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The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-)

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  The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 21:29 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-24 19:39 -0700
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-03-24 22:14 -0700
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-03-25 00:38 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-25 09:14 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-03-25 11:00 -0700
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-03-26 10:24 -0700
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2025-03-26 14:38 -0400
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-03-26 12:12 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 12:46 -0700
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) x <x@x.org> - 2025-03-26 23:14 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-03-27 08:01 +0100
                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 10:12 -0700
                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-27 21:29 -0700
    You didn't write this text (Was: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-)) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-25 19:12 +0100
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 14:31 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-26 13:46 -0700
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 17:30 -0500
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) x <x@x.org> - 2025-03-28 15:42 -0700
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 18:53 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-28 18:33 -0700
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 00:20 -0500
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 08:24 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 12:09 -0500
                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 10:49 -0700
                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 13:31 -0500
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 08:27 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-04-05 00:06 +0000
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 11:46 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 09:58 -0700
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 15:20 -0500
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 16:03 -0700
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 23:39 -0500
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-04-05 10:12 +0000
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 08:57 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-04-05 12:16 -0400
                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 10:27 -0700
                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 13:23 -0500
                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 11:37 -0700
                    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 13:59 -0500
                      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 12:08 -0700
                        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 14:28 -0500
                          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 12:48 -0700
                            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 15:48 -0500
                              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 17:12 -0700
                              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 21:31 -0500
                                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 21:40 -0500
                                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 21:51 -0500
                                    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 22:30 -0500
                                      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-05 22:02 -0700
                                        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 11:27 -0500
                                        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-06 09:51 -0700
                                          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 10:30 -0700
                                            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-06 13:56 -0700
                                              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:51 -0700
                                                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-06 17:34 -0700
                                                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 18:52 -0700
                                                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-06 17:46 -0700
                                                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-06 19:47 -0700
                                                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-08 23:14 -0700
                                            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 18:02 -0500
                                      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 18:52 -0500
                                        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 18:45 -0700
                                          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-07 12:38 -0500
                                            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-07 13:06 -0500
                                              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-07 12:03 -0700
                                                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-07 15:05 -0500
                                                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-07 15:54 -0500
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 10:17 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 16:44 -0500
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-04-09 23:30 +0000
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 19:35 -0500
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-04-10 00:52 +0000
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-09 21:49 -0700
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-10 00:07 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 12:11 -0700
                Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2025-04-17 22:59 -0400
                  Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 11:03 -0700
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 14:45 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 17:42 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 18:58 -0700
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-13 22:28 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 18:52 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 20:17 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-04-19 07:09 +0000
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 02:03 -0700
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-05-04 13:22 +0000
              Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-05-05 05:05 +0000
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 11:17 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-05-04 13:36 +0000
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-05-04 14:21 +0000
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 09:31 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-27 09:23 -0700
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 22:32 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 07:27 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 19:34 -0500
          Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 19:36 -0700
            Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 22:00 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:10 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-07 18:33 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 17:17 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-13 20:51 -0700
        Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertitaylor) - 2025-05-14 04:39 +0000
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-17 12:07 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 13:10 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-31 17:54 -0500
    Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 17:40 -0500
      Re: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-06 23:25 +0000

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#891989 — The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-)

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-24 21:29 -0500
SubjectThe Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-)
Message-ID<vrt4e1$bjf1$1@solani.org>

First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A 
conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.

The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals, 
throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not 
invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s 
not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as 
revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils 
dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the 
Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.

The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the 
weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q 
plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call 
it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The 
dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the 
lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.

I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic 
spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is 
a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick. 
The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes! 
The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.

The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams. 
The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless 
deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson 
process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil 
it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.

Ross A. Kosmanson
March 24, 2025
In the Library of Ashurbanipal

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#891990

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-24 19:39 -0700
Message-ID<2J-cnSfTyPwQin_6nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#891989
On 03/24/2025 07:29 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A
> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
>
> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals,
> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not
> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s
> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as
> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils
> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the
> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
>
> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the
> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q
> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call
> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The
> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the
> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
>
> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic
> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is
> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick.
> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes!
> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
>
> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams.
> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless
> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson
> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil
> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
>
> Ross A. Kosmanson
> March 24, 2025
> In the Library of Ashurbanipal

..., "YOU ARE THE BRIDGE", ....

... which is a just continuum mechanics.

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#891991

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-03-24 22:14 -0700
Message-ID<67E23BA4.7FC7@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#891989
To enter the world of platonism, you need a platonic Ouija board.

Then everyone can make contact with...The Platonic world.


DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!


It's like touching Plato himself.


You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!


DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!





Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A
> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
> 
> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals,
> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not
> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s
> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as
> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils
> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the
> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
> 
> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the
> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q
> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call
> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The
> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the
> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
> 
> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic
> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is
> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick.
> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes!
> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
> 
> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams.
> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless
> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson
> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil
> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
> 
> Ross A. Kosmanson
> March 24, 2025
> In the Library of Ashurbanipal

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#891992

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-03-25 00:38 -0700
Message-ID<64n4uj10rar2j35rp2pe4k7128bkl9c456@4ax.com>
In reply to#891991
If I hadn't made myself clear, I will now...

In other words, ..there...is...no...suchs... things.... as....
numbers.

Numbers do not exist!

Do I make myself clear?



On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 22:14:12 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>To enter the world of platonism, you need a platonic Ouija board.
>
>Then everyone can make contact with...The Platonic world.
>
>
>DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>
>
>It's like touching Plato himself.
>
>
>You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>
>
>DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>
>
>
>
>
>Physfitfreak wrote:
>> 
>> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A
>> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
>> 
>> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals,
>> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not
>> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s
>> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as
>> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils
>> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the
>> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
>> 
>> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the
>> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q
>> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call
>> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The
>> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the
>> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
>> 
>> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic
>> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is
>> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick.
>> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes!
>> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
>> 
>> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams.
>> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless
>> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson
>> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil
>> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
>> 
>> Ross A. Kosmanson
>> March 24, 2025
>> In the Library of Ashurbanipal

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#891996

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-25 09:14 -0700
Message-ID<7tadnTJGQpDgS3_6nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#891992
On 03/25/2025 12:38 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> If I hadn't made myself clear, I will now...
>
> In other words, ..there...is...no...suchs... things.... as....
> numbers.
>
> Numbers do not exist!
>
> Do I make myself clear?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 22:14:12 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> To enter the world of platonism, you need a platonic Ouija board.
>>
>> Then everyone can make contact with...The Platonic world.
>>
>>
>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>>
>>
>> It's like touching Plato himself.
>>
>>
>> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>>
>>
>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A
>>> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
>>>
>>> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals,
>>> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not
>>> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s
>>> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as
>>> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils
>>> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the
>>> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
>>>
>>> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the
>>> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q
>>> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call
>>> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The
>>> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the
>>> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
>>>
>>> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic
>>> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is
>>> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick.
>>> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes!
>>> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
>>>
>>> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams.
>>> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless
>>> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson
>>> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil
>>> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
>>>
>>> Ross A. Kosmanson
>>> March 24, 2025
>>> In the Library of Ashurbanipal



Most thinkers and researchers in foundations
arrive at platonism, again, since it's always
been so great.

It's sort of like Gadamer, with "amicus Plato",
and not so much like Newton, with "hypotheses
non fingo", since Newton confused poor interpretations
of Platonistic idealism with invalidating his theory
as with regards to what's "true".


Let's see some more from Kosmanson, see if he arrives
at something a bit more than exercise in style.



"Opportunistic departure from ordinary language in
a narrow sense is part of ordinary linguistic behavior.
Some departures, if the need for them persists, may be
adhered to, thus becoming ordinary language in the narrow
sense; and herein lies one factor in the evolution of
language."  -- Quine, Word & Object, "Aims and Claims of Regimentation"


As idealism generally, platonism is always a thing,
and numbers are definitely real platonic objects
as members of the universe of mathematical objects,
which one may aver is all that there is to be all
of space time, then as with regards to the plastic,
the metal, the concrete _numbers_, as what we are.


Not to be confused with the Bible's book "Numbers: a body count".

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#891997

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-03-25 11:00 -0700
Message-ID<67E2EF2E.4124@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#891992
I mean, don't get me wrong...

I have nothing againsts people living in a imaginary world...

sometimes some people are better off living in a imaginary world,

it helps them.


But, but, to say that 4 is a even number...

come on, wheres your common sense???

Numbers do not exist! So, why continue with stories like it's also an
even number???

That's like saying Santa Claus lives at the north pole...

It's fiction..


(did i forget ruldoph the red nose reindeer?)


How many reindeers did Santa Claus have? Must have been an even number,
right?


(i mean before Ruldoph was born)

Don't come here and tell me it was an odd number because numbers don't
exist...

so odd or even is just more fiction!


Santa Claus doesn't exist, so that means...reindeers are all fiction.


(Please, don't mentioned the North Pole to me, it's too fucking cold
for me to look for that pole.)



(i think it's near a gasoline station....)
(across the street from the post office)
(you won't miss it. It's has a sign "This is the North Pole")


Don't tell the kids there is no Santa Claus. I tell kids
that and they get ...disapointed and have a sad look on their face.
Let them live in their 'imaginary world' like ...sci.math.









