action, do > something outrageous and blame the opposition of doing it. No, it is US action to lie tremendously. Just look at you, how much you and other usans here have been lying about my works in physics. Russians value truth and morality, you lot value money and power. As for lies: The 911 for instance. The Moon landings, a hoax to many. I wonder about the depth of the footprints, caused by some 120Kg weight on Arizona desert to look at. Rather than 15Kg on Moon. > > For the US will get money from EU by hiking the prices enormously. Gouging. > > Watch the money to find the criminal. > Any gouging will be by OPEC/the oil companies and so forth. We're > already paying much more for gas in the US. The US won't profit from that. The public is getting screwed by the oil/gas fatcats and their henchpersons. They are too stupid to understand this. They still are fascinated by Reagan's trickle-down notions. What is trickling down is not money to them, by danger and infamy, while they are paying high prices for everything. They have to understand, that all their money is going to some pockets which are not theirs. > >>> > >>>>> Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? > >>>> Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter > >>>> the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New > >>>> Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old > >>>> Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia > >>>> proper. > >>> > >>> How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? > >> Russia had nukes! Plus much of the Red Army. Russia was a danger as long > >> as it was possible for those to fall into the wrong hands [<cough> Putin]. > > > > Had they joined NATO their nukes would have been as the nukes are of France and UK. > Maybe, if Russia ever met NATO requirements to join. That Putler was > able to take over and establish his dictatorship shows that Russia > certainly was not ready. Putin is officially elected. He is not a dictator. He is a very popular politician who has done wonders for Russia. Yes, another similarity between Hitler and Putin. > > As an ally, they would not attack Europe. > What would have happened if Russia joined NATO and Putler took over and > started acting on his ambitions? An interesting alternate universe. Nonsense. Putin has not shown the slightest interest in attacking any NATO country. He could not have attacked Ukraine if both were part of NATO. > > Not dangerous at all, the nukes of France and UK, are they. > Of course they are dangerous. But the odds of France or the UK going > rogue and misusing them are quite small. Ditto for Russia. They have not used nukes unlike US. It was never part of USSR policy to strike past. That was NATO policy. > > Why should Russian nukes be any different. > > If Russia joined NATO, nukes could have been abolished all over. > > No wars, no invasions. > Wouldn't have happened before Russia got Putin. If Russia was part of NATO and EU they would all have done well. Question is, why this mess? The answer is that some greedy people in the West want to loot Russia's resources for their own pockets. And they use NATO for doing that. They will feed the voters with the trickle-down, from robbery. > >>> Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. > >>> If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. > >> Russia actually tried joining but didn't meet the requirements. > > > >> What would have happened if NATO member Russia fell under Putin and he > >> wanted to go empire building like he's trying to do now? Interesting > >> thought. He is getting back what belongs to him, as he thinks. Redrawing boundaries, because he can. The whole idea behind EU was to stop the redrawing of boundaries with war. EU put a stop to that. But neither Russian nor Ukraine are part of EU, let alone NATO. So it is a question of might. Whoever is stronger, wins. International politics works like that. > > Putin is not building empires. > He most certainly is! He wanted to restore the Soviet Union/become the > new Peter the Great. He tried to annex all of Ukraine, Moldova certainly > was next, then he had his eyes on Poland and the Baltic states. Who > knows how he would have tried to do that, an outright attack would > trigger NATO Article 5. He will get half of Ukraine, Odessa, Kharkov, the Transnistria, yes, once he gets going. Putin will have a neutral Ukraine, halved. Whatever not covered by NATO he cannot get. The USSR will not come back, as they do not like Marx any more, but Putin will create a bigger, better Russia, yes. The hope and darling of the thirdworld, Russia. > > He is protecting Russia from getting into the Yeltsin state of treachery and corruption, decay and dissolution. > So they now have the Putin state of treachery and corruption, decay and > dissolution. It is much better, as I understood after being in Russian for 7 nights. > > He understands that NATO is pure evil, as it rejected Russia. > "Pure evil"? You really lap up that Russian propaganda! Yes, that is what Putin probably thinks. > > NATO in Ukraine would mean threats, and replacing his honest and sincere nationalist self with some pet puppet of the West in Moscow, so as to loot Russia. > As a defensive alignment, NATO would be harmless to a peaceful Russia. Not at all, they have been arming Ukraine for 8 years and would have put missiles there to attack Moscow. NATO is the military arm of the West, can switch to offense in a nanosecond. Once Ukraine joined NATO, Putin could not attack Ukraine, just have a rogue armed state at his underbelly. An intolerable situation. No US President could allow that. In an similar situation they would have behaved exactly as Putin did. > >>> So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. > >> All I know is they didn't qualify. heh. They evidently had no chance. NATO is there to rob them, not help them. > > > > I know that NATO is evil and so could not exist with the good Russia. > Russia certainly is no longer "good", if they ever became good under > Yeltsin. Russians were good for the West under Yeltsin and his oligarchs, who robbed Russia enormously. NATO had to remain, for the robbery to continue. But Putin put a stop to that. > > That is why they could not let Russia in. > > If they did that, there would be in due course no point for their existence. > > The generals would lose their jobs, and the MI complex with their corrupt associates in govt. suffer. > > They don't want peace. They want war elsewhere to keep their jobs and perks. > Which is why Russia makes NATO to be "evil" as you put it. The Russian > generals didn't want to give up their power. They die bravely in battle unlike the US generals, who do make the other poor devil die for his country, but don't win wars with such clever ideas any more. > >>> > >>>>> Why is Russia not in NATO, so many of the former USSR states are. > >>>>> Answer, NATO represents the military arm of the criminal capitalist western countries who are always trying to grab what is not theirs. They wanted to grab Russia, and in fact everything they could, following their Roman-VIking-British-US piratical tendencies. > >>>>> And Russia stands for the exploited third world. > >>>> More propaganda. Are you one of the stooge posters, paid by Russia? Pre-paid, back in 1963-1972. Supporting them out of love and loyalty. > >>> > >>> To the twisted mind, as yours, in a twisted E.universe of lies, fact is fiction and fiction is fact. > >> More Russian propaganda, accuse the opponent of their own actions. > > > > I am talking of the quality of your twisted mind, which sees fiction as fact, and fact as fiction, as it suits. > > Very Einsteinian. > > > How could what I wrote be twisted? You wrote so many lies, such as Putin being a dictator. A twisted mind cannot but lie, as it cannot see any truth. I'll tell you what's twisted, trying > to link this situation to Einstein somehow. No, all situations go back to that bungler, who warped the whole universe with his wrong, silly theories! Thinking a lie is truth, as a basic construct, is a sore quality issue. That needs to be straightened. This is a physics ng, and the idea for me here is to get rid of the Einstein e=mcc=hv virus, by showing its toxic socio-political effects upon the brainwashed minds. Clean thinking will lead to great living. Cheers, Arindam Banerjee
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 20:43 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tinh6s$1teo$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
