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| First post | 2021-10-19 12:02 -0500 |
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Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 12:02 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-19 13:51 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 10:22 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 13:16 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 13:52 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-20 19:11 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-21 15:19 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-22 09:53 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-24 11:13 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-15 12:24 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-16 14:53 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 14:35 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-17 21:54 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:15 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-18 11:40 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 12:27 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-19 21:03 -0600
Brains ReWire, to adapt to whatever it is we're doing. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-20 03:49 -0800
Re: Brains ReWire, to adapt to whatever it is we're doing. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-20 08:13 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 02:52 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 09:58 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-20 12:59 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 12:43 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 13:47 -0600
"MH" is about culture, not genetics. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-21 18:42 -0800
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 00:02 -0800
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 09:11 -0600
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 09:23 -0600
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 10:13 -0600
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 14:20 -0600
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-22 13:33 -0500
My nose is too flat ?! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-22 12:14 -0800
Re: My nose is too flat ?! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 14:34 -0600
Both photos show my nose is tall & narrow. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-22 14:50 -0800
Re: Both photos show my nose is tall & narrow. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-22 16:56 -0600
Re: Both photos show my nose is tall & narrow. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-11-22 21:28 -0500
Re: Both photos show my nose is tall & narrow. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 22:29 -0600
Re: Both photos show my nose is tall & narrow. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 22:56 -0600
Expell too much co2, & you drop like a fly. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-23 01:43 -0800
Re: Expell too much co2, & you drop like a fly. Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-11-23 03:14 -0800
Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 15:15 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 09:53 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-21 15:09 -0600
The value of an airplane is not measured in pounds. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-21 19:04 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 11:44 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-23 12:41 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-23 14:59 -0500
Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-24 02:49 -0800
Re: Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-24 04:51 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 12:11 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 13:24 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-22 13:51 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-24 10:25 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-24 12:44 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-25 09:31 -0600
Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-25 09:15 -0800
Re: Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-25 11:35 -0600
Re: Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2021-11-25 12:42 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 21:48 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 19:23 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 14:03 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 13:17 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 11:31 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 14:32 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 14:52 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 17:12 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 00:05 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 09:25 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 12:07 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 20:05 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 10:50 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 14:00 -0600
How are you Iranians better off than me, here in Seattle ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-05 13:13 -0800
Re: How are you Iranians better off than me, here in Seattle ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-12-05 16:35 -0600
Re: How are you Iranians better off than me, here in Seattle ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 19:50 -0600
Would you be better off in Iran, with your family ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-05 21:21 -0800
Re: Would you be better off in Iran, with your family ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 08:39 -0600
Re: Would you be better off in Iran, with your family ? Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-12-13 17:58 -0600
Tehran consums 4 metric tons of opium per _Day_. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-13 18:06 -0800
Re: Tehran consums 4 metric tons of opium per _Day_. Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 21:09 -0500
Why does a 12-year-old Iranian girl need opium ?! Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-13 18:57 -0800
Re: Why does a 12-year-old Iranian girl need opium ?! silverslimer <silver@slim.er> - 2021-12-14 07:42 -0500
Re: Why does a 12-year-old Iranian girl need opium ?! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 10:05 -0600
Re: Why does a 12-year-old Iranian girl need opium ?! Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-12-14 10:17 -0600
Re: Why does a 12-year-old Iranian girl need opium ?! Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-15 09:16 -0600
What you think of Israel & (Sunni) Saudi Arabia ? Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-15 07:23 -0800
Re: What you think of Israel & (Sunni) Saudi Arabia ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-15 09:58 -0600
Some (Shia) Iranians won't speak of Israel. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-15 08:21 -0800
Re: What you think of Israel & (Sunni) Saudi Arabia ? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-12-15 10:23 -0600
Re: What you think of Israel & (Sunni) Saudi Arabia ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2021-12-15 19:44 -0700
Re: What you think of Israel & (Sunni) Saudi Arabia ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-16 10:35 -0600
Re: Would you be better off in Iran, with your family ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-12-13 22:22 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 20:29 -0600
24/7 draft beer, drink it on the street. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-05 21:41 -0800
Sharia Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-07 16:29 -0800
Re: Sharia vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2021-12-08 10:03 +0000
24/7 beer, on the street, no attendant, no door locks, no bouncer. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-08 02:51 -0800
Re: 24/7 beer, on the street, no attendant, no door locks, no bouncer. Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 08:22 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 13:06 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 13:35 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 21:45 -0600
Your Analytics Compartments :-) Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-12-06 20:05 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 22:35 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 23:39 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 12:29 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 10:24 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-11 19:36 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 12:46 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 11:05 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 10:41 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 11:29 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 18:15 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2021-10-22 12:19 -0400
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutter Freak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-10-24 07:27 -0700
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Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-03 22:35 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 12:52 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 14:57 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 17:25 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 16:52 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 19:40 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 20:58 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 00:05 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-08 23:10 -0500
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-08 20:59 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-08 23:44 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 00:08 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 03:42 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-09 08:59 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 13:25 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 22:15 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-11-10 10:32 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 09:32 -0600
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Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-07 12:05 -0600
Everybody who could do something quit in disgust. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-07 15:14 -0800
Your Analytics Compartments :-) Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-07 15:45 -0800
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-11-09 12:27 -0600
Get "woke", go broke. Jeff-Relf.Me @. - 2021-11-09 15:14 -0800
Re: Get "woke", go broke. RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> - 2021-11-09 20:05 -0500
Re: Get "woke", go broke. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2021-11-10 07:46 -0600
Re: Get "woke", go broke. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2021-12-08 12:01 -0600
Re: Your Analytics Compartments :-) Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 13:25 -0600
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 15:15 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "MH" is about culture, not genetics. |
| Message-ID | <ff05bc95-a496-48c1-87de-d32ca7d270fcn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #836506 |
