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On Sun, Apr 05, 2026 at 04:32:54PM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Adrian Bunk [05/Apr  4:17pm +03] wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 05, 2026 at 12:56:25PM +0100, Sean Whitton wrote:
> >> Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [05/Apr  7:45am -04] wrote:
> >> > "9. Lead discussions amongst Developers.
> >> >
> >> > The Project Leader should attempt to participate in discussions amongst the
> >> > Developers in a helpful way which seeks to bring the discussion to bear on the
> >> > key issues at hand. The Project Leader should not use the Leadership position
> >> > to promote their own personal views."
> >> >
> >> > I still don't see anything close to "the DPL is meant to provide technical
> >> > leadership" in the above section. I'm not English native and might be missing
> >> > something?
> >>
> >> To me, providing leadership includes providing technical leadership,
> >> because we are primarily a technical project.  Especially so back when
> >> the constitution was written.  And "lead discussions" means "provide
> >> leadership".
> >
> > It does not, when you also read the next line of our constitution.
> >
> > The DPL does not have the power to make technical decisions,
> > this is a power of the Technical Committee.
> >
> > "The Project Leader should not use the Leadership position to promote
> >  their own personal views."
> > This even prohibits the DPL from pushing a technical discussion into
> > a certain direction.
> >
> > "Lead discussions amongst Developers" in our constitution means
> > moderating/mediating.
> 
> I don't think we disagree.
> 
> To my mind, the notion of leadership does not inherently involve
> decision-making power.

When you are asking for the DPL to "provide technical leadership" and 
"leading across all aspects of the project", most people will read it
as you requesting more decision-making power for the DPL.

It is still not clear to me what concrete changes you want with the 
ambiguous abstract word "leadership".
Replace the TC with DPL decisions?
The DPL should personally moderate mailing list discussions?
Or anything else?

When you write "technical leadership" I think of a CTO,
but our CTO is the chair of the TC and the DPL is our CEO.

cu
Adrian

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    Re: Q: Technical Visions Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2026-04-03 11:20 +0200
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          Re: Q: Technical Visions Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2026-04-05 13:50 +0200
            Re: Q: Technical Visions Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2026-04-05 14:00 +0200
              Re: Q: Technical Visions Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago@debian.org> - 2026-04-05 14:10 +0200
              Re: Q: Technical Visions Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2026-04-05 15:40 +0200
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