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On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. >> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with >> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The >> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. > > Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. >> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth >> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable >> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his >> home area of Donbass. > > And what about the corruption level of his successor? You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. >>> That much is well known, beyond dispute. >> Nope. You have it twisted the Russian propaganda version. > No, I have not twisted it. I have stated their story as retold by Indian sources and supported by Youtube comments. "Youtube comments"? Written by even more of those 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls, right? And I doubt those "Indian sources" are any better. >> You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? Wow, how can >> anyone other than neo-Nazis do that? > > I am not *defending* ANY invasion. > I am pointing out similarities and reasons. Pointing out similarities to Hitler's evil in a positive way without condemning that evil is implicitly supporting that evil. > Any misfortune is the result of past bad karma. Blame the victim. And by blaming the victim, you're supporting the invasion and by comparison Hitler's evil. In WW2, what did the Jews do -- oh never mind, I'll probably just get a load of neonazi filth. > It would be bad karma on my part to support lies and suppress truth. > Just as bad karma happens, misfortunes must happen. > When individuals or societies do what they should not, they suffer sooner or later. Again, you are supporting the invasion, and by YOUR comparison, Hitler's evil. But you are probably fine with both, it's just white people killing white people, right? > >> Shame on you!! That was an obvious >> land grab by Nazi Germany and the USSR. > > Yes. Which could have been avoided, according to some historians. Yes, if Putler became a good leader and didn't become a megalomaniac dictator. > >> I do note that Putler used Hitler's playbook and justified his invasion >> the same way Hitler did, "protection of the German/Russian minority". > > So you must also be a neoNazi going by your own standards set for me. Wrong! Both Putin and Hitler are evil for what they are doing and their bogus justifications. Look up "Sudetenland" and compare to Crimea/Donbass. > >>> Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. >> He was. >>> But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. >> Which is why the Ukrainians kicked Yanukovych out. > US interfered in Ukraine politics, to install their puppet. > How is Zelensky better than the Russian puppet? He was trying to reduce the corruption which is why he (and Ukraine) were turning to the West. They could see that, relative to Russia, the west was prospering and in part due to less corruption. Right now, Zelensky is the Winston Churchill of Ukraine. Exactly what Ukraine needed at their time of crisis. I wonder how long Ukraine would have lasted if he bailed out and took that helicopter ride offered to him on the first day. > Only some impartial agency can tell who killed whom, after proper investigation. More Russian troll talk. The answer is already obvious and known. > Russians don't gain by torturing and killing Ukrainians. So why do they do it? > Ukrainians gain by torturing and killing suspected pro-Russia Russians in Ukraine. No, they don't. Everyone in Ukraine speaks Russian. Ukraine is trying to reunite Ukraine, no reason to torture their own citizens. Plus these torture chambers and mass graves were all found in Russian controlled areas just liberated. The Ukrainians never had a chance to torture anyone, not that they ever would. > Motive is there. For the Russians, they're following in the footsteps of the Red Army and their scorched earth policy. > 'Similarly there is motive for US to blow up the pipeline. > Price gouging! Making Europe weaker will hurt US interests. Again that's 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda. >>> >>> There is enough talk on youtube sources pointing out that the NATO/US sabotaged the pipeline. >> Youtube as your source??? > > Not just the videos, but also the comments, yes. > Youtube is a fantastic source, With as many 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls as everywhere else. > as it carries my revolutionary videos. More evidence why Youtube is a garbage source. > >> Good grief. It's typical Russian action, do >> something outrageous and blame the opposition of doing it. > > No, it is US action to lie tremendously. Just look at you, how much you and other usans here have been lying about my works in physics. Russians value truth and morality, you lot value money and power. 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda. Russia always lies. > As for lies: > The 911 for instance. Oh good grief. You're a kooktard as well? > The Moon landings, a hoax to many. That answers that question. > I wonder about the depth of the footprints, caused by some 120Kg weight on Arizona desert to look at. Rather than 15Kg on Moon. And you examined the dust surface on the moon to see how deep footprints would actually sink? >>>>>>> Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? >>>>>> Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter >>>>>> the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New >>>>>> Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old >>>>>> Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia >>>>>> proper. >>>>> >>>>> How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? >>>> Russia had nukes! Plus much of the Red Army. Russia was a danger as long >>>> as it was possible for those to fall into the wrong hands [<cough> Putin]. >>> >>> Had they joined NATO their nukes would have been as the nukes are of France and UK. >> Maybe, if Russia ever met NATO requirements to join. That Putler was >> able to take over and establish his dictatorship shows that Russia >> certainly was not ready. > Putin is officially elected. He is not a dictator. Go to Red Square with a big sign "No War/Russia out of Ukraine" just to see how long you last in "free" Russia. I would ask how long you lasted but you couldn't tell us from your Siberian prison. > He is a very popular politician who has done wonders for Russia. Yes, another similarity between Hitler and Putin. You know how Hitler turned out. Putin is going down the exact same path. >>> As an ally, they would not attack Europe. >> What would have happened if Russia joined NATO and Putler took over and >> started acting on his ambitions? An interesting alternate universe. > Nonsense. Putin has not shown the slightest interest in attacking any NATO country. He knows his life would have about 15 minutes left if he ever did. >>> Not dangerous at all, the nukes of France and UK, are they. >> Of course they are dangerous. But the odds of France or the UK going >> rogue and misusing them are quite small. > Ditto for Russia. Good grief. The Russians keep rattling their nuclear sabre. > They have not used nukes unlike US. That was WW2, to end a war, before there was any such thing as MAD/nuclear agreements etc. Ridiculous comparison. > It was never part of USSR policy to strike past. Russia always lies. > If Russia was part of NATO and EU they would all have done well. > Question is, why this mess? Because Putin is a megalomaniac looking to establish the USSR V2.0. > The answer is that some greedy people in the West want to loot Russia's resources for their own pockets. > And they use NATO for doing that. > They will feed the voters with the trickle-down, from robbery. 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda. > >>>>> Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. >>>>> If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. >>>> Russia actually tried joining but didn't meet the requirements. >>> >>>> What would have happened if NATO member Russia fell under Putin and he >>>> wanted to go empire building like he's trying to do now? Interesting >>>> thought. > > He is getting back what belongs to him, as he thinks. Redrawing boundaries, because he can. No, that's the reason for the UN, to resolve disputes. If Putin *really* thought Ukraine abused Russians or shouldn't have Crimea for some reason, they should have gone there. But there was no such abuse, it's an excuse. > The whole idea behind EU was to stop the redrawing of boundaries with war. The UN you mean. > EU put a stop to that. > But neither Russian nor Ukraine are part of EU, let alone NATO. But both are part of the UN. > So it is a question of might. Whoever is stronger, wins. International politics works like that. That's completely wrong in a civilized society! What would you do if your neighbor and his relatives occupied half your house, trashed the place and refused to leave? Accept it because he and his relatives are more powerful than you? What would a resident of a civilized society do? > >>> Putin is not building empires. >> He most certainly is! He wanted to restore the Soviet Union/become the >> new Peter the Great. He tried to annex all of Ukraine, Moldova certainly >> was next, then he had his eyes on Poland and the Baltic states. Who >> knows how he would have tried to do that, an outright attack would >> trigger NATO Article 5. > > He will get half of Ukraine, Odessa, Kharkov, the Transnistria, yes, once he gets going. Get going with what? He has to resort to tanks which have been rusting away/raided for 50 years, throwing untrained conscripts at the front line untrained, etc. They are the most pathetic army possible! > Putin will have a neutral Ukraine, halved. With what? > Whatever not covered by NATO he cannot get. > The USSR will not come back, as they do not like Marx any more, but Putin will create a bigger, better Russia, yes. The hope and darling of the thirdworld, Russia. Russia has been threatening a food crisis by withholding Ukrainian grain exports. The third world should hate him for that. > >>> He is protecting Russia from getting into the Yeltsin state of treachery and corruption, decay and dissolution. >> So they now have the Putin state of treachery and