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Re: Einstein Lied Again

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  Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-01 15:06 -0800
    Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 17:37 -0600
      Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-01 21:44 -0800
        Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 08:36 -0600
          Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 10:15 -0800
            Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 13:32 -0600
          Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 10:23 -0800
            Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 13:40 -0600
              Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 13:47 -0600
                Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 12:32 -0800
                  Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 17:39 -0600
                    Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 20:55 -0800
                      Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 09:12 -0600
                        Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-03 09:33 -0800
                          Re: Einstein Lied Again Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 19:18 -0600
                        Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-12-03 10:24 -0800
                          Re: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-03 10:36 -0800
                          Re: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ? Clutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 19:32 -0600
    Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 10:30 -0800
    Re: Einstein Lied Again The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-14 23:58 -0800

#837273 — Re: Einstein Lied Again

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-01 15:06 -0800
SubjectRe: Einstein Lied Again
Message-ID<cmvfqg5n3flneup86p2c9dcn1bofe1a74t@4ax.com>
In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best. 




In other words, Albert Einstein FIRST wrote  to the President a draft
letter in German.






On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 12:31:01 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Biggest problem they had at the Manhattan Project was...
>
>How do you blow up that atomic bomb without getting killed during a
>test? 
>
>Same problem you had when you lit a firecracker or cherry bomb..
>short fuse...you had to throw it away fact before it explodes in your
>hand!
>
>
>Of course, there is only one person that was an Expert in Denotation
>of bombs in those days...Albert Einstein.
>
>
>
>
>
>Albert Einstein lifted his finger and wrote: According to the
>suggestion you expressed in your letter I am giving you here reasons
>for my opinion concerning the best localization for initiation of the
>Torpedo explosion...
>
>https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1455974257809260546
>
>Page 1
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSoXXFUUAApz8f?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
>Page 2
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSojvRVQAAjcLq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
>
>
>https://twitter.com/Starmaker111
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 11:32:05 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Shouldn't have Albert Einstein have gotten The Nobel Peace Prize for The Atomic Bomb?
>>
>>I mean, 'it' got Japan to surrender.
>>
>>The fact is, Albert Einstein is The Godfather of the Atomic Bomb, ...isn't that Right????
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 18:17:32 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >In article <610DDBC4.431@ix.netcom.com>,
>>> > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Of course I know that...he dictated the letter to his secretary..(dats wat
>>> >> they did in those
>>> >
>>> >Still wrong.
>>> 
>>> So, Albert Einstein is groping his secretary..
>>> rubbing her butt and putting his hand up her blouse..
>>> and he tells her..
>>> 
>>> "Did you finish typing that letter for me, honey?"
>>> 
>>> She sez "Here it is, you pervert!"
>>> 
>>> He looks at it...(then does a spell check)
>>> 
>>> Understandably, she misspelled Dr. Zsilard's name a few times.
>>> 
>>> He tells her "You wrote Zillard, but there is only one L, and it
>>> begins with a S and small z, ..."
>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/1
>>> 
>>> So she buttons up her blouse and retypes the letter...
>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/2
>>> 
>>> Then he tells her..."BEND OVER YOU FUCKING RUSSIAN BITCH!"
>>> 
>>> She tells him..."You're the bomb!"
>>> --
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>>>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
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#837274

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-01 17:37 -0600
Message-ID<so910c$fun$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837273
On 12/1/2021 5:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.


Have you read Szilard's book that begins with a "10 commandments" page 
of his own? :-) I've forgotten the title.

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#837290

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-01 21:44 -0800
Message-ID<61A85D46.563B@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837274
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/1/2021 5:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> > took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> > drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> > and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.
> 
> Have you read Szilard's book that begins with a "10 commandments" page
> of his own? :-) I've forgotten the title.

No, i didn't read it...but there are two books of that title..

