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  Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 12:49 -0800
    Re: Sun "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-17 17:31 -0800
      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 21:22 -0800
    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 20:53 -0800
      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-18 11:58 -0800
        Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 13:40 -0800
          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 18:02 -0800
            Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 21:27 -0800
              Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 22:20 -0800
                Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 02:16 -0500
                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 23:42 -0800
                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-20 00:06 -0800
                    Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 08:21 -0800
                      Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-20 08:24 -0800
                    Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 13:47 -0500
                      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-21 00:00 -0800
                        Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 09:15 -0800
                        Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 18:55 -0600
                        Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 11:20 -0800
                          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 16:11 -0800
                          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 16:22 -0800
                            Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 18:38 -0600
                          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 22:31 -0800
                            Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-23 22:02 -0800
                              Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-23 22:31 -0800
                                Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-23 22:45 -0800
                                Re: Sun Jonathanrob Bakhtiarov <rajr@ttjijhtt.an> - 2023-11-24 19:00 +0000
                                Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 11:19 -0800
                                  Re: Sun Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-11-24 12:28 -0800
                                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 16:00 -0800
                                    Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:51 -0600
                                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:16 -0800
                                      Re: Sun Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2023-11-28 08:39 -0800
                                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:36 -0800
                                    Re: Sun Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-11-25 07:36 +0100
                                      Re: Sun Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 06:33 -0800
                                  Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:42 -0600
                                Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-26 13:13 -0500
                                  Re: Sun Uriah Bahmatoff <mbut@tbafffff.ar> - 2023-11-26 19:48 +0000
                                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-26 13:31 -0800
              Re: Sun Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-11-20 12:14 -0600
    Re: Sun Y A A A A A A A A A A A a a a a a a a a <autokemidaeioleveel@outlook.com> - 2023-11-26 10:37 -0800
    Re: Sun Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 19:57 -0800

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#882813 — Sun

earth and other things revolve
around the sun...
that can only mean one thing..
the sun is not moving.



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#882829

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> earth and other things revolve 
> around the sun... 
> that can only mean one thing.. 
> the sun is not moving. 

No. The Sun takes the solar system around
the Milky Way... There is no absolute rest...

> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882837

mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 12:48:43 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > earth and other things revolve
> > around the sun...
> > that can only mean one thing..
> > the sun is not moving.
> 
> No. The Sun takes the solar system around
> the Milky Way... There is no absolute rest...

The Sun takes the solar system around???? isn't it the other way
around??


> 
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#882834

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> earth and other things revolve
> around the sun...
> that can only mean one thing..
> the sun is not moving.

it is my undrstanding...
the sun being a star..
that there are no stars that move.



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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#882847

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > earth and other things revolve
> > around the sun...
> > that can only mean one thing..
> > the sun is not moving.
> 
> it is my undrstanding...
> the sun being a star..
> that there are no stars that move.
> 


Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
did it go????




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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#882885

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > earth and other things revolve
> > > around the sun...
> > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > the sun is not moving.
> >
> > it is my undrstanding...
> > the sun being a star..
> > that there are no stars that move.
> >
> 
> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> did it go????


Does that North star ever move???

(by move, i mean move it's position)



> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#882895

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > earth and other things revolve
> > > > > around the sun...
> > > > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > > > the sun is not moving.
> > > >
> > > > it is my undrstanding...
> > > > the sun being a star..
> > > > that there are no stars that move.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > > did it go????
> > Does that North star ever move???
> >
> > (by move, i mean move it's position)
> 
> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.

You maean North of the North pole is...up?

-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882900

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > earth and other things revolve
> > > > > > around the sun...
> > > > > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > > > > the sun is not moving.
> > > > >
> > > > > it is my undrstanding...
> > > > > the sun being a star..
> > > > > that there are no stars that move.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > > > did it go????
> > > Does that North star ever move???
> > >
> > > (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >
> > Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> 
> You maean North of the North pole is...up?


Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.

It does not move.

Where does it say Polaris...moves? 




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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882902

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > earth and other things revolve 
> > > > > > > around the sun... 
> > > > > > > that can only mean one thing.. 
> > > > > > > the sun is not moving. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > it is my undrstanding... 
> > > > > > the sun being a star.. 
> > > > > > that there are no stars that move. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > > > > did it go???? 
> > > > Does that North star ever move??? 
> > > > 
> > > > (by move, i mean move it's position) 
> > > 
> > > Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does. 
> > 
> > You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't 
> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed. 
> 
> It does not move. 
> 
> Where does it say Polaris...moves?

 Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!

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#882903

On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
>>>>>>>> around the sun...
>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
>>>>>> did it go????
>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
>>>>>
>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
>>>>
>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
>>>
>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?

>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
>>
>> It does not move.
>>
>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> 
>   Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!

Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a 
(small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.

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#882906

Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> >>>>>>>> around the sun...
> >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> >>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> >>>>>> did it go????
> >>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >>>>
> >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> >>>
> >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> 
> >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> >>
> >> It does not move.
> >>
> >> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> >
> >   Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> 
> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.

