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| From | bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) |
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| Subject | Re: Arindam Banerjee's peer-reviewed 2013 paper |
| Date | 2024-12-09 10:28 +0000 |
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Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun. Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe School of Electrical and Computer Engineering Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology Melbourne, Australia Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or projectile does not move. This appears to be a direct violation of Newton’s Third Law of Motion, and has been mentioned as being such by the experimenters. This paper proposes computer simulation exercises and a new, simple, comprehensive and conclusive experiment to test the nature of recoil for the dynamic case, where the armature does move in a model rail gun. The outcome of such experiments will either show a definite, visible and repeatable violation of Newton’s Third Law of Motion; or solidify the accepted physics theories and obtain new insights into the nature of recoil from rail guns as a closed system including the power source. Index Terms—recoil, railgun, matter, energy, force, Newton, Maxwell, Lorentz, Ampere, Coulomb I. INTRODUCTION Rail guns are an important technology for the future as they have many operational advantages such as no bulky and dangerous explosives with finite shelf life, very high bullet velocities, and can derive their energy from standard energy systems often found on large equipment such as ships and tanks. Rail guns have been constructed that project 17Kg masses exceeding Mach 7 as an exit velocity and higher speeds may be possible [1]. By 2025 it is expected that the US navy will be equipped with rail guns [2]. A range of potential commercial applications (notably in space, mining and civil engineering) could take advantage of new rail gun technology. Essentially a rail gun is composed of two parallel conducting rails. A large current is passed through them via a sliding short circuit component which is the armature (the projectile or bullet) that accelerates very fast in a field whose magnitude is proportional to the square of the current. (Figure 1) There remains considerable controversy as regards the nature or reason for recoil on the rail gun and this needs thorough investigation to ensure the rail gun design including its mechanical mounting options is optimized. Work on static-armature model rail guns, where the armature is held fixed appears to detect no recoil force on the breech or on the rails; apparently contradicting fundamental physical laws. There has been no reported dynamic testing of rail guns to measure the recoil thus leaving a considerable hole in the body of knowledge. Following the thorough experimental work done by Schroder [3] which was followed up by Putnam [4], there seems no reason to doubt that there is only around 1% of the predicted mechanical reaction directed oppositely to the action force on the static armature in the pendulum-suspended model rail gun. However, it seems premature to claim that Newtonian laws of motion have been violated in this instance. The static tests were concerned simply with current in the rails and the armature; the conducting leads that carry the same current as the rails, along with the battery power source, that together with the rails and armature form the total current loop, have not been included in the experiment to find the location of the ultimate reaction. The reaction from the force on the armature could be present in the connection leads and the battery, so from the overall system point of view the proposed invalidity of the Newtonian laws of motion is debatable. There is a clear need for dynamic testing of a model rail gun that involves the entire current loop being investigated as a closed system. This could not only lead to the resolution of the above mentioned issue, but also provide definite answers to old controversies regarding the mechanical impact of electromagnetic fields upon current carrying conductors [5]. In the past this sort of approach was considered impractical [3],[6]. II. THE ELECTRODYNAMICS INVOLVED IN RAIL GUNS The Newtonian thinking relating to every action having an equal and opposite reaction is valid in electrostatics, and is the basis of Coulomb’s law for the force of attraction and repulsion of static charges. The basic equations below are discussed in text books [7],[8]. Graneau [5] deals in detail with the conflicting ideas in Newtonian and the later Maxwellian electrodynamics. F = q1q2r/(4πε0r2)….. (1) F is the vector force of attraction or repulsion between charges q1 and q2 separated by distance r in a vacuum, and r is the unit distance vector between the charges. This thinking ultimately depends upon the action-at-a-distance principle, which is also the prevalent basis of understanding gravitational forces. With moving charges in a conductor, that is to say, with a current, the Oersted-Ampere’s force equation for parallel conductors carrying currents being attracted or repelled became, effectively, an extension of Coulomb’s law. Thus, there was no violation of Newtonian principles. It was only when the Maxwellian concept of the electromagnetic field behaving as the means of conduction of energy from source to sink with the speed of light became prevalent, that the notion of a force acting upon a charged body without any reaction directly measurable, came to be seen as an apparent violation of Newtonian principles. Resulting from Maxwell’s work on the electromagnetic field theory of energy propagation at the speed of light, and elaborated upon by Grassman, Lorentz [9] and Einstein, is the Lorentz equation for finding the force upon a charged mass in an electromagnetic field, given by: F = q(E + v× B) …… (2) Here, F is the Lorentz force on the conductor in newtons, q is the coulomb charge in the conductor, E is the electric field as volts per meter, and v x B is the vector cross product of the charged particles’ average velocity in meters per second in the conductor with the local magnetic field expressed in teslas. While there is a force on the charged particle the equations do not predict any force on any other object. This would appear to violate the concept of an equal and opposite reaction; Newton's third law. The work of Graneau [5] clearly shows the heavy impact of Amperian equal-and-opposite forces at the junction of the armature and the rail, involving buckling of the rails with high currents. On the other hand, the work of Schroeder demonstrates very little mechanical reaction against the electromagnetic force on the armature directed to the rails, which suggests that the Newtonian concepts of equal and opposite reaction are being violated and perhaps Lorentz forces are at work. Graneau [8] mentions that energy must be “flying out” of the battery or electrical energy source, and that the mechanical reaction should ultimately be found around the source and the leads. He quotes Feynman: “So our “crazy” theory says that the electrons are getting their energy to generate heat because of the energy flowing into the wire from the field outside” [10]. III. RAILGUN RECOIL: SIMULATION APPROACHES It should be possible with detailed finite element modeling to predict the outcome of static and dynamic performance in terms of forces and exit velocity taking into account the entire system along with its geometry. When matched with experimental results, they should go a long way to reconcile these contradictory approaches in electrodynamics. We present below our approaches for such modeling and experimentation. Earlier and more theoretical approaches to the issue have been made by Hodge et al and Galanin et al [11],[12]. These studies are complex but they have not lead to any experimental verification. There is a clear need for a straightforward theoretical approach, as clear and simple as possible, that will be tested by experiment.
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Re: Arindam Banerjee's peer-reviewed 2013 paper Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-12-06 17:05 -0800
Re: Arindam Banerjee's peer-reviewed 2013 paper David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> - 2024-12-08 14:03 -0500
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Re: Arindam Banerjee's peer-reviewed 2013 paper Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2024-12-09 07:03 -0800
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