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ten_Commandments_of_Leo_Szilard/8q-EQwAACAAJ?hl=en


https://www.amazon.com/Zehn-Gebote-commandments-Leo-Szilard/dp/B0007HT5KW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ten+Commandments+of+Leo+Szilard&qid=1638423594&s=books&sr=1-1






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#837299

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-02 08:36 -0600
Message-ID<soallh$7mi$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837290
On 12/1/2021 11:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 12/1/2021 5:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
>>> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
>>> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
>>> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.
>>
>> Have you read Szilard's book that begins with a "10 commandments" page
>> of his own? :-) I've forgotten the title.
> 
> No, i didn't read it...but there are two books of that title..
> 
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ten_Commandments_of_Leo_Szilard/8q-EQwAACAAJ?hl=en
> 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Zehn-Gebote-commandments-Leo-Szilard/dp/B0007HT5KW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ten+Commandments+of+Leo+Szilard&qid=1638423594&s=books&sr=1-1
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

It was a book he wrote himself as far as I remember. Not the one that 
was about how to coexist with other nuclear powered countries. Very 
rare. Only one library had one copy of it in Dallas area in early 1980s. 
Find it and read it. I bet you'll enjoy that.

Some works of value perish as time passes, especially after the advent 
of internet, by mere size they have among the ocean of garbage that 
surrounds them. If you ask me, using internet to find it will lead you 
nowhere. Start with libraries around you just in case by now they have 
not gotten rid of that obscure work years ago already. Just in case they 
had a copy of it to begin with. Libraries do regularly get rid of their 
older books.

Another example of it is the German exercise book I was looking for. I 
spent 30 years off and on looking for it and could not find it. I have a 
Persian translation of it and wanted the original German. I even asked 
that nutcase "Hanson" in this forum if he could find resources to use to 
find it. Of course he couldn't or wouldn't (which is the same thing if 
he is a CH). Some library, somewhere, probably got rid of the last copy 
of it that was in existence when the clueless clerk opened it and did 
not understand the significance of it. I think the same thing may have 
happened to Szilard's book.

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#837308

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-02 10:15 -0800
Message-ID<61A90D40.643A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837299
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/1/2021 11:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/1/2021 5:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> >>> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> >>> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> >>> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.
> >>
> >> Have you read Szilard's book that begins with a "10 commandments" page
> >> of his own? :-) I've forgotten the title.
> >
> > No, i didn't read it...but there are two books of that title..
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ten_Commandments_of_Leo_Szilard/8q-EQwAACAAJ?hl=en
> >
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/Zehn-Gebote-commandments-Leo-Szilard/dp/B0007HT5KW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ten+Commandments+of+Leo+Szilard&qid=1638423594&s=books&sr=1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> It was a book he wrote himself as far as I remember. Not the one that
> was about how to coexist with other nuclear powered countries. Very
> rare. Only one library had one copy of it in Dallas area in early 1980s.
> Find it and read it. I bet you'll enjoy that.
> 
> Some works of value perish as time passes, especially after the advent
> of internet, by mere size they have among the ocean of garbage that
> surrounds them. If you ask me, using internet to find it will lead you
> nowhere. Start with libraries around you just in case by now they have
> not gotten rid of that obscure work years ago already. Just in case they
> had a copy of it to begin with. Libraries do regularly get rid of their
> older books.
> 
> Another example of it is the German exercise book I was looking for. I
> spent 30 years off and on looking for it and could not find it. I have a
> Persian translation of it and wanted the original German. I even asked
> that nutcase "Hanson" in this forum if he could find resources to use to
> find it. Of course he couldn't or wouldn't (which is the same thing if
> he is a CH). Some library, somewhere, probably got rid of the last copy
> of it that was in existence when the clueless clerk opened it and did
> not understand the significance of it. I think the same thing may have
> happened to Szilard's book.
> 
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TEN 
COMMANDMENTS
                                                                   by
Leo Szilard
1. Recognize the relationships between things and the laws 
which govern men's actions, so that you
know what you are doing.
2. 
Direct 
your 
deeds 
to 
a 
worthy 
goal, 
but 
do 
not 
ask 
if 
they 
will 
achieve 
the 
goal; 
let 
them 
be
models and examples rather than means to an end.
3. 
Speak to 
all 
others 
as you 
do 
to 
yourself, without 
regard 
to 
the effect 
you 
make, 
so that 
you 
do
not 
expel 
them 
from 
your 
world 
and 
in 
your 
isolation 
lose 
sight 
of 
the 
meaning 
of 
life 
and 
the
perfection of the creation.
 4. Do not destroy what you cannot create.
 5. Touch no dish unless you are hungry. (A pun that could read -
   Do not turn to the court of law unless you are hungry).
6. Do not desire what you cannot have.
 7. Do not lie without need.
 8. Honor children. Listen to their words with reverence and speak to
them with endless love.
 9. 
Do 
your 
work for 
six years; 
but in 
the seventh, go 
into solitude 
or 
among 
strangers, 
so 
that the
memory of your friends does not prevent you from being what you have
become.
 10. Lead your life with a gentle hand and be ready to depart whenever
you are called.