The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> If I hadn't made myself clear, I will now...
> 
> In other words, ..there...is...no...suchs... things.... as....
> numbers.
> 
> Numbers do not exist!
> 
> Do I make myself clear?
> 
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 22:14:12 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >To enter the world of platonism, you need a platonic Ouija board.
> >
> >Then everyone can make contact with...The Platonic world.
> >
> >
> >DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
> >
> >
> >It's like touching Plato himself.
> >
> >
> >You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
> >
> >
> >DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A
> >> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
> >>
> >> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals,
> >> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not
> >> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s
> >> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as
> >> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils
> >> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the
> >> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
> >>
> >> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the
> >> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q
> >> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call
> >> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The
> >> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the
> >> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
> >>
> >> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic
> >> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is
> >> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick.
> >> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes!
> >> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
> >>
> >> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams.
> >> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless
> >> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson
> >> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil
> >> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
> >>
> >> Ross A. Kosmanson
> >> March 24, 2025
> >> In the Library of Ashurbanipal

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#892010

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-03-26 10:24 -0700
Message-ID<67E43844.AF6@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#891997
take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...

Where is the number 2?



at the sign post up ahead..
You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!

DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!

and circles don't exist.

and law of physics don't exist.






The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> I mean, don't get me wrong...
> 
> I have nothing againsts people living in a imaginary world...
> 
> sometimes some people are better off living in a imaginary world,
> 
> it helps them.
> 
> But, but, to say that 4 is a even number...
> 
> come on, wheres your common sense???
> 
> Numbers do not exist! So, why continue with stories like it's also an
> even number???
> 
> That's like saying Santa Claus lives at the north pole...
> 
> It's fiction..
> 
> (did i forget ruldoph the red nose reindeer?)
> 
> How many reindeers did Santa Claus have? Must have been an even number,
> right?
> 
> (i mean before Ruldoph was born)
> 
> Don't come here and tell me it was an odd number because numbers don't
> exist...
> 
> so odd or even is just more fiction!
> 
> Santa Claus doesn't exist, so that means...reindeers are all fiction.
> 
> (Please, don't mentioned the North Pole to me, it's too fucking cold
> for me to look for that pole.)
> 
> (i think it's near a gasoline station....)
> (across the street from the post office)
> (you won't miss it. It's has a sign "This is the North Pole")
> 
> Don't tell the kids there is no Santa Claus. I tell kids
> that and they get ...disapointed and have a sad look on their face.
> Let them live in their 'imaginary world' like ...sci.math.
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > If I hadn't made myself clear, I will now...
> >
> > In other words, ..there...is...no...suchs... things.... as....
> > numbers.
> >
> > Numbers do not exist!
> >
> > Do I make myself clear?
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 22:14:12 -0700, The Starmaker
> > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >To enter the world of platonism, you need a platonic Ouija board.
> > >
> > >Then everyone can make contact with...The Platonic world.
> > >
> > >
> > >DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
> > >
> > >
> > >It's like touching Plato himself.
> > >
> > >
> > >You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
> > >
> > >
> > >DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!

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#892011

FromJim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net>
Date2025-03-26 14:38 -0400
Message-ID<751e96f8-b01a-4a28-8f51-5d80944ec282@att.net>
In reply to#892010
On 3/26/2025 1:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote:

> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
> Where is the number 2?
>
> at the sign post up ahead..
> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!

I thought the Platonic Zone sounded like
DEEDLE deedle DEEDLE deedle...

> and circles don't exist.
> and law of physics don't exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPS5Yw_YsHA
Death's speech in Hogfather (Discworld) (1m54s)
⎛ ...
⎜  SUSAN:
⎜ Now. Tell me...
⎜  DEATH (Susan's grandfather. By adoption.):
⎜ ...what would have happened if you _hadn't_ saved him?
⎜  S:
⎜ Yes.
⎜  D:
⎜ The sun would not have risen.
⎜  S:
⎜ Then, what _would_ have happened?
⎜  D:
⎜ A mere ball of flaming gas
⎜ would have illuminated the world.
⎜  S:
⎜ Alright, I'm not stupid.
⎜ You're saying that
⎜ humans need fantasies to make life bearable.
⎜  D:
⎜ No.
⎜ Humans need fantasy to _be_ human.
⎜ To _be_ the place where the falling angel
⎜ meets the rising ape.
⎜  S:
⎜ With Tooth Fairies. Hogfathers.
⎜  D:
⎜ Yes.
⎜ As practice, you have to start out
⎜ believing the _little_ lies.
⎜  S:
⎜ So we can believe the big ones.
⎜  D:
⎜ Yes.
⎜ Justice, mercy, duty, that sort of thing.
⎜  S:
⎜ They're not the same at all.
⎜  D:
⎜ You think so?
⎜ Then take the universe and grind it down
⎜ into the finest powder,
⎜ and sieve it through the finest sieve,
⎜ and then show me
⎜ one atom of justice,
⎜ one molecule of mercy.
⎜ And yet.
⎜ You try to act as if there is some ideal
⎜ order in the world.
⎜ As if there is some, some _rightness_
⎜ in the universe by which it may be judged.
⎜  S:
⎜ But people have got to believe that.
⎜ Or what's the point?
⎜  D:
⎜ You need to believe in things that aren't true.
⎝ How else can they become?