It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.

position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.

If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
there."

He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
from there.


None of the stars in the universe ...move.

None of the stars in the universe will change their position.

The dog is not going anywhere.


See Spot run in circle
See Spot ain't going no where.


"Don't worry, he won't move from there."

Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.


The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
time. It hasn't moved. 

Do I have to name all the other stars???? 

Sun?



really?
















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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#882910

wait a minute here...you guys are not going to
tell me the sun sets and the sun rises, are you?


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Volney wrote:
> >
> > On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> > >>>>>>>> around the sun...
> > >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> > >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> > >>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> > >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > >>>>>> did it go????
> > >>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> > >>>
> > >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> >
> > >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> > >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> > >>
> > >> It does not move.
> > >>
> > >> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> > >
> > >   Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> >
> > Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> > (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> 
> It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> 
> position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> 
> If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> there."
> 
> He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> from there.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> 
> The dog is not going anywhere.
> 
> See Spot run in circle
> See Spot ain't going no where.
> 
> "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> 
> The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
> time. It hasn't moved.
> 
> Do I have to name all the other stars????
> 
> Sun?
> 
> really?
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882921

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:42:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Volney wrote: 
> > 
> > On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve 
> > >>>>>>>> around the sun... 
> > >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing.. 
> > >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding... 
> > >>>>>>> the sun being a star.. 
> > >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move. 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > >>>>>> did it go???? 
> > >>>>> Does that North star ever move??? 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position) 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up? 
> > 
> > >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't 
> > >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed. 
> > >> 
> > >> It does not move. 
> > >> 
> > >> Where does it say Polaris...moves? 
> > > 
> > > Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90 or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period! 
> > 
> > Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a 
> > (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go 
> around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position. 
> 
> position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place. 
> 
> If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from 
> there." 
> 
> He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move 
> from there. 
> 
> 
> None of the stars in the universe ...move. 
> 
> None of the stars in the universe will change their position. 
> 
> The dog is not going anywhere. 
> 
> 
> See Spot run in circle 
> See Spot ain't going no where. 
> 
> 
> "Don't worry, he won't move from there." 
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in. 
> 
> 
> The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of 
> time. It hasn't moved. 
> 
> Do I have to name all the other stars???? 
> 
> Sun? 
> 
> 
> 
> really?
> -- 

You are advised to study the definition of "proper motion" as an astronomical term.

The Big Dipper, from here on Earth, looked very different in the past and will look very different in the future because its stars, like all other stars, move around with respect to each other!

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#882922

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 8:21:14 AM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:42:09 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > Volney wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > >>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve 
> > > >>>>>>>> around the sun... 
> > > >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing.. 
> > > >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving. 
> > > >>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding... 
> > > >>>>>>> the sun being a star.. 
> > > >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move. 
> > > >>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > > >>>>>> did it go???? 
> > > >>>>> Does that North star ever move??? 
> > > >>>>> 
> > > >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position) 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up? 
> > > 
> > > >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't 
> > > >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> It does not move. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Where does it say Polaris...moves? 
> > > > 
> > > > Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90 or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period! 
> > > 
> > > Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a 
> > > (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon. 
> > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go 
> > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position. 
> > 
> > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place. 
> > 
> > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from 
> > there." 
> > 
> > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move 
> > from there. 
> > 
> > 
> > None of the stars in the universe ...move. 
> > 
> > None of the stars in the universe will change their position. 
> > 
> > The dog is not going anywhere. 
> > 
> > 
> > See Spot run in circle 
> > See Spot ain't going no where. 
> > 
> > 
> > "Don't worry, he won't move from there." 
> > 
> > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in. 
> > 
> > 
> > The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of 
> > time. It hasn't moved. 
> > 
> > Do I have to name all the other stars???? 
> > 
> > Sun? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > really? 
> > --
> You are advised to study the definition of "proper motion" as an astronomical term. 
> 
> The Big Dipper, from here on Earth, looked very different in the past and will look very different in the future because its stars, like all other stars, move around with respect to each other!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a20347/how-the-big-dipper-has-changedand-will-changeover-200000-years/

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#882932

On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Volney wrote:
>>
>> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
>>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
>>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
>>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
>>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
>>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
>>>>>>>> did it go????
>>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
>>
>>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
>>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
>>>>
>>>> It does not move.
>>>>
>>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
>>>
>>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
>>
>> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
>> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> 
> It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> 
> position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> 
> If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> there."
> 
> He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> from there.
> 
> 
> None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> 
> The dog is not going anywhere.
> 
> 
> See Spot run in circle
> See Spot ain't going no where.
> 
> 
> "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.

So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars 
do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be 
wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move 
across the sky, only in circles.

All star "dogs" are tied to the tree, it's just that Polaris has a much 
shorter leash than the others.

> 
> 
> The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
> time. It hasn't moved.

