Re: The only way

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From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>MM
>"
>>Or do you say they don't move symmetrically? 

>Who says they even move? Again, you're mistakenly trying to apply your 
>macroscopic experiences to a quantum mechanical system. "

>What makes an orbital "filled", according to you
>and QM?

Physics, specifically the Schrodinger Wave Equations, create states that
the electron is allowed to exist in.  All other states are disallowed.

Fermions follow a rule that no two fermions are allowed to be in exactly
the same state.  So, when there is an electron in every single possible
state in an orbital, no other electron can be in that orbital, because
in order to do so, it would have to be in exactly the same state as
another electron. In other words, the orbital is "filled".

If you combine the wave equations of two fermions in exactly the same
state, the combined wave equation is zero everywhere.  Meaning it's
not allowed to exist.

Notice that I did not have to use the word "move" or a similar word
in any of this.

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                Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-30 22:03 +0000
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                Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-31 15:07 +0000
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                Re: The only way Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 11:37 -0500
                get out of the fryingpan! noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 23:02 -0700
                get out of the fryingpan! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 07:17 -0700
                Re: get out of the fryingpan! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 09:57 -0500
                get out of the fryingpan! HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 08:58 -0700
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          Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 15:10 +0000
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          Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 14:58 +0000
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            Re: The only way Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 10:46 -0500
            Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-28 16:30 +0000
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                Re: The only way Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 17:38 -0700
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                Re: The only way john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 07:48 -0700
                Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-29 15:38 +0000
                Re: The only way john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 09:10 -0700
                Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-29 19:09 +0000
                Re: The only way Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 15:08 -0500
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                Re: The only way john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 13:42 -0700
                Re: The only way Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 15:57 -0500
                dimers don't do this noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: The only way moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-03-29 21:47 +0000
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