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Re: Did Frodo Repeat Himself?

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In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 05:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws>
> wrote:
> 
>>In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 21:40:16 -0000 (UTC), "O. Sharp" <ohh@panix.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> quotes and asks:
>>>>>>>       "'Yes,'said Frodo.'...now all is over.
>>>>>>>       I am glad you are here with me.Here at
>>>>>>>       the end of all things,Sam.'"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>       "'I am glad that you are here with me,'
>>>>>>>       said Frodo.'Here at the end of all things,
>>>>>>>       Sam.'"
>>>>[...]
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not have any pre-1966 "First Edition" copies,but my oldest
>>>>> Ballantine and HMCo Second Editions both have the discrepancy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did Hammond & Scull flag this in their work?
>>>>
>>>>The First Edition has the same discrepancy for "that", and Hammond and 
>>>>Scull's _Reader's Companion_ makes no note of it. In fact that line of 
>>>>Frodo's (or those lines, if you prefer) doesn't even rate a mention in 
>>>>_HoME IX_, even though it includes a reference to a plot outline where 
>>>>Frodo was still named "Bingo". I guess _nobody_ wanted to point it out 
>>>>before now.  :)
>>> 
>>> Or perhaps everybody else was sane enough to recognize that the two
>>> situations produced similar thoughts.
>>
>>So you believe it was two different situations and lines
>>rather than the same line chronicled differently?
> 
> It's been too long since I read the book to be clear.
> 
> But my memory does suggest that they occur in very different contexts.
> With the same Hobbit reacting to similar psychological states the same
> way.
> 
> But, if you prefer the path of the Higher Criticism, feel free. It can
> do no harm, for it is ultimately pointless.

Both of them refer to Frodo speaking to Sam on the slopes of Orodruin
after the collapse of Barad-dur...there would not be confusion over whether
this is a repetition of the exact same speech if there were any clear
distinction.

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    Re: Did Frodo Repeat Himself? Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> - 2026-01-03 19:32 +0000
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        Re: Did Frodo Repeat Himself? Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-01-05 08:11 -0800
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              Re: Did Frodo Repeat Himself? Louis Epstein <le@lekno.ws> - 2026-01-07 01:30 +0000
                Re: Did Frodo Repeat Himself? Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> - 2026-01-07 08:49 -0800
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