The stars do move across the sky (proper motion), but do so slowly 
enough so that ordinary stargazers won't notice. You can find pictures 
of what the distorted Big Dipper will look like in a few thousand years 
on the web.
> 
> Do I have to name all the other stars????
> 
> Sun?
> 
> 
> 
> really?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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#882944

Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Volney wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> >>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
> >>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> >>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> >>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> >>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> >>>>>>>> did it go????
> >>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> >>
> >>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> >>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> >>>>
> >>>> It does not move.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> >>>
> >>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> >>
> >> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> >> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> >
> > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> >
> > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> >
> > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> > there."
> >
> > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> > from there.
> >
> >
> > None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> >
> > None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> >
> > The dog is not going anywhere.
> >
> >
> > See Spot run in circle
> > See Spot ain't going no where.
> >
> >
> > "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> >
> > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> 
> So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars
> do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be
> wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move
> across the sky, only in circles.


No, I did not 'change my claim'...

it's just yous people don't understand simple English.

I wrote "stars don't move'. 

It's just that yous people don't understand the definition of the
word..."move".



https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/move
to (cause to) change position: 

a change of place, position, or state.


Stars do not change the place or the position they are in, ..they don't
MOVE. 


Stars do not change the place or the position they are in means in fact
the same thing..stars don't move!



it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
















-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882949

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:00:59 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Volney wrote: 
> > 
> > On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > Volney wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > >>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve 
> > >>>>>>>>>> around the sun... 
> > >>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing.. 
> > >>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving. 
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding... 
> > >>>>>>>>> the sun being a star.. 
> > >>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move. 
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > >>>>>>>> did it go???? 
> > >>>>>>> Does that North star ever move??? 
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position) 
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does. 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up? 
> > >> 
> > >>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't 
> > >>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> It does not move. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves? 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90 or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period! 
> > >> 
> > >> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a 
> > >> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon. 
> > > 
> > > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go 
> > > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position. 
> > > 
> > > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place. 
> > > 
> > > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from 
> > > there." 
> > > 
> > > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move 
> > > from there. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > None of the stars in the universe ...move. 
> > > 
> > > None of the stars in the universe will change their position. 
> > > 
> > > The dog is not going anywhere. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > See Spot run in circle 
> > > See Spot ain't going no where. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "Don't worry, he won't move from there." 
> > > 
> > > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in. 
> > 
> > So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars 
> > do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be 
> > wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move 
> > across the sky, only in circles.
> No, I did not 'change my claim'... 
> 
> it's just yous people don't understand simple English. 
> 
> I wrote "stars don't move'. 
> 
> It's just that yous people don't understand the definition of the 
> word..."move". 
> 
> 
> 
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/move 
> to (cause to) change position: 
> 
> a change of place, position, or state. 
> 
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in, ..they don't 
> MOVE. 
> 
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in means in fact 
> the same thing..stars don't move! 
> 
Are sure about this?

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion

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#882965

On 11/21/2023 2:00 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
> 
> 


Must've been sick of looking at a "vulva" sitting there all the time.

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#882982

maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
sure
(or not even there anymore)

but our sun doesn't move.

It might appear to move...
everything else is moving around it
(including the entire space..
but our sun doesn't move.

And what about our Moon? It don't move either!

i wanna see the dark side of the moon...but
for some reason it just doesn't wanna move.


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Volney wrote:
> >
> > On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Volney wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> > >>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
> > >>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> > >>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> > >>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> > >>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > >>>>>>>> did it go????
> > >>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> > >>
> > >>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> > >>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It does not move.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> > >>>
> > >>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> > >>
> > >> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> > >> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> > >
> > > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> > > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> > >
> > > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> > >
> > > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> > > there."
> > >
> > > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> > > from there.
> > >
> > >
> > > None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> > >
> > > None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> > >
> > > The dog is not going anywhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > See Spot run in circle
> > > See Spot ain't going no where.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> > >
> > > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> >
> > So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars
> > do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be
> > wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move
> > across the sky, only in circles.
> 
> No, I did not 'change my claim'...
> 
> it's just yous people don't understand simple English.
> 
> I wrote "stars don't move'.
> 
> It's just that yous people don't understand the definition of the
> word..."move".
> 
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/move
> to (cause to) change position:
> 
> a change of place, position, or state.
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in, ..they don't
> MOVE.
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in means in fact
> the same thing..stars don't move!
> 
> it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#882990

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:58:55 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 22 November 2023 at 20:52:33 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
> > > > sure
> > > > (or not even there anymore)
> > > >
> > > > but our sun doesn't move.
> > > >
> > > > It might appear to move...
> > > > everything else is moving around it
> > > > (including the entire space..
> > > > but our sun doesn't move.
> > > Sure it does...
> > >
> > > "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.
> 
> > So even you aren't really stupid enough to believe in relative motion, Al.
> > Well, well.
> 
> Relative motion is obviously a real thing, Woz, no matter how many times you wish to deny it!


does our moon revolve around our sun?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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