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| Started by | "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> |
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| First post | 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700 |
| Last post | 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700 |
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Who will take Russia's Far East ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-06 22:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 02:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 01:30 -0700
smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-07 01:53 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-07 04:59 -0500
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-10-07 12:24 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 04:16 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 04:41 -0700
Re: smelly dictators control the media with an iron fist. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 16:06 -0500
Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-13 19:53 -0700
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-13 22:38 -0500
Re: Subsidies flow into the military industrial complex. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 21:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-07 15:26 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 17:52 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 02:14 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 00:46 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-08 18:42 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 18:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 19:59 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-09 01:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 00:24 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-12 15:32 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 11:55 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-13 14:06 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:17 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 14:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 11:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 18:02 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 03:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 03:22 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 22:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-12 16:23 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 17:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Willian Ravenna <ewin@arnaanva.ne> - 2022-10-12 23:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 19:11 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 01:48 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 23:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:03 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 22:35 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-13 12:41 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-16 12:31 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-16 16:45 +0000
Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 13:51 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:14 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 00:45 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:50 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 01:05 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 17:01 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-18 00:19 +0200
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 14:32 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> - 2022-10-19 14:47 -0500
Re: Newsgroup Insanity Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 15:17 -0700
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-17 01:45 -0400
Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 14:25 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 21:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-19 19:40 +0000
Dictators subsidize the military industrial complex. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-16 09:54 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 14:04 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 15:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 16:55 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-18 20:43 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 19:30 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 01:24 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 00:01 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 15:18 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 18:07 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 22:53 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-25 20:58 -0400
Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-25 18:33 -0700
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 02:02 +0000
Re: Joe Biden, Putin & Xi all suffer from the same disease: pride. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 19:34 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-25 18:37 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-26 16:22 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-26 15:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 06:56 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-27 08:39 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-30 16:29 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 02:02 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 11:46 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 07:55 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wally Alescio <llew@wclasslc.oa> - 2022-10-30 16:26 +0000
Jewish Ukraine is LGBTQ+ friendly & Putin is mimicking Hitler. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-30 14:36 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-30 16:37 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-30 17:37 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Franz Salucci <uiin@cestales.ml> - 2022-10-31 10:58 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:32 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 13:51 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-31 12:54 -0400
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Buddie Fiore <inbe@iieuedi.du> - 2022-10-31 16:57 +0000
Too many dictators. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 03:02 -0700
Re: Too many dictators. Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-10-20 10:48 -0400
Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 08:23 -0700
Re: Today, Russia strikes Kyiv as Russian troops move into Belarus. Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:36 +0000
Too weak to care ? "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-20 09:20 -0700
Too many kooks chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2022-10-20 17:19 -0500
Re: Too many kooks % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 16:16 -0700
Re: Too many kooks Timothy Golden <timbandtech@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 04:59 -0700
Re: Too many kooks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-21 21:44 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:05 +0000
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 00:33 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 23:11 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-19 19:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 18:18 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-20 00:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 23:23 -0700
Dictatorships rule. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-19 01:23 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 03:16 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 05:09 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 15:19 -0700
The damage done to Russia's Crimean bridge. "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 02:08 -0700
Come 2024... "Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> - 2022-10-08 15:00 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 22:07 -0500
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 04:08 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Physfit Freak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 22:42 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 23:10 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-11 00:44 +0200
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Donald Richardson <drich@hotmail.net> - 2022-10-08 10:20 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 19:31 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? He <enihcamgnimag@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-19 09:48 -0700
Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ? Shining star <he12091983@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 08:20 -0700
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-15 14:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <baf4c06e-69ee-4e05-9ca6-f60798cb037en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862945 |
On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 09:34:10 UTC+11, whodat wrote: > Banerjee has laid claim that Australia is his country, but the post > below shows just how primitive an Indian he is, not Australian at all. > > With the way he talks out of both sides of his mouth he'd make an > excellent Russian propagandist, and he's just as transparent as they > are too! > > Rural Russia is a lot like rural India. You can turn off the sound (this > is nothing to brag about) and just look at how the people live in Russia > today. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqYgLZz2XoM > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXwRYMcTTo > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9cY00_jzi4 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZbjFN8l0RU Wow, thanks whodumbo for those links! By accident, you can do some good. No one is totally hopeless, even you, especially when your advice is not heeded. Indeed they are pretty similar to the rural conditions around my house in Jharkhand (now given for use, gratis, as a guest house to an ashram). Marvellous unity, simplicity, charm, joy of life. In my Insight tour of Russia we did visit some rural areas, while going to a holy place. We were treated to kvass there, a bread drink that looked like coke but was presumably a lot healthier.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-15 14:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3da97f87-f5f8-49d5-8f70-a648e21b40aan@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863078 |
