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| First post | 2023-03-20 10:56 -0700 |
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Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 10:56 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-20 11:17 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 17:25 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-21 13:12 +1100
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 19:43 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-20 19:45 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 19:47 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-22 10:28 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 10:41 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-22 11:24 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 11:43 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-22 11:52 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 12:06 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-22 13:46 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 16:05 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-22 18:11 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-22 16:13 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-22 16:19 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-22 18:12 -0700
Re: Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-03-20 20:43 -0700
| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 10:56 -0700 |
| Subject | Uncertainty is why science can never know exactly |
| Message-ID | <00d5738e-92a2-4f9f-b16b-2aeeca6442fbn@googlegroups.com> |
QM in its central principle shows how uncertain science has been. Einstein knew QM would take a correction... How can we get anywhere if measurements are so uncertain? And he had a God. God was his God. Personal and impersonal. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 11:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1jkmej-dnvh1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871549 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > QM in its central principle shows how > uncertain science has been. Einstein > knew QM would take a correction... > How can we get anywhere if > measurements are so uncertain? > And he had a God. God was his God. > Personal and impersonal. > > Mitchell Raemsch The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts per million or 0.0046%. Many physical values are known to uncertainties that are less by orders of magnitude than 1 part in 10^10. So where do you get your idiotic nonsense that "measurements are so uncertain", moron?
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 17:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <eb882ed4-607d-4f47-b8f9-7c30654920f4n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871552 |
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > QM in its central principle shows how > > uncertain science has been. Einstein > > knew QM would take a correction... > > How can we get anywhere if > > measurements are so uncertain? > > And he had a God. God was his God. > > Personal and impersonal. > > > > Mitchell Raemsch > The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > per million or 0.0046%. Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could predict how close to certain it is. I remember science claiming it knew the gravity constant to 59%. But that calculation requires knowing it exact. How is science going to prove it is exact if it is based on uncertainty of measurement as its core principle? The uncertainty principle of QM shows how uncertain science has been. How can they change their own principle for exactitude...? Science defines itself as uncertain. Mitchell Raemsch > > Many physical values are known to uncertainties that are less by orders > of magnitude than 1 part in 10^10. > > So where do you get your idiotic nonsense that "measurements are so > uncertain", moron?
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-03-21 13:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <k7si3sF751hU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #871576 |
On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> QM in its central principle shows how >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein >>> knew QM would take a correction... >>> How can we get anywhere if >>> measurements are so uncertain? >>> And he had a God. God was his God. >>> Personal and impersonal. >>> >>> Mitchell Raemsch >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts >> per million or 0.0046%. > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > predict how close to certain it is. Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > uncertain science has been. The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not to our inability to measure it precisely. Sylvia.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 19:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bb5debdc-6814-4593-bc26-0608646df37bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871579 |
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 7:12:18 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> QM in its central principle shows how > >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein > >>> knew QM would take a correction... > >>> How can we get anywhere if > >>> measurements are so uncertain? > >>> And he had a God. God was his God. > >>> Personal and impersonal. > >>> > >>> Mitchell Raemsch > >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > >> per million or 0.0046%. > > > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > > predict how close to certain it is. > Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of > your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the > precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your > metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a > millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > > uncertain science has been. > The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not > to our inability to measure it precisely. > > Sylvia. You are dumb. The principle is about all QM measurement. Precision is what science does not have because of it. Neither side ever goes accurate. That is not measurable or knowable in QM. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 19:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <64191A35.6925@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #871579 |
Sylvia Else wrote: > > On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> QM in its central principle shows how > >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein > >>> knew QM would take a correction... > >>> How can we get anywhere if > >>> measurements are so uncertain? > >>> And he had a God. God was his God. > >>> Personal and impersonal. > >>> > >>> Mitchell Raemsch > >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > >> per million or 0.0046%. > > > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > > predict how close to certain it is. > > Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of > your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the > precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your > metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a > millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > > uncertain science has been. > > The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not > to our inability to measure it precisely. > > Sylvia. How the uncertainty principle universe itself works has made your ability to measure it precisely, ineffective. It's in the cards. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 19:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c3c71e14-7428-4192-b9d1-a9c3107433ebn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871581 |