corruption, decay and >> dissolution. > > It is much better, as I understood after being in Russian for 7 nights. You said that was 2018? How about now, after 4 more years of Putin's oligarchs raiding the place plus the damage from the war/sanctions. > >>> He understands that NATO is pure evil, as it rejected Russia. >> "Pure evil"? You really lap up that Russian propaganda! > > Yes, that is what Putin probably thinks. And you lap it up. > >>> NATO in Ukraine would mean threats, and replacing his honest and sincere nationalist self with some pet puppet of the West in Moscow, so as to loot Russia. >> As a defensive alignment, NATO would be harmless to a peaceful Russia. > > Not at all, they have been arming Ukraine for 8 years After Ukraine was attacked. > and would have put missiles there to attack Moscow. NATO is the military arm of the West, can switch to offense in a nanosecond. Not their mission. > Once Ukraine joined NATO, Putin could not attack Ukraine, just have a rogue armed state at his underbelly. An intolerable situation. No US President could allow that. In an similar situation they would have behaved exactly as Putin did. Yet Putin has been the best salesman for NATO ever! After Chechnya, the Baltic States and Poland decided they'd better join NATO or they're next. After the second invasion of Ukraine, Sweden and Finland decided the same thing. And Georgia and Ukraine want to join. (Ukraine wanted to join before but they didn't qualify, like Russia) > >>>>> So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. >>>> All I know is they didn't qualify. > heh. They evidently had no chance. NATO is there to rob them, not help them. What about not letting Ukraine join when they wanted to? >>> >>> I know that NATO is evil and so could not exist with the good Russia. >> Russia certainly is no longer "good", if they ever became good under >> Yeltsin. > Russians were good for the West under Yeltsin and his oligarchs, who robbed Russia enormously. > NATO had to remain, for the robbery to continue. > But Putin put a stop to that. 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda. >>> That is why they could not let Russia in. >>> If they did that, there would be in due course no point for their existence. >>> The generals would lose their jobs, and the MI complex with their corrupt associates in govt. suffer. >>> They don't want peace. They want war elsewhere to keep their jobs and perks. >> Which is why Russia makes NATO to be "evil" as you put it. The Russian >> generals didn't want to give up their power. > They die bravely in battle unlike the US generals, who do make the other poor devil die for his country, but don't win wars with such clever ideas any more. The Russian soldiers for the most part don't even want to be there! The military even lied to them! Meanwhile the Ukrainians are defending their homeland. >>> I am talking of the quality of your twisted mind, which sees fiction as fact, and fact as fiction, as it suits. >>> Very Einsteinian. >>> >> How could what I wrote be twisted? > You wrote so many lies, such as Putin being a dictator. He certainly is! (don't forget Hitler was legally elected, too) > A twisted mind cannot but lie, as it cannot see any truth. So Putin has a twisted mind? I agree! > > >> I'll tell you what's twisted, trying >> to link this situation to Einstein somehow. > > > No, all situations go back to that bungler, who warped the whole universe with his wrong, silly theories! You have monomania as well, IMO. Everything is because of Einstein. > Thinking a lie is truth, as a basic construct, is a sore quality issue. > That needs to be straightened. And the poor Russian people can't straighten things out, not with one side propaganda. > This is a physics ng, and the idea for me here is to get rid of the Einstein e=mcc=hv virus, by showing its toxic socio-political effects upon the brainwashed minds. Monomania. > Clean thinking will lead to great living. > It does. You need to clean up your thought processes, big time! (but you won't. Your loss) Since so much of what you write is 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda, and I cannot sweep back that ocean of lies, it's probably best to just leave you to fester in your pit of evil thoughts.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 19:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <18c3c88f-33e2-4b7b-ab3f-8ba5b95ab6a3n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863219 |
On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. > >> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with > >> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The > >> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. > > > > Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. > >> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth > >> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable > >> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his > >> home area of Donbass. > > > > And what about the corruption level of his successor? > You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other > 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. > >>> That much is well known, beyond dispute. > >> Nope. You have it twisted the Russian propaganda version. > > No, I have not twisted it. I have stated their story as retold by Indian sources and supported by Youtube comments. > "Youtube comments"? Written by even more of those 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls, > right? And I doubt those "Indian sources" are any better. So none but those you support tell the truth? But you are a confirmed liar, Moroney. I know that. The world that values truth via my experiments and your lies about them, knows that. So as a you are a liar, you cannot be believed in all you say. I do not deny, you can tell the truth when that suits you. And those you support need to be taken with a large dose of salt. Which means, that those you call trolls are likely to be speaking the truth. QED > >> You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? Wow, how can > >> anyone other than neo-Nazis do that? > > > > I am not *defending* ANY invasion. > > I am pointing out similarities and reasons. > Pointing out similarities to Hitler's evil in a positive way without > condemning that evil is implicitly supporting that evil. Nonsense. (What else to expect from the moron Moroney?) But for the rest, I elaborate below. I am being impartial. Invasions have happened everywhere throughout history, for whatever reasons. Some are to be supported, like the invasion of East Pakistan in 1971 that got rid of the genocidal Pakistani occupation forces. As of Hitler vs Poland, that was simply part of age-old European culture and civilization, based upon banditry and opportunism, greed and grab. Nothing to really condemn, just their ways, they have been doing it for thousands of years. Europeans have not just invaded each other, they have gone to the farthest corners of the Earth to grab whatever however. Conquest is not a moral issue. It is a political issue, beyond the scope of morality. No question of good or evil here. Just might being right. It was to stop such invasions that they formed EU. No point invading if the borders are open. But both Russia and Ukraine are not part of EU, nor NATO. So the ancient European culture of brutal invasion was on, in this region. In the US it made US the size it is, by grabbing lands that did not belong to the European invaders. > > Any misfortune is the result of past bad karma. > Blame the victim. And by blaming the victim, you're supporting the > invasion and by comparison Hitler's evil. In WW2, what did the Jews do > -- oh never mind, I'll probably just get a load of neonazi filth. I am talking Vedantic philosophy here, nothing to do with Jews. It is of general scope, like it or not In brief, it works like this: murderous capitalists/bandits are reborn as pigs, after they die. If they provide good bacon, which is good karma following their existentialist dharma, they are reborn in some higher form, as cows say. Good capitalists that create wealth and employment go to Heaven for a finite time before returning. > > It would be bad karma on my part to support lies and suppress truth. > > Just as bad karma happens, misfortunes must happen. > > When individuals or societies do what they should not, they suffer sooner or later. > Again, you are supporting the invasion, and by YOUR comparison, Hitler's > evil. I am being neutral about it, like India, China, and other less great countries. I am also educating about the way karma works. Comeuppance, is one word which may make sense. > But you are probably fine with both, it's just white people killing > white people, right? I am talking about karma as a means to avoid violence, and lead a serene life instead doing your duties properly. > > > >> Shame on you!! That was an obvious > >> land grab by Nazi Germany and the USSR. > > > > Yes. Which could have been avoided, according to some historians. > Yes, if Putler became a good leader and didn't become a megalomaniac > dictator. If you are talking of Hitler, and Stalin too, re Poland, yes they were dictators who later fell out of their once-cosy relationship and had the most horrific wars. > > > >> I do note that Putler used Hitler's playbook and justified his invasion > >> the same way Hitler did, "protection of the German/Russian minority". > > > > So you must also be a neoNazi going by your own standards set for me. > Wrong! Both Putin and Hitler are evil for what they are doing and their You really are a moron. > bogus justifications. Look up "Sudetenland" and compare to Crimea/Donbass. > > > >>> Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. > >> He was. > >>> But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. > >> Which is why the Ukrainians kicked Yanukovych out. > > US interfered in Ukraine politics, to install their puppet. > > How is Zelensky better than the Russian puppet? > He was trying to reduce the corruption which is why he (and Ukraine) > were turning to the West. They could see that, relative to Russia, the > west was prospering and in part due to less corruption. Zelensky has ruined his country, got his armed forces wiped out, lost 15% and will lose 50% of Ukraine, sent out 12 m Ukrainians out as refugees... Is that prosperity? Would not cheap oil and gas and goodwill from Russia, in exchange of honouring the Minsk agreement of neutrality, been better for Ukraine? ***What has corruption in Russia to do with government in Ukraine?*** I wonder if you can realise how stupid you sound. Your status of a moron is too high in the IQ scale. You are an idiot. No point talking to you. -