On Sunday, 16 October 2022 at 08:03:57 UTC+11, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 09:34:10 UTC+11, whodat wrote: > > Banerjee has laid claim that Australia is his country, but the post > > below shows just how primitive an Indian he is, not Australian at all. > > > > With the way he talks out of both sides of his mouth he'd make an > > excellent Russian propagandist, and he's just as transparent as they > > are too! > > > > Rural Russia is a lot like rural India. You can turn off the sound (this > > is nothing to brag about) and just look at how the people live in Russia > > today. > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqYgLZz2XoM > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXwRYMcTTo > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9cY00_jzi4 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZbjFN8l0RU > Wow, thanks whodumbo for those links! By accident, you can do some good. No one is totally hopeless, even you, especially when your advice is not heeded. > Indeed they are pretty similar to the rural conditions around my house in Jharkhand (now given for use, gratis, as a guest house to an ashram). > Marvellous unity, simplicity, charm, joy of life. > In my Insight tour of Russia we did visit some rural areas, while going to a holy place. We were treated to kvass there, a bread drink that looked like coke but was presumably a lot healthier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxvBPH4sArQ staying alive, as opposed to being alive. Great song, horrid environment making it so.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-12 22:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <268f9df9-991f-4c26-b60e-ef29e192eeden@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862935 |
On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 07:23:47 UTC+11, Volney wrote: > On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > > >>>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > >>>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > >>>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > >>>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > >>> > >>> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > >> I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > >> bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > >> more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > >> Russia is. > > > > Not bogus reasons. As you won't see nor hear what you don't want to see and hear, there is no point wasting time upon you, but as you are not the only guy here listening, I will say what is what. > > You go live with your biases, unless you grow up and hear the Russian side of the story, for a balanced outlook. > I have looked at the Russian side. Lies, misinformation and > disinformation. Double standards galore. Bombing the bridge is > "terrorism" according to them yet they retaliate by firing a bunch of > missiles at civilian targets. NATO or rather UK did that, according to Youtube sources. Yes, bad luck for the Ukrainians to be so bombed and driven out. But the whole area has been violent for centuries, nothing new. If anything Putin is a kindly invader, goes away when civilians are used as shields by the armed forces hiding behind them. > > Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, as per some prior agreements, but they wanted to join NATO. > There was no such agreement. Apparently there was, as per the Russian FM. He talks about the Minsk agreements. > NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, there is no reason for Russia to fear > it unless it plans to invade neighbors. Which is what happened. NATO should not exist, after the cold war. Russia should be a part of it if it has to exist - against, say, hostile aliens. NATO is not defensive. They have been arming the Ukranians for 8 years after the coup. They can go on the offense in a flash, as it suits them. Which it did in the Middle East to keep the Arab states down. Why NATO? NATO is the military arm of the racist+bigoted capitalist pirates ruling the western nations, always desirous to suppress non-Western countries and steal their resources. > > There had been a civil war in the Donbass where 50000 Russian civilians had been killed. Things were OK until 2014, until foreign meaning US interference caused a coup, with a corrupt US puppet installed, with bloody results. The pro-Russian leader was ousted. Then the comedian Zelensky came to power by joking about the corruption. However under NATO direction he continued attacks on the Russian minorities and declared his intention to join NATO. That was very stupid, unless he was a US puppet. > So many Indians are Russian stooges, posting the exact same thing which > is Russian propaganda. What is wrong about their statements? Capitalist pirates are good at dismissing facts with a brisk whisk of their piggy tails. Now they are making tons of money by sabotaging the gas pipeline! > > Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? > Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter > the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New > Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old > Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia > proper. How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. > > Why is Russia not in NATO, so many of the former USSR states are. > > Answer, NATO represents the military arm of the criminal capitalist western countries who are always trying to grab what is not theirs. They wanted to grab Russia, and in fact everything they could, following their Roman-VIking-British-US piratical tendencies. > > And Russia stands for the exploited third world. > More propaganda. Are you one of the stooge posters, paid by Russia? To the twisted mind, as yours, in a twisted E.universe of lies, fact is fiction and fiction is fact. I know that the strategy you have is to repeat lies till they become truth, but this is perilous though admittedly profitable in business and career. But warfare, politics, etc. are neither business nor career; some foundation of truth is necessary. Yes, I have been very well paid by Russia, or rather USSR in the days I was dandled in the arms of Comrade Varlamov, back in 1963-64, as the Indushki Maalchik. I was considered an honorary Russian then, as I was brought up among the Russian kids, and that is one huge payment, what, for whatever joy I gave them. > Does Russia pay well? Oh yes. I got plenty from my friends: stamps, cards, toys, movies, picnics, games; their language and stories, friendship, decency, courage, strength, stamina... Worth far more than money. That payment was a strong component of all that gave me what it takes to become the greatest genius of all time, and sole god among lotsa devils. I was also well paid by Jesuits, aboriginals, engineering schools and industries; and of course the Vedic Hindus with whom I directly relate. I am so rich. > > If Ukraine became part of NATO, that would provide the hostiles with the ability to pierce Russia's soft underbelly. Ukraine could not go rogue, as per Russia's national interest. If Ukraine joined NATO, he could not invade Ukraine without all NATO going for him. There would be WW3, and China would come out on top. > NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization! No reason for Russia to fear them if > they simply act civilized! Lie. NATO is the most dangerous and evil military organisation of the brutal piratical western nations to exploit weak nations. It now wants a world war, to prove its purpose, using their clownish stooge Z. US - the head of NATO - wanted to attack the Indian subcontinent in 1971. Nixon sent in their 7th fleet to stop the invasion of East Pakistan by India, that created Bangladesh. The USSR sent in submarines in the Bay of Bengal. Seeing those subs, the 7th fleet ran away. IAF was also planning attacks upon the invaders. India will never forget this help from Russia. > > So Putin invaded Ukraine. To stop NATO expanision, > They sure did a good job at that! Formerly neutral Sweden and Finland > applied to join NATO! Ukraine will as well as soon as they kick Russia > out. And they will. Let us see. Seems to me that Putin's mobilisation is going well, from Indian sources. I think the bear has started to yawn. > > and provide relief to the Russians in the Donbass. Also, he has already got 12t worth of goodies, shaken up EU, and proved himself the champion of the thirdworld for standing up to the evil NATO. Exactly. > > > >>>>> What is known is that foreign journalists are not allowed there, unlike in say Vietnam. > >>>> Wrong. I've seen news reports from CNN, NBC, BBC and even a local TV > >>>> station from a major city have reported directly from near the front. I > >>>> just watched a video where Ukrainian soldiers were showing a US reporter > >>>> a recently abandoned Russian fortification near Kharkiv. (the Russians > >>>> seem to live like pigs) > >>> > >>> My mistake. I should have written unbiased and independent foreign journalists are not allowed there as they were in Vietnam. > >> And who would these "unbiased" journalists be, and what do you believe > >> they would report differently? > > > > The Bucha murders for instance, who really killed whom. > Oh really. The Ukrainians tortured themselves and then committed suicide > after jumping into mass graves. Or Russians in Ukraine were tortured and killed as they could not be trusted, as a military necessity. This seems a more likely theory, considering the way Ukrainians treated Poles in WW2. . > >>>>> All we have which may be true are maps showing how much territory has been occupied. The maps are not in dispute in youtube media. > >>>>> Russia sent old tanks without support, and they got blasted. They don't deny that. > >>>> Now they are sending even older tanks! T-62s from the 60s! Looks like > >>>> they lost much of their better stuff (or "donated" them to Ukraine). > >>> > >>> Point is that with all that they got 15% of Ukraine with old tanks and very little airpower and will most likely get 50% when they blast them after drawing them in the Donbass. > "Very little airpower" is an understatement. The Russian AF proved > itself to be weak and Ukrainians are picking them off. Just today > Ukraine announced they shot down 4 Russian helicopters in 18 minutes. Let us say, nothing like the airpower US used against Iraq. > I'll check Oryx to see what they have on that in about a day. > >> With what army? They had to do conscription, which has caused more > >> Russians to flee Russia than be conscripted, with older men, diabetics > >> etc. being conscripted, then sent to the front line with no training and > >> rusty weapons from WW2 and even WW1! They're sending T-62 tanks from the > >> 60s to the front! What next, WW2 tanks? > > > > They have 25 million in their reserve, out of which they are drawing only 300000. > They are already drawing the old and sick. Who are these 25 million? > Toddlers? No, again as per Indian source, they have sent back those