On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 02:11:54 UTC+11, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 11/22/2021 2:02 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 13:42:32 UTC+11, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote: > >> "MH" is about culture, not genetics. > > > > Arya is about both in the original autochthonous Indian context. > > Culture first - a nonArya can become Arya with effort and subsequent acceptance. > > > Yes in a way. Requires Iranian dicks fucking their daughters day in day > out for like at least 10 generations. Then the CH _begins_ to get close > in modernity as far as human is concerned. Look at extreme south Europe. > They went through all that and are much closer to MH than literally > anywhere else north of them. Persia stopped being a superpower after getting invaded by Alexander. They did recover well enough, as Parthians, to fight off the Romans. Then they got conquered by the lowly Arabs. They were forced to convert to Islam, but chose to be Shia in order to differentiate between themselves and the Sunni Arabs. Again they made a recovery as Muslims but were annihilated by the pagan Mongols. Some recovery was made since, and they had a Shah who had delusions of grandeur pre Alexander. But the masses wanted Islam and not ancient history so now Iran is a staunch Islamic nation. How well off they are, who knows. Are their ruling mullahs wonderful? They know how to hang on to power, certainly. Can they project that power to the West for genetic purposes? I doubt. Southern Europe has African influences, not Iranian. > > Wiring of brain is a fundamental feature of human. It determines if you > are male or female. It determines if your ACOB is up to date or not. It > _defines_ you as CH, MH, Asperger, or a chimpanzee. Brains are different across species. Within a species, no. > > The illiterate Jeff keeps talking about affecting the brain wiring by > training and effort, mistaking the design itself with the "options" that > can be added later. He is correct. > > "Let's add the "options" available to convert a motorcycle to a Corvette!" Different species of transport, here. > > Some people don't know that they needed to sell lollipops and nothing > beyond! I've said this once, he didn't catch it. > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 09:53 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sngedc$o33$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836432 |
On 11/21/2021 1:47 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > So Germans didn't indeed get the deserved favor towards them from Iran, > or did they? :) The external evidences for that are very few. One is the fact that in 1968 the moment Krupp encountered financial difficulties Shah immediately bought virtually all their stocks at a high price. When U.S. embassy (headed by CIA director Helms!) complained Shah gave Helms the middle finger so to speak. He slammed the phone down on him after telling him it was not his business. So Krupp survived. This is one evidence among a few others that are too good for you to know. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-21 15:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snechi$k5k$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836420 |
On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > This extremely secret information reached Iran not from Iranian embassy > in Moscow, but from the embassy in Berlin! Their spies in Germany had > collected this information from remnants of communists inside Germany; > i.e. Jewish people still residing in Berlin. There were still many Jews > quite high up in Soviet power structure. I can't say everything that's required to say in 10 minutes of lightning fast typing. So here I add that Stalin got the wind of his plans leak when his spies in Iran manage to collect it, of all the people, from German spies inside Iran! One of these spies was actually a communist planted in German's rings in Tehran. Via these Germans he found out Iran knows of Stalin's plans and reported it to Moscow. From the moment Stalin accessed this information none of the Jewish leaders in communist parties were safe. He painstakingly began eliminating them one after the other, often in grossly obvious ways via bullshit excuses in courts of law, followed by their executions. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-11-21 19:04 -0800 |
| Subject | The value of an airplane is not measured in pounds. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.21--7.04pm.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #836445 |
ClutterFreak: > I can't say everything that's required to say in > 10 minutes of lightning fast typing. The value of an airplane is not measured in pounds; likewise, fewer lines are preferred, when possible. Programmers spend hours/days/weeks working on a few lines of code. > Stalin [...] German spies inside Iran ! Nazi Germany lost the day they decided to steal Azerbaijani oil.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 11:44 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sngku8$t43$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836445 |
On 11/21/2021 3:09 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> This extremely secret information reached Iran not from Iranian >> embassy in Moscow, but from the embassy in Berlin! Their spies in >> Germany had collected this information from remnants of communists >> inside Germany; i.e. Jewish people still residing in Berlin. There >> were still many Jews quite high up in Soviet power structure. > > > I can't say everything that's required to say in 10 minutes of lightning > fast typing. So here I add that Stalin got the wind of his plans leak > when his spies in Iran manage to collect it, of all the people, from > German spies inside Iran! One of these spies was actually a communist > planted in German's rings in Tehran. Via these Germans he found out Iran > knows of Stalin's plans and reported it to Moscow. From the moment > Stalin accessed this information none of the Jewish leaders in communist > parties were safe. He painstakingly began eliminating them one after the > other, often in grossly obvious ways via bullshit excuses in courts of > law, followed by their executions. > > > > > He did that because Stalin had started to become too much of a communist himself for his own sake. He never really was a true communist most of his life. But when he ceased to tolerate factions and/or organizations among his country that pre-existed communism, he'd become communist enough to cause damage to himself and others. That's why he got rid of Jewish leaders. The last of them being Trotsky who managed to escape his wrath for a few years, but not more than those few years. Stalin's designs to reach Persian Gulf was not something new. Tzars throughout Russian Empire had done more than dreaming about that. They'd managed to conduct war with Iran and occupy northwestern Iran (The Caucasus) but when they got geographically closer to centers of power in Iran they'd found it impossible to come farther south. Their best efforts to add a 5th column to make the plan possible had faced utter defeat in the liberation of Tehran around 1908. There and then they knew they had no choice but kiss their plan goodbye. Stalin, on the other hand, by 1935, not only had become a menace as troubling as Russian Empire to Iran, he even spent a gazillion rubles and man-hours to soften the path south by creating vast powerful communist footsteps inside Iran itself! He'd become rude. Hence Iran's backing of Hitler in the most effective and yet subversive to Allies wishes as far as it could ever be managed without involving direct confrontation with USA (and what little remained of British Empire). Iran's indirect efforts cost Stalin (and Russians) millions of men. Most of the waves of Red Army Stalin had been forced to send to German fronts one after the other only to get slaughtered by Germans (thus reducing their ammunition) would've been avoided if Iran had actively been on Allies side in the war rather than passively backing Hitler. The help Allied delivered to Stalin via Persian Gulf and Iran would've begun in June of 1941, not August! Can you imagine the implications? Do you know what happened to Soviet Union between June and August of 1941?.. We gave it to him. Iran gave it to Stalin _good_ for his getting rude. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-23 12:41 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snjcl6$bs6$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836514 |
On 11/22/2021 11:44 AM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> Stalin's designs to reach Persian Gulf was not something new. Tzars
> throughout Russian Empire had done more than dreaming about that.
This fact was behind Reza Shah's decision (read it: "Ace's decision") to
adopt a different size rail system for that vital north-south stretch
from Persian Gulf to Soviet Union borders north of Iran. A train
carrying supplies either way had to come to a stop there at the border
and wait a long time for everything to be unloaded and reloaded on
trains on the other side of the border to fit the width and features of
the rail belonging to that side. This had been done before Stalin had
become a problem for Iran. It was great thinking indeed, providing every
opportunity to neutralize those supplies sitting like a duck right there
at the border if needed.
With Tzars themselves gone and lost in the winds of history, their
wishes were nevertheless quite fresh in Iranians' memories and mind.
That railway system which was built after downfall of Russian Empire
shows it all.
When the rails were given to Allies in August of 1941, this same defense
mechanism became the biggest thorn in the eyes of Allies, creating much
delays and difficulties right at those borders, effectively making the
overall effort trippled in magnitude. It was a super important card Ace
had in dealing with Allies on the third day of the "war" with them.
Allies knew if they even totally decimated Iran, Iranians were still
able to sabotage everything they tried to cross at those borders into
Soviet Union. They knew it was a near impossible task indeed. Ace _knew_
how to bargain in these matters.
Imagine Americans forces in Afghanestan having to move their supplies,
all nicely packed and together in one stretch of train wagons, all
exactly on predictable routes, right through mountainous areas where the
Taleban lived like flies all over! Could you really do that? Heheh :-))
There were many similar situations in Vietnam war also that had
miserably failed. It cannot be done without great loss of supplies,
time, effort, lives, personnel, blood, and money. Simple as that. Ace
knew all that and Allies knew all that in that historical talk between
them on the third day of that "war."
Just a tiny little about this "Ace" here :) He would see nobody
directly. There are only two pictures of him in the entire world, both
belonging to his inner family, released for posterity years after his
death. One is him, very young, right after liberation of Tehran around
1908 in which he and his brothers had major roles, the other is him at
his prime right after he created the Pahlavi Dynasty. He himself was
always in the shadows.
He never assumed any office. He could be king, he could be the richest
man in the world, but he was not interested. Cause he had to stay in the
shadow to get his wishes done. You'd only see his men, mainly chosen
from his extended family which were all important land owners and had
helped or resisted various governments of Iran throughout ages. These
"men", all of them, even older ones and richer ones and more "prominent"
ones, all, conferred with Ace and took directives from him and him
alone. He was truly an ace. Anything in the world that he wanted, he
achieved it.
He died about 6 months after Tehran Conference of December 1943. Old
age. But he was alive and kicking when that conference was held. In the
shadows, that is :)
It was either him, or the young Shah, who decided Stalin should live.
Conversely, it was either him, or the young Shah, who had decided Stalin
should die. I don't know it was whose advice to whom. Because a very
effective plot had been made to kill Stalin in Tehran in that
conference, one which Stalin's spies had no clue about. Stalin's spies
had only penetrated into Germans and Reza Shah's rings, not into the new
Shah's ring :) They hadn't had time. Soviets had indeed neutralized
Germany's own plot to kill Stalin in Tehran. Their master spy, some
Armenian guy, had newly penetrated inside those of Germany's again. But
Soviets didn't know about the new Iranians' plot.
Stalin was trolling alone a mile or two away from Soviet embassy to take
a look at Tehran - he had a borsalino hat on to disguise himself and mix
in with the crowd. His guards were some 50 yards behind following him
and told to stay away to prevent suspicion for onlookers.
"Tehran is now a Russian city." wrote a Yugoslav dissident in his book
that came out later. Stalin felt on top. Safe.
At the very last moment before Stalin would get machine gunned in
Ferdowsi Square, the old woman beggar ("old woman beggar" someone's
ass!) who followed Stalin on the other side of the street was reached
and told to hold off. One of the two, either the young Shah or the Ace,
had convinced the other to let go of the plan at the _last_ moment.
Nobody knows who wanted what done to this day, this mystery stayed known
to themselves only, and was taken with them to their graves. But the
plot itself was known to a few best agents Iran had had at the time. Its
existence reached me third hand in 1970s via my own extended family,
only whispered, never printed (as far as I know - by now it might even
be in print).
By 1949 information on that plot had reached Stalin. Ace had passed away
by then. Even if he was alive Stalin knew better than choosing to go
that way. So he retaliated in an assassination on Shah's life conducted
by his communists' hands in Tehran. But guess what!