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 01:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tiqm27$1fl4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863229 |
On 10/18/2022 10:30 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> >>> West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. >>>> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with >>>> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The >>>> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. >>> >>> Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. >>>> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth >>>> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable >>>> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his >>>> home area of Donbass. >>> >>> And what about the corruption level of his successor? >> You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other >> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. > Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. > Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. What, you never heard of the Russian troll farms? People from places like Nigeria, Philippines, India get paid to troll on social media, and some of them do it day after day. Trolling (social media) is what they do, and even the media calls them trolls, it's not something I made up. We have one right here, our very own nymshifting troll. These trolls all write pretty much the same thing, but what they write changes from time to time as they get new orders from 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐. Right now they all write something about "Ukraine has no electricity". Their mission is to get the gullible (such as yourself) to side with Russia or against Ukraine, or at least sow FUD in others. >>>>> That much is well known, beyond dispute. >>>> Nope. You have it twisted the Russian propaganda version. >>> No, I have not twisted it. I have stated their story as retold by Indian sources and supported by Youtube comments. >> "Youtube comments"? Written by even more of those 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls, >> right? And I doubt those "Indian sources" are any better. > So none but those you support tell the truth? No, but I expect the truth from reliable sources, not random people. Some are right, some are just wrong, some are scammers or deliberately lying. And the 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls infest Youtube comments as well. > But you are a confirmed liar, Moroney. I know that. You may think you know that, but apparently you come with a package of mental health issues, including monomaniacal hatred for Einstein and the West in general, megalomania and possible bit of paranoid schizophrenia (everything bad that happens to me is because of racist white people!). You can't handle proper science, you can't even attempt to make a scientific writeup of your crashing armature claims. But I'm not a mental health professional, so you need to see a real doctor to see what's really wrong with you. > The world that values truth via my experiments and your lies about them, knows that. You can't even do a proper experiment that would convince any scientist! You resemble a snake oil salesman more than anything else, no evidence, just fast talking telling the listener what they should be seeing. > Which means, that those you call trolls are likely to be speaking the truth. > QED You mean GIGO. You read garbage and then spew garbage. >>>> You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? Wow, how can >>>> anyone other than neo-Nazis do that? >>> >>> I am not *defending* ANY invasion. >>> I am pointing out similarities and reasons. >> Pointing out similarities to Hitler's evil in a positive way without >> condemning that evil is implicitly supporting that evil. > Nonsense. (What else to expect from the moron Moroney?) You support the evil invasions of Hitler? Which Putin is copying? > I am being impartial. Invasions have happened everywhere throughout history, for whatever reasons. Yes but we're supposed to be more civilized now. > As of Hitler vs Poland, that was simply part of age-old European culture and civilization, based upon banditry and opportunism, greed and grab. > Nothing to really condemn, just their ways, they have been doing it for thousands of years. "Nothing to condemn"? It's hard to find anything he did that *shouldn't* be condemned! (ok, he could paint better than I can) > Europeans have not just invaded each other, they have gone to the farthest corners of the Earth to grab whatever however. Conquest is not a moral issue. It is a political issue, beyond the scope of morality. No question of good or evil here. Just might being right. So we can assume you're not civilized? Is Australia not civilized? Or is it because you're from India and they're not civilized enough? Odd, some excellent engineers I know are Indians. > It was to stop such invasions that they formed EU. No point invading if the borders are open. > But both Russia and Ukraine are not part of EU, nor NATO. > So the ancient European culture of brutal invasion was on, in this region. > In the US it made US the size it is, by grabbing lands that did not belong to the European invaders. It is the purpose of the UN to prevent all of that. Yes, Russia's (and to a lesser extent, China's) veto ruins anything that would harm Russia's, but a "good" Russia would try to resolve such things through the UN and of course wouldn't veto themselves. > >>> Any misfortune is the result of past bad karma. >> Blame the victim. And by blaming the victim, you're supporting the >> invasion and by comparison Hitler's evil. In WW2, what did the Jews do >> -- oh never mind, I'll probably just get a load of neonazi filth. > > I am talking Vedantic philosophy here, nothing to do with Jews. Vedantic philosophy consists of blaming the victim? I mention the Jews because very bad things happened to them in WW2, what did they do to "deserve" that, according to your "Vedantic philosophy"? >>> It would be bad karma on my part to support lies and suppress truth. >>> Just as bad karma happens, misfortunes must happen. >>> When individuals or societies do what they should not, they suffer sooner or later. >> Again, you are supporting the invasion, and by YOUR comparison, Hitler's >> evil. > > I am being neutral about it, like India, China, and other less great countries. Echoing the trolls (and thus Russian propaganda) is being neutral? > I am also educating about the way karma works. Comeuppance, is one word which may make sense. Again, what did the Jews do to "deserve" their "comeuppance"? > >> But you are probably fine with both, it's just white people killing >> white people, right? > > I am talking about karma as a means to avoid violence, and lead a serene life instead doing your duties properly. Yet you support Russia invading Ukraine. > If you are talking of Hitler, and Stalin too, re Poland, yes they were dictators who later fell out of their once-cosy relationship and had the most horrific wars. So you really are OK with invasions of countries that were minding their own business? > >>> >>>> I do note that Putler used Hitler's playbook and justified his invasion >>>> the same way Hitler did, "protection of the German/Russian minority". >>> >>> So you must also be a neoNazi going by your own standards set for me. >> Wrong! Both Putin and Hitler are evil for what they are doing and their > > You really are a moron. Again, look up "Sudetenland". Compare and contrast to 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 claims about Crimea/Donbass. >> bogus justifications. Look up "Sudetenland" and compare to Crimea/Donbass. No answer, I assume you didn't look. >>> >>>>> Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. >>>> He was. >>>>> But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. >>>> Which is why the Ukrainians kicked Yanukovych out. >>> US interfered in Ukraine politics, to install their puppet. >>> How is Zelensky better than the Russian puppet? >> He was trying to reduce the corruption which is why he (and Ukraine) >> were turning to the West. They could see that, relative to Russia, the >> west was prospering and in part due to less corruption. > > Zelensky has ruined his country, How did he ruin his country? Ukraine didn't invade itself! Or do you think he called Putin and asked him to invade Ukraine??? > got his armed forces wiped out, It is 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 who lost 66,000 people so far. > lost 15% Most of which was "lost" in 2014. > and will lose 50% of Ukraine, It is 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 who is currently losing territory. > sent out 12 m Ukrainians out as refugees... 