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  Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 11:11 -0500
    Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-30 10:03 -0700
    Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 16:50 -0500
      Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-30 15:21 -0700
        Plonk. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-05-30 16:23 -0700
          Re: Plonk. Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 17:06 -0700
      Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 17:37 -0500
        Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-30 21:36 -0700
        Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-05-30 23:59 -0500
          Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-05-31 01:50 -0400
            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2021-05-31 05:34 -0500
            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-31 08:56 -0700
          Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-05-31 00:41 -0500
            Jimmy Carter's "Iran-kissing" gas-station lines. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2021-05-31 04:22 -0700
            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-31 08:54 -0700
            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 02:33 -0500
          Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2021-05-31 08:49 -0700
          Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 05:31 -0500
            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-01 05:51 -0500
              Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-05 15:46 -0500
                Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-05 23:11 -0500
                  Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-05 23:47 -0500
                    Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-21 19:05 -0500
                      Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-21 19:58 -0500
                        Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 12:22 -0500
                          Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-22 14:49 -0500
                            Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 00:23 -0500
                              Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 00:48 -0500
                                Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 03:35 -0500
                                  Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-) ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> - 2021-06-23 03:57 -0500

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#823610 — Re: Covid Vaccine For Physicists :-)

On 12/3/2020 5:12 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> This is what a physicist sees in the "vaccine" they're talking about:
> 
> We know that if you inject pure water in people, about 95 percent of them will not get sick by Covid 19. We know that if you do not inject them with anything at all, about 95 percent of them will not get sick by Covid 19. In both cases only the elderly and those with several medical and genetic pre-dispositions will get it. So these "95% effective" vaccines they're claiming to have developed really aren't better than nothing.
> 
> It is shameful that the bulk of people don't see this simple fact. It says a lot about who these people are. This hellhole itself, sci.physics, although supposed to be a place for smarter people to frequent, is a good example of who the bulk of American people are. Take a look. Do you see more kooks here or more people who can think for themselves?
> 
> That's why the pharma has acquired the audacity to present such financial frauds as "vaccine" to us. True vaccines take decades to develop! Remember that. And vaccine itself is not the correct way to deal with Covid in the first place. Covid rides on aerosols which travel inside air for hours. There are many effective ways to manage these particles in air as well as on surfaces. Shame.
> 
> And what can Covid 19 do to you? The only untampered and meaningful data that was presented to public came out before testing started. Before they smeared the data with test results. And that meaningful data indicated that if you get the virus and start showing difficulty breathing, cough, and high fever, you have 62% chance to recover, and 38% chance to die from it no matter what the doctors do or do not for you. Just like the earlier other corona virus epidemics showed.
>   
> And who, when acquired the virus, starts to have breathing difficulty, cough, and high fever? The 5% or so in general population that are either elderly or have genetic and medical pre-dispositions to the virus. How many among this 5% population will die? 38% of them. I.e, the percentage that death numbers among _all_ who have acquired the virus is slowly zeroing on. Presently 275256 deaths out of (14061616 + 275256) of those who acquired the virus.
> 
> 


Knowing Europe won't stay silent about what's going on, Biden earlier 
last week jumped ahead and announced an investigation should be 
conducted about origin of this virus!...

Did we ever hear about the largest faction of American society, the 
largest headache of present American government, is the greatest lump of 
useless old farts who used to be called "baby boomers"? That huge 
anomaly are now so old that not one of them are working. And worse, they 
were/are first-world Americans! Present working Americans, present 
government, is 2nd-world Americans. So did we ever even touch the issue 
of baby boomers in relation to this virus?

This virus curiously only killed the baby boomers in USA! The rest of 
the killings worldwide, especially in Europe, were curiously looking 
like just collateral damage to something Americans benefited from. Just 
a few days ago on May 26th European scientists gave out their conclusion 
about origin of this virus. They got beaten to it by a couple of days by 
Biden because of course CIA closely watched those scientists and knew in 
advance about the announcement.

You can see the abstract to their paper here:

  https://techstartups.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Abstract1.jpg

You can get more detail about how it was (reverse) engineered at:

 
https://techstartups.com/2021/05/29/new-study-european-scientists-found-covid-19-no-credible-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-chinese-scientists/

Note that the work in lab in Wuhan was being paid by a U.S. government 
grant. That lab, according to Pompeo also worked for Chinese military, 
meaning they developed bio-weapons. But the interesting point is this: 
bioweapon is best developed to kill everybody, especially the young and 
productive people of enemy. How come this virus only kills the useless 
old farts?