who are unfit. The same source says that Western news are full of lies. Most Russians support Putin. There was a huge rally in Red Square. Lots of display of patriotism. Same source says that there is some opposition, but not serious. Russians are for Putin. > > Putin does not take the Ukrainians seriously. > BIG mistake! > > He is bothered about the arms and support given to them by NATO. That will force him to escalate to who knows what levels. > Of course he's bothered that the western arms are being supplied! Hitler > was also bothered by the US supplying Britain before entering WW2. And > for the same reason. Well, as Putin has been saying, if you really want WW3 complete with nuclear exchange, he is ready. Are you? Will whisking your piggy tails make his nukes vanish? > > > >>>>> Non MSM media says that the MSM simply parrots what Ukraine's leaders say. > >>>>> In short, MSM wants the war to continue, till the last Ukrainian. > >>>> Not what I just saw, the reporter was seeing it herself. > >>> > >>> Well, looks like they may get more lucky in Ukraine than Afghanistan, where the Afghans did not fight till the last Afghan, rather made the US make a disgraceful exit, leaving behind vast amount of equipment for the support of civil war that did not happen. > >> The US exit from Afghanistan was performed VERY poorly, resulting in a > >> near-panic US exit at the end. Even I knew that's not how to do it. > >>> Taliban then, Taliban now, with loss of 4 trillion US dollars and who knows how many lives. > >> The so-called Afghan army panicked/was routed as the US left, so the > >> Taliban got all their stuff. Shameful. (Don't forget Russia lost more > >> men in the first month than the US lost in 20 years in Afghanistan. Now > >> Russia has lost more men than the US did in the *entire* Vietnam War!) > > > > Not shameful at all. Very wise. They made fools out of the Americans. > The Americans thought the Afghan army was willing to fight. Nope, they > fled as fast as the Russians fled from Kharkiv. Fools got fooled! :-) :-) > > No fighting each other, to make the Western powers happy - look how those savages go for each other, while we play golf and chuckle. > > USAns have no shame, so it is strange you mention that word. You don't know its meaning. Shame is at the core of civilised life, so it is unknown to selfish-greedy barbarians, who live off lies, theft and plunder. > You seem to be talking about Russia here. No. They are not barbarians motivated by display of shameless prostitutes promoted by shameless media, as standard action to drown the meaning of shame; so make doing shameless things as if that were natural - with brief whisk of piggy tail. > >>> Don't be silly. Italy and Spain have their GDP from real estate, tourism and hairdressing type action. > >> They are legitimate countries and much of their economies are what all > >> countries do. Despite its potential natural resources, Russia is doing > >> poorly. Its advantage is they were more militant than either Italy or > >> Spain (for US people, Russia's economy is about that of New York State > >> or Texas's GDP), plus tons of old Soviet stuff. But much of that has > >> been poorly maintained, plus Russian corruption means many parts were > >> raided and sold illicitly. > > > > That may have been true in the dreadful Yeltsin era. But Putin has made tremendous changes. > Hitler made many changes to Germany, too. > > I was in Russia in 2018 for a week, and had a great time. They are doing fine. > They have really clamped down now. No freedom of speech, no alternate > information available, just propaganda. That is the result of war. In war, no such freedom is allowed. > > Unlike Italy and Spain, they do not depend upon tourism, fashion, etc. for their GDP. > > They have lots of resources, from timber to gold, oil to minerals, plenty of manpower, support from the *stan countries who also do not care for NATO and Western ways. > Some of the ex-Soviet *stans are starting to go against Russia. No, but there are always malcontents that the hostiles will prop up. > > Yes, Putin is using up old stuff, so he does not need to use the new stuff. > > He has tested his hypersonic missiles, his imported drones, and other hardware. > The Iranian drones are a joke. Ukraine shoots most of them down. Slow > and noisy, great targets. > > > >> Short term, GDP doesn't matter that much, how successful war is depends > >> on what you already have in both equipment and troops. Long term the GDP > >> is important to be able to keep up with the demands of war. This one is > >> in its 8th month. The Russian economy has lost lots of workers, already > >> fighting/conscripted or fled. Plus however much sanctions actually hurt > >> them. > > > > There were those who said that the sanctions would cripple Russia, Putin would die or be killed, etc. > Sanctions take a long time to work. Putin does have a big target on his > back, who knows when/if a disgruntled general takes him out. They said that the sanctions would work very quickly, and Putin would be gone. Now the tune is sober on one hand and hopeful on the other. > > Heh, let us see exactly who is hurting from the sanctions. > > Russia is still going strong. > Last I saw their economy has shrunk 5% a couple months ago. > > > >> They are nothing compared to Russia in terms of resources. > >> Which will help them in the future. Not now. > >>> GDP means nothing. Resources are everything. > >> And someday Russia will be wealthy. > > > > They are wealthy in their way. I saw most Russians doing well, no begging on streets as in say even Melbourne. In the country they seem even more satisfied, picking mushrooms and drinking kvass. > And now their young men who should be working are either in Ukraine, > dead in Ukraine (63,000 estimate), conscripted or fled. Not the way to > make a roaring economy. Russian accounts of losses are different. Their gains are undeniable. They lost 20 million in WW2. Many millions in WW1. Millions starved under Stalin. So what is 63000 (a probable lie) in contrast to 20000000? > > > >>> With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the hell out of US. > >> They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH > >> easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not > >> popular. > > > > Unlike the US, USSR was invited to come to Afghanistan by the lefty Govt. to help out the pro-Soviet government then under attack from the US-helped Taliban. > Hahahaha!!! Just like how Russia was "invited" by Donbass, and the > "referendums" to join Russia won by 125% in favor. Donbass is not Ukraine. The legitimate Afghan govt asked for Russian help. > The US didn't help the Taliban until the USSR invaded. Part of the > binary us vs. them cold war at the time. They had no business to interfere. It was not their concern. Nothing to bother them, so far away and with no interest in Afghanistan. > > The lefty Afghans were trying to do land reforms as had been done in India, and faced stiff resistance from the landed feudal lords who became fervently religious for mass support, so Taliban. > > USSR wanted a link to the warm water port, and there was the chance for India to help USSR to achieve this goal, > How? Helping the USSR take over Pakistan after winning in Afghanistan? More like, having a neutral and co-operative Pakistan aware of the needs to progress from being a rabid theocratic impoverished uneducated misogynistic intolerant hell-hole. > > with a hopefully co-operative Pakistan. > Yeah, right. Yeah, they want to remain a rabid theocratic impoverished uneducated misogynistic intolerant hell-hole; and so, a great ally of the US. > >>> They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further their interests. > >>> Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, anti-vodka, nationalist. > >>> Which is why we have the war with his invasion. > >> He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants > >> to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for > >> that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. > > No, I think that Putin wants to be like Peter the Great but is humble and conscious of his limitations. > Hahahaha!!! He is a megalomaniac! No, not at all. He is a great leader, an International Hero standing up to the evil NATO. > >>>>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. > >>>> As is the rest of Ukraine. > >>> Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. > >> And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. > > As it is bigger, and much stronger, it will win in the long run. > I doubt the "stronger" part. Their military turned out to be a joke. They got 15% of Ukraine worth 12t and would have got 100% if they wanted to had they ignored civilian shields, attacking with just 80% of the Ukrainian defense. 200000 vs 250000. Great work. > > Help from the West will hurt both sides. > Just Russia. Ukraine will remain free. They already have been badly hurt - lost 15% including much of coastlines. Many Ukrainians have been driven out, houses destroyed, factories razed... all because of NATO directions against Russia and a stupid leadership. > >>>>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. > >>>> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. > >>> Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them wholesale. > >> Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" > > He can use nukes on Russian territory. I hope he does not. > What will that do? A demonstration? Why, we already know Russia has > nukes, and what they can do. He can use nukes on the NATO troops posing as Ukrainians in the annexed areas. > > Alternatively he can use his air force now in full strength. > They turned out to be a joke! No, they restricted arms supplies to the East. > > They do not have to overfly hostile territory to launch their missiles from far. > That's their only advantage, long range missiles. But they have only so > many, and they just wasted a whole bunch on civilian targets (a war > crime) because Putler had a temper tantrum over the bridge. They can make more. > > Then the Iranian drones have worked. > The few that get through. > > His mobilisation of 300000 will strengthen the land forces. > The untrained 300000? Cannon fodder? They will either die or surrender. Let us see. > > The with winter on its way, the EU shaken with high costs, etc. one may expect Russians to benefit. > Not the undersupplied Russian troops! If they could see off Hitler's armies, they can see off NATO which for decades was scared shit about the USSR. Piece of cake. Once they get into the mood, that is. > >>> That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. > >> What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even > >> if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just > >> wait a few years and attack again. > > No, I