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 shelling did that, not Zelensky. > Is that prosperity? Of course not. Hard to be prosperous when being invaded! > Would not cheap oil and gas and goodwill from Russia, in exchange of honouring the Minsk agreement of neutrality, been better for Ukraine? You mean when 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 violated Minsk Agreement by taking the Donetsk Airport, and took the town of Debaltseve six days after signing Minsk II? And all the other things they were supposed to do but never did? 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 doesn't keep agreements it signed. The invasion of Ukraine itself violates the UN charter. > > ***What has corruption in Russia to do with government in Ukraine?*** The Soviet Union, at its end, was very corrupt, and that contributed to its collapse. The culture of corruption lived on in the ex-Soviet states, including both Russia and Ukraine. Yeltsin was too weak to stop it in Russia. Under Putin it grew with a vengeance. In Ukraine it lived on until 2014, when the new government tried to get rid of it. (the old Russian puppet president was one of the biggest oligarchs in Ukraine) The effects are quite apparent. In Russia, a substantial part of the military's budget went to many oligarchs' yachts. This showed big time in the Russian fighting ability, esp. in the early days. Meanwhile, Ukraine was able to build their army into one that's extremely respected today, able to hold off what should be an overwhelming force, one which everyone thought should overrun Ukraine in a week. Including the Russians, the soldiers in the initial invasion brought their dress uniforms along for their victory parade in Kyiv. (Kyiv recently had a "parade" of destroyed Russian tanks)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 00:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5a56ade5-7d1d-41f6-84ed-67099b10e563n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863255 |
On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 16:24:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/18/2022 10:30 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> > >>> West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. > >>>> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with > >>>> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The > >>>> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. > >>> > >>> Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. > >>>> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth > >>>> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable > >>>> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his > >>>> home area of Donbass. > >>> > >>> And what about the corruption level of his successor? > >> You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other > >> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. > > Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. > > Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. > What, you never heard of the Russian troll farms? Are they bigger trolls than the hugely rewarded, exclusive, USAn MSM? People from places > like Nigeria, Philippines, India get paid to troll on social media, and > some of them do it day after day. Never met one who did that. There are many youtube channels, some with millions of subscribers. They are the alternate to the MSN liars/trolls. > Trolling (social media) is what they > do, and even the media calls them trolls, chor machaye shor. Thieves make noise. Your mainstream media is one big liar and crook, supporting your awesome thieves-in-charge. > it's not something I made up. > We have one right here, our very own nymshifting troll. Who is that? > These trolls all write pretty much the same thing, but what they write > changes from time to time as they get new orders from 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐. Hopefully it will penetrate your fat head that the swastika symbol stands for wishing good health. In your case, and for the MSN trolls you support, not just physical but mental health is sorely required. Unknowingly, you may be on the right path. > Right now they all write something about "Ukraine has no electricity". > Their mission is to get the gullible (such as yourself) to side with No, don't lie, the news sites are saying that 30% has no electricity. And that things will get worse in the future what with winter coming. I am concerned about this. This madness must stop. -
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 15:18 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tis6ul$149j$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863264 |
On 10/20/2022 3:01 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 16:24:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/18/2022 10:30 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>> >>>>> West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. >>>>>> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with >>>>>> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The >>>>>> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. >>>>>> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth >>>>>> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable >>>>>> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his >>>>>> home area of Donbass. >>>>> >>>>> And what about the corruption level of his successor? >>>> You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other >>>> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. >>> Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. >>> Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. >> What, you never heard of the Russian troll farms? > > Are they bigger trolls than the hugely rewarded, exclusive, USAn MSM? I don't care about the US MSM, a comparison wouldn't be valid anyway since the Russian trolls infest social media comments, not broadcast news channels. > > People from places >> like Nigeria, Philippines, India get paid to troll on social media, and >> some of them do it day after day. > > Never met one who did that. There are many youtube channels, some with millions of subscribers. They are the alternate to the MSN liars/trolls. Look on any channel discussing the war, Ukraine, Russia or related topics. You seem to be rather naive if you think you haven't seen them. > >> Trolling (social media) is what they >> do, and even the media calls them trolls, > > chor machaye shor. Thieves make noise. Your mainstream media is one big liar and crook, supporting your awesome thieves-in-charge. > >> it's not something I made up. >> We have one right here, our very own nymshifting troll. > > Who is that? You really are naive. The nymshifting troll keeps changing its name, but most recently posted as Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia>. (Expect that to change as soon as it sees this reply) It's been here for years. Right now it always crossposts to sci.physics,sci,physics.relativity,sci.math. It almost always posts off-topic 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda although it appears it's off its meds today. > >> These trolls all write pretty much the same thing, but what they write >> changes from time to time as they get new orders from 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐. > > Hopefully it will penetrate your fat head that the swastika symbol stands for wishing good health. I know that's the case in some Eastern countries. However, a certain Austrian has forever contaminated that symbol, to the point if some peaceful Asian kid in school here wishes good health to a classroom by drawing a swastika on the blackboard, he'll really get in trouble. > In your case, and for the MSN trolls you support, I don't support the MSM, way too biased, all of them. > not just physical but mental health is sorely required. You first, to help your monomania, megalomania and paranoia. >> Right now they all write something about "Ukraine has no electricity". >> Their mission is to get the gullible (such as yourself) to side with > > No, don't lie, the news sites are saying that 30% has no electricity. I know that. (it's actually 30% of power generation knocked offline) One of the things they do is gloat over such things. But a cpuple weeks ago they posted the same thing, Ukraine has no electricity, when the truth was, after Russia striking some substations (war crime), parts of Ukraine lost power for a couple of hours, damage quickly repaired or bypassed. > And that things will get worse in the future what with winter coming. I am concerned about this. This madness must stop. And the only way the madness will stop is if Putin withdraws all his armies. That way, instead of sending weapons which blow up Russian soldiers, NATO can send stuff to repair their infrastructure.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 18:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <cf728b53-64ba-4117-9680-153a734b843an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863285 |