https://www.abebooks.com/9780262191685/Leo-Szilard-Version-Facts-Selected-0262191687/plp

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#837320

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-02 13:32 -0600
Message-ID<sob704$nkm$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837308
On 12/2/2021 12:15 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> https://www.abebooks.com/9780262191685/Leo-Szilard-Version-Facts-Selected-0262191687/plp


Yes, this is the one! In its first page it listed his 10 commandments :)

It's a thin common looking book that escapes attention cause it looks 
like millions of those other thin hard cover crap that fills the 
bookstores and libraries. But it is a jewel indeed. As soon as I saw the 
picture I remembered it :) This is the back of the book of course. I 
don't know why there's no front picture there.

Look at the price! Somebody must've had a similar attitude towards it to 
mine.

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#837309

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-02 10:23 -0800
Message-ID<61A90F25.2651@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837299
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/1/2021 11:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/1/2021 5:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> >>> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> >>> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> >>> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.
> >>
> >> Have you read Szilard's book that begins with a "10 commandments" page
> >> of his own? :-) I've forgotten the title.
> >
> > No, i didn't read it...but there are two books of that title..
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ten_Commandments_of_Leo_Szilard/8q-EQwAACAAJ?hl=en
> >
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/Zehn-Gebote-commandments-Leo-Szilard/dp/B0007HT5KW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ten+Commandments+of+Leo+Szilard&qid=1638423594&s=books&sr=1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> It was a book he wrote himself as far as I remember. Not the one that
> was about how to coexist with other nuclear powered countries. Very
> rare. Only one library had one copy of it in Dallas area in early 1980s.
> Find it and read it. I bet you'll enjoy that.
> 
> Some works of value perish as time passes, especially after the advent
> of internet, by mere size they have among the ocean of garbage that
> surrounds them. If you ask me, using internet to find it will lead you
> nowhere. Start with libraries around you just in case by now they have
> not gotten rid of that obscure work years ago already. Just in case they
> had a copy of it to begin with. Libraries do regularly get rid of their
> older books.
> 
> Another example of it is the German exercise book I was looking for. I
> spent 30 years off and on looking for it and could not find it. I have a
> Persian translation of it and wanted the original German. I even asked
> that nutcase "Hanson" in this forum if he could find resources to use to
> find it. Of course he couldn't or wouldn't (which is the same thing if
> he is a CH). Some library, somewhere, probably got rid of the last copy
> of it that was in existence when the clueless clerk opened it and did
> not understand the significance of it. I think the same thing may have
> happened to Szilard's book.


if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try: 

https://www.abebooks.com/

used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
there.


Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
advance search you can use keywords instead.

people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.




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#837322

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-02 13:40 -0600
Message-ID<sob7eg$ntu$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837309
On 12/2/2021 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try:
> 
> https://www.abebooks.com/
> 
> used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
> there.
> 
> 
> Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
> advance search you can use keywords instead.
> 
> people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.
> 


This works for relatively newer books. The exercise book I was after 
came out in 1930s. These copies got lost long before newer internet 
related facilities became available. Germany was bombed extensively in 
WWII. I suspect last copy was destroyed that way.