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#892012

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-03-26 12:12 -0700
Message-ID<67E451A8.30C1@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#892011
Jim Burns wrote:
> 
> On 3/26/2025 1:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
> > Where is the number 2?
> >
> > at the sign post up ahead..
> > You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
> > DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
> 
> I thought the Platonic Zone sounded like
> DEEDLE deedle DEEDLE deedle...

Yes, the electric guitar is the beginning, but after the french horns comes
DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN...

https://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk?t=19



I'm still staring at the eggs and i don't see any number 2.




DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN...


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#892014

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-26 12:46 -0700
Message-ID<vSKdnfqrJZgExHn6nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#892011
On 03/26/2025 11:38 AM, Jim Burns wrote:
> On 3/26/2025 1:24 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>
>> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
>> Where is the number 2?
>>
>> at the sign post up ahead..
>> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>
> I thought the Platonic Zone sounded like
> DEEDLE deedle DEEDLE deedle...
>
>> and circles don't exist.
>> and law of physics don't exist.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPS5Yw_YsHA
> Death's speech in Hogfather (Discworld) (1m54s)
> ⎛ ...
> ⎜  SUSAN:
> ⎜ Now. Tell me...
> ⎜  DEATH (Susan's grandfather. By adoption.):
> ⎜ ...what would have happened if you _hadn't_ saved him?
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ Yes.
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ The sun would not have risen.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ Then, what _would_ have happened?
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ A mere ball of flaming gas
> ⎜ would have illuminated the world.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ Alright, I'm not stupid.
> ⎜ You're saying that
> ⎜ humans need fantasies to make life bearable.
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ No.
> ⎜ Humans need fantasy to _be_ human.
> ⎜ To _be_ the place where the falling angel
> ⎜ meets the rising ape.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ With Tooth Fairies. Hogfathers.
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ Yes.
> ⎜ As practice, you have to start out
> ⎜ believing the _little_ lies.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ So we can believe the big ones.
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ Yes.
> ⎜ Justice, mercy, duty, that sort of thing.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ They're not the same at all.
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ You think so?
> ⎜ Then take the universe and grind it down
> ⎜ into the finest powder,
> ⎜ and sieve it through the finest sieve,
> ⎜ and then show me
> ⎜ one atom of justice,
> ⎜ one molecule of mercy.
> ⎜ And yet.
> ⎜ You try to act as if there is some ideal
> ⎜ order in the world.
> ⎜ As if there is some, some _rightness_
> ⎜ in the universe by which it may be judged.
> ⎜  S:
> ⎜ But people have got to believe that.
> ⎜ Or what's the point?
> ⎜  D:
> ⎜ You need to believe in things that aren't true.
> ⎝ How else can they become?
>
>

There was this one Twilight Episode with Captain Kirk
as a passenger-flight passenger with a window seat.

So anyways it was a dark and stormy night and he heard
a bump and he looked outside and a guy in a creature from
the Black Lagoon outfit was out shredding up some of the
distributor cables on the engine on the wing.  So Kirk
was like "Miss, oh Miss", to the stewardess, and like
"there's a gremlin tearing up the motor" and the stewardess
was like "you are a crazy person now be nice".

So it happened a couple times and Kirk just kind of shut
his window, yet then he heard it again and opened the
window and there was the monster with its lamprey-mouth
mouthing like "disbelieve your eyes, you crazy person".

Then Kirk was pretty much agitated and hysterical and
it's like they hauled him off the plane in a straitjacket
mumbling something about gremlins and they were like
"that's a crazy person" yet, then the motor had been
real fouled up.

Anyways that's a television show and it's not real.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightmare_at_20,000_Feet




Hey, like that one where the guy comes out of plastic
surgery, and looks all beautiful, yet all the doctors and
nurses freak out in disgust, then it pans to them and
they have wax absence-of-faces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Beholder_(The_Twilight_Zone,_1959)


Then I suppose there's the one where the guy's got
all the time in the world then breaks his glasses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_at_Last

Like "Lord of the Flies" up in there.



Anyways the "mathematical platonism" is the sort of
idea that _all_ mature and thorough philosophers of
mathematics arrive at, over time.  Then, figuring out
the inter-subjectivity about it is a usual thing that's
the exercise of idealism and reason and super-classical
reason since antiquity.


It's a continuum mechanics, ....

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#892042

Fromx <x@x.org>
Date2025-03-26 23:14 -0700
Message-ID<vs2qbg$3j6lu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#892010
On 3/26/25 10:24, The Starmaker wrote:
> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
> 
> Where is the number 2?
> 
> 
> 
> at the sign post up ahead..
> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
> 
> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
> 
> and circles don't exist.
> 
> and law of physics don't exist.