On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 06:18:53 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/20/2022 3:01 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 16:24:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/18/2022 10:30 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>> On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. > >>>>>> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with > >>>>>> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The > >>>>>> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. Fools. > >>>>> > >>>>> Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. > >>>>>> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth > >>>>>> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable > >>>>>> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his > >>>>>> home area of Donbass. Democratic measures are there, to check such things. That happens all the time in India. Does not lead to civil war. Democracy involves patience, reticence, tolerance, rule of law, empathy, sympathy - these are the hallmarks of a civilised democratic kindly people. Until people learn to be so democratic, they are best off under a benign autocrat. > >>>>> > >>>>> And what about the corruption level of his successor? > >>>> You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other > >>>> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. > >>> Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. > >>> Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. > >> What, you never heard of the Russian troll farms? > > > > Are they bigger trolls than the hugely rewarded, exclusive, USAn MSM? > I don't care about the US MSM, a comparison wouldn't be valid anyway > since the Russian trolls infest social media comments, not broadcast > news channels. I get my news from both the broadcast and the comments, which are many and diverse, in a democratic, free, open spirit. Who on earth would want to see CNN etc. after that! > > People from places > >> like Nigeria, Philippines, India get paid to troll on social media, and > >> some of them do it day after day. > > > > Never met one who did that. There are many youtube channels, some with millions of subscribers. They are the alternate to the MSN liars/trolls. > Look on any channel discussing the war, Ukraine, Russia or related > topics. You seem to be rather naive if you think you haven't seen them. I see that every day, these days. There are people on two sides of course, but I do not think anyone is paid for his opinions by the powers that be. This troll factory stuff is just a lie like so many lies you spout, Moroney. > >> Trolling (social media) is what they > >> do, and even the media calls them trolls, > > > > chor machaye shor. Thieves make noise. Your mainstream media is one big liar and crook, supporting your awesome thieves-in-charge. > > > >> it's not something I made up. > >> We have one right here, our very own nymshifting troll. > > > > Who is that? > You really are naive. The nymshifting troll keeps changing its name, but > most recently posted as Wilbert Sciacca <wc...@iccstcwa.ia>. (Expect that > to change as soon as it sees this reply) It's been here for years. Right > now it always crossposts to sci.physics,sci,physics.relativity,sci.math. > It almost always posts off-topic 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda although it > appears it's off its meds today. You must be more stupid than I hold you to be, when you say that this guy is a troll *paid by Putin*. He hates Putin, and makes that very clear. Why should Putin pay him? He has his hates, no doubt, and that is sad. The whole region has far too much history of violence. He reflects that attitude. > >> These trolls all write pretty much the same thing, but what they write > >> changes from time to time as they get new orders from 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐. > > > > Hopefully it will penetrate your fat head that the swastika symbol stands for wishing good health. > I know that's the case in some Eastern countries. However, a certain > Austrian has forever contaminated that symbol, That symbol you are referring to is the bent cross or hakencruz used by the Nazis, not the Arya-vedic swastika which you are drawing. Unlike your polluted evil mind, no symbol which stands for what is abstract, can never be polluted. > to the point if some > peaceful Asian kid in school here wishes good health to a classroom by > drawing a swastika on the blackboard, he'll really get in trouble. Very evil, and ignorant, this attitude, to be so anti-health, anti-goodwill, and be a mere slave to money and crooks as the alternative to well-being.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-20 22:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ee4a598e-bf9d-41cd-bcf5-64fc6a2bfb2an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863297 |
On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 12:07:13 UTC+11, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 06:18:53 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > > On 10/20/2022 3:01 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 16:24:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > > >> On 10/18/2022 10:30 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > >>> On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 11:43:16 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > > >>>> On 10/16/2022 7:55 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> West corrupted the parliament, independent sources say. Naked interference. > > >>>>>> The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with > > >>>>>> the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The > > >>>>>> Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. > Fools. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Yes, again the hand of NATO et al. Naked interference. > > >>>>>> He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth > > >>>>>> including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable > > >>>>>> property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his > > >>>>>> home area of Donbass. > Democratic measures are there, to check such things. > That happens all the time in India. Does not lead to civil war. > Democracy involves patience, reticence, tolerance, rule of law, empathy, sympathy - these are the hallmarks of a civilised democratic kindly people. > Until people learn to be so democratic, they are best off under a benign autocrat. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And what about the corruption level of his successor? > > >>>> You are quoting 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda almost word for word from other > > >>>> 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 trolls elsewhere. > > >>> Not only that, I am saying that Zelensky came to power by exposing it on media, and became very popular as a consequence. > > >>> Calling the opposition names is childish, but then you are a moron, Moroney. > > >> What, you never heard of the Russian troll farms? > > > > > > Are they bigger trolls than the hugely rewarded, exclusive, USAn MSM? > > I don't care about the US MSM, a comparison wouldn't be valid anyway > > since the Russian trolls infest social media comments, not broadcast > > news channels. > I get my news from both the broadcast and the comments, which are many and diverse, in a democratic, free, open spirit. > Who on earth would want to see CNN etc. after that! > > > People from places > > >> like Nigeria, Philippines, India get paid to troll on social media, and > > >> some of them do it day after day. > > > > > > Never met one who did that. There are many youtube channels, some with millions of subscribers. They are the alternate to the MSN liars/trolls. > > Look on any channel discussing the war, Ukraine, Russia or related > > topics. You seem to be rather naive if you think you haven't seen them. > I see that every day, these days. There are people on two sides of course, but I do not think anyone is paid for his opinions by the powers that be. > This troll factory stuff is just a lie like so many lies you spout, Moroney. > > >> Trolling (social media) is what they > > >> do, and even the media calls them trolls, > > > > > > chor machaye shor. Thieves make noise. Your mainstream media is one big liar and crook, supporting your awesome thieves-in-charge. > > > > > >> it's not something I made up. > > >> We have one right here, our very own nymshifting troll. > > > > > > Who is that? > > You really are naive. The nymshifting troll keeps changing its name, but > > most recently posted as Wilbert Sciacca <wc...@iccstcwa.ia>. (Expect that > > to change as soon as it sees this reply) It's been here for years. Right > > now it always crossposts to sci.physics,sci,physics.relativity,sci.math. > > It almost always posts off-topic 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda although it > > appears it's off its meds today. > You must be more stupid than I hold you to be, when you say that this guy is a troll *paid by Putin*. He hates Putin, and makes that very clear. Why should Putin pay him? > He has his hates, no doubt, and that is sad. The whole region has far too much history of violence. He reflects that attitude. > > >> These trolls all write pretty much the same thing, but what they write > > >> changes from time to time as they get new orders from 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐. > > > > > > Hopefully it will penetrate your fat head that the swastika symbol stands for wishing good health. > > I know that's the case in some Eastern countries. However, a certain > > Austrian has forever contaminated that symbol, > That symbol you are referring to is the bent cross or hakencruz used by the Nazis, not the Arya-vedic swastika which you are drawing. > Unlike your polluted evil mind, no symbol which stands for what is abstract, can never be polluted. Oops, extra "n", I meant "no symbol which stands for what is abstract, can ever be polluted". > > to the point if some > > peaceful Asian kid in school here wishes good health to a classroom by > > drawing a swastika on the blackboard, he'll really get in trouble. > Very evil, and ignorant, this attitude, to be so anti-health, anti-goodwill, and be a mere slave to money and crooks as the alternative to well-being.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 20:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tja0nm$9d8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863297 |