I think what's emerging is the fact that U.S. government paid that lab 
to develop this virus on order specific to Americans' need. Nowhere else 
in the world a weapon like that would be needed except in USA.

The heart of the argument European scientists make is that nature does 
not align four electrically positive molecules adjacent to each other. 
The physics of it is impossible to allow that to happen by chance.

So it looks like Europeans aren't happy about being just collateral 
damage to 2nd world Americans of today desiring to get rid of the huge 
useless lump of their once 1st-world Americans. The Europeans are now 
coming into open! Biden had no option other than at least trying to save 
face and pretend _he_ initiated the inquiry.


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#823611

ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip long-winded, babbling, off topic nonsense>

Nothing left.

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#823620

On 5/30/2021 11:11 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 12/3/2020 5:12 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> 
> Knowing Europe won't stay silent about what's going on, Biden earlier 
> last week jumped ahead and announced an investigation should be 
> conducted about origin of this virus!...
> 
> Did we ever hear about the largest faction of American society, the 
> largest headache of present American government, is the greatest lump of 
> useless old farts who used to be called "baby boomers"? That huge 
> anomaly are now so old that not one of them are working. And worse, they 
> were/are first-world Americans! Present working Americans, present 
> government, is 2nd-world Americans. So did we ever even touch the issue 
> of baby boomers in relation to this virus?
> 
> This virus curiously only killed the baby boomers in USA! The rest of 
> the killings worldwide, especially in Europe, were curiously looking 
> like just collateral damage to something Americans benefited from. Just 
> a few days ago on May 26th European scientists gave out their conclusion 
> about origin of this virus. They got beaten to it by a couple of days by 
> Biden because of course CIA closely watched those scientists and knew in 
> advance about the announcement.
> 
> You can see the abstract to their paper here:
> 
>   https://techstartups.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Abstract1.jpg
> 
> You can get more detail about how it was (reverse) engineered at:
> 
> 
> https://techstartups.com/2021/05/29/new-study-european-scientists-found-covid-19-no-credible-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-chinese-scientists/ 
> 
> 
> Note that the work in lab in Wuhan was being paid by a U.S. government 
> grant. That lab, according to Pompeo also worked for Chinese military, 
> meaning they developed bio-weapons. But the interesting point is this: 
> bioweapon is best developed to kill everybody, especially the young and 
> productive people of enemy. How come this virus only kills the useless 
> old farts?
> 
> I think what's emerging is the fact that U.S. government paid that lab 
> to develop this virus on order specific to Americans' need. Nowhere else 
> in the world a weapon like that would be needed except in USA.
> 
> The heart of the argument European scientists make is that nature does 
> not align four electrically positive molecules adjacent to each other. 
> The physics of it is impossible to allow that to happen by chance.
> 
> So it looks like Europeans aren't happy about being just collateral 
> damage to 2nd world Americans of today desiring to get rid of the huge 
> useless lump of their once 1st-world Americans. The Europeans are now 
> coming into open! Biden had no option other than at least trying to save 
> face and pretend _he_ initiated the inquiry.
> 
> 

This is the information indicating the bio lab in Wuhan's work on this 
virus was being funded by U.S. Government:

https://techstartups.com/2021/05/11/gain-function-dr-fauci-backed-risky-gain-function-coronavirus-research-bats-wuhan-labs-taxpayers-dollars-newsweek-reported/


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#823622

ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip old crap>

> This is the information indicating the bio lab in Wuhan's work on this 
> virus was being funded by U.S. Government:

And this has what to do with physics, dimwit?

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#823625 — Plonk.

Jim_Pennino replied ( to ClutterFreak ):
> > Wuhan's work on this virus was funded by the U.S. Government
> 
> And this has what to do with physics, dimwit ?

What do your comments have to with "common" decency ?

Plonk.

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#823627 — Re: Plonk.

On Monday, 31 May 2021 at 09:23:44 UTC+10, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Jim_Pennino replied ( to ClutterFreak ): 
> > > Wuhan's work on this virus was funded by the U.S. Government
> > 
> > And this has what to do with physics, dimwit ?

What does anyone but I have to do with physics, here?

> What do your comments have to with "common" decency ? 