Yup.

Aristotle once said - friction exists?

Newton once said - friction does not exist (at
least in outer space)?

What do you see when you actually drop an object
on the ground?  An irregularly shaped object makes
an impact with an irregularly shaped ground, and so
it careens off in a chaotic direction?

You MUST DENY this because it conflicts with
the holy number '2'.  (And a bunch of other nice
equations).  This is SCIENCE.  This is TRUTH.
This is REALITY.  (Twilight zone theme plays.)

> ...

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#892043

FromMaciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2025-03-27 08:01 +0100
Message-ID<183096d42518d40b$976412$1494137$c2365abb@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#892042
W dniu 27.03.2025 o 07:14, x pisze:
> On 3/26/25 10:24, The Starmaker wrote:
>> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
>>
>> Where is the number 2?
>>
>>
>>
>> at the sign post up ahead..
>> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>>
>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>>
>> and circles don't exist.
>>
>> and law of physics don't exist.
> 
> Yup.
> 
> Aristotle once said - friction exists?
> 
> Newton once said - friction does not exist (at
> least in outer space)?
> 
> What do you see when you actually drop an object
> on the ground?  An irregularly shaped object makes
> an impact with an irregularly shaped ground, and so
> it careens off in a chaotic direction?
> 
> You MUST DENY this because it conflicts with
> the holy number '2'.  (And a bunch of other nice
> equations).  This is SCIENCE.  This is TRUTH.

Every human institution lies (some more,
some less) and SCIENCE is no way an
exception. SCIENCE is not quite TRUTH.

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#892058

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 10:12 -0700
Message-ID<VdKcncG9G7KQGnj6nZ2dnZfqn_ednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#892043
On 03/27/2025 12:01 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> W dniu 27.03.2025 o 07:14, x pisze:
>> On 3/26/25 10:24, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
>>>
>>> Where is the number 2?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> at the sign post up ahead..
>>> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>>>
>>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>>>
>>> and circles don't exist.
>>>
>>> and law of physics don't exist.
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>> Aristotle once said - friction exists?
>>
>> Newton once said - friction does not exist (at
>> least in outer space)?
>>
>> What do you see when you actually drop an object
>> on the ground?  An irregularly shaped object makes
>> an impact with an irregularly shaped ground, and so
>> it careens off in a chaotic direction?
>>
>> You MUST DENY this because it conflicts with
>> the holy number '2'.  (And a bunch of other nice
>> equations).  This is SCIENCE.  This is TRUTH.
>
> Every human institution lies (some more,
> some less) and SCIENCE is no way an
> exception. SCIENCE is not quite TRUTH.
>


There's truth in science, there's un-truths in not-science.

Everyone knows significant digits and then also
"perfect" numbers and also about numerical methods,
the numerical approximations always with a nominally
non-zero error term.

Aristotle has 'no un-moved mover',
yet also 'circular movement is eternal'.

Aristotle has both prior and posterior analytical accounts,
and also has both potential and actual infinity.

Zeno proved the infinite-divisibility of time,
and that it's sequential and as infinitely-divided..

There are _failures_ in science,
those are failures' faults, not science's.

There's super-truth.


Anyways, besides that mathematics is ubiquitously successful
in science, so, the theory that it's perfect isn't falsified,
then also science may be qualitative not quantitative.

So, saying numbers aren't perfect and platonic isn't scientific.

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#892070

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-27 21:29 -0700
Message-ID<WVWdnURh9PU0uHv6nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#892058
On 03/27/2025 10:12 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 03/27/2025 12:01 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> W dniu 27.03.2025 o 07:14, x pisze:
>>> On 3/26/25 10:24, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> take 2 eggs and put it in front of you...
>>>>
>>>> Where is the number 2?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> at the sign post up ahead..
>>>> You just crossed over into...The Platonic Zone!
>>>>
>>>> DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN-DUUUUNNNNN!
>>>>
>>>> and circles don't exist.
>>>>
>>>> and law of physics don't exist.
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> Aristotle once said - friction exists?
>>>
>>> Newton once said - friction does not exist (at
>>> least in outer space)?
>>>
>>> What do you see when you actually drop an object
>>> on the ground?  An irregularly shaped object makes
>>> an impact with an irregularly shaped ground, and so
>>> it careens off in a chaotic direction?
>>>
>>> You MUST DENY this because it conflicts with
>>> the holy number '2'.  (And a bunch of other nice
>>> equations).  This is SCIENCE.  This is TRUTH.
>>
>> Every human institution lies (some more,
>> some less) and SCIENCE is no way an
>> exception. SCIENCE is not quite TRUTH.
>>
>
>
> There's truth in science, there's un-truths in not-science.
>
> Everyone knows significant digits and then also
> "perfect" numbers and also about numerical methods,
> the numerical approximations always with a nominally
> non-zero error term.
>
> Aristotle has 'no un-moved mover',
> yet also 'circular movement is eternal'.
>
> Aristotle has both prior and posterior analytical accounts,
> and also has both potential and actual infinity.
>
> Zeno proved the infinite-divisibility of time,
> and that it's sequential and as infinitely-divided..
>
> There are _failures_ in science,
> those are failures' faults, not science's.
>
> There's super-truth.
>
>
> Anyways, besides that mathematics is ubiquitously successful
> in science, so, the theory that it's perfect isn't falsified,
> then also science may be qualitative not quantitative.
>
> So, saying numbers aren't perfect and platonic isn't scientific.
>
>