don't think so. As things are, Russia wants demilitarization of Ukraine, a pro-Russian Govt. no chance of NATO thus and the 4 provinces in Donbass with Crimea of course. > In other words, surrender and become part of Russia. Yes. Good for them, when they do. They should have surrendered long ago, and spared all of us this needless trouble. > And if they don't? Russia will invade again. > > They have not changed with their stand. > > Their stand is that Ukraine broke the earlier agreements relating to neutrality, attacked Russian minorities, under a hostile and illegal government. > And that stand is wrong, it's Russian propaganda. No, Indian sources support them. They largely follow the analysis of Prof. Meirsheimer, a political scientist, who is not Russian. Prof M says that US is to blame for Russia's invasion. He makes very good points that cannot be controverted as they are based on facts. You may hear his views on youtube. > >>> > >>>>> There is no way Putin will not get his objectives. > >>>> Putin needs to worry about his life! Sooner or later, someone with > >>>> access to him who knows what he's doing to Russia may do something... > >>>> why do you think he always has such a huge table, he's a dead man > >>>> walking and knows it. > >>> > >>> That is what they said months ago. Putin is sick. He will be shot. There will be a coup. Yet he is still around, as well as ever, as strong as ever. > >> The Russian people are very suppressed under him, so it is difficult for > >> a revolt to get going. He is extremely paranoid as well. Who knows if > >> any revolt can ever get going. But he knows the possibility is there. > > They are doing very well under Putin, who they know rescued them from the dreadful Yeltsin era. > > Gorbachov was absolutely gushing about Putin. > No! Gorbachev was very upset over the Ukraine invasion! He still > believed in the Soviet Union, but not by force. I meant he was gushing about how good Putin was before the invasion started. So Russians have every reason to support Putin. > >>> Point philosophical is that for Einsteinian chaps like you there is no difference between truth and lie. You lot sincerely believe that when a lie is repeated a trillion times in a billion ways, it becomes truth. > >> That's the Russian way! They ALWAYS lie, and they do so poorly at it! > > > > No, they always tell the truth, and believe in telling the truth; > Good grief! They always lie. No, chaps like you always lie when it so suits. The West always lie about the East, and Russia is sometimes in the East for them. > > and so there may be delay in publishing the truth, > Delay how, by lying? No, verification takes time as opposed to the capi-piggy journalistic impatience for quick gains. > > for truth needs verification by competent authorities. I was brought up as a child among Russians, in a Soviet commune in India my father managed (he was the Executive Manager in charge of all the Indian staff), so I know this. > That explains a lot! The Soviet brainwashing still works. I was too young to be brainwashed. And they were not the only influences. Only about 25%. Yes, I was deeply and powerfully influenced by the Soviets, so I like to think I am the last Soviet around. > >> "We have no plans to invade Ukraine, we're just doing exercises on the > >> border!" the day before the invasion. The Ukrainians did all the war > >> crimes in the territories just liberated by Ukraine (how?). Ukraine is > >> run by (Jewish?) Nazis! The Moskva just had a little fire and is being > >> towed to port. Etc. etc. Good grief. But I see it has worked on you. > > > > That is not what the Russians are saying. That is what you are saying Russians are saying. Big difference. > Nope. Go google that. > > Anyway going by what you said: > > - true at that stage they had no plans to invade, for orders were not given. They would invade when they could. They have already given enough threats. For a successful invasion secrecy is required. Such is war. > Such a poorly kept secret! It was OBVIOUS they were going to invade, but > they kept denying it (secret how to deal with Russian authorities: Don't > believe anything until they deny it) A military need, relating to timing. > > - one does not know who killed whom. There is no reason for Russians to kill Ukrainians. > If that was true, they never would have invaded. The Russian propaganda > borders on genocide. Destroy the Ukrainian culture, their language, > their alphabet, their identity. In the occupied territories, they have > big billboards "We are all Russians" or "Ukrainians and Russians are one > people". Reminds me of certain Germans... Other way around, as per the Russians. Putin says that Ukraine banned the Russian language after 2014. > > But there is every reason for Ukrainians to kill Ukrainian-Russians as they would support their brethren. > What reason would that be? Nearly all Ukrainians speak Russian as a > second or first language. So why fight at all? Why not live together peacefully as they once did? > > There are horrific stories of Ukrainians killing Poles in the WW2. So it would not be a first. > And? There are horrific stories of Germans killing Jews during WW2. Are > they deserving cultural annihilation or something? We are talking of Ukrainian cruelty against Poles, and how that could be repeated for similar local gains. > > - Zelensky is a Jew all right, and he has the support of the Bandera-type Nazis who were massacring the Poles. > A jew being supported by Nazis. Yeah. Right. Tell me another one. Nazis did get along with supportive Jews they found useful. > > - how were they wrong about the Moskva. It did catch fire and was towed to port. What caused the fire was not clear, could be a missile, could be a local explosion. > It SANK! Maybe Russians were told it was towed to port, but the Moskva > is now part of the Russian submarine fleet. One missile could not have sunk it. It was not a torpedo that hit it. It was probably scuttled when considered beyond repair. > > > >>>>> Donbass is not Vietnam or Afghanistan, far away, not contiguous with US. > >>>> Yes it's adjacent to the rest of Ukraine. > >>> But not to the US. > >> Doesn't matter. The US isn't involved other than supplying weapons. > > It does matter about transport issues. > TONS of weapons already in Europe. More coming. Great joy for the fatcats of the MI complex! Huge profits! - snip -
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 12:41 -0400 |
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On 10/13/2022 1:35 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 07:23:47 UTC+11, Volney wrote: >> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >>>>>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for >>>>>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an >>>>>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a >>>>>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! >>>>> >>>>> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! >>>> I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for >>>> bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and >>>> more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as >>>> Russia is. >>> >>> Not bogus reasons. As you won't see nor hear what you don't want to see and hear, there is no point wasting time upon you, but as you are not the only guy here listening, I will say what is what. >>> You go live with your biases, unless you grow up and hear the Russian side of the story, for a balanced outlook. >> I have looked at the Russian side. Lies, misinformation and >> disinformation. Double standards galore. Bombing the bridge is >> "terrorism" according to them yet they retaliate by firing a bunch of >> missiles at civilian targets. > > NATO or rather UK did that, according to Youtube sources. > Yes, bad luck for the Ukrainians to be so bombed and driven out. > But the whole area has been violent for centuries, nothing new. > If anything Putin is a kindly invader, goes away when civilians are used as shields by the armed forces hiding behind them. > >>> Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, as per some prior agreements, but they wanted to join NATO. >> There was no such agreement. > > Apparently there was, as per the Russian FM. He talks about the Minsk agreements. > >> NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, there is no reason for Russia to fear >> it unless it plans to invade neighbors. Which is what happened. > > NATO should not exist, after the cold war. Russia should be a part of it if it has to exist - against, say, hostile aliens. > NATO is not defensive. They have been arming the Ukranians for 8 years after the coup. > They can go on the offense in a flash, as it suits them. Which it did in the Middle East to keep the Arab states down. > Why NATO? > NATO is the military arm of the racist+bigoted capitalist pirates ruling the western nations, always desirous to suppress non-Western countries and steal their resources. > >>> There had been a civil war in the Donbass where 50000 Russian civilians had been killed. Things were OK until 2014, until foreign meaning US interference caused a coup, with a corrupt US puppet installed, with bloody results. The pro-Russian leader was ousted. Then the comedian Zelensky came to power by joking about the corruption. However under NATO direction he continued attacks on the Russian minorities and declared his intention to join NATO. That was very stupid, unless he was a US puppet. >> So many Indians are Russian stooges, posting the exact same thing which >> is Russian propaganda. > > What is wrong about their statements? It's typical Russian lies, propaganda to try and fool the ignorant. Russia managed to get a puppet installed in Ukraine (like in Belarus), the Ukrainians revolted and threw him out (he fled to Russia), and held fair elections and got a new leader. Later another election elected Zelenskyy. After the revolt, Russia invaded and seized Crimea and part of Donbass. > Capitalist pirates are good at dismissing facts with a brisk whisk of their piggy tails. > Now they are making tons of money by sabotaging the gas pipeline! More typical Russian propaganda. They do something and blame the other side for doing it. Like blaming Ukrainians for their own war crimes in Ukraine. > >>> Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? >> Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter >> the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New >> Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old >> Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia >> proper. > > How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? Russia had nukes! Plus much of the Red Army. Russia was a danger as long as it was possible for those to fall into the wrong hands [<cough> Putin]. > Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. > If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. Russia actually tried joining but didn't meet the requirements. What would have happened if NATO member Russia fell under Putin and he wanted to go empire building like he's trying to do now? Interesting thought. > So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. All I know is they didn't qualify. > >>> Why is Russia not in NATO, so many of the former USSR states are. >>> Answer, NATO represents the military arm of the criminal capitalist western countries who are always trying to grab what is not theirs. They wanted to grab Russia, and in fact everything they could, following their Roman-VIking-British-US piratical tendencies. >>> And Russia stands for the exploited third world. >> More propaganda. Are you one of the stooge posters, paid by Russia? > > To the twisted mind, as yours, in a twisted E.universe of lies, fact is fiction and fiction is fact. More Russian propaganda, accuse the opponent of their own actions. I will not go on with disproving the Russian propaganda which you're lapping up like a starving cat and a bowl of cream. The UN had a vote on condemning Russia's bogus annexations. Only 5 countries, including Russia, all dictatorships, voted against it. Your beloved India abstained, probably because they're cowed by Russia and they don't want to lose the cheap oil and gas from Russia. >>> So Putin invaded Ukraine. To stop NATO expanision, >> They sure did a good job at that! Formerly neutral Sweden and Finland >> applied to join NATO! Ukraine will as well as soon as they kick Russia >> out. And they will. > > Let us see. Seems to me that Putin's mobilisation is going well, from Indian sources. > I think the bear has started to yawn. The paper bear is getting its butt kicked. >> They have really clamped down now. No freedom of speech, no alternate >> information available, just propaganda. > That is the result of war. In war, no such freedom is allowed. OK so calling the "special military operation" an invasion or a war gets you 15 years in Siberia and you're OK with that. Of course with one side the uneducated Russians will support Putin and the war, like Germans supported Hitler. >>> There were those who said that the sanctions would cripple Russia, Putin would die or be killed, etc. >> Sanctions take a long time to work. Putin does have a big target on his >> back, who knows when/if a disgruntled general takes him out. > They said that the sanctions would work very quickly, and Putin would be gone. Who are "they"? Sanctions never work quickly, and that is well known. >>> They are wealthy in their way. I saw most Russians doing well, no begging on streets as in say even Melbourne. In the country they seem even more satisfied, picking mushrooms and drinking kvass. >> And now their young men who should be working are either in Ukraine, >> dead in Ukraine (63,000 estimate), conscripted or fled. Not the way to >> make a roaring economy. > > Russian accounts of losses are different. Their gains are undeniable. They lost 20 million in WW2. Many millions in WW1. Millions starved under Stalin. So what is 63000 (a probable lie) in contrast to 20000000? That 20 million was the Soviet Union, not Russia itself. That included Ukraine, who lost disproportionately more than Russia proper did. >>> >>>>> With a budget of %0.0 and GDP of near nothing Afghanistan kicked the hell out of US. >>>> They also kicked the hell out of the Soviet Union. Invading is MUCH >>>> easier than actually holding the territory, especially when you're not >>>> popular. >>> >>> Unlike the US, USSR was invited to come to Afghanistan by the lefty Govt. to help out the pro-Soviet government then under attack from the US-helped Taliban. >> Hahahaha!!! Just like how Russia was "invited" by Donbass, and the >> "referendums" to join Russia won by 125% in favor. > > Donbass is not Ukraine. Russia agreed Donbass was Ukraine in 1991 and when Ukraine gave up its nukes. > The legitimate Afghan govt asked for Russian help. Legitimate according to whom? Russia? > >> The US didn't help the Taliban until the USSR invaded. Part of the >> binary us vs. them cold war at the time. > > They had no business to interfere. It was not their concern. Nothing to bother them, so far away and with no interest in Afghanistan. And Russia had no business in Ukraine. > >>> The lefty Afghans were trying to do land reforms as had been done in India, and faced stiff resistance from the landed feudal lords who became fervently religious for mass support, so Taliban. >>> USSR wanted a link to the warm water port, and there was the chance for India to help USSR to achieve this goal, >> How? Helping the USSR take over Pakistan after winning in Afghanistan? > More like, having a neutral and co-operative Pakistan aware of the needs to progress from being a rabid theocratic impoverished uneducated misogynistic intolerant hell-hole. >>> with a hopefully co-operative Pakistan. >> Yeah, right. > Yeah, they want to remain a rabid theocratic impoverished uneducated misogynistic intolerant hell-hole; and so, a great ally of the US. > >>>>> They already had it good in Ukraine, by interfering in their government, staging a coup, getting their own man in who will further their interests. >>>>> Now, Putin thinks otherwise. He will use the resources of Russia to expand and control his enemies. He is an anti-Yeltsin type, anti-vodka, nationalist. >>>>> Which is why we have the war with his invasion. >>>> He is a megalomaniac, he sees himself as a new Peter the Great and wants >>>> to restore the glory of the Soviet Union. Ukraine is quite necessary for >>>> that, Ukraine was the second biggest Soviet republic. >>> No, I think that Putin wants to be like Peter the Great but is humble and conscious of his limitations. >> Hahahaha!!! He is a megalomaniac! > No, not at all. He is a great leader, an International Hero standing up to the evil NATO. >>>>>>> It is contiguous with the Donbass. >>>>>> As is the rest of Ukraine. >>>>> Russia is much bigger than Ukraine. >>>> And..? That appeared to help them at first, but no longer. >>> As it is bigger, and much stronger, it will win in the long run. >> I doubt the "stronger" part. Their military turned out to be a joke. > They got 15% of Ukraine worth 12t Most of which they had since 2014. > and would have got 100% if they wanted to had they ignored civilian shields, Good grief. Russia attacks with Soviet methods, blast cities with artillery and terrorize civilians until they give up. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians find and pick off tanks, ammo depots and so forth. It's far from perfect, war never is, but it's FAR more ethical than Russia. Why did Russia obliterate Mariupol, which was already 90% Russian speakers? Q: What's worse than being a Russian speaker in Ukraine? A: Being "liberated" by the Russian military! attacking with just 80% of the Ukrainian defense. 200000 vs 250000. Great work. >>> Help from the West will hurt both sides. >> Just Russia. Ukraine will remain free. > They already have been badly hurt - lost 15% including much of coastlines. Many Ukrainians have been driven out, houses destroyed, factories razed... all because of NATO directions against Russia and a stupid leadership. Russia drives out Ukrainians, destroys houses, razes factories and it's NATO's fault? >>>>>>> They can take their time to make a counterattack. >>>>>> While Ukraine keeps nibbling away at Russian held positions. >>>>> Yes, so Putin wants them to come in wholesale so he can blast them wholesale. >>>> Unless he pulls out the nukes, I ask again, "With what?" >>> He can use nukes on Russian territory. I hope he does not. >> What will that do? A demonstration? Why, we already know Russia has >> nukes, and what they can do. > He can use nukes on the NATO troops posing as Ukrainians in the annexed areas. And the US/NATO erases the Russian military. (no NATO troops there, just their weapons) >>> Alternatively he can use his air force now in full strength. >> They turned out to be a joke! > No, they restricted arms supplies to the East. >>> They do not have to overfly hostile territory to launch their missiles from far. >> That's their only advantage, long range missiles. But they have only so >> many, and they just wasted a whole bunch on civilian targets (a war >> crime) because Putler had a temper tantrum over the bridge. > They can make more. Not the guided missiles needed to hit targets accurately. (but for terror attacks that's not necessary, all you do is to hit the city you're aiming for) >>> Then the Iranian drones have worked. >> The few that get through. >>> His mobilisation of 300000 will strengthen the land forces. >> The untrained 300000? Cannon fodder? They will either die or surrender. > Let us see. It will be very bad for them. >>> The with winter on its way, the EU shaken with high costs, etc. one may expect Russians to benefit. >> Not the undersupplied Russian troops! > If they could see off Hitler's armies, they can see off NATO which for decades was scared shit about the USSR. Piece of cake. It SHOULD be a piece of cake for Russia, but the latest conscripts have to buy their OWN gear! Other than partial uniforms and a rusty WWW2 rifle. They're going to need warm weather clothing very soon. I find it ironic that Russia is likely going to be greatly hurt/defeated by the winter which has saved its butt in the past. > Once they get into the mood, that is. >>>>> That is his strategy. I am saying this because I really do not want horrible bloodshed. As top Indian generals and analysts have said, Ukraine has no chance against Russia. So they better come to terms instead of foolish and disastrous behaviour. >>>> What terms? Russia has already proven themselves to break treaties. Even >>>> if Ukraine agreed to give up the "annexed" oblasts, Russia will just >>>> wait a few years and attack again. >>> No, I don't think so. As things are, Russia wants demilitarization of Ukraine, a pro-Russian Govt. no chance of NATO thus and the 4 provinces in Donbass with Crimea of course. >> In other words, surrender and become part of Russia. > Yes. Good for them, when they do. They should have surrendered long ago, and spared all of us this needless trouble. And India should have remained subservient to the British Empire, saves lots of needless trouble. >>> - how were they wrong about the Moskva. It did catch fire and was towed to port. What caused the fire was not clear, could be a missile, could be a local explosion. >> It SANK! Maybe Russians were told it was towed to port, but the Moskva >> is now part of the Russian submarine fleet. > One missile could not have sunk it. It was not a torpedo that hit it. 2 Neptune missiles. > It was probably scuttled when considered beyond repair. They scuttled it with 500 sailors still on board? Par for the course for evil Russia...
