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  Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 12:49 -0800
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      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 21:22 -0800
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      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-18 11:58 -0800
        Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 13:40 -0800
          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 18:02 -0800
            Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 21:27 -0800
              Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 22:20 -0800
                Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 02:16 -0500
                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 23:42 -0800
                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-20 00:06 -0800
                    Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 08:21 -0800
                      Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 08:24 -0800
                    Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 13:47 -0500
                      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-21 00:00 -0800
                        Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 09:15 -0800
                        Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 18:55 -0600
                        Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 11:20 -0800
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                                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:36 -0800
                                    Re: Sun Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-11-25 07:36 +0100
                                      Re: Sun Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 06:33 -0800
                                  Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:42 -0600
                                Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-26 13:13 -0500
                                  Re: Sun Uriah Bahmatoff <mbut@tbafffff.ar> - 2023-11-26 19:48 +0000
                                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-26 13:31 -0800
              Re: Sun Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-11-20 12:14 -0600
    Re: Sun Y A A A A A A A A A A A a a a a a a a a <autokemidaeioleveel@outlook.com> - 2023-11-26 10:37 -0800
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#882991

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
> > sure
> > (or not even there anymore)
> >
> > but our sun doesn't move.
> >
> > It might appear to move...
> > everything else is moving around it
> > (including the entire space..
> > but our sun doesn't move.
> 
> Sure it does...
> 
> "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are moving at an average velocity of 828,000 km/hr. But even at that high rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way!"
> 
> https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question18.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20Sun%20%2D%20in%20fact,Way%20is%20a%20spiral%20galaxy.
> >
> > And what about our Moon? It don't move either!
> 
> Sure it does...
> 
> https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/
> 
> https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/
> 
> "The Moon orbits Earth at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour (3,683 kilometers per hour or 1.022 km/s). Its orbital period is 27 days. During this time it travels a distance of 1,423,000 miles."
> >
> > i wanna see the dark side of the moon...but
> > for some reason it just doesn't wanna move.
> 
> You ignorance of the motions of astronomical bodies is huge.
> 
> Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> 
> On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.


"the dark side" of our moon is eternally out of view, never facing the
earth. it's not moving. it is not going to turn around. it's fixed.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882993

On 11/22/2023 6:22 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> "the dark side" of our moon is eternally out of view, never facing the
> earth. it's not moving. it is not going to turn around. it's fixed.


It may not be the Moon either.

It could be a disguised Dogecoin Elon placed there somewhere in between 
the real Moon and the Earth to block Earthlings' views.

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#882997

Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> >
> > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> 
> An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.


he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
around the sun....

he is reading Popular Mechanics issue July, 1928 for answers.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883034

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Volney wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > >
> > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> 
> > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > around the sun....
> 
> I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> 
> So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> 
> https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> 
> "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."


if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
planet.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883037

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Volney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > > >
> > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> >
> > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > > around the sun....
> >
> > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> >
> > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> >
> > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> >
> > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
> 
> if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> planet.
> 

The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun. 


- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883038

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:37 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > Volney wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time 
> > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon', 
> > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon. 
> > > 
> > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles 
> > > > around the sun.... 
> > > 
> > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun! 
> > > 
> > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth. 
> > > 
> > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun. 
> > > 
> > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it." 
> > 
> > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a 
> > planet. 
> >
> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on 
> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.

Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!

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#883048

Paul Alsing wrote:

> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker
>> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
>> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> 
> Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never
> claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!

sure, thank you. We are friends too. I like friends.

 𝗨𝗦_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆_𝗵𝗼𝗽𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘁𝗼_𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗲_𝗭𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆_𝘁𝗼_𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗲_–_𝗕𝗶𝗹𝗱
The media outlet claims Berlin and Washington are providing Kiev with just
enough weapons to hold the line, but not to regain ground
https://r%74.com/news/587927-bild-germany-us-ukraine-weapons-peace-plan/

Based on the following learnings:
1-hypocrisy on the Minsk agreements as revealed by 𝗠𝗲𝗿𝗸𝗲𝗹 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗛𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱.
2-the destruction 𝗼𝗳 𝗡𝗼𝗿𝗱𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗺1&2 3-unlimited supplies of 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗹𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗮𝗹
𝘄𝗲𝗮𝗽𝗼𝗻𝘀 to Ukraine.
4-terrorist killings of 𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗼𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗰𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗻𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗷𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀.
5-𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗺𝗽𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗿𝗲𝘄𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘆 𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝗪𝗪𝗜𝗜.
6-Veneration 𝗼𝗳 𝗡𝗮𝘇𝗶𝘀 𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗰𝗮𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝘀...