Stalin, being a super smart fat-assed bureaucrat and nothing more all
his life, was under the impression that killing a target, any target,
would be as easy as killing all those other fat-assed bureaucrats he had
killed earlier before WWII. Hehe :) Himself had never been a military
man. He really underestimated what a military man was. Shah was from
head to toe an absolutely perfect example of a fit military officer,
trained all his life to be so, and capable of lightning fast reaction to
any situations of danger. Killing a military man is not killing a
fucking bureaucrat. And bureaucrat as Stalin and his men were, they all
underestimated their target. From a distance of a TWO FUCKING FEET Shah
managed to escape death under a rain of bullets shot at him. One of the
bullets ripped a corner of his upper lip, that was all.
This is him in hospital after that assassination attempt (declaring the
abolition of the communist party in Iran):
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4a/a8/7c/4aa87c3b1dab55df593d3316420cd4bb.jpg
Stalin had even prepared for the country wide "celebration" of triumph
of communists in Iran right after killing the Shah and taking over the
controls in Iran. They were so certain they had arranged every step of
the way in advance. By 1949 they didn't know any better! Just what
"country" in the world they had mistaken Iran for? What country had they
compared Iran to? It was ridiculous from begin to end. It was as if
you'd give the fucking TRUMP the go ahead to write a book about Iran!
Something which that inane Daddy's boy imbecile didn't know _crap_
about. They thought Iran was something hanging from a thread and all you
do is to cut that thread. Well obviously GONE were indeed those who knew
better among Russians. Stalin must've killed them all by 1949.
Besides, forget about Iran herself for a moment, you think you can do
that to Shah of Iran and escape trouble? Ha? Wrong. Even if you were
Stalin at the height of your power and popularity, with nukes and all.
"Wrong", cause you yourself or your best men at the least will end up
paying for that.
Look at USA today :-( A second world country. When Carter got rude with
Shah (and Israel) USA was at the top of the world, first rate and full
of options to decide the next course of humanity's path, or so it looked
like. Look what USA is now. People _defecate_ in its grocery stores to
deliver a message to you that your "press" doesn't dare.
Somebody must've given it to "Carter" when he got too rude with Iran and
Israel.
Iran has not had just one "Ace" and then after he died, nobody else.
Aces are constantly nurtured in Iran. We have them under your stupid
noses, and everywhere else, studying you, gauging you, knowing you
better than your stupid mothers. You _cannot_ escape their wrath if you
piss Iranians off. Cause "things" will happen to you, things that you
won't understand until long after, in retrospect. And even then, you
still won't be sure what exactly happened to you. This is the MH you're
dealing with, not CH. How can you escape consequences when you're
dealing with the best that humanity has offered??
Shah, day after assassination attempt, declared Iran's communist party
"abolished" and parliament passed it right away. Hell began for Stalin's
men. This Hell was still going strong and alive years after Stalin
himself was injected into a vegetable by you know who! Iran's ambassador
to Moscow had gone to see him out of Iranian protocols of respect, he
described the situation: "Stalin was there in bed unable to talk,
pointing to a picture on the wall. I turned to the wall in front of him;
it was a picture of a baby goat being spoon fed by a three year old. He
was telling me, 'Look at the irony!'.. He'd been reduced to that baby
goat."
This was just four months before Zahedi kicked Mosaddegh's government to
oblivion and Shah embarked on slaughtering every communist element in
Iran! The slaughter was so thorough and cruel because Stalin's men had
penetrated into Iran's military itself. Shah would not have that for the
life of his.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-23 14:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <snjh6c$87p$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #836598 |
On 11/23/2021 1:41 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 11/22/2021 11:44 AM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> Stalin's designs to reach Persian Gulf was not something new. Tzars >> throughout Russian Empire had done more than dreaming about that. > > > This fact was behind Reza Shah's decision (read it: "Ace's decision") to > adopt a different size rail system for that vital north-south stretch > from Persian Gulf to Soviet Union borders north of Iran. A train > carrying supplies either way had to come to a stop there at the border > and wait a long time for everything to be unloaded and reloaded on > trains on the other side of the border to fit the width and features of > the rail belonging to that side. This had been done before Stalin had > become a problem for Iran. It was great thinking indeed, providing every > opportunity to neutralize those supplies sitting like a duck right there > at the border if needed. That may be true but not for the reason you state. Iran uses standard gauge railroads (1435mm) while the Soviet Union used their own standard 1520mm gauge. It was a problem for all cross border rail traffic to/from the USSR (and still is).
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-11-24 02:49 -0800 |
| Subject | Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.24--2.49am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #836598 |
Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran, lit up 731 banks & 140 government sites. People won't tolerate it, not even in America.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-24 04:51 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran. |
| Message-ID | <j06jp4F27ovU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #836635 |
On 11/24/2021 4:49 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > Stagflation at the end of 2019, in Iran, > lit up 731 banks & 140 government sites. > > People won't tolerate it, not even in America. > What, if anything, does this have to do with physics?
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 12:11 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sngmg9$uhf$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836420 |
On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > This is what happened: When matters of that particular war got critical > around 1942 I meant 1941, not 1942. 1942 saw defeat of Germans in Stalingrad. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 13:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sngqok$26o$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836420 |
On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > So Americans and British governments began asking Iran to let the > north-south railway system from Persian Gulf to Caucasus be used by > Allies to help shift the war in favor of Stalin. Here, at this most > complicated stage, Ace played his hands again and began another plan, a > plan of his own (Reza Shah was left outside of it) The reason Ace could not involve Reza Shah had to do with the latter's exceptional military character (Reza Shah had been the best military commander of Ahmad Shah). Previously, in early 1920s Ace and Reza Shah had played a similar role over Ahmad Shah's abdication, but that one involved Ahmad Shah's own knowledge and approval and participation into the plan. He, Ahmad Shah, had seen it necessary for existence of Iran (under Curzon's pressure) to carry out this well-designed plan. It essentially fooled Curzon into thinking resistance against him will get _diminished_ by that cause Ahmad Shah, his number one enemy, would get out of the way, while in fact Curson lost any influence he could exert in Iran (via south, using certain armed tribes that still practiced 100% dependence on livestock). But doing a similar trick with Reza Shah's own involvement and knowledge was absolutely impossible because it involved deliberately disabling Iran's own military in time of war! Something that you could not make Reza Shah do even if you literally held a shotgun to his head. Simply impossible. The man loved Iran from head to toe and had seen his entire life how military is the only force Iran possessed to defend herself with. He was the one who modernized Iran's military based on his own experiences and wisdom, not what Europeans had done to theirs. His experiences panned the years 1908 (defeat of Russians in Tehran) all the way to that moment and one thing he had made sure to do for posterity was to instill all such knowledge and important facts in his son, the later Shah. In short, Reza Shah would have The Ace shot immediately after disclosing the plan to him. No question there whatsoever. Indeed in August of 1941 when he was told about what had been done after the fact, moments before his arrest, he had pulled his pistol out to kill the messenger (one of Ace's men) but Ace had of course foreseen it. Without actually doing it, he'd told the messenger to tell Reza Shah that his son and other family members will lose their lives if Reza Shah shot him. Reza Shah placed the pistol on a table and surrendered to the messenger and from there to the Allies. So this latter plan had to be carried out without his knowledge. Although it thoroughly looked like treason, and in Reza Shah's mind it was absolutely nothing but high treason, it was indeed the safest way, the correct way, toward Iran's future. Reza Shah was no politician of Iranian caliber. Brits didn't trust Reza Shah if kept inside Iran. He was too popular and his military would sacrifice everything to free him. But they couldn't touch him either! This same military force with wrong ammo in their supply rooms, would find a way to fuck the Brits up. The glorious "British Empire"; i.e., the imbecile Churchill, knew that! So they took him outside Iran and on to an Island in the middle of the ocean and kept him there. But USA was still apprehensive. They knew what Zahedi was able to do even after Reza Shah's departure. So they