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#837326

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-02 13:47 -0600
Message-ID<sob7su$o30$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837322
On 12/2/2021 1:40 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> On 12/2/2021 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try:
>>
>> https://www.abebooks.com/
>>
>> used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
>> there.
>>
>>
>> Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
>> advance search you can use keywords instead.
>>
>> people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.
>>
> 
> 
> This works for relatively newer books. The exercise book I was after 
> came out in 1930s. These copies got lost long before newer internet 
> related facilities became available. Germany was bombed extensively in 
> WWII. I suspect last copy was destroyed that way.
> 


And of course I didn't have the title of it. I only have a Persian 
translation of it made in 1930s. The book does not have _one_ Latin 
alphabet in it, so I only have the transliteration of Author's name, 
thus cannot be sure the spelling is correct or not. Same with Title. I 
only have a title in Persian, which doesn't even have to be the direct 
translation of the title in original German. The only part of the book 
that came directly from original are the drawings! So I am waiting until 
searching by image get powerful enough to find the original by image 
searching. At this time image searching is still in its infancy. Very 
weak and leading to nothing, especially when source is so old.



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#837329

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-02 12:32 -0800
Message-ID<61A92D5B.596A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837326
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/2/2021 1:40 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> > On 12/2/2021 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try:
> >>
> >> https://www.abebooks.com/
> >>
> >> used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
> >> there.
> >>
> >>
> >> Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
> >> advance search you can use keywords instead.
> >>
> >> people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.
> >>
> >
> >
> > This works for relatively newer books. The exercise book I was after
> > came out in 1930s. These copies got lost long before newer internet
> > related facilities became available. Germany was bombed extensively in
> > WWII. I suspect last copy was destroyed that way.
> >
> 
> And of course I didn't have the title of it. I only have a Persian
> translation of it made in 1930s. The book does not have _one_ Latin
> alphabet in it, so I only have the transliteration of Author's name,
> thus cannot be sure the spelling is correct or not. Same with Title. I
> only have a title in Persian, which doesn't even have to be the direct
> translation of the title in original German. The only part of the book
> that came directly from original are the drawings! So I am waiting until
> searching by image get powerful enough to find the original by image
> searching. At this time image searching is still in its infancy. Very
> weak and leading to nothing, especially when source is so old.

I'm pretty sure the author family members have a copy of the book....
you can go to their house and steal it. Or  you can scan the whole book
like google does.





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#837337

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-02 17:39 -0600
Message-ID<soblfp$v47$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837329
On 12/2/2021 2:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 12/2/2021 1:40 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2021 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.abebooks.com/
>>>>
>>>> used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
>>>> advance search you can use keywords instead.
>>>>
>>>> people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This works for relatively newer books. The exercise book I was after
>>> came out in 1930s. These copies got lost long before newer internet
>>> related facilities became available. Germany was bombed extensively in
>>> WWII. I suspect last copy was destroyed that way.
>>>
>>
>> And of course I didn't have the title of it. I only have a Persian
>> translation of it made in 1930s. The book does not have _one_ Latin
>> alphabet in it, so I only have the transliteration of Author's name,
>> thus cannot be sure the spelling is correct or not. Same with Title. I
>> only have a title in Persian, which doesn't even have to be the direct
>> translation of the title in original German. The only part of the book
>> that came directly from original are the drawings! So I am waiting until
>> searching by image get powerful enough to find the original by image
>> searching. At this time image searching is still in its infancy. Very
>> weak and leading to nothing, especially when source is so old.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the author family members have a copy of the book....
> you can go to their house and steal it. Or  you can scan the whole book
> like google does.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


I'm afraid their house together with everything in it got bombed to 
rubble 77 years ago. Perhaps the publisher was also bombed into 
oblivion. Things disappear through time very efficiently, even without 
wars :)

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#837344

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-02 20:55 -0800
Message-ID<61A9A35C.24F0@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837337
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/2/2021 2:32 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2021 1:40 PM, Clutterfreak wrote:
> >>> On 12/2/2021 12:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> if you're looking for 'hard to find' books try:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.abebooks.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> used bookstores from all over the world sell their used and rare books
> >>>> there.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your first step is to know  the title of the book...
> >>>> advance search you can use keywords instead.
> >>>>
> >>>> people sell books for $500.00, but you can find the same book for $2.50.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This works for relatively newer books. The exercise book I was after
> >>> came out in 1930s. These copies got lost long before newer internet
> >>> related facilities became available. Germany was bombed extensively in
> >>> WWII. I suspect last copy was destroyed that way.
> >>>
> >>
> >> And of course I didn't have the title of it. I only have a Persian
> >> translation of it made in 1930s. The book does not have _one_ Latin
> >> alphabet in it, so I only have the transliteration of Author's name,
> >> thus cannot be sure the spelling is correct or not. Same with Title. I
> >> only have a title in Persian, which doesn't even have to be the direct
> >> translation of the title in original German. The only part of the book
> >> that came directly from original are the drawings! So I am waiting until
> >> searching by image get powerful enough to find the original by image
> >> searching. At this time image searching is still in its infancy. Very
> >> weak and leading to nothing, especially when source is so old.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the author family members have a copy of the book....
> > you can go to their house and steal it. Or  you can scan the whole book
> > like google does.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I'm afraid their house together with everything in it got bombed to
> rubble 77 years ago. Perhaps the publisher was also bombed into
> oblivion. Things disappear through time very efficiently, even without
> wars :)
> 
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Let me see what the drawings look like.