On 10/20/2022 9:07 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: <snip all> I have concluded that you've swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, and you have fixed ideas that can never be changed (like your crashing armatures mean anything useful), and I can never counter the propaganda arm of Russia. But for others: Someone, likely Putin, is really going off the deep end. They (finally) realize nobody is buying the "denazification of Ukraine" excuse. So what do they do? Admit the truth? Of course not! Now the Russian Security Council states that Ukraine should be "desatanizatized"!. The continuation of the 'special military operation' is now more urgent, to "desatanize" Ukraine. That is, there are hundreds of Satanic cults/sects throughout Ukraine, including the Church of Satan. The manifestations of "Satanism" in "calls to kill Russians". Ukraine is no longer a state, according to them, it's now a 'totalitarian hypersect'. Whatever that is... Hey Banjo, not even your fellow Indians are falling for it. https://thetimeshub.in/another-insanity-russians-want-desatanization-of-ukraine/58854/
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| From | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 18:33 -0700 |
| Subject | Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.25--6.33pm.Seattle.2022> |
| In reply to | #863500 |
Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride.
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| From | Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-26 02:02 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. |
| Message-ID | <Dy06L.633000$6Il8.474660@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #863501 |
On Oct 25, 2022 at 6:33:15 PM MST, ""Relf"" wrote <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.25--6.33pm.Seattle.2022>: > Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. So do lions. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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| From | % <pursent100@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 19:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. |
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| In reply to | #863504 |
Snit wrote: > On Oct 25, 2022 at 6:33:15 PM MST, ""Relf"" wrote > <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.25--6.33pm.Seattle.2022>: > >> Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. > > So do lions. > so does black
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-25 18:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <23ce5880-2b31-490d-8af6-b50e0abc9a9dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863500 |
On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 11:58:36 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/20/2022 9:07 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > <snip all> > > I have concluded that you've swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, > line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, and you have fixed ideas that can > never be changed (like your crashing armatures mean anything useful), > and I can never counter the propaganda arm of Russia. I follow the thinking of Prof. Mearsheimer, who does not look like a Russian propagandist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM Unlike you, and other ignorant and morally dead morons, he is a leading expert in his field, of international relations, and what he says is based upon facts. Not, then, your style of blind denial, lies, abuse etc. meant to carry on the war for the bad of the Ukrainians and Russians; and good for the profits of the US military industrial complex, oil companies, etc. from which the lazy lots get trickle-down benefits. I have long concluded that you are a moronic bigot who rejects my new advances in physics as they upset your psychological makeup; you follow the adage, the lie that soothes is better than ten thousand truths. Up to a point I can sympathise with that, but not beyond, such as when the future of humanity is involved. Your lies about me pushing the armature were easily exposed with the better version of the low voltage heavy armature rail gun that I made. Who can think I am pushing the armature in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtyOMbgiZ0 and who can think I have not made a modern rail gun of immense potential as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pjy0Wvujs&t=19s which can be turned into a reactionless motor for space conquest as shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsIuzEajTc&t=2s Cheers, Arindam Banerjee
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-26 16:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tjc4u6$13u5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863502 |
On 10/25/2022 9:37 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 11:58:36 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/20/2022 9:07 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> >> <snip all> >> >> I have concluded that you've swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, >> line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, and you have fixed ideas that can >> never be changed (like your crashing armatures mean anything useful), >> and I can never counter the propaganda arm of Russia. > > I follow the thinking of Prof. Mearsheimer, who does not look like a Russian propagandist. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM If he ignores/overlooks the ethnic cleansing (war crime) that Russia has been doing, he's either a very poor source for you, or he's swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, just as you have. > Unlike you, and other ignorant and morally dead morons, he is a leading expert in his field, of international relations, and what he says is based upon facts. The Russian's "facts"? > > Not, then, your style of blind denial, lies, abuse etc. meant to carry on the war for the bad of the Ukrainians and Russians; and good for the profits of the US military industrial complex, oil companies, etc. from which the lazy lots get trickle-down benefits. No, I am not in favor of this windfall for the MIC. But again, blame Russia, not me. They started this warm not me. > > I have long concluded that you are a moronic bigot Of course you have. That's one reason why you're a failure at physics. Rather than accept criticism, you go with made up excuses of bigotry/racism. Myself, I respect the Indian scientists/engineers I've seen here. Unlike you, they worked hard to excel at what they do. > who rejects my new advances in physics as they upset your psychological makeup; you follow the adage, the lie that soothes is better than ten thousand truths. Up to a point I can sympathise with that, but not beyond, such as when the future of humanity is involved. Bla bla bla, excuses excuses. > > Your lies about me pushing the armature were easily exposed with the better version of the low voltage heavy armature rail gun that I made. Because there's no way to tell. It's what snake oil salesmen do when selling their product. You match the description of a snake oil salesman. Are you? You don't show the numbers which should prove your "discovery". > > Who can think I am pushing the armature in: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtyOMbgiZ0 > and who can think I have not made a modern rail gun of immense potential as shown in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pjy0Wvujs&t=19s > which can be turned into a reactionless motor for space conquest as shown in > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsIuzEajTc&t=2s Given how disappointing your first video was, I'll put these on my list to watch...at the bottom...they'll come up someday... Of interest: An intercepted phone call by a Russian soldier surreptitiously calling his wife/some woman, he's mad/horrified by the poor equipment he has, such as a tank which stalls every 50 meters. He demands his wife calls the Ministry of Defense and demand they fix it! (good luck with that!) It's in Russian with subtitles, but no subtitles are needed to understand the tone of his voice. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1584995770414944256?t=Os-VufjSdYD1k3YX1NCPZA&s=03