insisted to have Zahedi also. The Ace ok'd it in exchange with yet many more concessions toward security of Iran and the way Allies forces behaved inside Iran. Brits took Zahedi to Palestine and unlike Reza Shah _imprisoned_ him. He actually spent the rest of the WWII inside prison. Zahedi was added for a very good reason of course. He was the best commander Iran's military by then had seen. Extremely intelligent, and would not wait one second if his own life would be lost in doing what was correct for Iran. Americans feared he was able to correct the losses Ace had inflicted on military fast enough to create a couple of years of Hell for the Allies. He would! The enemy for him was Stalin, not Hitler. Even later, much later after the 1953 coup that he had devised and conducted against Mosaddegh, Zahedi's house was devoid of a portrait of the new Shah... You could only see Reza Shah's portraits there! He was still angry at Shah (then as crown prince he knew of Ace's plans) for what they did to Reza Shah and the military men, angry that military had been so thoroughly fooled by Ace, and he was the one who, as prime minister, insisted SAVAK be built and operational to discover such plans before getting realized and not so sheepishly succumb to and be played by Aces and the like. Savak was _his_ creation, and again, just like the 1953 coup a couple of years earlier, fully paid for by the fooled Americans :) Hahhaha :) Americans were kept (by Zahedi) under the impression that SAVAK would do inside Iran what Mossad and CIA combined would do for them in the future, free of charge, making things easier :) Hehe :) God you don't know _shit_ about where this planet is do you. You don't know who the MH is. No. Zahedi built SAVAK to safeguard Iran, and Iran only. And he did it for many vital reasons. If it wasn't for SAVAK's fooling of CIA in early 1960s, for just _one_ example of it, Iran would still be a feudal system with no way towards a superpower status in the future. But SAVAK changed that. You are feeling Zahedi's touch even today. Yes you! Ask your presidents and thinkers alike. Ask whoever fears Iran. Ask yourselves deep down :) Needless to say, Zahedi made Shah angry on many occasions because Zahedi would not necessarily carry out Shah's orders, he was Reza Shah's man, not this Shah's man, despite all he'd done to safeguard this Shah's crown. This is of course not acceptable in a kingdom. When Shah at last asked Zahedi to leave Iran (late 1950s), he immediately followed through knowing what was best for Iran. روحت شاد زاهدی -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-22 13:51 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sngsb5$398$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836522 |
On 11/22/2021 1:24 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: >> So Americans and British governments began asking Iran to let the >> north-south railway system from Persian Gulf to Caucasus be used by >> Allies to help shift the war in favor of Stalin. Here, at this most >> complicated stage, Ace played his hands again and began another plan, >> a plan of his own (Reza Shah was left outside of it) > > > The reason Ace could not involve Reza Shah had to do with the latter's > exceptional military character (Reza Shah had been the best military > commander of Ahmad Shah). Previously, in early 1920s Ace and Reza Shah > had played a similar role over Ahmad Shah's abdication, but that one > involved Ahmad Shah's own knowledge and approval and participation into > the plan. He, Ahmad Shah, had seen it necessary for existence of Iran > (under Curzon's pressure) to carry out this well-designed plan. It > essentially fooled Curzon into thinking resistance against him will get > _diminished_ by that cause Ahmad Shah, his number one enemy, would get > out of the way, while in fact Curson lost any influence he could exert > in Iran (via south, using certain armed tribes that still practiced 100% > dependence on livestock). > > But doing a similar trick with Reza Shah's own involvement and knowledge > was absolutely impossible because it involved deliberately disabling > Iran's own military in time of war! Something that you could not make > Reza Shah do even if you literally held a shotgun to his head. Simply > impossible. The man loved Iran from head to toe and had seen his entire > life how military is the only force Iran possessed to defend herself > with. He was the one who modernized Iran's military based on his own > experiences and wisdom, not what Europeans had done to theirs. His > experiences panned the years 1908 (defeat of Russians in Tehran) all the > way to that moment and one thing he had made sure to do for posterity > was to instill all such knowledge and important facts in his son, the > later Shah. > > In short, Reza Shah would have The Ace shot immediately after disclosing > the plan to him. No question there whatsoever. Indeed in August of 1941 > when he was told about what had been done after the fact, moments before > his arrest, he had pulled his pistol out to kill the messenger (one of > Ace's men) but Ace had of course foreseen it. Without actually doing it, > he'd told the messenger to tell Reza Shah that his son and other family > members will lose their lives if Reza Shah shot him. Reza Shah placed > the pistol on a table and surrendered to the messenger and from there to > the Allies. > > So this latter plan had to be carried out without his knowledge. > Although it thoroughly looked like treason, and in Reza Shah's mind it > was absolutely nothing but high treason, it was indeed the safest way, > the correct way, toward Iran's future. Reza Shah was no politician of > Iranian caliber. > > Brits didn't trust Reza Shah if kept inside Iran. He was too popular and > his military would sacrifice everything to free him. But they couldn't > touch him either! This same military force with wrong ammo in their > supply rooms, would find a way to fuck the Brits up. The glorious > "British Empire"; i.e., the imbecile Churchill, knew that! So they took > him outside Iran and on to an Island in the middle of the ocean and kept > him there. > > But USA was still apprehensive. They knew what Zahedi was able to do > even after Reza Shah's departure. So they insisted to have Zahedi also. > The Ace ok'd it in exchange with yet many more concessions toward > security of Iran and the way Allies forces behaved inside Iran. Brits > took Zahedi to Palestine and unlike Reza Shah _imprisoned_ him. He > actually spent the rest of the WWII inside prison. > > Zahedi was added for a very good reason of course. He was the best > commander Iran's military by then had seen. Extremely intelligent, and > would not wait one second if his own life would be lost in doing what > was correct for Iran. Americans feared he was able to correct the losses > Ace had inflicted on military fast enough to create a couple of years of > Hell for the Allies. He would! The enemy for him was Stalin, not Hitler. > > Even later, much later after the 1953 coup that he had devised and > conducted against Mosaddegh, Zahedi's house was devoid of a portrait of > the new Shah... You could only see Reza Shah's portraits there! He was > still angry at Shah (then as crown prince he knew of Ace's plans) for > what they did to Reza Shah and the military men, angry that military had > been so thoroughly fooled by Ace, and he was the one who, as prime > minister, insisted SAVAK be built and operational to discover such plans > before getting realized and not so sheepishly succumb to and be played > by Aces and the like. Savak was _his_ creation, and again, just like the > 1953 coup a couple of years earlier, fully paid for by the fooled > Americans :) > > Hahhaha :) > > Americans were kept (by Zahedi) under the impression that SAVAK would do > inside Iran what Mossad and CIA combined would do for them in the > future, free of charge, making things easier :) Hehe :) God you don't > know _shit_ about where this planet is do you. You don't know who the MH > is. > > No. Zahedi built SAVAK to safeguard Iran, and Iran only. And he did it > for many vital reasons. If it wasn't for SAVAK's fooling of CIA in early > 1960s, for just _one_ example of it, Iran would still be a feudal system > with no way towards a superpower status in the future. But SAVAK changed > that. > > You are feeling Zahedi's touch even today. Yes you! Ask your presidents > and thinkers alike. Ask whoever fears Iran. Ask yourselves deep down :) > > Needless to say, Zahedi made Shah angry on many occasions because Zahedi > would not necessarily carry out Shah's orders, he was Reza Shah's man, > not this Shah's man, despite all he'd done to safeguard this Shah's > crown. This is of course not acceptable in a kingdom. When Shah at last > asked Zahedi to leave Iran (late 1950s), he immediately followed through > knowing what was best for Iran. روحت شاد زاهدی > > > > > > Zahedi triumphant right after three days of Hell defeating Mosaddegh in the August 1953: https://macleodpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/fazlollah-zahedi-carl-mydans-life.jpg?w=464 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-24 10:25 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snlp23$bt4$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836522 |