There is only one alternative:
Run 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗺𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗵 𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿 and obtain
the unconditional surrender of the US-UK-NATO-Nazis.

Of course, America should know that the EU and America owe Russia a
financial obligation for the sanctions and deaths of Russians ... I Think
𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮 𝗔𝗹𝗮𝘀𝗸𝗮 would settle the score... And 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲
𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗶𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗮

All the UK Government are totally obsessed by 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿 𝗴𝗼𝘆
𝗰𝗮𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁 in Kiev. Cameron the new Foriegn Secretary is signed up too.
Russophobia in Westminster is the hysteria that holds them
together.......its pathetic!

At this point it might be better for Zelensky 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲
𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮𝗻𝘀. If he follows through with peace talks now, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘃𝗶𝗰𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗮 𝗻𝘂𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱
𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗡𝗮𝘇𝗶𝘀 will have his head for betrayal.

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#883049

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Volney wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> > > >
> > > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > > > > around the sun....
> > > >
> > > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> > > >
> > > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> > > >
> > > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> > > >
> > > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
> > >
> > > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> > > planet.
> > >
> > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> > -
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> 
> Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!


isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
the moon???

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883053

In sci.physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

<snip>

> isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
> the moon???

That is what was thought until about 400 years ago when it was show to
be false.

These days most people learn the Earth and Moon revolve around the Sun
in grade school, which you obviously either never attended, or payed no
attention what so ever, or you are a complete idiot.

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#883068

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > > > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > > > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > > > > > > around the sun....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
> > > > >
> > > > > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> > > > > planet.
> > > > >
> > > > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> > > > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> > > > -
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!
> 
> > isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
> > the moon???
> 
> No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter.


According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves
around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using
the coordinate systems.

There is nothing that proves the sun is at the center. This is all
mathematically correct according to Einstein theory relativity.  Is he
wrong?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883073

On 11/24/2023 6:00 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves
> around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using
> the coordinate systems.
> 
> There is nothing that proves the sun is at the center. This is all
> mathematically correct according to Einstein theory relativity.  Is he
> wrong?


Yes, Earth is at the center with Sun revolving around it. But if you 
involve Einstein in this, then it turns into a question of vulva to be 
properly explained; i.e., that's Vulva's area of expertise, commonly 
known as, "The Vulvatics".

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#883074

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 4:00:20 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > > > > > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > > > > > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > > > > > > > > around the sun....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> > > > > > > planet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> > > > > > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!
> > >
> > > > isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
> > > > the moon???
> > >
> > > No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter.
> 
> > According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves
> > around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using
> > the coordinate systems.
> 
> Wherever did you get this idea? Let' see a reference for this ridiculous claim!


Reference???? I'll put the reference even your child mind can
understand... 


From the reference of the earth, the sun revolves around the earth.
From the reference of the sun, the earth revolves around the sun.

You can change the word "reference" to, relative or perpective...it
remains the same.

In Albert Einstein's Relativity.. they are both correct.


How's the planet moon doing?






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883155

On Saturday, 25 November 2023 at 16:16:17 UTC+11, The Starmaker wrote:
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> > 
> > On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 4:00:20 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > Volney wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time 
> > > > > > > > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon', 
> > > > > > > > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles 
> > > > > > > > > > around the sun.... 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun! 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun. 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it." 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a 
> > > > > > > > planet. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on 
> > > > > > > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun. 
> > > > > > > - 
> > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> > > > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article! 
> > > > 
> > > > > isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and 
> > > > > the moon??? 
> > > > 
> > > > No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter. 
> > 
> > > According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves 
> > > around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using 
> > > the coordinate systems. 
> >
> > Wherever did you get this idea? Let' see a reference for this ridiculous claim! 
> 
> 
> Reference???? I'll put the reference even your child mind can 
> understand... 
> 
> 
> From the reference of the earth, the sun revolves around the earth. 