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-13 15:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <52a03e11-efc1-4c61-9736-0bb3faf8b652n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #862976 |
On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 03:41:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/13/2022 1:35 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 07:23:47 UTC+11, Volney wrote: > >> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >>>> On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> > >>>>>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for > >>>>>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an > >>>>>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a > >>>>>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! > >>>>> > >>>>> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! > >>>> I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for > >>>> bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and > >>>> more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as > >>>> Russia is. > >>> > >>> Not bogus reasons. As you won't see nor hear what you don't want to see and hear, there is no point wasting time upon you, but as you are not the only guy here listening, I will say what is what. > >>> You go live with your biases, unless you grow up and hear the Russian side of the story, for a balanced outlook. > >> I have looked at the Russian side. Lies, misinformation and > >> disinformation. Double standards galore. Bombing the bridge is > >> "terrorism" according to them yet they retaliate by firing a bunch of > >> missiles at civilian targets. > > > > NATO or rather UK did that, according to Youtube sources. > > Yes, bad luck for the Ukrainians to be so bombed and driven out. > > But the whole area has been violent for centuries, nothing new. > > If anything Putin is a kindly invader, goes away when civilians are used as shields by the armed forces hiding behind them. > > > >>> Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, as per some prior agreements, but they wanted to join NATO. > >> There was no such agreement. > > > > Apparently there was, as per the Russian FM. He talks about the Minsk agreements. > > > >> NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, there is no reason for Russia to fear > >> it unless it plans to invade neighbors. Which is what happened. > > > > NATO should not exist, after the cold war. Russia should be a part of it if it has to exist - against, say, hostile aliens. > > NATO is not defensive. They have been arming the Ukranians for 8 years after the coup. > > They can go on the offense in a flash, as it suits them. Which it did in the Middle East to keep the Arab states down. > > Why NATO? > > NATO is the military arm of the racist+bigoted capitalist pirates ruling the western nations, always desirous to suppress non-Western countries and steal their resources. > > > >>> There had been a civil war in the Donbass where 50000 Russian civilians had been killed. Things were OK until 2014, until foreign meaning US interference caused a coup, with a corrupt US puppet installed, with bloody results. The pro-Russian leader was ousted. Then the comedian Zelensky came to power by joking about the corruption. However under NATO direction he continued attacks on the Russian minorities and declared his intention to join NATO. That was very stupid, unless he was a US puppet. > >> So many Indians are Russian stooges, posting the exact same thing which > >> is Russian propaganda. > > > > What is wrong about their statements? > It's typical Russian lies, propaganda to try and fool the ignorant. > Russia managed to get a puppet installed in Ukraine (like in Belarus), > the Ukrainians revolted and threw him out (he fled to Russia), and held > fair elections and got a new leader. Later another election elected > Zelenskyy. After the revolt, Russia invaded and seized Crimea and part > of Donbass. The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a bloody coup. That much is well known, beyond dispute. Also known is that the replacement was extremely corrupt. Zelensky the comedian came to power by pointing that out on media. He continued with the anti-Russian activities of the earlier misgovernment. Very wrong and stupid too. Which gave Putin the reason or excuse to invade Ukraine, much as Hitler invaded Poland to save persecuted German minorities. Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. > > Capitalist pirates are good at dismissing facts with a brisk whisk of their piggy tails. > > Now they are making tons of money by sabotaging the gas pipeline! > More typical Russian propaganda. They do something and blame the other > side for doing it. Like blaming Ukrainians for their own war crimes in > Ukraine. There is enough talk on youtube sources pointing out that the NATO/US sabotaged the pipeline. For the US will get money from EU by hiking the prices enormously. Gouging. Watch the money to find the criminal. > > > >>> Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? > >> Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter > >> the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New > >> Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old > >> Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia > >> proper. > > > > How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? > Russia had nukes! Plus much of the Red Army. Russia was a danger as long > as it was possible for those to fall into the wrong hands [<cough> Putin]. Had they joined NATO their nukes would have been as the nukes are of France and UK. As an ally, they would not attack Europe. Not dangerous at all, the nukes of France and UK, are they. Why should Russian nukes be any different. If Russia joined NATO, nukes could have been abolished all over. No wars, no invasions. > > Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. > > If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. > Russia actually tried joining but didn't meet the requirements. > What would have happened if NATO member Russia fell under Putin and he > wanted to go empire building like he's trying to do now? Interesting > thought. Putin is not building empires. He is protecting Russia from getting into the Yeltsin state of treachery and corruption, decay and dissolution. He understands that NATO is pure evil, as it rejected Russia. NATO in Ukraine would mean threats, and replacing his honest and sincere nationalist self with some pet puppet of the West in Moscow, so as to loot Russia. So this invasion which should have worked had Zelensky not been such a useful puppet. > > So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. > All I know is they didn't qualify. I know that NATO is evil and so could not exist with the good Russia. That is why they could not let Russia in. If they did that, there would be in due course no point for their existence. The generals would lose their jobs, and the MI complex with their corrupt associates in govt. suffer. They don't want peace. They want war elsewhere to keep their jobs and perks. > > > >>> Why is Russia not in NATO, so many of the former USSR states are. > >>> Answer, NATO represents the military arm of the criminal capitalist western countries who are always trying to grab what is not theirs. They wanted to grab Russia, and in fact everything they could, following their Roman-VIking-British-US piratical tendencies. > >>> And Russia stands for the exploited third world. > >> More propaganda. Are you one of the stooge posters, paid by Russia? > > > > To the twisted mind, as yours, in a twisted E.universe of lies, fact is fiction and fiction is fact. > More Russian propaganda, accuse the opponent of their own actions. I am talking of the quality of your twisted mind, which sees fiction as fact, and fact as fiction, as it suits. Very Einsteinian.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 12:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <tihbkf$qbp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #862992 |
On 10/13/2022 6:16 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Friday, 14 October 2022 at 03:41:29 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 10/13/2022 1:35 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>> On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 07:23:47 UTC+11, Volney wrote: >>>> On 10/9/2022 9:02 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, 9 October 2022 at 09:56:30 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>>>> On 10/8/2022 3:46 AM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, 8 October 2022 at 17:14:45 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> And guess what: Looks like the Ukrainians had a wonderful present for >>>>>>>> 卐Владольф Путлер卐 and his 70th birthday! The Kerch Bridge just had an >>>>>>>> unfortunate accident! Several spans of the road deck collapsed and a >>>>>>>> train next to the collapsed section is on fire! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, what joy for our dear Christian moron Moroney! >>>>>> I saw a peaceful country minding its own business getting invaded for >>>>>> bogus reasons twice, by a force which is appearing to me to be more and >>>>>> more evil. Sure Ukraine was corrupt, but apparently not as corrupt as >>>>>> Russia is. >>>>> >>>>> Not bogus reasons. As you won't see nor hear what you don't want to see and hear, there is no point wasting time upon you, but as you are not the only guy here listening, I will say what is what. >>>>> You go live with your biases, unless you grow up and hear the Russian side of the story, for a balanced outlook. >>>> I have looked at the Russian side. Lies, misinformation and >>>> disinformation. Double standards galore. Bombing the bridge is >>>> "terrorism" according to them yet they retaliate by firing a bunch of >>>> missiles at civilian targets. >>> >>> NATO or rather UK did that, according to Youtube sources. >>> Yes, bad luck for the Ukrainians to be so bombed and driven out. >>> But the whole area has been violent for centuries, nothing new. >>> If anything Putin is a kindly invader, goes away when civilians are used as shields by the armed forces hiding behind them. >>> >>>>> Ukraine was supposed to be neutral, as per some prior agreements, but they wanted to join NATO. >>>> There was no such agreement. >>> >>> Apparently there was, as per the Russian FM. He talks about the Minsk agreements. >>> >>>> NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization, there is no reason for Russia to fear >>>> it unless it plans to invade neighbors. Which is what happened. >>> >>> NATO should not exist, after the cold war. Russia should be a part of it if it has to exist - against, say, hostile aliens. >>> NATO is not defensive. They have been arming the Ukranians for 8 years after the coup. >>> They can go on the offense in a flash, as it suits them. Which it did in the Middle East to keep the Arab states down. >>> Why NATO? >>> NATO is the military arm of the racist+bigoted capitalist pirates ruling the western nations, always desirous to suppress non-Western countries and steal their resources. >>> >>>>> There had been a civil war in the Donbass where 50000 Russian civilians had been killed. Things were OK until 2014, until foreign meaning US interference caused a coup, with a corrupt US puppet installed, with bloody results. The pro-Russian leader was ousted. Then the comedian Zelensky came to power by joking about the corruption. However under NATO direction he continued attacks on the Russian minorities and declared his intention to join NATO. That was very stupid, unless he was a US puppet. >>>> So many Indians are Russian stooges, posting the exact same thing which >>>> is Russian propaganda. >>> >>> What is wrong about their statements? >> It's typical Russian lies, propaganda to try and fool the ignorant. >> Russia managed to get a puppet installed in Ukraine (like in Belarus), >> the Ukrainians revolted and threw him out (he fled to Russia), and held >> fair elections and got a new leader. Later another election elected >> Zelenskyy. After the revolt, Russia invaded and seized Crimea and part >> of Donbass. > > The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a bloody coup. No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated impeachment against President Yanukovych when he fled. The riots started when Yanukovych suddenly rejected stronger ties with the European Union and strengthen economic ties with Russia instead. The Ukrainians rioted almost immediately. He turned out to be a Russian style oligarch, with loads of wealth including a lavish estate with a zoo funded by very questionable property deals. He also loaded his administration with buddies from his home area of Donbass. > That much is well known, beyond dispute. Nope. You have it twisted the Russian propaganda version. > Also known is that the replacement was extremely corrupt. Almost as corrupt as