On 11/22/2021 1:24 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > Previously, in early 1920s Ace and Reza Shah had played a similar role > over Ahmad Shah's abdication, but that one involved Ahmad Shah's own > knowledge and approval and participation into the plan. He, Ahmad Shah, > had seen it necessary for existence of Iran (under Curzon's pressure) to > carry out this well-designed plan. It essentially fooled Curzon into > thinking resistance against him will get _diminished_ by that cause > Ahmad Shah, his number one enemy, would get out of the way, while in > fact Curson lost any influence he could exert in Iran This is why Ahmad Shah's family referred to him as "Shaheed" (martyr) when at the age of only around 30 British government cowards poisoned him in France. He was indeed interred not inside Iran but in the area surrounding Hoseyn's Shrine (Son of Ali, the fourth Caliph) who symbolizes martyrdom for Iranians. Iranians have some scores to settle with Britain. That's what runs the fear of Iran in seemingly "American" efforts towards that end. Americans don't give a damn about Iran being nuke capable or not. It doesn't pertain them one bit. It's the coward Brits behind all such efforts. They know what's coming to them. Carter didn't fear a nuclear-capable Iran. He feared a superpower the size of the entire middle east! One with every imaginable form of raw material in the hands of top Iranian and Jewish scientists! Read the comments he made. "I don't want another Japan the size of the middle east!" We haven't been done with Curzon yet. There's more stuff in the future of Britain stemming from his acts towards Iran in those years. 9 million Iranians indirectly perished by Curzon's actions inside Iran. This score hasn't been settled yet. So guess who's behind all this "nuke" hoopla. Ahmad Shah was only 8 years old when he assumed Crown in 1908 after brilliant defeat of Russians in the Battle of Tehran. But by the time he selflessly used himself in Ace's plot, he was one of the most educated, trained, knowledgeable, and resourceful Shah Iran had ever seen. Curzon's mistake was that he imagined everything against him in Iran was coming from this young bright man :) Right there, an Ace, would step in to put that faulty calculation into good use, sweetie. Ahmad Shah was part of the same plan that would have him abdicate the crown. He was the best that his dynasty in Iran had seen. Extremely intelligent and yet losing not one moment to sacrifice himself for Iran. He took a picture of himself as king right before abdicating, and another one right after reaching France as a mere Iranian civilian. Look at him and understand what Iran is to Iranians. Immediately before abdication in Tehran: https://c7.alamy.com/comp/KWCXP9/ahmad-shah-qajar-the-last-shah-of-the-qajar-dynasty-that-ruled-iran-KWCXP9.jpg Right after abdication in Paris: http://www.iichs.ir/Upload/Image/139310/Orginal/26675d11_f73d_4054_8741_f92bd58b6a16.jpg -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-24 12:44 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snm162$iq3$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836420 |
On 11/21/2021 12:43 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
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Ok, so far:
Analytics Compartment Of Brain (ACOB):
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* functions:
- Substitution
Example 1: CH getting fired means "calamity"
Example 2: demography of junkies is almost pure CH
Example 3: meaningful physical activity vs idiotic movements
Example 4: Martin Luther's 2nd downgrading of Christianity to fit CH
Example 5: CH difficulty to emigre
Example 6: my moving to USA
Example 7: from dollar to cryptocurrency
Example 8: MH invention of writing
Example 9: destroying Greek MH advances
Example 10: Dark Ages: Descend to CH earlier human's roots
Example 11: Christianity's 1st downgrading of Mithraism to fit CH
Example 12: Inability to leave CH group despite free houses offered
Example 13: CH settlement in America only after European MH settled
Example 14: Adoption of Islam
Example 15: Mongols' adoption of cultures superior to theirs
Example 16: Ahmad Shah's ability to change to a civilian life
- Solving The Right Problem (STRP)
Example 1: war instead of trade
Example 2: Roman Empire issue
Example 3: Russian Empire issue
Example 4: War with Mongols entailing STRP on both sides
Example 5: Solving the Mongols issue after defeat
Example 6: Hitler vs Jews
Example 7: Martin Luther vs Jews
Example 8: Islam entailing STRP for many difficult problems
Example 9: Polygamy as legal and moral practice
Example 10: Problem of gender exceptions
Example 11: Prostitutes' Rights
Example 12: Ahmad Shah abdicating the throne
Example 13: Curzon's inability to solve the "Persian Question"
Example 14: Curzon's attempts to solve imaginary problems instead
Example 15: Ace attacked the Right Problem, not fringe issues
Example 16: Ace traded fringe issues for solutions to Right Problems
Example 17: Ace's "high treason" best solution to the Right Problem
Example 18: Circa 1935 enemy for Iran was Stalin, not Hitler
Example 19: Circa 1935 Iran's STRP was via Hitler and no one else
Example 20: Ace understood Iran's railroad was STRP for Allies
Example 21: Zahedi's STRP in creation of SAVAK
Example 22: Shah's STRP in removal of feudal system
- Atoning
* attributes:
- Secrecy
Example 1: Curzon's silence on Indians
Example 2: Iran's open doors
Example 3: American Natives open doors
Example 4: U.S. Navy's open doors
Example 5: U.S. embassy in Tehran, August 1953
Example 6: destroying original "Persia and the Persian Question"
Example 7: modern day hidden "Monastery" collections
Example 8: Brits hiding behind Americans to limit Iran's power
- Predictability
Example 1: Role of Caucasus MH in October 1917 Revolution in Russia
Example 2: Ahmad Shah's League Of Nations threat to British Empire
Example 3: Qualifying Exam Scores, Chinese MH is most unpridictable
Example 4: Consequences of Carter's plan against Shah and Israel
Example 5: USA's failures in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanestan, and Syria
Example 6: CIA's assessment of Iran: "Island of Stability" circa 1978
Example 7: CIA's gathered MH data useless in predicting the MH
Example 8: CIA's gathered CH data very useful in predicting the CH
Example 9: Sci.physics CH failure in predicting me for 20 years
Example 10: One CH reveals everything about the group he belongs
Example 11: One MH reveals nothing about any other MH
Example 12: Simple opinion polls work only for CH population
Example 13: Jewish use of polls from MH to juice CH fools
Example 14: Hitler's failure in predicting Iran's role
Example 15: 1949 inability of CH Soviets to predict Shah and Iran
Example 16: CIA's blunder in predicting Iran's STRP of feudal system
A bit about Zahedi's SAVAK:
SAVAK was no joke! CIA and Mossad were "jokes" in comparison. CIA is
nothing but a university that conducts research in a limited way only.
It gathers data then analyzes such data, then reports the results to
Washington. The rest is up to government and what people backing those
governments want. The only reason you can't simply apply and become
student of that university is that it happens to only deal with
classified data, so you must have some pre-existing qualifications that
have nothing to do with your IQ. Unclassified data are being already
analyzed by many other universities as we know. But an establishment
needed to form to deal with classified data. Hence the CIA.
Mossad? The same type of entity. They gather data and they analyze it.
They're good though! They actually know what they're doing. They are MH,
remember that. Quality-wise CIA _is_ a "joke" in comparison.
And both CIA and Mossad have some unimportant paramilitary operation
department on the side. Nothing significant. It comes handy on very rare
situations only. Such departments are nothing but some desks and some
bureaucrats who have a list of private security firms. And a budget to
work under.
That's the entirety of what CIA and Mossad have always been. SAVAK was
no such thing!
SAVAK had 11 huge separate departments to it, each consisting of vast
data gathering centers and their own state of the art thinking centers
as well! It didn't just analyze. These independent centers, taken
together, created a gigantic thinking machine. CIA or just about any
intelligence entity in the world were no match for it in years from 1958
to about 1969. In that particular period it outsmarted every thinking
centers around the world which had something going on with Iran.
Only around 1969 it began to fail. How? Shah in his removal of feudal
system 5 years earlier had created important enemies among large land
owners. These land owners were resourceful and in just 5 or 6 years
totally penetrated SAVAK and invaded it. From then on, SAVAK was indeed
working against the Shah without letting him know that.
Carter's success in destroying the Shah and Israel's plans was only on
the account of these frustrated land owners and the SAVAK which now they
controlled. All Carter needed to do was to give them the slightest go
ahead sign. That's why Carter could deliver his ultimatum to Shah in
December of 1977.
Fact is, the land reform couldn't get done any other way. SAVAK had to
fool Americans and the Brits into thinking relationship with Iran would
get simpler and faster and easier to manipulate because instead of
conferring with many centers of power in Iran it could lead to
conferring with Shah alone! When they got thus fooled and stepped back
and only watched, Shah began the hardest feat of his ruling years in
Iran, first having SAVAK fool the land owners into accepting legal basis
of his reforms (they were led to think like any other bullshit passed in
the parliament it would not mean anything beyond a piece of paper) and
then by fooling the clergy (which always had ties to these land owners)
into saying "People don't want these reforms", thus falling into the
trap that Shah (and SAVAK) had set for them, a referendum!
As soon as the time became ripe, Shah suggested a referendum to see
people want these reforms or not! Obviously all the Iranians other than
land owners and the clergy voted "yes" to it. Shah got loose on the land
owners lands!
The price of this important movement, one which had been due for decades
and decades, was the resentment that it created among the land owners
and the clergy. Land owners later accepted any term from Carter as long
as Shah would get toppled, and clergy would accept Carter's condition to
cut ties with Israel in exchange for filling up the power centers.
When I go over to what happened in those decades, I see no grave
mistakes on the side of the Shah. He did the best that could be done for
Iran. And land owners had reasons to be so vicious against the Shah. And
the clergy had lost everything in that land reform, much more thoroughly
than the land owners. The combination caused what we now know as history
of Iran since 1960.
It was all because Zahedi and Shah knew that in order to have a path to
a superpower status for Iran in the future, feudalism in Iran must first
go.