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-26 15:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e5cb718f-7cb3-4c42-b973-387a9da49bcan@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863525 |
On Thursday, 27 October 2022 at 07:22:35 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/25/2022 9:37 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 11:58:36 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/20/2022 9:07 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> > >> <snip all> > >> > >> I have concluded that you've swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, > >> line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, and you have fixed ideas that can > >> never be changed (like your crashing armatures mean anything useful), > >> and I can never counter the propaganda arm of Russia. > > > > I follow the thinking of Prof. Mearsheimer, who does not look like a Russian propagandist. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM > If he ignores/overlooks the ethnic cleansing (war crime) that Russia has > been doing, he's either a very poor source for you, or he's swallowed > the Russian propaganda hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, just as > you have. 1. Prof. Mearsheimer is not a Russian propagandist, so you are lying (what's new!) when you said I was following Russian propaganda. 2. He is a respected professor who concludes that US is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine. 3. As his conclusion is based upon facts and the coherent binding logic to hold them together, he sounds plausible. 4. The US and Western institutional media is totally corrupt, so unless they are writing about the late Queen's dogs or Meghan Markle's antics, and celeb stuff like that, they should be ignored. Definition of institutional media: A look-down top-down sneering lot of robots programmed by the Deep State Monsters reporting to the racist+bigoted Pirates_allsorts. Note: Pirates_allsorts have no ideology, only grab, so could have been interested in my new physics that provides potentially unlimited wealth; but the racist+bigoted qualifier provides some sort of ideology for them to follow, and that causes automatic blocking of my new physics, from their side. - snip -
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-27 06:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ddc20e6f-aa0f-4772-b4b6-52482d96c800n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863525 |
On Thursday, 27 October 2022 at 07:22:35 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/25/2022 9:37 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Wednesday, 26 October 2022 at 11:58:36 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/20/2022 9:07 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> > >> <snip all> > >> > >> I have concluded that you've swallowed the Russian propaganda hook, > >> line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, and you have fixed ideas that can > >> never be changed (like your crashing armatures mean anything useful), > >> and I can never counter the propaganda arm of Russia. > > > > I follow the thinking of Prof. Mearsheimer, who does not look like a Russian propagandist. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qciVozNtCDM > If he ignores/overlooks the ethnic cleansing (war crime) that Russia has > been doing, he's either a very poor source for you, or he's swallowed > the Russian propaganda hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and boat, just as > you have. > > Unlike you, and other ignorant and morally dead morons, he is a leading expert in his field, of international relations, and what he says is based upon facts. > The Russian's "facts"? What Prof. Mearsheimer says as undeniable truths, that are well-known and beyond dispute. I take it that minimal research can verify them or debunk them. > > > > Not, then, your style of blind denial, lies, abuse etc. meant to carry on the war for the bad of the Ukrainians and Russians; and good for the profits of the US military industrial complex, oil companies, etc. from which the lazy lots get trickle-down benefits. > No, I am not in favor of this windfall for the MIC. But again, blame > Russia, not me. They started this warm not me. According to Prof. Mearsheimer, thanks to USA's belligerent policy against Russia, absorbing former Soviet satellites within NATO and arming Ukraine, creating a coup there, etc. Russia was forced to invade to save their own existence. He said that any nation when faced with such an existential threat will have to behave as Russia did. Israel did that, making a pre-emptive attack in 1967, Prof. Mearsheimer is very clear in his conclusion that US was responsible for the invasion, which had to happen when Putin saw US action in Ukraine (interfering with the outing of a pro-Russian govt., encircling Russia with NATO, potentially putting missiles in Ukraine, after arming them for an attack) as intolerable. When added to the stoppage of water to Crimea, hostile action in the Donbass, and the historical ties, persecution allegations - he had to invade, or else imperil his country. Such is his analysis. He says that this follows a long-standing trend in international relations, which is as we all know, might is right. Thus, Putin has used his might to keep Crimea and get much of the Donbass. > > I have long concluded that you are a moronic bigot > Of course you have. That's one reason why you're a failure at physics. Only a sour moron like you will think that I am a failure at physics. I have outed bad physics, the e=mcc=hv stuff, and improved good physics by throwing out entropy. Huge advances, that open the door to the stars. I am a success at everything. Principally, in family matters, but also in many others, such as my education, employment and hobbies. I stand in the ranks of Newton, Galileo, and da Vinci, in science; and with Homer and Kalidas in literature. And with the very best, in other areas of my interest (cooking, acting, reciting). > Rather than accept criticism, you go with made up excuses of > bigotry/racism. Myself, I respect the Indian scientists/engineers I've > seen here. Unlike you, they worked hard to excel at what they do. By the grace of the Great Goddess Kali, I have excelled in every field that I have been involved. Yes, I have had to work hard, but under Her infallible direction, I have never failed. Being so divinely blessed, gives me the edge over the sedulous atheists, wrapped in permanent denial. > > who rejects my new advances in physics as they upset your psychological makeup; you follow the adage, the lie that soothes is better than ten thousand truths. Up to a point I can sympathise with that, but not beyond, such as when the future of humanity is involved. > Bla bla bla, excuses excuses. Silly moron, you cannot even comprehend simple English. But you must make noises.' > > > > Your lies about me pushing the armature were easily exposed with the better version of the low voltage heavy armature rail gun that I made. > Because there's no way to tell. This is a ridiculous lie, unless you are blind - and single with no one tell you what is happening in the video. Plus,, just idiotic. > It's what snake oil salesmen do when > selling their product. No, they do not. Snake oil salesmen want money from deception, by hand-waving, not by showing experiments where there is no scope for hokey-pokey, and those experiments anyone can repeat. Yes, Einsteinian pseudo-scientists are all snake oil salesmen, selling their bogus products for much gain. If you think I am one of them, you are not a moron, you are an imbecile. > You match the description of a snake oil > salesman. Are you? Not at all, imbecile. > You don't show the numbers which should prove your > "discovery". First let all agree that I am not pushing the armature in the rail gun, which means I have made a new invention, the low voltage heavy armature electromagnetic rail gun. Can you agree to that, or will you remain a surly blind bigoted imbecile pretending to be a scientist? Once it is allowed that I have made a rail gun, then the discovery component will come, with numbers. Which are certainly present in the third video film below, which tells numerically the distance the centre of gravity has moved in the first stroke of the motor - an appreciable amount. Inertia was thus violated, meaning that for the is case the law of conservation of momentum was not applicable, meaning a new kind of reactionless electric motor can be constructed for proper space conquest and very fast travel in near space. So numbers are there, for those not willfully blind. > > Who can think I am pushing the armature in: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYtyOMbgiZ0 > > and who can think I have not made a modern rail gun of immense potential as shown in > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6pjy0Wvujs&t=19s > > which can be turned into a reactionless motor for space conquest as shown in > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsIuzEajTc&t=2s > Given how disappointing your first video was, I'll put these on my list > to watch...at the bottom...they'll come up someday... How was the first video disappointing? It showed the functioning of a new invention, the the low voltage heavy armature electromagnetic rail gun. Surely someone claiming to be interested in physics should find that interesting? Cheers, Arindam Banerjee - snip -
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