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Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions...

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On 17261 March 1977, Gunnar Wolf wrote:

> 1. Nobody really opposes what is being proposed.

The opposition is against technical details and the refusal to adjust.
Not against the actual thing.

> 4. I understand Sean (and Ian, I pressume) are pushing this GR to
>    solve a stalemate while negotiating with ftp-masters regarding
>    implementation details, or something like that. In such case, I
>    would have expected an ftp-master to explain what is so difficult
>    in accepting the new proposed tool/workflow.

I just tried to, in another mail in a new subthread. Including that the
GR proposal took me by surprise, as the last discussion *I* can find is
long ago.

>    In other words: Is there and underlying controversy? Or is it just
>    we enjoy poking each other?

Nah, we just don't enjoy getting our points ignored when asked and then
years later a hammer to overwrite.

> This is one of the mails that actually point nowhere, and I fear are
> not as constructive... I sat a bit with it half-written, pondering
> whether to send it or to delete it. I am deciding to send it because
> the interaction patterns we are seeing are quite pathological. I'm
> sending this mail as a call, not only not to tell the other party to
> fsck off some filesystems, but to stop finger-pointing and
> second-guessing.

There *IMO* was one subthread going a particular bad way, where, even
after getting pointed out multiple times that the taken conclusion was
*WRONG*, text still went the wrong way, but the rest of it I found quite
useful/OK. Many of them mails gave me more insight into t2u and ideas
around it.

-- 
bye, Joerg

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Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2024-06-15 07:50 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2024-06-15 09:10 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2024-06-15 10:00 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2024-06-15 11:20 +0200
    Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-06-17 13:30 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2024-06-15 18:30 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2024-06-16 06:40 +0200
  Re: Eternally paradigmatic Debian discussions... Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-06-17 13:30 +0200

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