The next step after those reforms was of course collaboration with
Israel. Israelis already at the time of Dayan's travel to Iran in 1962
knew that they'd be soon a nuclear power in the middle east. Dayan
discussed it with Shah and the plans began then and there! That is why
Jews let you CH go at last, after 1962 (and until end of 1977). Jews had
decided on another path to future that involved a superpower middle
east. It was the only condition under which they'd let you CH go free.
Well, Carter changed that in late 1977, so some form of Hell got loose
on you CH dimwits that you have still not figured out exactly what it
is. What _can_ you see slightly better now is that your affairs in the
future would not be same as what you enjoyed in the past. Your children
will face a very different future.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-25 09:31 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snoa81$ue6$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836657 |
On 11/24/2021 12:44 PM, Clutterfreak wrote: > As soon as the time became ripe, Shah suggested a referendum to see > people want these reforms or not! Obviously all the Iranians other than > land owners and the clergy voted "yes" to it. Shah got loose on the land > owners lands! This seemingly simple design was more intricate than this of course. I know the details of it very well but these stuff, beyond what I already put down, are too good for you to know. It'd be feeding pigs Yubari King Melons. Your "Iran Experts" are as helpless as my neighbor's pet raccoon in understanding them also. So are your CIA and other intelligence organizations. MH on MH processes are beyond you CH dimwits. But doesn't hurt to add that in a certain way the clergy could be considered "land owners" of their own back then. They needed such lands given to Mosques for one of their sources of income for their religious schools. Two other sources of income they had were teaching all the basic education for entire public (maktab khAneh), and getting paid as judges for their legal services. Shah's comprehensive plan didn't just include land reform! It replaced the judicial structure and the public school system as well! So clergy was left with nothing. A big problem that Shah wasn't let to solve because this time all these resourceful land owners wanted him out. So it should've been obvious where things were going, except for one thing! It was a task that more than anything else needed SAVAK for its solution. Too bad this time around SAVAK itself was being penetrated by ex land owners' men. So land owners jumped in and prevented Shah from remedying the situation, helping, and attending to the carnage he had left behind after he was done with first major steps of his comprehensive reforms. That's how, in the absence of those other means of approach Shah had taken (with Israel and taking up the whole middle east as one) to solve all these problems, after Carter prevented him from that, these unfinished matters inside Iran got time to catch up with him and defeat him. When I look at it I see no party guilty of anything in all that except Carter. This son of a bitch lowly "grunt" of a service man from the other side of the world stepped in and fucked it up. And you are and will be paying for it. I promise you that :) But why "Carter" could _happen_ in the first place? :-) What is the solution for THAT?.. That's when things get interesting for the MH to handle, sweeties. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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| From | Jeff-Relf.Me @. |
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| Date | 2021-11-25 09:15 -0800 |
| Subject | Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. |
| Message-ID | <Jeff-Relf.Me@Nov.25--9.15am.Seattle.2021> |
| In reply to | #836725 |
How could Jimmy Carter & Joe Biden happen ? Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. They've convinced everyone that we're all going to die, which is true, but not a reason to give up in despair, like most everyone is doing now. Yet again, landlords are viciously attacked; so they refused to rent, and rents go up 20 % per year ! Gold & cyber currencies are too dangerous; so the only solution is to spend all of your savings on rent before you it won't be enough to rent an outhouse & you'll have to crap in the grocery store aisles.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-25 11:35 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. |
| Message-ID | <j09vr2Fm9vaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #836728 |
On 11/25/2021 11:15 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: > How could Jimmy Carter & Joe Biden happen ? > > Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. > > They've convinced everyone that we're all going to die, > which is true, but not a reason to give up in despair, > like most everyone is doing now. > > Yet again, landlords are viciously attacked; > so they refused to rent, and rents go up 20 % per year ! > > Gold & cyber currencies are too dangerous; > so the only solution is to spend all of your savings on rent > before you it won't be enough to rent an outhouse & > you'll have to crap in the grocery store aisles. What, if anything, does this have to do with physics?
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| From | SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> |
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| Date | 2021-11-25 12:42 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. |
| Message-ID | <AWPnJ.82890$Wkjc.1889@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #836732 |
On 2021-11-25 12:35 p.m., whodat wrote: > On 11/25/2021 11:15 AM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote: >> How could Jimmy Carter & Joe Biden happen ? >> >> Yet another FlyByNight Apocalypse cult has enveloped Earth. >> >> They've convinced everyone that we're all going to die, >> which is true, but not a reason to give up in despair, >> like most everyone is doing now. >> >> Yet again, landlords are viciously attacked; >> so they refused to rent, and rents go up 20 % per year ! >> >> Gold & cyber currencies are too dangerous; >> so the only solution is to spend all of your savings on rent >> before you it won't be enough to rent an outhouse & >> you'll have to crap in the grocery store aisles. > > What, if anything, does this have to do with physics? I was going to ask him the same thing. Come to think of it, it has nothing to do with Linux, computers or technology either. -- @silverslimer Free speech is absolute
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-26 21:48 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <sns9rb$3ai$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836657 |
On 11/24/2021 12:44 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
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Ok, so far:
Analytics Compartment Of Brain (ACOB):
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* functions:
- Substitution
Example 1: CH getting fired means "calamity"
Example 2: demography of junkies is almost pure CH
Example 3: meaningful physical activity vs idiotic movements
Example 4: Martin Luther's 2nd downgrading of Christianity to fit CH
Example 5: CH difficulty to emigre
Example 6: my moving to USA
Example 7: from dollar to cryptocurrency
Example 8: MH invention of writing
Example 9: destroying Greek MH advances
Example 10: Dark Ages: Descend to CH earlier human's roots
Example 11: Christianity's 1st downgrading of Mithraism to fit CH
Example 12: Inability to leave CH group despite free houses offered
Example 13: CH settlement in America only after European MH settled
Example 14: Adoption of Islam
Example 15: Mongols' adoption of cultures superior to theirs
Example 16: Ahmad Shah's ability to change to a civilian life
Example 17: Jews changing to a coexistence plan in 1962
- Solving The Right Problem (STRP)
Example 1: war instead of trade
Example 2: Roman Empire issue
Example 3: Russian Empire issue
Example 4: War with Mongols entailing STRP on both sides
Example 5: Solving the Mongols issue after defeat
Example 6: Hitler vs Jews
Example 7: Martin Luther vs Jews
Example 8: Islam entailing STRP for many difficult problems
Example 9: Polygamy as legal and moral practice
Example 10: Problem of gender exceptions
Example 11: Prostitutes' Rights
Example 12: Ahmad Shah abdicating the throne
Example 13: Curzon's inability to solve the "Persian Question"
Example 14: Curzon's attempts to solve imaginary problems instead
Example 15: Ace attacked the Right Problem, not fringe issues
Example 16: Ace traded fringe issues for solutions to Right Problems
Example 17: Ace's "high treason" best solution to the Right Problem
Example 18: Circa 1935 enemy for Iran was Stalin, not Hitler
Example 19: Circa 1935 Iran's STRP was via Hitler and no one else
Example 20: Ace understood Iran's railroad was STRP for Allies
Example 21: Zahedi's STRP in creation of SAVAK
Example 22: Shah's STRP in removal of feudal system
Example 23: Carter's ingrained inability to predict long term future
Example 24: Jews STRP in settling for a superpower middle east
- Atoning
Example 1: Luther passing the problem of sins to Jesus
Example 2: Concept of "kaffAreh" in Islam
* attributes:
- Secrecy
Example 1: Curzon's silence on Indians
Example 2: Iran's open doors
Example 3: American Natives open doors
Example 4: U.S. Navy's open doors
Example 5: U.S. embassy in Tehran, August 1953
Example 6: destroying original "Persia and the Persian Question"
Example 7: modern day hidden "Monastery" collections
Example 8: Brits hiding behind Americans to limit Iran's power
- Predictability
Example 1: Role of Caucasus MH in October 1917 Revolution in Russia
Example 2: Ahmad Shah's League Of Nations threat to British Empire
Example 3: Qualifying Exam Scores, Chinese MH is most unpridictable
Example 4: Consequences of Carter's plan against Shah and Israel
Example 5: USA's failures in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanestan, and Syria
Example 6: CIA's assessment of Iran: "Island of Stability" circa 1978
Example 7: CIA's gathered MH data useless in predicting the MH
Example 8: CIA's gathered CH data very useful in predicting the CH
Example 9: Sci.physics CH failure in predicting me for 20 years
Example 10: One CH reveals everything about the group he belongs
Example 11: One MH reveals nothing about any other MH
Example 12: Simple opinion polls work only for CH population
Example 13: Jewish use of polls from MH to juice CH fools
Example 14: Hitler's failure in predicting Iran's role
Example 15: 1949 inability of CH Soviets to predict Shah and Iran
Example 16: CIA's blunder in predicting Iran's STRP of feudal system
Function of Atoning in ACOB:
MH is too careful a form of human to let go of a sin committed even
after going through punishment that law imposes on him. In any thought
or religion or law that developed among MH, committing sin also leads to
measures to face it and deal with it and correct it as much as it can be
done. It is done in _addition_ to receiving punishment from normal
courts of law.