None whatsoever.  Common decency is the basis of physics and other good things. It must be encouraged.
> 
> Plonk.

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#823623

On 5/30/2021 4:50 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 5/30/2021 11:11 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On 12/3/2020 5:12 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>
>> Knowing Europe won't stay silent about what's going on, Biden earlier 
>> last week jumped ahead and announced an investigation should be 
>> conducted about origin of this virus!...
>>
>> Did we ever hear about the largest faction of American society, the 
>> largest headache of present American government, is the greatest lump 
>> of useless old farts who used to be called "baby boomers"? That huge 
>> anomaly are now so old that not one of them are working. And worse, 
>> they were/are first-world Americans! Present working Americans, 
>> present government, is 2nd-world Americans. So did we ever even touch 
>> the issue of baby boomers in relation to this virus?
>>
>> This virus curiously only killed the baby boomers in USA! The rest of 
>> the killings worldwide, especially in Europe, were curiously looking 
>> like just collateral damage to something Americans benefited from. 
>> Just a few days ago on May 26th European scientists gave out their 
>> conclusion about origin of this virus. They got beaten to it by a 
>> couple of days by Biden because of course CIA closely watched those 
>> scientists and knew in advance about the announcement.
>>
>> You can see the abstract to their paper here:
>>
>>   https://techstartups.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Abstract1.jpg
>>
>> You can get more detail about how it was (reverse) engineered at:
>>
>>
>> https://techstartups.com/2021/05/29/new-study-european-scientists-found-covid-19-no-credible-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-chinese-scientists/ 
>>
>>
>> Note that the work in lab in Wuhan was being paid by a U.S. government 
>> grant. That lab, according to Pompeo also worked for Chinese military, 
>> meaning they developed bio-weapons. But the interesting point is this: 
>> bioweapon is best developed to kill everybody, especially the young 
>> and productive people of enemy. How come this virus only kills the 
>> useless old farts?
>>
>> I think what's emerging is the fact that U.S. government paid that lab 
>> to develop this virus on order specific to Americans' need. Nowhere 
>> else in the world a weapon like that would be needed except in USA.
>>
>> The heart of the argument European scientists make is that nature does 
>> not align four electrically positive molecules adjacent to each other. 
>> The physics of it is impossible to allow that to happen by chance.
>>
>> So it looks like Europeans aren't happy about being just collateral 
>> damage to 2nd world Americans of today desiring to get rid of the huge 
>> useless lump of their once 1st-world Americans. The Europeans are now 
>> coming into open! Biden had no option other than at least trying to 
>> save face and pretend _he_ initiated the inquiry.
>>
>>
> 
> This is the information indicating the bio lab in Wuhan's work on this 
> virus was being funded by U.S. Government:
> 
> https://techstartups.com/2021/05/11/gain-function-dr-fauci-backed-risky-gain-function-coronavirus-research-bats-wuhan-labs-taxpayers-dollars-newsweek-reported/ 
> 
> 
> 

Also, insertion of the 4 positively charged molecules onto the spikes of 
this virus was to give the virus a very strong hold on negatively 
charged surface molecules of human breathing cells.

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#823636

ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip old crap>

> Also, insertion of the 4 positively charged molecules onto the spikes of 
> this virus was to give the virus a very strong hold on negatively 
> charged surface molecules of human breathing cells.

As usual, your lack of understanding of a subject leads you to post
babbling nonsense.

There are not "4 positively charged molecules" on the spikes of Covid.

From the NIH:

"...the SARS-CoV-2 S protein is slightly more positively charged than
that of SARS-CoV since it contains four more positively charged residues
and five less negatively charged residues..."