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#837354

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-03 09:12 -0600
Message-ID<sodc59$s6n$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837344
On 12/2/2021 10:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Let me see what the drawings look like.

Dig up my sci.physics post about it. I had prepared two links to two 
different drawings and all the other information that I could extract 
from the Persian translation in that post for Hanson to start on. The 
links should still be valid cause that google drive is still mine.

Turned out (like anything else with Hanson) to be a waste of my time. 
The guy couldn't even admit he tried and failed.

The only reason I had asked him of all the creatures in sci.physics was 
that his mastery of German language together with all its different 
forms in Europe led me to think he may have better resources than myself.

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#837357

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-03 09:33 -0800
Message-ID<61AA5502.7FC4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837354
Clutterfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/2/2021 10:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Let me see what the drawings look like.
> 
> Dig up my sci.physics post about it. I had prepared two links to two
> different drawings and all the other information that I could extract
> from the Persian translation in that post for Hanson to start on. The
> links should still be valid cause that google drive is still mine.
> 
> Turned out (like anything else with Hanson) to be a waste of my time.
> The guy couldn't even admit he tried and failed.
> 
> The only reason I had asked him of all the creatures in sci.physics was
> that his mastery of German language together with all its different
> forms in Europe led me to think he may have better resources than myself.
> 
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the links to the drawings are no longer working...

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/SSkMwgbyPFg/m/2QpaypdWBgAJ



you need to put 'a little more effort' in the search for things you
want...

Like for example,  posting a link to the drawings.



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#837390

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-03 19:18 -0600
Message-ID<soefln$l9t$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837357
On 12/3/2021 11:33 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Clutterfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 12/2/2021 10:55 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me see what the drawings look like.
>>
>> Dig up my sci.physics post about it. I had prepared two links to two
>> different drawings and all the other information that I could extract
>> from the Persian translation in that post for Hanson to start on. The
>> links should still be valid cause that google drive is still mine.
>>
>> Turned out (like anything else with Hanson) to be a waste of my time.
>> The guy couldn't even admit he tried and failed.
>>
>> The only reason I had asked him of all the creatures in sci.physics was
>> that his mastery of German language together with all its different
>> forms in Europe led me to think he may have better resources than myself.
>>
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> 
> the links to the drawings are no longer working...
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics/c/SSkMwgbyPFg/m/2QpaypdWBgAJ
> 
> 
> 
> you need to put 'a little more effort' in the search for things you
> want...
> 
> Like for example,  posting a link to the drawings.
> 
> 
> 



I've gone through that (creating pictures and uploading them and 
providing links to them) two times in this forum already. I'm not going 
to repeat that again, sorry.

"A little more effort" you say I should put into it should've been 
exercised by somebody in this forum, not me. You or any other person 
here should've been there if not the first time, the second time 5 years 
back when the links were working great.

I don't know what has happened to the links. I haven't used that google 
account in years and am under the impression everything in the google 
drive associated with that account should've stayed intact. So those 
links should've been permanently valid. If they're not working then 
google may have deleted that drive's contents after some period of 
inactivity.

But back to the Szilard's book, now that you know the exact title and 
editor's name you might be able to find it in a library near you :) I 
still recommend that you read that book. It's not worth paying $180 for 
it (it's not a physics book) but it is worth spending the time reading it.

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#837358 — Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?

FromJeff-Relf.Me @.
Date2021-12-03 10:24 -0800
SubjectHanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?
Message-ID<Jeff-Relf.Me@Dec.3--10.24am.Seattle.2021>
In reply to#837354
Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?