History shows CH does not have this function in its ACOB. In fact what
we see in them is always a tendency to make committing sin acceptable.
For instance Luther had to leave it to Jesus to take care of CH sins,
giving in to the fact that CH has an ingrained inability to deal with or
even fully feel his sins.
I don't know enough about how Indians (and Chinese) handle sin, but I
give it a high probability they've come up with their own way of atoning
when a sin is committed.
In Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, and the subsequent Islam, Iranians
developed measures to compensate for any act of sin. The concept of
"kaffAreh" (atonement) in Islam forces you to do something about the sin
you have committed. You'd report it to a knowledgeable source of Islamic
thoughts in that subject (a certain clergy) and he'd give you a few
options from which you chose. These options could have in them
financial, deeds, even long term undertakings depending on what your own
overall situation is and what the nature of your sin was, and how much
money you have, what skills you have, or how much time you have, etc.
I mentioned I have a hunch Indians have a similar system among them
because I remember in that nice movie about Gandhi there was this Hindu
who had killed a Moslem by hitting his head by a large stone and felt
guilt and could not hold it in himself. This was like how a true MH is;
while, a CH in his shoes would keep on living happily like nothing had
happened - look at all these CH mercenaries sent to MH countries to kill
for almost no reason. CH has made a career out of it!
So this Hindu had to go to Gandhi and confess to see if the latter could
come up with a way to help him reduce his extreme sense of guilt so he
can go on with his life like a normal man. Gandhi within a moment told
him he should find a young son of a Moslem man that had died, and adopt
that son as his own son, and raise him in a way to make sure he grows up
to become a Moslem!
The Hindu for a moment absorbed the enormity of the undertaking, and
right away he discovered this was the only solution for his problem :-)
A true atonement. And he immediately began to feel better.
I don't see this behavior among CH. CH goes to his priest (if he ever
does that), confesses, and priest tells him the rest is with Jesus! End
of the story. Good fucking deal.
It's not there! This function is not inside CH's psyche to begin with.
That's why they can so easily make a career of committing sin for money.
If you look at these mercenaries, you often see all the hallmarks of CH
on them, from the way they look, to the way they live, and to the way
they get handled by MH!
We MH handle them like we handle animals who don't know better.
"kaffAreh" in Islam is dealt with very delicately. The judge determining
it for you has a special area of education that normal clerics don't.
Most clerics in Iran study jurisprudence cause it is the easiest and
fastest to get expert in and begin making a living with it as various
judges that handle a huge part of problems that can come up among MH.
But the expert in kaffareh has to go deeper into Islam to gain that
insight. He has to study "Morality" also. Morality is another area in
Islam which is harder to study and takes longer to get expert in because
it is the study of what the _consequences_ of foundation postulates in
Islam are, and how these consequences, in turn, should lead to
jurisprudence laws. In other words, you need to know very well how to
deduce laws in jurisprudence from concepts in Morality, as well as how
to deduce concepts in Morality from foundation postulates. It is very
involved and often requires talent to achieve that.
For that same reason you don't find that many experts in Morality. But
here and there they exist. Khomeyni was one! At his time there were only
6 other experts in Morality in Iran.
And of course there are other experts in Islam that study what the
foundation postulates themselves should be! That area in Islam is called
"kalAm" and has its own experts. Their job is to deduce correct
postulates from Quran.
Different Moslems have different sets of postulates. Some of them of
course overlap but here and there one has a few more or a few less
postulates in them. Shi'ite Islam (my background) has 7 postulates 5 of
which overlap Sonni Islam. Wahabism I think only has 3 postulates. Other
sects various other postulates, some overlapping some not.
So Islam, being one of the religions of the MH, is quite analytic in
fact. You can't just open your mouth and begin bullshitting in it.
Everything is there for a reason and in relation to something else
deeper inside, and the latter in turn is there as a result of one or
more postulates in that form of Islam, and yet these postulates
themselves are there because a whole bunch of very intelligent and
talented guys throughout 1400 years of history interpreted them from
Quran, not one of them a CH.
For same reasons, Islam is not a myth or a fairy tale like your Bible.
It is serious analytical _thought_ from begin to end, and at the same
time it is open for improvement! If you can beat the thoughts already in
there by a better thought that is! In other words, if you can start from
Quran and deduce a different set of postulates, then from these
postulates deduce the correct set of Morality concepts that follow from
them, and from these newly developed morality concept deduce a new set
of jurisprudence laws, then all you need to do is to defend your
"thesis" so to speak against the best Moslem minds dead or alive :-) If
you win, you have created a major reform in Islam, another one in
addition to Wahabism, Sunni, Shi'te, Ahmadi, Shafe'i, etc. If you lose
the argument it's up to you to either work more on that "thesis" for a
stronger better defense in the future, or perhaps see the flaw in your
thesis (if it is a major flaw) and forget about it.
You CH have no idea how primitive your religion today is. No idea! Your
religion reflects _you_ of course. It is what you could come up with.
So to get expert in concept of kaffareh (atonement) a normal cleric who
knows jurisprudence must delve into - not all - but some of the areas of
Morality underneath it as well. That's why you don't see them as often
as regular clerics, but there are many of them easily reachable by
anyone who has a guilt to deal with. They are of course much more
numerous than the few who are experts in all areas of Morality.
You go to one of these experts, confess, and he will ask you questions
to find who you are and what your overall situation is, then he'll study
your sin and will come up with the solution for you that's best course
of action to deal with the sin you committed. Remember that this is
totally separate from what consequences and punishments you additionally
received earlier for your sin if you violated one or more of
jurisprudence laws as well.
Nobody can force you to atone. Yet the need for it in MH has been so
significant that this whole system had to develop to deal with it!
That's how MH deals with sin. Atoning is a major function in MH ACOB
because we are insightful and careful humans. In CH it doesn't even
exist, because CH is simply an earlier form of human. MH is beyond them.