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#823637

On 5/30/2021 5:37 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 5/30/2021 4:50 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On 5/30/2021 11:11 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2020 5:12 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>>
>>> Knowing Europe won't stay silent about what's going on, Biden earlier 
>>> last week jumped ahead and announced an investigation should be 
>>> conducted about origin of this virus!...
>>>
>>> Did we ever hear about the largest faction of American society, the 
>>> largest headache of present American government, is the greatest lump 
>>> of useless old farts who used to be called "baby boomers"? That huge 
>>> anomaly are now so old that not one of them are working. And worse, 
>>> they were/are first-world Americans! Present working Americans, 
>>> present government, is 2nd-world Americans. So did we ever even touch 
>>> the issue of baby boomers in relation to this virus?
>>>
>>> This virus curiously only killed the baby boomers in USA! The rest of 
>>> the killings worldwide, especially in Europe, were curiously looking 
>>> like just collateral damage to something Americans benefited from. 
>>> Just a few days ago on May 26th European scientists gave out their 
>>> conclusion about origin of this virus. They got beaten to it by a 
>>> couple of days by Biden because of course CIA closely watched those 
>>> scientists and knew in advance about the announcement.
>>>
>>> You can see the abstract to their paper here:
>>>
>>>   https://techstartups.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Abstract1.jpg
>>>
>>> You can get more detail about how it was (reverse) engineered at:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://techstartups.com/2021/05/29/new-study-european-scientists-found-covid-19-no-credible-natural-ancestor-created-wuhan-lab-chinese-scientists/ 
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that the work in lab in Wuhan was being paid by a U.S. 
>>> government grant. That lab, according to Pompeo also worked for 
>>> Chinese military, meaning they developed bio-weapons. But the 
>>> interesting point is this: bioweapon is best developed to kill 
>>> everybody, especially the young and productive people of enemy. How 
>>> come this virus only kills the useless old farts?
>>>
>>> I think what's emerging is the fact that U.S. government paid that 
>>> lab to develop this virus on order specific to Americans' need. 
>>> Nowhere else in the world a weapon like that would be needed except 
>>> in USA.
>>>
>>> The heart of the argument European scientists make is that nature 
>>> does not align four electrically positive molecules adjacent to each 
>>> other. The physics of it is impossible to allow that to happen by 
>>> chance.
>>>
>>> So it looks like Europeans aren't happy about being just collateral 
>>> damage to 2nd world Americans of today desiring to get rid of the 
>>> huge useless lump of their once 1st-world Americans. The Europeans 
>>> are now coming into open! Biden had no option other than at least 
>>> trying to save face and pretend _he_ initiated the inquiry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is the information indicating the bio lab in Wuhan's work on this 
>> virus was being funded by U.S. Government:
>>
>> https://techstartups.com/2021/05/11/gain-function-dr-fauci-backed-risky-gain-function-coronavirus-research-bats-wuhan-labs-taxpayers-dollars-newsweek-reported/ 
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Also, insertion of the 4 positively charged molecules onto the spikes of 
> this virus was to give the virus a very strong hold on negatively 
> charged surface molecules of human breathing cells.
> 


Information on really what happened, as is seen from the two European 
scientists' abstract to their upcoming paper, has been available for a 
whole year. But the definitive decision to come out with it as the 
actual scenario that took place for construction and spread of the virus 
had to wait until work on this virus was much more carefully accomplished.

How far back was this definitive decision made in Europe? From what I 
see in news it looks like CIA disclosed the Wuhan lab's covid sickness 
incident (that involved hospitalization of some of its scientists at 
least a whole month before the official "December 2019" date) to Wall 
Street Journal only last Sunday, May 23rd. It looks like CIA was in a 
hurry to publicize it so Biden would have time to jump in and pretend 
leadership of this investigation.

CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
scientists pointed to that! No question there. But their decision to 
disclose that Wuhan incident must've only come after becoming certain 
the two European scientists mean business! That in fact Europeans, some 
of 1st-world status themselves, don't play the game according to rules 
of a 2nd-world country's no matter how large or powerful. This, takes 
the date of Europeans' true intention back at least to last weekend, May 
23rd.





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#823638

On 5/31/2021 1:41 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>> scientists pointed to that! No question there.

> The first fact mentioned above rings a bell. It isn't the first time 
> U.S. government conducts its hazardous activities elsewhere. Do you guys 
> remember Eisenhower's "Atom For Peace" plan or some similar crap of a 
> title? His strategy was that nuclear war with Soviet Union must be 
> conducted close to Soviet Union, not USA. All those reactors he ordered 
> made in countries around USSR were to have the dual function of 
> providing fission material locally for bombs deployed locally against 
> Soviets, and at the same time being targets of nuclear attacks from 
> Soviets locally! This would create enough time for USA to defeat Soviets 
> before they could harm industries inside USA. "Atom for peace!"

Nope. "Atoms for peace" was a plan to use nuclear explosions for things 
like blasting ship canals, making artificial lakes/reservoirs, 
extracting oil/gas/water, etc. It didn't work out because it left 
everything radioactive and corrosive.