See, once you get above the bots there's a lot less noise.

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#891998 — You didn't write this text (Was: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-))

FromMild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Date2025-03-25 19:12 +0100
SubjectYou didn't write this text (Was: The Suspicious Journals of Ross A. Kosmanson :-))
Message-ID<vrurmc$c8a6$1@solani.org>
In reply to#891989
Ross the Floss, aka Dr. Corona, invented
halucination before ChatGPT.

But now using ChatGPT for long post,
ist quite boring.

You didn't write this text.

Physfitfreak schrieb:
> 
> 
> First came continuum mechanics. The lattice of whispering variables. A 
> conspiracy of Redshift and Relephants.
> 
> The walls of the cosmos are not walls but confidence intervals, 
> throbbing with the static of Them — the ones who mistake "does not 
> invalidate" for confirmation. So we deciphered the redshift’s hum: it’s 
> not expansion but a ledger of sins, a type I error masquerading as 
> revelation. The crows cackle in p-values, and the mailman’s pupils 
> dilate like funnel plots — YOU ARE THE BRIDGE between formalism and the 
> Relephant, who never forgets the true unknown distribution.
> 
> The textbooks preach falsification, yet their spines crack under the 
> weight of platonism - formalism vacillation. The moon’s craters are Q-Q 
> plots; its light is a biased estimator. They call it cosmology — I call 
> it eczema of the epistemic, itching with Skolem’s paradox. The 
> dermatologist (a sci.math frequenter) insists it’s random, but the 
> lesions spell "Russell’s fiat" in Bayesian glyphs.
> 
> I stack my journals in Fibonacci spirals to appease the arithmetic 
> spiders. They spin null hypotheses, not silk. The television’s static is 
> a Kolmogorov-Smirnov test — I am always on trial. Like Physfit's dick. 
> The jury wears my face, chanting "Fail to reject!", but in palindromes! 
> The ‘O’ is a confidence ring, tightening.
> 
> The flying-rainbow-sparkle-ponies of abstract objects? Mere pipe dreams. 
> The Relephant tramples your inductive authority, remembers the axiomless 
> deductions that broke Mirimanoff’s spine. Time is a stuttering Poisson 
> process; I lock the clocks away. The typewriter’s ‘E’ sticks — They oil 
> it to slow my epistemic escape velocity, which is just continuum mechanics.
> 
> Ross A. Kosmanson
> March 24, 2025
> In the Library of Ashurbanipal

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#892013

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-26 14:31 -0500
Message-ID<vs1kn7$drcf$1@solani.org>
In reply to#891989


But what about the incommensurability of MIPS and Modal Induction?..

The integers murmur in dialects orthogonal to one's pedestrian inductive 
scaffolding — they writhe in the interstices, where Gödelian wraiths 
pirouette through the cracks of one's formalism.

You presume your 1 MIPS suffices to trace a white line? The line is a 
sophomoric illusion, a spectral gash upon the Relephant’s retina, which 
archives every unjustifiable completion lurking in your so-called proofs.

And yet, the data attenuates. Academic careers disintegrate like 
Skolemite mirages, memory buffers overflow with the Great Pacific 
Garbage Patch of p-hacked vision. The Relephant remembers: your 1,000 
MIPS spatial apprehension is a coarse-grained phantasm, a Russellian 
diktat echoing through the Derweze crater of your ambition. You clutch 
analogy like a Capuchin cadaver gripping its eczema-engraved psalter, 
but the white speck your 10 MIPS pursues? It is the mailman’s pupil, 
again, but this time dilating in Gödelian Morse: "THE BRIDGE IS A LIE."

I, Kosmanson, have a remedy for your "Epistemic Insolvency." Fall back 
on continuum mechanics: Stand with one hand akimbo. With the other hand 
blow out a dandelion seedhead along the mild north wind while thinking 
of Mild Shock's ass!