On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 7:45:00 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> QM in its central principle shows how > > >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein > > >>> knew QM would take a correction... > > >>> How can we get anywhere if > > >>> measurements are so uncertain? > > >>> And he had a God. God was his God. > > >>> Personal and impersonal. > > >>> > > >>> Mitchell Raemsch > > >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > > >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > > >> per million or 0.0046%. > > > > > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > > > predict how close to certain it is. > > > > Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of > > your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the > > precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your > > metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a > > millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > > > > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > > > uncertain science has been. > > > > The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not > > to our inability to measure it precisely. > > > > Sylvia. > How the uncertainty principle universe itself works has made your ability to measure it precisely, ineffective. > > It's in the cards. No. God does not need dice... > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 10:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <641B3AB8.2F6C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #871581 |
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:22:44 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 03:44:57 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > > > > > On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > > > > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>> QM in its central principle shows how > > > > >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein > > > > >>> knew QM would take a correction... > > > > >>> How can we get anywhere if > > > > >>> measurements are so uncertain? > > > > >>> And he had a God. God was his God. > > > > >>> Personal and impersonal. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Mitchell Raemsch > > > > >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > > > > >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > > > > >> per million or 0.0046%. > > > > > > > > > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > > > > > predict how close to certain it is. > > > > > > > > Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of > > > > your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the > > > > precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your > > > > metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a > > > > millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > > > > > > > > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > > > > > uncertain science has been. > > > > > > > > The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not > > > > to our inability to measure it precisely. > > > > > > > > Sylvia. > > > > > > How the uncertainty principle universe itself works has made > > Stop fucking. "uncertainty principle" is how > > physicists work, the universe has nothing to do it. > > The uncertainty principle is about the limitations > of scientific measurement and why they > do not ever go accurate. > > Mitchell Raemsch The uncertainty principle (the I Don't Know Principle) is not about the limitations of measurements, it' about the limitations of intelligence. It begins with certaintly...but someone, somewhere moved the dial knob from certaintly to uncertainty. So, when you read it..it reads 'uncertaintly'. That is where the control knob is set at, 'uncertaintly'. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 10:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5d1a1de0-0442-49d4-8b99-69ccc905b638n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871653 |
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 10:28:28 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:22:44 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 03:44:57 UTC+1, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Sylvia Else wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 21-Mar-23 11:25 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > > > > > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> QM in its central principle shows how > > > > > >>> uncertain science has been. Einstein > > > > > >>> knew QM would take a correction... > > > > > >>> How can we get anywhere if > > > > > >>> measurements are so uncertain? > > > > > >>> And he had a God. God was his God. > > > > > >>> Personal and impersonal. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Mitchell Raemsch > > > > > >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the > > > > > >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts > > > > > >> per million or 0.0046%. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > > > > > > predict how close to certain it is. > > > > > > > > > > Why would you think that? Get out a metre rule and measure the height of > > > > > your desk. You know the result isn't exact, so you don't know the > > > > > precise height of your desk. But you can still look at the scale of your > > > > > metre rule and conclude that you know the desk height to within a > > > > > millimetre, or about 1 part in 750. > > > > > > > > > > > > The uncertainty principle of QM shows how > > > > > > uncertain science has been. > > > > > > > > > > The uncertainty principle relates to how the universe itself works, not > > > > > to our inability to measure it precisely. > > > > > > > > > > Sylvia. > > > > > > > > How the uncertainty principle universe itself works has made > > > Stop fucking. "uncertainty principle" is how > > > physicists work, the universe has nothing to do it. > > > > The uncertainty principle is about the limitations > > of scientific measurement and why they > > do not ever go accurate. > > > > Mitchell Raemsch > > The uncertainty principle (the I Don't Know Principle) is not > about the limitations of measurements, it' about the > limitations of intelligence. > > It begins with certaintly...but someone, somewhere moved the dial knob from certaintly to uncertainty. > > So, when you read it..it reads 'uncertaintly'. > > That is where the control knob is set at, 'uncertaintly'. > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. Measurement can never go accurate. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 11:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vntrej-6g6n1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871655 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: <snip crap> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > Measurement can never go accurate. Define accurate moron. > Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 11:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9a627c01-308d-4a71-b5c4-bd7aa0f2a4b2n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871659 |
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip crap> > > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > > Measurement can never go accurate. > Define accurate moron. What science does not have... Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. Uncertainty science principle shows why certainty never applies for scientific measurement. Mitchell Raemsch > > > > Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qbvrej-fh8n1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871662 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> <snip crap> >> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. >> > Measurement can never go accurate. >> Define accurate moron. > > What science does not have... > Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. > Uncertainty science principle shows > why certainty never applies for scientific > measurement. As suspected, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, moron. > > Mitchell Raemsch >> >> >> > Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 12:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <868caf6d-797c-4187-9e20-fded861b9be1n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871663 |