Yanukovych? > He continued with the anti-Russian activities of the earlier misgovernment. Very wrong and stupid too. Considering Russia invaded Ukraine, is it any wonder that he was anti-Russian? > Which gave Putin the reason or excuse to invade Ukraine, A fake excuse. > much as Hitler invaded Poland to save persecuted German minorities. You actually are defending Hitler's invasion of Poland? Wow, how can anyone other than neo-Nazis do that? Shame on you!! That was an obvious land grab by Nazi Germany and the USSR. I do note that Putler used Hitler's playbook and justified his invasion the same way Hitler did, "protection of the German/Russian minority". > Yes, looks like Zelensky was elected fairly. He was. > But democracy does not work when the leader is a puppet to unscrupulous foreign interests. Which is why the Ukrainians kicked Yanukovych out. > >>> Capitalist pirates are good at dismissing facts with a brisk whisk of their piggy tails. >>> Now they are making tons of money by sabotaging the gas pipeline! >> More typical Russian propaganda. They do something and blame the other >> side for doing it. Like blaming Ukrainians for their own war crimes in >> Ukraine. > > There is enough talk on youtube sources pointing out that the NATO/US sabotaged the pipeline. Youtube as your source??? Good grief. It's typical Russian action, do something outrageous and blame the opposition of doing it. > For the US will get money from EU by hiking the prices enormously. Gouging. > Watch the money to find the criminal. Any gouging will be by OPEC/the oil companies and so forth. We're already paying much more for gas in the US. The US won't profit from that. >>> >>>>> Now NATO is not supposed to be there, after the cold war. Soviet Union collapsed. So why NATO? >>>> Because, Russia is obviously dangerous to its neighbors! Putin has Peter >>>> the Great/New Soviet Union delusions. Putin needs Ukraine for his New >>>> Soviet Union, Ukraine was the second largest contributor to the old >>>> Soviet Union, plus had proportionally more technology/brains than Russia >>>> proper. >>> >>> How was Russia obviously dangerous under the drunken swine Yeltsin who drove Russia to disaster? >> Russia had nukes! Plus much of the Red Army. Russia was a danger as long >> as it was possible for those to fall into the wrong hands [<cough> Putin]. > > Had they joined NATO their nukes would have been as the nukes are of France and UK. Maybe, if Russia ever met NATO requirements to join. That Putler was able to take over and establish his dictatorship shows that Russia certainly was not ready. > As an ally, they would not attack Europe. What would have happened if Russia joined NATO and Putler took over and started acting on his ambitions? An interesting alternate universe. > Not dangerous at all, the nukes of France and UK, are they. Of course they are dangerous. But the odds of France or the UK going rogue and misusing them are quite small. > Why should Russian nukes be any different. > If Russia joined NATO, nukes could have been abolished all over. > No wars, no invasions. Wouldn't have happened before Russia got Putin. > >>> Putin was not around then, not in such a big position anyway. >>> If Russia was part of NATO along with Ukraine then there would be no war today. All happy. >> Russia actually tried joining but didn't meet the requirements. > >> What would have happened if NATO member Russia fell under Putin and he >> wanted to go empire building like he's trying to do now? Interesting >> thought. > > Putin is not building empires. He most certainly is! He wanted to restore the Soviet Union/become the new Peter the Great. He tried to annex all of Ukraine, Moldova certainly was next, then he had his eyes on Poland and the Baltic states. Who knows how he would have tried to do that, an outright attack would trigger NATO Article 5. > He is protecting Russia from getting into the Yeltsin state of treachery and corruption, decay and dissolution. So they now have the Putin state of treachery and corruption, decay and dissolution. > He understands that NATO is pure evil, as it rejected Russia. "Pure evil"? You really lap up that Russian propaganda! > NATO in Ukraine would mean threats, and replacing his honest and sincere nationalist self with some pet puppet of the West in Moscow, so as to loot Russia. As a defensive alignment, NATO would be harmless to a peaceful Russia. >>> So there were some deep murky issues involved with NOT letting Russian join NATO. >> All I know is they didn't qualify. > > I know that NATO is evil and so could not exist with the good Russia. Russia certainly is no longer "good", if they ever became good under Yeltsin. > That is why they could not let Russia in. > If they did that, there would be in due course no point for their existence. > The generals would lose their jobs, and the MI complex with their corrupt associates in govt. suffer. > They don't want peace. They want war elsewhere to keep their jobs and perks. Which is why Russia makes NATO to be "evil" as you put it. The Russian generals didn't want to give up their power. >>> >>>>> Why is Russia not in NATO, so many of the former USSR states are. >>>>> Answer, NATO represents the military arm of the criminal capitalist western countries who are always trying to grab what is not theirs. They wanted to grab Russia, and in fact everything they could, following their Roman-VIking-British-US piratical tendencies. >>>>> And Russia stands for the exploited third world. >>>> More propaganda. Are you one of the stooge posters, paid by Russia? >>> >>> To the twisted mind, as yours, in a twisted E.universe of lies, fact is fiction and fiction is fact. >> More Russian propaganda, accuse the opponent of their own actions. > > I am talking of the quality of your twisted mind, which sees fiction as fact, and fact as fiction, as it suits. > Very Einsteinian. > How could what I wrote be twisted? I'll tell you what's twisted, trying to link this situation to Einstein somehow.
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| From | Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tihcf1$366s9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #863104 |
Michael Moroney wrote: >> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a >> bloody coup. > > No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a > coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap gas and oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist europe, as "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, terrorist blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You stinking nazi khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. The nazis of "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on internet, for about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll be send back to khazaria, bitch.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 13:51 -0500 |
| Subject | Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <jr325uFnh6kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #863110 |
On 10/16/2022 11:45 AM, Everet Baldini wrote: > Michael Moroney wrote: > >>> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a >>> bloody coup. >> >> No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a >> coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated > > you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap gas and > oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist europe, as > "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, terrorist > blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You stinking nazi > khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. The nazis of > "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on internet, for > about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll be send back to > khazaria, bitch. This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by comparison, even when he's on their "side."
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 15:14 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <aa005ffa-3a9d-449d-9fbd-0e2ea077da6bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863117 |
On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 05:51:48 UTC+11, whodat wrote: > On 10/16/2022 11:45 AM, Everet Baldini wrote: > > Michael Moroney wrote: > > > >>> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a > >>> bloody coup. > >> > >> No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a > >> coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated > > > > you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap gas and > > oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist europe, as > > "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, terrorist > > blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You stinking nazi > > khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. The nazis of > > "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on internet, for > > about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll be send back to > > khazaria, bitch. > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain > horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > comparison, even when he's on their "side." Good, people are waking up under the power of the mantra: Entropy is dystrophy. Relativity is depravity. Quantum is bunkum.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 00:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <1863306.CQOukoFCf9@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #863117 |
whodat trolled: > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain > horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > comparison, even when he's on their "side." Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, hypocrite? FOAD. PointedEars -- Q: Who's on the case when the electricity goes out? A: Sherlock Ohms. (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 15:50 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <6be2503b-c256-494d-9dd8-c7f5a7d340bfn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863134 |
On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > whodat trolled: > > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > > with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain > > horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > > of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > > comparison, even when he's on their "side." > Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, hypocrite? > > FOAD. Hear, hear. Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. > > > PointedEars > -- > Q: Who's on the case when the electricity goes out? > A: Sherlock Ohms. > > (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 01:05 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <2558581.Lt9SDvczpP@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #863135 |
Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn > wrote: >> whodat trolled: >> > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in >> > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running >> > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" >> > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test >> > with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain >> > horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter >> > of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by >> > comparison, even when he's on their "side." >> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, >> hypocrite? >> >> FOAD. > > Hear, hear. > Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of endorsement of something. PointedEars -- Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy? A: They get Bohr'ed. (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-16 17:01 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <c09f1915-d918-43d3-924c-b1a91ce8568dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863136 |
On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 10:05:18 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn > > wrote: > >> whodat trolled: > >> > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > >> > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > >> > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > >> > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > >> > with significantly defective AI's. Either way, the results are plain > >> > horrid. It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > >> > of clear insanity. Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > >> > comparison, even when he's on their "side." > >> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, > >> hypocrite? > >> > >> FOAD. > > > > Hear, hear. > > Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. > You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of > endorsement of something. No, I was applauding your estimate (hypocrite) and recommended action (FOAD) of and upon whodat, whom I called an evil pseudoscientist, as he tries his best to harm me. True, the term "pseudoscientist" is too much of a compliment for him, and may give rise to misinterpretations. > > > PointedEars > -- > Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy? > A: They get Bohr'ed. > > (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 00:19 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <2155624.Mh6RI2rZIc@PointedEars.de> |