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#823643

On 5/31/2021 12:50 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 5/31/2021 1:41 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>>> scientists pointed to that! No question there.
> 
>> The first fact mentioned above rings a bell. It isn't the first time 
>> U.S. government conducts its hazardous activities elsewhere. Do you 
>> guys remember Eisenhower's "Atom For Peace" plan or some similar crap 
>> of a title? His strategy was that nuclear war with Soviet Union must 
>> be conducted close to Soviet Union, not USA. All those reactors he 
>> ordered made in countries around USSR were to have the dual function 
>> of providing fission material locally for bombs deployed locally 
>> against Soviets, and at the same time being targets of nuclear attacks 
>> from Soviets locally! This would create enough time for USA to defeat 
>> Soviets before they could harm industries inside USA. "Atom for peace!"
> 
> Nope. "Atoms for peace" was a plan to use nuclear explosions for things 
> like blasting ship canals, making artificial lakes/reservoirs, 
> extracting oil/gas/water, etc. It didn't work out because it left 
> everything radioactive and corrosive.

It was the sheer ignorance of politicians of that day.

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#823650

Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> On 5/31/2021 1:41 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>>> scientists pointed to that! No question there.
> 
>> The first fact mentioned above rings a bell. It isn't the first time 
>> U.S. government conducts its hazardous activities elsewhere. Do you guys 
>> remember Eisenhower's "Atom For Peace" plan or some similar crap of a 
>> title? His strategy was that nuclear war with Soviet Union must be 
>> conducted close to Soviet Union, not USA. All those reactors he ordered 
>> made in countries around USSR were to have the dual function of 
>> providing fission material locally for bombs deployed locally against 
>> Soviets, and at the same time being targets of nuclear attacks from 
>> Soviets locally! This would create enough time for USA to defeat Soviets 
>> before they could harm industries inside USA. "Atom for peace!"
> 
> Nope. "Atoms for peace" was a plan to use nuclear explosions for things 
> like blasting ship canals, making artificial lakes/reservoirs, 
> extracting oil/gas/water, etc. It didn't work out because it left 
> everything radioactive and corrosive.

As usual, the halfwit takes a small bit of real information, i.e. that
there was an Atoms for Peace program, and conflates it into babbling
nonsense.

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#823639

On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
> scientists pointed to that! No question there.


They may have had a role from start in choosing that Wuhan lab for 
creating what U.S. government was asking for. But then it could be that 
the government conducted that plan without any need to involve CIA in 
it. Government did stuff like that before CIA was ever created.

Two other obvious facts:

- government didn't want the construction be done inside USA

- government from the beginning didn't have any  intention to confine 
this virus within borders of USA. In fact it would help if the spread 
began elsewhere then reach USA.

The first fact mentioned above rings a bell. It isn't the first time 
U.S. government conducts its hazardous activities elsewhere. Do you guys 
remember Eisenhower's "Atom For Peace" plan or some similar crap of a 
title? His strategy was that nuclear war with Soviet Union must be 
conducted close to Soviet Union, not USA. All those reactors he ordered 
made in countries around USSR were to have the dual function of 
providing fission material locally for bombs deployed locally against 
Soviets, and at the same time being targets of nuclear attacks from 
Soviets locally! This would create enough time for USA to defeat Soviets 
before they could harm industries inside USA. "Atom for peace!"

So this government is not new to such plans as utilizing Wuhan lab's 
facilities to conduct nasty and dangerous research without even 
involving CIA. The government paid for it, didn't they! Follow the money.

The second fact I mentioned can clarify why Trump admin was so 
undisturbed when spread reached Europe big time, and so seemingly 
negligent in stopping it from getting into USA, something that with the 
information they already had since November 2019 about this virus, could 
easily be prevented and controlled. The plan indeed didn't care from day 
one whether it spreads to other countries as well. It only cared that it 
should spread inside USA. Baby boomers are the biggest sink of 
government money it has even seen. A "Brazil" doesn't want to have that 
burden.







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#823644 — Jimmy Carter's "Iran-kissing" gas-station lines.

ClutterFreak:
> Baby boomers are the biggest sink of government money.
> "Brazil" doesn't want to have that burden.

But Brazil does have that problem, 
as does the rest of the world.

Brazil is an amazing country, _much_ better than Florida.

The CIA has always been well aware of their 
involvement in this Covid debacle/cover-up.  