Apparently to sceptics.
Obviously to the practical sorts following Aristotle.
Was classical wisdom in the West till Galileo invented a good telescope, got persecuted - and this wrong wisdom lasted in the universities in Newton's time.
The theory of gravitation explained it all nicely - how things move in the whole moving universe.
Earth's rotation explains how the Sun appears to go around the Earth, but really does not.
And every six months the position of near stars get shifted with parallax effect.
Then at last the crystal spheres where the stars were embedded got shattered - wow was that tragic for the believing masses!
Einstein tried to mend them, so that Heaven would be reached beyond the stars with his magnificent nonsenses about relativity and quantum.
The empowered boyos so want us to remain stuck on Earth, to have lotsa slaves to rule.

> From the reference of the sun, the earth revolves around the sun. 
> 
> You can change the word "reference relative or perpective...it 
> remains the same. 
> 
> In Albert Einstein's Relativity.. they are both correct. 

And that is a joke.
Of all the bunglers that ever bungled in science, the name of Einstein tops the list!
> 
> How's the planet moon doing?
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883075

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 4:00:20 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Volney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
> > > > > > > > > > you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
> > > > > > > > > > meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
> > > > > > > > > around the sun....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> > > > > > > planet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> > > > > > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > and challenge the unchallengeable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!
> > >
> > > > isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
> > > > the moon???
> > >
> > > No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter.
> 
> > According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves
> > around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using
> > the coordinate systems.
> 
> Wherever did you get this idea? Let' see a reference for this ridiculous claim!


Get a dang Relativity dang book, dang it!


Dang it, dang it
They oughta take a rope and hang it
High from the highest tree
Woman, would you weep for me?


HeeeeeeeeHaawwwwwww!

dang, dang, i shot you down
dang dang


ride'em cowboy

you'all

you came back now, you hear?


wat are these fuckin rednecks doing here?

run out of rope?

fuck the rope
shoot the fuckin nigger!


Dang it, dang it
They oughta take a rope and hang it
High from the highest treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#883076

Am 25.11.2023 um 01:00 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>> Volney wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time
>>>>>>>>> you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon',
>>>>>>>>> meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles
>>>>>>>> around the sun....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
>>>>> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
>>>>> -
>>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
>>>>> and challenge the unchallengeable.
>>>>
>>>> Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article!
>>
>>> isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
>>> the moon???
>>
>> No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter.
>
>
> According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves
> around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using
> the coordinate systems.
>
> There is nothing that proves the sun is at the center. This is all
> mathematically correct according to Einstein theory relativity.  Is he
> wrong?
>
>


Actually the sun circles around in our galaxacy, too.

In the end we have objects moving in the form of helical spirals, which 
revolve around even larger helical spirals, which circle around even 
larger helical spirals...

You need to consider the solar system in total as kind of 'disk-shaped 
object', which moves in a helical spiral with its main axis perpendicual 
to the 'disk' (our solar system).

This should also belong to some kind of disk-shaped system, which also 
spirals along a helical path around the center of our galaxy.

The solar system itself also consists of such helical spirals, if you 
regard the Earth-Moon-system as kind of 'disk shaped object', which 
circles around within the solar system.