| In reply to | #863139 |
Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 10:05:18 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn > wrote: >> Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' >> > Lahn wrote: >> >> whodat trolled: >> >> > [asserted status of physics newsgroups and their participants] >> >> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, >> >> hypocrite? >> >> >> >> FOAD. >> > >> > Hear, hear. >> > Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. >> You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of >> endorsement of something. > > No, I was applauding your estimate (hypocrite) and recommended action > (FOAD) of and upon whodat, whom I called an evil pseudoscientist, as he > tries his best to harm me. True, the term "pseudoscientist" is too much of > a compliment for him, and may give rise to misinterpretations. Ah, OK :-D PointedEars -- Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch? A: Fission chips. (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 14:32 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <2895eea4-904a-4e57-91bf-a3c2b02d3ac5n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863176 |
On Tuesday, 18 October 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 10:05:18 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn > > wrote: > >> Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> > On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' > >> > Lahn wrote: > >> >> whodat trolled: > >> >> > [asserted status of physics newsgroups and their participants] > >> >> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, > >> >> hypocrite? > >> >> > >> >> FOAD. > >> > > >> > Hear, hear. > >> > Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. > >> You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of > >> endorsement of something. > > > > No, I was applauding your estimate (hypocrite) and recommended action > > (FOAD) of and upon whodat, whom I called an evil pseudoscientist, as he > > tries his best to harm me. True, the term "pseudoscientist" is too much of > > a compliment for him, and may give rise to misinterpretations. > Ah, OK :-D > > > PointedEars > -- > Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch? > A: Fission chips. Not in NZ. They serve fashion chips. > > (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Sergi o <invalid@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-19 14:47 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <tipk7v$olr$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863212 |
On 10/18/2022 4:32 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > On Tuesday, 18 October 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> Arindam Banerjee wrote: >> >>> On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 10:05:18 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn >>> wrote: >>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote: >>>>> On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' >>>>> Lahn wrote: >>>>>> whodat trolled: >>>>>>> [asserted status of physics newsgroups and their participants] >>>>>> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, >>>>>> hypocrite? >>>>>> >>>>>> FOAD. >>>>> >>>>> Hear, hear. >>>>> Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. >>>> You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of >>>> endorsement of something. >>> >>> No, I was applauding your estimate (hypocrite) and recommended action >>> (FOAD) of and upon whodat, whom I called an evil pseudoscientist, as he >>> tries his best to harm me. True, the term "pseudoscientist" is too much of >>> a compliment for him, and may give rise to misinterpretations. >> Ah, OK :-D >> >> >> PointedEars >> -- >> Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch? >> A: Fission chips. > > Not in NZ. > They serve fashion chips. NZ, the land of sheeps, I had a friend who did SW in NZ, left the US for political reasons, he had a house there too, near Christchurch, but an earthquake happened, and his house got gone, 14 feb 2016 I think... so he moved back to the USA >> >> (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-19 15:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity |
| Message-ID | <e00779f1-83d0-45b2-81b3-318b3fd41dc8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863244 |
On Thursday, 20 October 2022 at 06:47:16 UTC+11, Sergi o wrote: > On 10/18/2022 4:32 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote: > > On Tuesday, 18 October 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > >> Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >> > >>> On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 10:05:18 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn > >>> wrote: > >>>> Arindam Banerjee wrote: > >>>>> On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 09:45:13 UTC+11, Thomas 'PointedEars' > >>>>> Lahn wrote: > >>>>>> whodat trolled: > >>>>>>> [asserted status of physics newsgroups and their participants] > >>>>>> Care to explain what that has to do with physics or relativity, > >>>>>> hypocrite? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> FOAD. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hear, hear. > >>>>> Best advice for the evil pseudoscientists. > >>>> You appear to have misread or misinterpreted my comment as some kind of > >>>> endorsement of something. > >>> > >>> No, I was applauding your estimate (hypocrite) and recommended action > >>> (FOAD) of and upon whodat, whom I called an evil pseudoscientist, as he > >>> tries his best to harm me. True, the term "pseudoscientist" is too much of > >>> a compliment for him, and may give rise to misinterpretations. > >> Ah, OK :-D > >> > >> > >> PointedEars > >> -- > >> Q: What did the nuclear physicist order for lunch? > >> A: Fission chips. > > > > Not in NZ. > > They serve fashion chips. > NZ, the land of sheeps, > I had a friend who did SW in NZ, left the US for political reasons, he had a house there too, near Christchurch, but an earthquake happened, and his > house got gone, 14 feb 2016 I think... so he moved back to the USA My wife and I went there a few weeks ago for a holiday. Very pleasant, great scenery but lamb was scarce on the menus found in the North Island. Had fash n chips a few times, rest pies, asian, italian, local pub type. So happens, the sheep on South Island are prettier.. > > >> > >> (from: WolframAlpha)
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 01:45 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <tiiq4q$io3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #863117 |
On 10/16/2022 2:51 PM, whodat wrote: > On 10/16/2022 11:45 AM, Everet Baldini wrote: >> Michael Moroney wrote: >> >>>> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a >>>> bloody coup. >>> >>> No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a >>> coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated >> >> you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap >> gas and >> oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist europe, as >> "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, terrorist >> blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You stinking nazi >> khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. The nazis of >> "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on internet, for >> about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll be send back to >> khazaria, bitch. > > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > with significantly defective AI's. You do realize, I hope, that many of the "participants" are just the nymshifting troll, using fake name after fake name. It is trolling for 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 in payment for some watered down borscht. Apparently it cannot get any better work than that. > Either way, the results are plain > horrid. That's the nymshifter's job, of course. > It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > of clear insanity. That's 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda for you. > Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > comparison, even when he's on their "side." > Nothing can make Banerjee appear sane.
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| From | Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-17 14:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Newsgroup Insanity (was Re: Who will take Russia's Far East ?) |
| Message-ID | <072ac4c4-425d-4097-bf03-b0ab051ec210n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #863144 |
On Monday, 17 October 2022 at 16:45:03 UTC+11, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 10/16/2022 2:51 PM, whodat wrote: > > On 10/16/2022 11:45 AM, Everet Baldini wrote: > >> Michael Moroney wrote: > >> > >>>> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a > >>>> bloody coup. > >>> > >>> No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a > >>> coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated > >> > >> you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap > >> gas and > >> oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist europe, as > >> "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, terrorist > >> blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You stinking nazi > >> khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. The nazis of > >> "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on internet, for > >> about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll be send back to > >> khazaria, bitch. > > > > This probably as good a place as any to mention that the insanity in > > these sci.physics and relativity newsgroups has been running > > increasingly ridiculous. It makes me wonder whether the "participants" > > are actually getting crazier or if someone is attempting a Turing test > > with significantly defective AI's. > You do realize, I hope, that many of the "participants" are just the > nymshifting troll, using fake name after fake name. It is trolling for > 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 in payment for some watered down borscht. Apparently it > cannot get any better work than that. > > Either way, the results are plain > > horrid. > That's the nymshifter's job, of course. > > It isn't a matter of a difference of opinins, it is a matter > > of clear insanity. > That's 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda for you. > > Some of these "posters" make Banerjee appear sane by > > comparison, even when he's on their "side." > > > Nothing can make Banerjee appear sane. Moroney is a sore loser.
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| From | Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> |
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| Date | 2022-10-18 21:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tin7hr$3qpfc$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #863110 |
JanPB wrote: > On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 9:45:24 AM UTC-7, Everet Baldini wrote: >> Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> >> The West replaced a pro-Russian leader with a pro-West leader, in a >> >> bloody coup. >> > >> > No, Ukrainians replaced a pro-Russian leader, and it really wasn't a >> > coup since the Ukrainian parliament remained in power and initiated >> >> you disgusting stinking bedbug. "pro-Russian" because getting cheap gas >> and oil from russia, and now are you going to kill all capitalist >> europe, as "pro-Cacamericacan" for paying for the same 10 times more, >> terrorist blowing own pipelines as *tremendous_opportunities*. You >> stinking nazi khazar lying sondre bitch. Your time is coming, bitch. >> The nazis of "uKraine" putted Elon Musk on their *kill_list* public on >> internet, for about 15 minutes. You deplorable khazar criminal. You'll >> be send back to khazaria, bitch. > > First Putin leaves Ukraine. Then we can discuss other matters. But until fuck off, nazi troll. The "uKies" are turning over your people heads. they did it in the past. You are fool. Better shut the fuck up. You are disgusting. Russia is defending *own_people* Russian from birth, from the nazis. And *MOST* of the fake "uKies" are defending themself from the khazar gay actor oligarch cocaine zelenske. For the same reason. They are fucked up, and only the foreigner "armies" are pretending fighting in the nazi "uKraine". See you in Siberia, building buildings, bridges, roads and submarine, you disgusting braindead syphilitic filth.
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