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#837359 — Re: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-03 10:36 -0800
SubjectRe: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?
Message-ID<61AA63B1.4F99@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837358
Jeff-Relf.Me, @. wrote:
> 
> Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?


i thought he was in the French Legion...


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#837391 — Re: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?

FromClutterfreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-03 19:32 -0600
SubjectRe: Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?
Message-ID<soegf5$lig$1@solani.org>
In reply to#837358
On 12/3/2021 12:24 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
> Hanson was a Middle East mercenary, right ?
> 


Huh. If that's right then that figures. I always sensed something was 
wrong with him, something that I'd only sensed in ex-cons.

I can explain that more clearly of course than just calling it 
"something" :) I know the correct term in Persian. I think in English 
the scientific term for it is cognitive dissonance. When such issue 
stays on and on unresolved it leads to what I sensed in ex-cons and 
Hanson both. It is what remains of cognitive dissonance after it dies 
down. Something remains of it! Some dead thing. That's what I could 
sense in them.

Fuck'em both. My time is too good to explain such characters "clearly" 
for them. Hehe

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#837311

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-02 10:30 -0800
Message-ID<61A910E1.6E9D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#837273
Now dat FIRST letter that albert einstein 'wrote' in german sold for over 2 million dollars.


> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.


There were many drafts of that same letter which I already displayed here:
https://twitter.com/Starmaker111

and i still have more different drafts of the same letter that i haven't uploaded yet!

i didn't upload the 2 million dollars one yet.





The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
> took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
> drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
> and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best.
> 
> In other words, Albert Einstein FIRST wrote  to the President a draft
> letter in German.
> 
> On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 12:31:01 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >The Biggest problem they had at the Manhattan Project was...
> >
> >How do you blow up that atomic bomb without getting killed during a
> >test?
> >
> >Same problem you had when you lit a firecracker or cherry bomb..
> >short fuse...you had to throw it away fact before it explodes in your
> >hand!
> >
> >
> >Of course, there is only one person that was an Expert in Denotation
> >of bombs in those days...Albert Einstein.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Albert Einstein lifted his finger and wrote: According to the
> >suggestion you expressed in your letter I am giving you here reasons
> >for my opinion concerning the best localization for initiation of the
> >Torpedo explosion...
> >
> >https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1455974257809260546
> >
> >Page 1
> >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSoXXFUUAApz8f?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
> >Page 2
> >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSojvRVQAAjcLq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
> >
> >
> >https://twitter.com/Starmaker111
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 11:32:05 -0700, The Starmaker
> ><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Shouldn't have Albert Einstein have gotten The Nobel Peace Prize for The Atomic Bomb?
> >>
> >>I mean, 'it' got Japan to surrender.
> >>
> >>The fact is, Albert Einstein is The Godfather of the Atomic Bomb, ...isn't that Right????
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 18:17:32 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >In article <610DDBC4.431@ix.netcom.com>,
> >>> > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Of course I know that...he dictated the letter to his secretary..(dats wat
> >>> >> they did in those
> >>> >
> >>> >Still wrong.
> >>>
> >>> So, Albert Einstein is groping his secretary..
> >>> rubbing her butt and putting his hand up her blouse..
> >>> and he tells her..
> >>>
> >>> "Did you finish typing that letter for me, honey?"
> >>>
> >>> She sez "Here it is, you pervert!"
> >>>
> >>> He looks at it...(then does a spell check)
> >>>
> >>> Understandably, she misspelled Dr. Zsilard's name a few times.
> >>>
> >>> He tells her "You wrote Zillard, but there is only one L, and it
> >>> begins with a S and small z, ..."
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/1
> >>>
> >>> So she buttons up her blouse and retypes the letter...
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/2
> >>>
> >>> Then he tells her..."BEND OVER YOU FUCKING RUSSIAN BITCH!"
> >>>
> >>> She tells him..."You're the bomb!"
> >>> --
> >>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> >>>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
> >>>  the unchallengeable.
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

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#838442

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-14 23:58 -0800
Message-ID<9u7jrg99gk3lm1glu6qrno4elo7bhnikrn@4ax.com>
In reply to#837273
Einstein's First Letter to FDR that launch the  atomic bomb.