TH

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#883079

On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 1:33:14 AM UTC-5, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 25.11.2023 um 01:00 schrieb The Starmaker: 
> > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >>
> >> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 10:31:36 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 10:31:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> Volney wrote: 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 2:52 PM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand? 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side. 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> An obsolete definition of 'dark' is 'unknown', and almost the only time 
> >>>>>>>>> you'll hear the word 'dark' used this way is 'dark side of the moon', 
> >>>>>>>>> meaning the (once unknown) far side of the moon. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> he is toooo busy trying to figure out whether or not the moon revoles 
> >>>>>>>> around the sun.... 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I am confident that were the Earth to suddenly disappear the moon would continue to happily circle the Sun. In fact, even in the current situation, the moon's orbit is *always* concave towards the Sun! 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> So yes, the moon revolves around the Sun with proportionally small perturbations in and out due to the gravitational field of the earth. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> https://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/moon2.html#:~:text=The%20curvature%20of%20the%20orbit,elliptical%20orbit%20about%20the%20sun. 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> "... the moon orbits the sun and is always falling towards it." 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a 
> >>>>>> planet. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on 
> >>>>> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun. 
> >>>>> - 
> >>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> >>>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> >>>>> and challenge the unchallengeable. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Did you actually read the link I provided? What did it tell you? I never claimed that the moon is a planet. Read the dang article! 
> >> 
> >>> isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and 
> >>> the moon??? 
> >> 
> >> No, it is really that you are massively ignorant of the subject matter. 
> > 
> > 
> > According to Relativity, the earth is at the center and the sun revolves 
> > around the earth relative to each other from a frame of reference using 
> > the coordinate systems. 
> > 
> > There is nothing that proves the sun is at the center. This is all 
> > mathematically correct according to Einstein theory relativity. Is he 
> > wrong? 
> > 
> >
> Actually the sun circles around in our galaxacy, too. 
> 
> In the end we have objects moving in the form of helical spirals, which 
> revolve around even larger helical spirals, which circle around even 
> larger helical spirals... 
> 
> You need to consider the solar system in total as kind of 'disk-shaped 
> object', which moves in a helical spiral with its main axis perpendicual 
> to the 'disk' (our solar system). 
> 
> This should also belong to some kind of disk-shaped system, which also 
> spirals along a helical path around the center of our galaxy. 
> 
> The solar system itself also consists of such helical spirals, if you 
> regard the Earth-Moon-system as kind of 'disk shaped object', which 
> circles around within the solar system. 
> 
> 
> TH

The idea that two remote observers ought to be able to synch up their aparatus could be problemmatic, couldn't it?
Meanwhile, the physics professor at the head of the classroom pulls out a bunch of framing squares and explains to the students that the y position is measured off of the x-axis. One student says, thinking something must be wrong, "and the z dimension too?", to which the professor says, "that's what these other squares are for.", as he sits there attempting to orient three framing squares to a mic stand with a ping pong ball that is drooping down toward the firm table top. He's got tape all over a couple of the squares so they can't move, and another student wonders out loud, "Isn't the whole thing really spinning?".

Just getting one of these (x,y,z) meters up and running is trouble enough, let alone inserting time into the puzzle. I once made one out of welding rods and hot glue, but it takes up too much space. Then, ten light-seconds away, roughly, a second apparatus is set up, and of course we've only just gotten to this level of technology.  The remote station, attempting to synch up to the local one sends back a signal: "Your apparatus is wobbling, sir.".

Sure enough, the radius of the Earth was badly calculated, and at 46.3 degrees North lattitude, the correction factors to attain an inertial system were floxed by funcers, who couldn't resist getting their fingers into all the parts of the mechanism.

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#883072

On 11/24/2023 1:19 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> isn't it really the Sun that is actually revolving around the earth and
> the moon???


It is really the Sun revolving around the Earth. If the thing you see 
revolving around Earth was really not the Sun, it wouldn't make you warm 
from his direction as it moves around you. Real as real can be.

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#883105

On 11/24/2023 1:31 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:

>> if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
>> planet.
>>
> 
> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> 
The force of the sun on the moon is about twice that of the earth on the 
moon. That's why the moon's path around the sun is a wiggly ellipse and 
always curves toward the sun, even during the new moon when the earth 
and sun are pulling it in opposite directions.

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#883108

Volney wrote:

> On 11/24/2023 1:31 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
>> moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
>> 
> The force of the sun on the moon is about twice that of the earth on the
> moon. That's why the moon's path around the sun is a wiggly ellipse and
> always curves toward the sun, even during the new moon when the earth
> and sun are pulling it in opposite directions.

the tides proves you wrong. It explains why america didn't land on moon. 
They don't know what a force is.

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#883118

Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/24/2023 1:31 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> >> if the moon revolves around the sun then by definition...the moon is a
> >> planet.
> >>
> >
> > The force of the gravitational force of earth is more than the sun on
> > moon. So the moon revolves around the earth not the sun.
> >
> The force of the sun on the moon is about twice that of the earth on the
> moon. That's why the moon's path around the sun is a wiggly ellipse and
> always curves toward the sun, even during the new moon when the earth
> and sun are pulling it in opposite directions.


are you talking about a weak force or a strong force?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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