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| From | Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.usage.english, sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: The antics of thermodynamics, the depravity of relativity, the bunkum of quantum |
| Date | 2025-03-12 11:56 -0700 |
| Organization | Dis One |
| Message-ID | <mn.62cc7e93bfd2a149.127094@snitoo> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
Lo, on the 3/11/2025, jerryfriedman did proclaim ...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 11:47:06 +0000, Snidely wrote:
>
>> Peter Moylan blurted out:
>>> On 11/03/25 15:05, Snidely wrote:
>>>> Thus spake Peter Moylan:
>>>>
>>>>> At the centre of the earth, you also have to taken into account the
>>>>> radially directed non-gravitational force that comes from the
>>>>> weight of all the rocks (and so on) above your head.
>>>>
>>>> Say what? "non-graviational" from "weight"?
>>>
>>> Perhaps I should have phrased that better. Consider a hypothetical cave
>>> explorer at a distance r from the centre of the earth. The gravitational
>>> force experienced by that person, i.e. that person's weight, is that due
>>> to the sphere of radius r below him. The gravitational attraction
>>> between the person and the earth is not affected by that part of the
>>> earth at greater radii.
>>
>> No, because the gravitational attraction between the person and the
>> earth is the /vector/ sum of the attraction between each part of the
>> person and each part of the earth, and some of those parts of the earth
>> are in the opposite direction of the ones below the person (and many of
>> in oblique direction).
> ..
>
> Peter's right. What cancels are the forces on the
> person from all parts of the Earth at greater radii
> than the person. The weight of the person is due
> only to the part of the Earth whose distance from
> the center is less than the person's.
>
> This is much more easily proved by Gauss's Law
> (which applies to gravitation as well as to
> electrostatids) than by integrating those force
> vectors.
I don't think I'm disagreeing with that. You're just completing an
answer I only started. The effect I describe results in the outer
shell cancelling itself out, as in the more complete answer. Gauss's
Law [1] is a long time in my past, and probably pushed out by learning
a fistful of programming languages and by not having reminders of it.
What I was reacting to is probably a misunderstanding of Peter, as my
ear heard what he said suggesting that the individual sneaking inside
that outer shell would feel that same weight as on the surface, but I
probably should have read his post a third time.
/dps
--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"
" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm
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