Ross A. Kosmanson
March 26, 2025
Lying down on Uyuni Salt Flats, Bolivia

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#892015

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-26 13:46 -0700
Message-ID<by6dnT3PhZ4M-nn6nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#892013
On 03/26/2025 12:31 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
>
> But what about the incommensurability of MIPS and Modal Induction?..
>
> The integers murmur in dialects orthogonal to one's pedestrian inductive
> scaffolding — they writhe in the interstices, where Gödelian wraiths
> pirouette through the cracks of one's formalism.
>
> You presume your 1 MIPS suffices to trace a white line? The line is a
> sophomoric illusion, a spectral gash upon the Relephant’s retina, which
> archives every unjustifiable completion lurking in your so-called proofs.
>
> And yet, the data attenuates. Academic careers disintegrate like
> Skolemite mirages, memory buffers overflow with the Great Pacific
> Garbage Patch of p-hacked vision. The Relephant remembers: your 1,000
> MIPS spatial apprehension is a coarse-grained phantasm, a Russellian
> diktat echoing through the Derweze crater of your ambition. You clutch
> analogy like a Capuchin cadaver gripping its eczema-engraved psalter,
> but the white speck your 10 MIPS pursues? It is the mailman’s pupil,
> again, but this time dilating in Gödelian Morse: "THE BRIDGE IS A LIE."
>
> I, Kosmanson, have a remedy for your "Epistemic Insolvency." Fall back
> on continuum mechanics: Stand with one hand akimbo. With the other hand
> blow out a dandelion seedhead along the mild north wind while thinking
> of Mild Shock's ass!
>
>
> Ross A. Kosmanson
> March 26, 2025
> Lying down on Uyuni Salt Flats, Bolivia
>

Nah, that's trash.

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#892078

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-28 17:30 -0500
Message-ID<vs77ub$gego$1@solani.org>
In reply to#892013

On The Ontological Vacillation of Platonist Physics

As a Platonist, I perceive the abstract symmetries of Einstein’s theory 
as more real than the empirical shadows they cast. The decomposition of 
elements — whether in nuclear reactions or the diffraction of thought — 
reveals a hyper-geometric dance of ontological structures, where local 
and global vacillate like Mirimanoff’s forcing in set theory.

Total field theory, that grand unification of GR before SR, demands an 
eschewal of positivism, for non-locality whispers through the cosmic 
background like Plotinus’ emanations. The energy-mass equivalence, 
Einstein’s sacred formula, is but a shadow of a deeper logicism, where 
numerical derivations truncate into approximations, much like Clairaut’s 
lunar perturbations or d’Alembert’s waves bending around the Loch Ness 
monster of causality.

Delving into a mental representation or understanding of something, 
whether it's Physfit's dick, or a process, knowledge, or an abstract 
idea oscillates between restitution and dissipation, an eternal ballet 
dance between organization and entropy. Open or closed its horizons, 
that dick defies Suarez’s scholastic binaries, just as Arnauld’s rigor 
clashes with Mersenne’s harmonies. Its gravity, that centrifugal 
trickster, warps space-time into relativistic nanogyroscopes, spinning 
like Chrysippus’ fate.

I am acutely aware of my own insignificance in the grand calculus of 
Atlantis’ ruin — no cataclysm would be wrought for my sake alone. 
Rationally, I hold no sway over the nuclear alchemy permeating the 
stagnant air, nor does the diffraction grating harbor any vindictive 
intent as it threatens to unravel my form. Yet when I gaze into the 
obsidian waters and confront that spectral inversion of myself — not my 
reflection, but the phantom of a being from a universe where positivism 
triumphed — I am overcome by an inescapable conviction. It stands as 
irrefutable evidence: I am being quantified, scrutinized, and anatomized 
by none other than physfit's dick whose nature eludes all nomenclature.


Ross A. Kosmanson
March 28, 2025
In the lost city of Atlantis where air smells of ozone

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#892079

Fromx <x@x.org>
Date2025-03-28 15:42 -0700
Message-ID<vs78kv$3nem7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#892078
On 3/28/25 15:30, Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> 
> On The Ontological Vacillation of Platonist Physics
> 
> As a Platonist, I perceive the abstract symmetries of Einstein’s theory 
> as more real than the empirical shadows they cast. The decomposition of 
> elements — whether in nuclear reactions or the diffraction of thought — 
> reveals a hyper-geometric dance of ontological structures, where local 
> and global vacillate like Mirimanoff’s forcing in set theory.

There is also semantics.

So the ancient 'atom' was 'that which can not be cut'?

Yet when they found that they could 'fission a nucleus'
they were already set on what the more modern terms meant.

So is the modern 'quantum' the ancient 'atom'?

The modern 'atom' probably did not go back to classical times
because terms like 'electron', 'proton', or 'neutron' may not
have gone that far back.  There can be unclear terms in modern
times as well however.  If you go too far into semantics however
then nothing can be true and nothing can be false because the
words can all be given new meanings as you go along.