Albert Einstein composed entirely the very first letter to FDR, and
signed it.
Here is what that letter looks like.

https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1471020533986725889
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGocuQIUcAIU6gC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Here is what Szilard's said about Einstein's first letter to FDR:

In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
took down, and
I used this German text as a guide in preparing two drafts of a letter
to the President, a
shorter one and a longer one, and left it up to Einstein to choose
which he liked best. ..."

Albert Einstein proceeded to dictate a letter to President Roosevelt,
which Wigner wrote down as the three scientists sat about the wooden
table on the porch.
“I was amazed,” said Wigner in recalling the event. “He had wonderful
command of language and
 the words just flowed out. It surprised me, because you know one does
not compose such a letter casually.”
It was about noon when their work was finished.
Einstein's letter was typed up the next morning in Wigner's office and
handed to Szilard.
But before Szilard could proceed, he needed Einstein's signature on
the document.
There were two nearly identical letters: both composed at the same
time, both typed on
 the same typewriter and finally, both signed with the same pen by
Einstein.
One of the two, longer by a few sentences, was delivered to the
President.

Here are the first letter and the longer letter, and the drafts made
in-between.
https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1471020533986725889


Einstein's first letter to FDR was sold at auction for 2 million
dollars.

Here is more info on that auction:
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-3886884


On Wed, 01 Dec 2021 15:06:19 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>In Szilard's words: "Einstein dictated a letter in German which Teller
>took down, and I used this German text as a guide in preparing two
>drafts of a letter to the President, a shorter one and a longer one,
>and left it up to Einstein to choose which he liked best. 
>
>
>
>
>In other words, Albert Einstein FIRST wrote  to the President a draft
>letter in German.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 12:31:01 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>The Biggest problem they had at the Manhattan Project was...
>>
>>How do you blow up that atomic bomb without getting killed during a
>>test? 
>>
>>Same problem you had when you lit a firecracker or cherry bomb..
>>short fuse...you had to throw it away fact before it explodes in your
>>hand!
>>
>>
>>Of course, there is only one person that was an Expert in Denotation
>>of bombs in those days...Albert Einstein.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Albert Einstein lifted his finger and wrote: According to the
>>suggestion you expressed in your letter I am giving you here reasons
>>for my opinion concerning the best localization for initiation of the
>>Torpedo explosion...
>>
>>https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1455974257809260546
>>
>>Page 1
>>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSoXXFUUAApz8f?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
>>Page 2
>>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDSojvRVQAAjcLq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
>>
>>
>>https://twitter.com/Starmaker111
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 11:32:05 -0700, The Starmaker
>><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Shouldn't have Albert Einstein have gotten The Nobel Peace Prize for The Atomic Bomb?
>>>
>>>I mean, 'it' got Japan to surrender.
>>>
>>>The fact is, Albert Einstein is The Godfather of the Atomic Bomb, ...isn't that Right????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 18:17:32 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >In article <610DDBC4.431@ix.netcom.com>,
>>>> > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Of course I know that...he dictated the letter to his secretary..(dats wat
>>>> >> they did in those
>>>> >
>>>> >Still wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> So, Albert Einstein is groping his secretary..
>>>> rubbing her butt and putting his hand up her blouse..
>>>> and he tells her..
>>>> 
>>>> "Did you finish typing that letter for me, honey?"
>>>> 
>>>> She sez "Here it is, you pervert!"
>>>> 
>>>> He looks at it...(then does a spell check)
>>>> 
>>>> Understandably, she misspelled Dr. Zsilard's name a few times.
>>>> 
>>>> He tells her "You wrote Zillard, but there is only one L, and it
>>>> begins with a S and small z, ..."
>>>> 
>>>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/1
>>>> 
>>>> So she buttons up her blouse and retypes the letter...
>>>> 
>>>> https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/status/1425847669000343552/photo/2
>>>> 
>>>> Then he tells her..."BEND OVER YOU FUCKING RUSSIAN BITCH!"
>>>> 
>>>> She tells him..."You're the bomb!"
>>>> --
>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>>>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>>>>  the unchallengeable.
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