Sadly, the deep state can do no wrong;
we can do no right.

It's been 40 years since president Reagan won 
his landslide victory... now we're back to 
Jimmy Carter's "Iran-kissing" gas-station lines.

The pendulum is about to swing the other way,
from the war on landlords, to another war on drugs.

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#823654

ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip old crap>

> They may have had a role from start in choosing that Wuhan lab for 
> creating what U.S. government was asking for. But then it could be that 
> the government conducted that plan without any need to involve CIA in 
> it. Government did stuff like that before CIA was ever created.

Or it could be you are a babbling halfwit.

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#823691

On 5/31/2021 12:41 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>> scientists pointed to that! No question there.
> 
> 
> They may have had a role from start in choosing that Wuhan lab for 
> creating what U.S. government was asking for. But then it could be that 
> the government conducted that plan without any need to involve CIA in 
> it. Government did stuff like that before CIA was ever created.
> 
> Two other obvious facts:
> 
> - government didn't want the construction be done inside USA
> 
> - government from the beginning didn't have any  intention to confine 
> this virus within borders of USA. In fact it would help if the spread 
> began elsewhere then reach USA.
> 
> The first fact mentioned above rings a bell. It isn't the first time 
> U.S. government conducts its hazardous activities elsewhere. Do you guys 
> remember Eisenhower's "Atom For Peace" plan or some similar crap of a 
> title? His strategy was that nuclear war with Soviet Union must be 
> conducted close to Soviet Union, not USA. All those reactors he ordered 
> made in countries around USSR were to have the dual function of 
> providing fission material locally for bombs deployed locally against 
> Soviets, and at the same time being targets of nuclear attacks from 
> Soviets locally! This would create enough time for USA to defeat Soviets 
> before they could harm industries inside USA. "Atom for peace!"
> 
> So this government is not new to such plans as utilizing Wuhan lab's 
> facilities to conduct nasty and dangerous research without even 
> involving CIA. The government paid for it, didn't they! Follow the money.
> 
> The second fact I mentioned can clarify why Trump admin was so 
> undisturbed when spread reached Europe big time, and so seemingly 
> negligent in stopping it from getting into USA, something that with the 
> information they already had since November 2019 about this virus, could 
> easily be prevented and controlled. The plan indeed didn't care from day 
> one whether it spreads to other countries as well. It only cared that it 
> should spread inside USA. Baby boomers are the biggest sink of 
> government money it has even seen. A "Brazil" doesn't want to have that 
> burden.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Remember Cerami? He'd got very close to find a way to totally prevent as 
well as heal oxidation damages to human tissues, essentially making 
humans live at least 30 years longer. Then what happened? As soon as he 
published _two_ reports of the progresses he and his work disappeared 
from any radar that people have access to. I never heard of him after 
that. And this was a guy whose first rate work had led to invention of 
AIc test for diabetics of the world! Gone, forgotten!

I had posted a report of his progresses to this forum titled something 
like "In 10 years you will become younger than now." But even then from 
comments it received it showed clearly that government will kill it. 
Which I think did! Even then, two decades back, United States had 
already changed nature. It was thinking like a 2nd-world country about 
its people.




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#823651

ClutterFreak <clutterfreakincarnate@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip old crap>

<snip off topic, bloviated, arm waving babble>

Nothing left.

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#823699

On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
> scientists pointed to that! No question there. But their decision to 
> disclose that Wuhan incident must've only come after becoming certain 
> the two European scientists mean business! That in fact Europeans, some 
> of 1st-world status themselves, don't play the game according to rules 
> of a 2nd-world country's no matter how large or powerful. This, takes 
> the date of Europeans' true intention back at least to last weekend, May 
> 23rd.


This doesn't mean their decision was made right prior to May 23rd of 
course. There might've been some sort of agreement between CIA and the 
two scientists to postpone their announcement until election in USA was 
over. Or, perhaps the two waited to first see what USA was doing about 
developing the vaccine to it before making their decision about 
announcements.

If the vaccines had proven not working (I'm still skeptical of their 
effectiveness) I don't think the two would announce their findings, 
cause there would be higher priority work to be conducted to find a true 
vaccine. But when signs here and there began to show that vaccine was 
working, the priority would now shift to go after who was responsible 
for this mess.