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> <snip crap> > >> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > >> > Measurement can never go accurate. > >> Define accurate moron. > > > > What science does not have... > > Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. > > Uncertainty science principle shows > > why certainty never applies for scientific > > measurement. > As suspected, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, moron. > Can you prove science is accurate if its central principle is uncertainty for measurement? Mitchell Raemsch > > > > Mitchell Raemsch > >> > >> > >> > Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 13:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <826sej-htdn1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871664 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> <snip crap> >> >> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. >> >> > Measurement can never go accurate. >> >> Define accurate moron. >> > >> > What science does not have... >> > Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. >> > Uncertainty science principle shows >> > why certainty never applies for scientific >> > measurement. >> As suspected, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, moron. >> > > Can you prove science is accurate if its central principle is uncertainty > for measurement? And again, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, nor do you have the slightest clue what the uncertainty means, moron.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 16:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9eca8caa-91f8-43b2-8617-e5efd916047dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871670 |
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: > >> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> <snip crap> > >> >> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > >> >> > Measurement can never go accurate. > >> >> Define accurate moron. > >> > > >> > What science does not have... > >> > Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. > >> > Uncertainty science principle shows > >> > why certainty never applies for scientific > >> > measurement. > >> As suspected, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, moron. > >> > > > > Can you prove science is accurate if its central principle is uncertainty > > for measurement? > And again, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, nor do you > have the slightest clue what the uncertainty means, moron. How accurate are you? sciences principle shows how imprecise or how uncertain it has been... you can't know how uncertain you are without having certainty first. And by QM principle science can not do that certainty. QM uncertainty principle says all measurement will remain uncertain. Therefore QM has no certain way to know uncertainty math. The math of momentum and position in QM theory is not giving science what it thinks. Because momentum is a form of position itself. You are comparing position change with position. And that doesn't give you anything if they are both the same thing being compared to itself... position is position and it is never known without uncertainty and that is the QM rule. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 18:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <gilsej-evun1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 2:16:09 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 11:31:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> >> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> <snip crap> >> >> >> > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. >> >> >> > Measurement can never go accurate. >> >> >> Define accurate moron. >> >> > >> >> > What science does not have... >> >> > Not inaccurate. or precise or certain. >> >> > Uncertainty science principle shows >> >> > why certainty never applies for scientific >> >> > measurement. >> >> As suspected, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, moron. >> >> >> > >> > Can you prove science is accurate if its central principle is uncertainty >> > for measurement? >> And again, you haven't a clue what the word accurate means, nor do you >> have the slightest clue what the uncertainty means, moron. > > How accurate are you? > sciences principle shows how imprecise or how uncertain > it has been... you can't know how uncertain you are without > having certainty first. And by QM principle science can not do > that certainty. QM uncertainty principle says all measurement > will remain uncertain. Therefore QM has no certain way > to know uncertainty math. The math of momentum and > position in QM theory is not giving science what it thinks. > Because momentum is a form of position itself. > You are comparing position change with position. > And that doesn't give you anything if they are both the > same thing being compared to itself... position is position > and it is never known without uncertainty and that is the QM rule. If you count the number of balls in a box, what is the accuracy and what is the uncertainty?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 16:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <641B8BA0.2ACB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #871659 |
Jim Pennino wrote: > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip crap> > > > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > > Measurement can never go accurate. > > Define accurate moron. > > > Mitchell Raemsch An accurate moron is an oxymoron. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 16:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <04d8944d-fc21-4a99-b0e4-de4b34c5d379n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #871678 |
On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:13:38 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > Jim Pennino wrote: > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > <snip crap> > > > > > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. > > > Measurement can never go accurate. > > > > Define accurate moron. > > > > > Mitchell Raemsch > An accurate moron is an oxymoron. > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. I upset jim... that is why he follows me around wherever he can... Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-22 18:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7klsej-evun1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871679 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 4:13:38 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >> Jim Pennino wrote: >> > >> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > <snip crap> >> > >> > > By science's central principle its very uncertainty is revealed. >> > > Measurement can never go accurate. >> > >> > Define accurate moron. >> > >> > > Mitchell Raemsch >> An accurate moron is an oxymoron. >> -- >> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, >> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, >> and challenge >> the unchallengeable. > > I upset jim... that is why he follows me around wherever he can... Nope, you are just my moron bitch of the day.
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2023-03-20 20:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <qnlnej-o91j1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #871576 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 11:31:08 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote: >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > QM in its central principle shows how >> > uncertain science has been. Einstein >> > knew QM would take a correction... >> > How can we get anywhere if >> > measurements are so uncertain? >> > And he had a God. God was his God. >> > Personal and impersonal. >> > >> > Mitchell Raemsch >> The measured value of the gravitational constant, which is one of the >> most difficult values to measure, has a current uncertainty of 46 parts >> per million or 0.0046%. > > Doesnt science need to know that constant exact before you could > predict how close to certain it is. Only a clueless idiot would ask such a blazingly stupid question. <snip remaining stupidity>
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