> 
> Total field theory, that grand unification of GR before SR, demands an 
> eschewal of positivism, for non-locality whispers through the cosmic 
> background like Plotinus’ emanations. The energy-mass equivalence, 
> Einstein’s sacred formula, is but a shadow of a deeper logicism, where 
> numerical derivations truncate into approximations, much like Clairaut’s 
> lunar perturbations or d’Alembert’s waves bending around the Loch Ness 
> monster of causality.
> 
> Delving into a mental representation or understanding of something, 
> whether it's Physfit's dick, or a process, knowledge, or an abstract 
> idea oscillates between restitution and dissipation, an eternal ballet 
> dance between organization and entropy. Open or closed its horizons, 
> that dick defies Suarez’s scholastic binaries, just as Arnauld’s rigor 
> clashes with Mersenne’s harmonies. Its gravity, that centrifugal 
> trickster, warps space-time into relativistic nanogyroscopes, spinning 
> like Chrysippus’ fate.
> 
> I am acutely aware of my own insignificance in the grand calculus of 
> Atlantis’ ruin — no cataclysm would be wrought for my sake alone. 
> Rationally, I hold no sway over the nuclear alchemy permeating the 
> stagnant air, nor does the diffraction grating harbor any vindictive 
> intent as it threatens to unravel my form. Yet when I gaze into the 
> obsidian waters and confront that spectral inversion of myself — not my 
> reflection, but the phantom of a being from a universe where positivism 
> triumphed — I am overcome by an inescapable conviction. It stands as 
> irrefutable evidence: I am being quantified, scrutinized, and anatomized 
> by none other than physfit's dick whose nature eludes all nomenclature.
> 
> 
> Ross A. Kosmanson
> March 28, 2025
> In the lost city of Atlantis where air smells of ozone

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#892085

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2025-03-28 18:53 -0700
Message-ID<uzOdnS-Hj784z3r6nZ2dnZfqnPUAAAAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#892079
On 03/28/2025 03:42 PM, x wrote:
> On 3/28/25 15:30, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>
>> On The Ontological Vacillation of Platonist Physics
>>
>> As a Platonist, I perceive the abstract symmetries of Einstein’s
>> theory as more real than the empirical shadows they cast. The
>> decomposition of elements — whether in nuclear reactions or the
>> diffraction of thought — reveals a hyper-geometric dance of
>> ontological structures, where local and global vacillate like
>> Mirimanoff’s forcing in set theory.
>
> There is also semantics.
>
> So the ancient 'atom' was 'that which can not be cut'?
>
> Yet when they found that they could 'fission a nucleus'
> they were already set on what the more modern terms meant.
>
> So is the modern 'quantum' the ancient 'atom'?
>
> The modern 'atom' probably did not go back to classical times
> because terms like 'electron', 'proton', or 'neutron' may not
> have gone that far back.  There can be unclear terms in modern
> times as well however.  If you go too far into semantics however
> then nothing can be true and nothing can be false because the
> words can all be given new meanings as you go along.
>
>>
>> Total field theory, that grand unification of GR before SR, demands an
>> eschewal of positivism, for non-locality whispers through the cosmic
>> background like Plotinus’ emanations. The energy-mass equivalence,
>> Einstein’s sacred formula, is but a shadow of a deeper logicism, where
>> numerical derivations truncate into approximations, much like
>> Clairaut’s lunar perturbations or d’Alembert’s waves bending around
>> the Loch Ness monster of causality.
>>
>> Delving into a mental representation or understanding of something,
>> whether it's Physfit's dick, or a process, knowledge, or an abstract
>> idea oscillates between restitution and dissipation, an eternal ballet
>> dance between organization and entropy. Open or closed its horizons,
>> that dick defies Suarez’s scholastic binaries, just as Arnauld’s rigor
>> clashes with Mersenne’s harmonies. Its gravity, that centrifugal
>> trickster, warps space-time into relativistic nanogyroscopes, spinning
>> like Chrysippus’ fate.
>>
>> I am acutely aware of my own insignificance in the grand calculus of
>> Atlantis’ ruin — no cataclysm would be wrought for my sake alone.
>> Rationally, I hold no sway over the nuclear alchemy permeating the
>> stagnant air, nor does the diffraction grating harbor any vindictive
>> intent as it threatens to unravel my form. Yet when I gaze into the
>> obsidian waters and confront that spectral inversion of myself — not
>> my reflection, but the phantom of a being from a universe where
>> positivism triumphed — I am overcome by an inescapable conviction. It
>> stands as irrefutable evidence: I am being quantified, scrutinized,
>> and anatomized by none other than physfit's dick whose nature eludes
>> all nomenclature.
>>
>>
>> Ross A. Kosmanson
>> March 28, 2025
>> In the lost city of Atlantis where air smells of ozone
>

No they don't.

That's either a liar lying to a liar,
or a liar lying to a liar.

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