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#823704

On 6/1/2021 5:31 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>> scientists pointed to that! No question there. But their decision to 
>> disclose that Wuhan incident must've only come after becoming certain 
>> the two European scientists mean business! That in fact Europeans, 
>> some of 1st-world status themselves, don't play the game according to 
>> rules of a 2nd-world country's no matter how large or powerful. This, 
>> takes the date of Europeans' true intention back at least to last 
>> weekend, May 23rd.
> 
> 
> This doesn't mean their decision was made right prior to May 23rd of 
> course. There might've been some sort of agreement between CIA and the 
> two scientists to postpone their announcement until election in USA was 
> over. Or, perhaps the two waited to first see what USA was doing about 
> developing the vaccine to it before making their decision about 
> announcements.
> 
> If the vaccines had proven not working (I'm still skeptical of their 
> effectiveness) I don't think the two would announce their findings, 
> cause there would be higher priority work to be conducted to find a true 
> vaccine. But when signs here and there began to show that vaccine was 
> working, the priority would now shift to go after who was responsible 
> for this mess.
> 

Now let's step back and take another look at this fucked up situation 
from a wider angle. Note that they used a backbone virus of bat origin 
to place the engineered spikes on. This backbone inserts a DNA strand 
that is only 3% (at most) lethal to general population. Imagine they had 
used other backbones, like the ones that created previous pandemics 
killing %15 to %20 of general population! These spikes on those 
backbones would kill young and working Americans in huge numbers. Do you 
see what kind of power this kind of weapon exerts? %20 of general 
population! Not the old, not the sick, and not the predisposed, but 
everybody!

And how you'd get away with deploying it? You could just claim "it is 
just a bad flu" as Trump kept saying and many of you of course believed. 
Or now that you may slightly be more educated on this, "a stronger 
version has mutated". So nobody  would even point fingers.

Do you want this kind of power in the hands of a 2nd world-country? What 
if they decide to reduce your population one day with it? Yes, your own 
population, not that of the enemy's!



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#824115

On 6/1/2021 5:51 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On 6/1/2021 5:31 AM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>> On 5/30/2021 11:59 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
>>> CIA of course was on to this fact since last year's May when European 
>>> scientists pointed to that! No question there. But their decision to 
>>> disclose that Wuhan incident must've only come after becoming certain 
>>> the two European scientists mean business! That in fact Europeans, 
>>> some of 1st-world status themselves, don't play the game according to 
>>> rules of a 2nd-world country's no matter how large or powerful. This, 
>>> takes the date of Europeans' true intention back at least to last 
>>> weekend, May 23rd.
>>
>>
>> This doesn't mean their decision was made right prior to May 23rd of 
>> course. There might've been some sort of agreement between CIA and the 
>> two scientists to postpone their announcement until election in USA 
>> was over. Or, perhaps the two waited to first see what USA was doing 
>> about developing the vaccine to it before making their decision about 
>> announcements.
>>
>> If the vaccines had proven not working (I'm still skeptical of their 
>> effectiveness) I don't think the two would announce their findings, 
>> cause there would be higher priority work to be conducted to find a 
>> true vaccine. But when signs here and there began to show that vaccine 
>> was working, the priority would now shift to go after who was 
>> responsible for this mess.
>>
> 
> Now let's step back and take another look at this fucked up situation 
> from a wider angle. Note that they used a backbone virus of bat origin 
> to place the engineered spikes on. This backbone inserts a DNA strand 
> that is only 3% (at most) lethal to general population. Imagine they had 
> used other backbones, like the ones that created previous pandemics 
> killing %15 to %20 of general population! These spikes on those 
> backbones would kill young and working Americans in huge numbers. Do you 
> see what kind of power this kind of weapon exerts? %20 of general 
> population! Not the old, not the sick, and not the predisposed, but 
> everybody!
> 
> And how you'd get away with deploying it? You could just claim "it is 
> just a bad flu" as Trump kept saying and many of you of course believed. 
> Or now that you may slightly be more educated on this, "a stronger 
> version has mutated". So nobody  would even point fingers.
> 
> Do you want this kind of power in the hands of a 2nd world-country? What 
> if they decide to reduce your population one day with it? Yes, your own 
> population, not that of the enemy's!
> 
> 
> 

Because I bet my boots on the fact that they will sense less danger 
coming from you cro-magnons citizens of their country than from the 
enemy's modern men. You may be the eventual target.

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