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| From | Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-11-27 19:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <snulm0$c3v$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #836810 |
On 11/26/2021 9:48 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
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Ok, so far:
Analytics Compartment Of Brain (ACOB):
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* functions:
- Substitution
Example 1: CH getting fired means "calamity"
Example 2: demography of junkies is almost pure CH
Example 3: meaningful physical activity vs idiotic movements
Example 4: Martin Luther's 2nd downgrading of Christianity to fit CH
Example 5: CH difficulty to emigre
Example 6: my moving to USA
Example 7: from dollar to cryptocurrency
Example 8: MH invention of writing
Example 9: destroying Greek MH advances
Example 10: Dark Ages: Descend to CH earlier human's roots
Example 11: Christianity's 1st downgrading of Mithraism to fit CH
Example 12: Inability to leave CH group despite free houses offered
Example 13: CH settlement in America only after European MH settled
Example 14: Adoption of Islam
Example 15: Mongols' adoption of cultures superior to theirs
Example 16: Ahmad Shah's ability to change to a civilian life
Example 17: Jews changing to a coexistence plan in 1962
- Solving The Right Problem (STRP)
Example 1: war instead of trade
Example 2: Roman Empire issue
Example 3: Russian Empire issue
Example 4: War with Mongols entailing STRP on both sides
Example 5: Solving the Mongols issue after defeat
Example 6: Hitler vs Jews
Example 7: Martin Luther vs Jews
Example 8: Islam entailing STRP for many difficult problems
Example 9: Polygamy as legal and moral practice
Example 10: Problem of gender exceptions
Example 11: Prostitutes' Rights
Example 12: Ahmad Shah abdicating the throne
Example 13: Curzon's inability to solve the "Persian Question"
Example 14: Curzon's attempts to solve imaginary problems instead
Example 15: Ace attacked the Right Problem, not fringe issues
Example 16: Ace traded fringe issues for solutions to Right Problems
Example 17: Ace's "high treason" best solution to the Right Problem
Example 18: Circa 1935 enemy for Iran was Stalin, not Hitler
Example 19: Circa 1935 Iran's STRP was via Hitler and no one else
Example 20: Ace understood Iran's railroad was STRP for Allies
Example 21: Zahedi's STRP in creation of SAVAK
Example 22: Shah's STRP in removal of feudal system
Example 23: Carter's ingrained inability to predict long term future
Example 24: Jews STRP in settling for a superpower middle east
- Atoning
Example 1: Luther passing the problem of sins to Jesus
Example 2: Concept of "kaffAreh" in Islam
* attributes:
- Secrecy
Example 1: Curzon's silence on Indians
Example 2: Iran's open doors
Example 3: American Natives open doors
Example 4: U.S. Navy's open doors
Example 5: U.S. embassy in Tehran, August 1953
Example 6: destroying original "Persia and the Persian Question"
Example 7: modern day hidden "Monastery" collections
Example 8: Brits hiding behind Americans to limit Iran's power
- Predictability
Example 1: Role of Caucasus MH in October 1917 Revolution in Russia
Example 2: Ahmad Shah's League Of Nations threat to British Empire
Example 3: Qualifying Exam Scores, Chinese MH is most unpridictable
Example 4: Consequences of Carter's plan against Shah and Israel
Example 5: USA's failures in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanestan, and Syria
Example 6: CIA's assessment of Iran: "Island of Stability" circa 1978
Example 7: CIA's gathered MH data useless in predicting the MH
Example 8: CIA's gathered CH data very useful in predicting the CH
Example 9: Sci.physics CH failure in predicting me for 20 years
Example 10: One CH reveals everything about the group he belongs
Example 11: One MH reveals nothing about any other MH
Example 12: Simple opinion polls work only for CH population
Example 13: Jewish use of polls from MH to juice CH fools
Example 14: Hitler's failure in predicting Iran's role
Example 15: 1949 inability of CH Soviets to predict Shah and Iran
Example 16: CIA's blunder in predicting Iran's STRP of feudal system
- Patience
Feature 1: Support may come
Feature 2: You keep at it
Feature 3: It is something MH does, but something CH tries
Feature 4: Knowing yourself requires it
Feature 5: It tells you if you have drifted
Feature 6: It fills in the needed detail
Now attribute of Patience:
It comes in many forms and is quite an important part of how MH deals
with the world. Lack of patience, or worse, some attribute directly
working opposite to Patience that many CH exhibit in themselves
(attribute of Instant Gratification - will discuss later) has in many
situations negative outcomes and no matter how often or repeatedly these
facts are experienced by one and the same CH, they don't seem to remedy
that shortcoming in him.
First I note here that lack of the attribute of Patience is something
new in general animals. Presently all animals exhibit quite a bit of
patience, including apes and monkeys, closest cousins to us in tree of
evolution. But somehow this attribute is missing in CH. I suspect
Neanderthals were extremely impatient humans. Otherwise the CH children
that they made with MH wouldn't be so devoid of it.
So my guess is that either lack of patience began with Neanderthals or
from at most one or two species before them, and by introduction of MH
it made its way back into mainstream humanity. Cause literally all the
animals possess great sense of patience.
I could never be as patient as a cat, or a dog, or a horse, etc. We
cannot beat other life forms not too far distanced from us in this
particular attribute.
So its absence only showed up in some of the earlier humans, the last of
which are CH.
Simply put, patience opens up the widest window of opportunities. A lot
of things in a complex world can happen in time :) Denying yourself of
that is simply stupid, so at least part of the fact that we MH are a
patient species is our superior ACOB itself. In war and in peace time,
situations can come up where patience would play its part toward the STRP.
This really says it all. As simple as it is and yet as ever present as
its role is in just about anything we do in life.
If I want to bring examples for cases where patience played its part, I
would have to list just about all the examples I brought for all the
functions in ACOB for a second time over under this particular
attribute. I won't do that; instead, I'll go over a few aspects and
advantages of patience itself in a more specific sense. For instance,
you never know some sort of _support_ might become available if you
practice patience in a difficult situation.
Feature 1: Support may come
Time takes away things and brings to you other things as well, if you
look carefully. Both! You never know unless you practice patience. You
do what you can then you stay vigilant. Support for your problem may
come and become available for you to take advantage.
Feature 2: You keep at it
If you are sure of what you are doing, and what you are doing happens to
be original and novel, then almost with certainty you will experience
resistance from others no matter MH or CH. World generally resists it!
So you need to "fight" for it for a good while. You must keep at it. One
or two or 10 or 20 defeats should mean nothing to you. You must continue
fighting for it.
Edison's efforts are proverbial in keeping the fight up until the right
solution was found for his novel and original ideas.
Vietcong and Taliban were certain that they were on the correct path, so
they fought for it till the end. It took about 14 years for the Vietcong
to kick American asses out. It took 20 years for the Taliban to do the
same.
Feature 3: It is something MH does, but something CH tries
Patience is not some idea or technique that you decide to "try" :) it
isn't something you want to see if works or not. It is something you
_do_ or do not. MH does it no matter what, CH doesn't do it no matter what.
Remember that Japanese WWII soldier that came out of the jungle in
Philippines after 30 years of hiding in it? It was in 1970s that he was
at last discovered and it took Japan finding his immediate commander 30
years back to take him to Philippines and have him tell the soldier
American forces no longer were stationed in the nearby city and have
stopped killing Japs as soon as they'd put their hands on them. Only
then! Only then the soldier happily got out and flew home to Japan. He
had exercised patience for 30 years! All those years he had been under
the impression that occupation of Philippines by American forces had
continued. So he had also continued to wait like day one. He didn't try
patience to see how it'll go, he just _did_ it.
It is something you "do", not something you try and see what the outcome
is. CH tries, MH does!
Feature 4: Knowing yourself requires it
Lack of patience also denies you the time to carefully observe yourself
to find out just who you are. So it plays a role in knowing your own
character, where you are good at, where you are weak, how much risk can
you manage, how hard a goal can you choose, with what little can you
live, what must you avoid, what must you put in use, etc, and etc.
Patience gets you there on all such accounts.
Some of the risks I took in my life I could not have been able to take
if I didn't know myself quite well. So, bad or good, patience for me has
been a life changer. I'm sure it is also the same for any other MH.
Feature 5: It tells you if you have drifted
An intricate feature in attribute of Patience is that it provides you a
form of probe with which you can compare your path in life to the ideal
path for who you are. And it can do that in a simple and easy way :-)
All you need to do is to look back and see if you've been almost always
successful or not :-) Heheh :) If you see that anything you did was
hitting bull's eye, you're not where you should be. You have not taken
enough risks. You've been wasting time standing too close to the target
board! You're wasting what you are. The path you are on, is not the best
path you should be on. You've drifted!
Again I have stuff from my own life to back it up. But I won't go over
them. Suffice it to say, attribute of Patience is the one leading you to
know such subtle yet important stuff.
What do you do after, say, finding out that you've drifted? I can only
say that for myself again. I immediately embarked on trying new ideas :)
No matter how small or large.
CH?.. Forget that. Many paths CH has taken as a group have been
clueless. Many laws they have are inferior and primitive compared to
those of the MH. Lack of patience has opened holes on their psyche
through which detrimental designs can easily travel and reach the vital
parts! Chinese MH figured CH out before investing on production of cheap
fentanyl. They knew how it would rule particularly your lives. Same with
the MH in Colombia, Mexico, etc. They know who you are and how to reach
your control areas via cocaine and heroin.
Feature 6: It fills in the needed detail
I think this feature is best explained by how City adjusts the
distribution of traffic signs. Of course there is an initial basic set
of rules that is followed everywhere. But after that City _waits_ and
watches! Waits to see where accidents are more often taking place. Where
traffic jams get always created, where you can see tire marks on the
grassy area along main roads formed by vehicles who found some reason to
go over the grass because there was no outlet to that road in that spot.
You get my point.
If you exert patience, a lot of useful details automatically show
themselves in your plan! You can see where it needs improvement and
where it needs even overhaul. My sister is an experienced architect. She
tells me that a work of an architect is never finished in one study. You
study it and create it and build it, then you sit and wait what happens
to it! What details needs to be added and which ones are redundant and
useless. You'd practically see people's tracks made on a grassy area
around the building by usage, and you find out that's the best track to
choose for making a narrow nice brick pavement for people to cross that
grassy area :-)
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