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Re: Running Microsoft Edge from script

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Thomas,

> Yeah they do in fact support VBScript in Edge Chromium.

How old is Edge Chromium ?   And how old is the post you responded to ?

Do I need to say more ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser




"Thomas Boomer" <amarsingh.tom@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 7:11:24 AM UTC-6, Mayayana wrote:
>> "JJ" <jj4p...@vfemail.net> wrote
>> | EdgeHTML as it is now is similar like WebKit, and Chakra is similar to 
>> V8.
>> | V8 and WebKit are widely used for web application development 
>> frameworks.
>> | IOTW, HTA may no longer be a web based application for systems. But 
>> rather
>> | normal application.
>> |
>> HTA never was web-based. One of the few requirements
>> is that it must be running locally. "Web applications" are a
>> different animal -- essentially highly interactive webpages
>> built almost entirely of javascript. Really not webpages at all.
>> Those only use what people like to pretend is safe scripting.
>> They are designed to be powerful in terms of visitor tracking,
>> interactivity and back-end connection. HTAs are a UI for
>> Windows programming. The only commonality is the heavy use
>> of scripting in an HTML-rendering window.
>> | But let's not forget the special mode to run the HTA files, here. That
>> mode
>> | may actually expose VBScript and ActiveX, in order to keep 
>> compatibility.
>> | What people are most complains about is the ActiveX in the web browser.
>> They
>> | don't complain about (or don't even aware of) ActiveX in HTA. HTA may
>> infact
>> | be unaffected by Edge.
>> Yes. They stripped down IE and rebuilt it to make
>> Edge as a "normal" web browser. It no longer has
>> access to VBS, ActiveX, BHOs, or any of the Explorer
>> tie-in. That's radical. In a sense it's a return to the
>> pre-Active Desktop IE.
>>
>> I don't know how many people are aware of the
>> IE/Explorer tie-in, but it's very extensive. I once wrote
>> an Explorer Bar shell extension. (The panel on the left in
>> folder windows.) It can't be separated from IE. One
>> can only filter IE-related messages. Or conversely, if
>> writing the Bar for IE one gets the tie-in to folder
>> windows. And the listview object in a folder window
>> is still an InternetExplorer object.
>> I've also written a mime filter. With just a couple of
>> Registry entries one gets complete control over IE
>> webpages *before* IE gets them.
>> Then there are common functions like URLDownloadToFile.
>> Many programmers use that to download files, but it's
>> actually an IE wrapper.
>>
>> IE is part of the Windows API in many ways. MS did
>> that deliberately to 1) beat out Netscape and 2) make
>> a case in court that they couldn't separate IE from
>> Windows. They didn't just make a browser to compete
>> with Netscape. They molded an OS to compete with
>> Netscape. Adding ActiveX and COM scripting worked out
>> so well that they kept going. That single addition of
>> CreateObject (or ActiveXObject) made all the difference.
>> When security became a concern they came up with
>> HTAs so that IE itself could be made more secure. In a
>> sense, the HTA invention was the first fork, but only
>> a partial one. Shdocvw.dll was wrapped by mshta.exe for
>> HTAs and by iexplore.exe for IE.
>>
>> Edge is a sandboxed version meant to compete with
>> other browsers and be standards-compatible. It makes
>> sense. They can't make a safe browser without separating
>> it from Windows. But of course there is the question
>> of whether it's sufficiently separated from Windows.
>> Either way, it's sterile for scripting purposes.
>>
>> Which means the future of HTAs has nothing to do
>> with Edge, one way or the other. It just depends on
>> whether MS feels they need to keep supporting
>> corporate scripting, which means keeping IE around.
>>
>> Even now, IE11 can use compatibility mode to bring
>> back normal IE functionality like VBS. Edge can't. It
>> doesn't have that functionality at all. The Edge
>> userAgent is actually spoofed to mention Chrome,
>> Safari and Gecko, while removing "MSIE". They want
>> webpage designers to treat it like the other major
>> browsers.
>>
>> I think what they did makes a lot of sense. IE can
>> now be the scripting UI for Windows software. The
>> only problem is that they still insist on trying to use
>> their browser for customer lock-in. They're still being
>> sleazy. Edge is still tied to Windows and it's being
>> designed for "consumer" use, with emphasis on things
>> like push notifications AKA ad subscriptions.
>> A new, sleazy browser that can only work on 25% of
>> Windows computers and can't run at all on Mac or
>> Linux is not a browser. It's a crippled specialty program.
>> A Win10 "phone app". On my own site I check for
>> IE11 and Edge. For visitors using IE11 I show a message
>> saying they need to enable compat mode. For visitors
>> using Edge I show a message that they'll need to use
>> *any* other browser. It's bad enough that I need special
>> webpages just for IE. I'm not about to buy Win10 and
>> start testing a 3rd set of pages for a new browser
>> used by just a few people. It's unfortunate that MS don't
>> just make a real browser. They're so good at making
>> software. It's only the sleaze factor that messes it up.
>> I don't doubt that if they went about it with honesty
>> and decency, just trying to make a good browser to
>> serve the customer as well as possible, they could make
>> the best and most innovative browser, and that they
>> could do it without any sneaky leveraging of Windows.
> Yeah they do in fact support VBScript in Edge Chromium. 

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