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Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL)

From Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL)
Date 2026-02-14 18:40 +0100
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Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> writes:

> The uploader information remains very valuble. A key problem is that
> there often no information on who is part of a team, assseing if a team
> is functioning well is often hard, whether all (to us unknown) team
> members are already gone -- if the team is actually still teaming…

> Teams a very hard to assess for the MIA team.  I wrote (smaller) teams
> emails as part of MIA work but often did not received any response.
> Being able to adress a *human* is IMHO much more promising of getting
> results - as often they feel more resonsible for their package - than
> talking to a team. 

> Hunting information about no longer active persons is already taking a
> lot of energy and time. Any additional friction in accessing accurate
> information will increases that burden.

It sounds like this is the root of the issue for you: You rely on
Uploaders to have a sense of who is still active in Debian as part of a
packaging team, and you also use it to find a human contact point to ask
about status.

Also, presumably you're pretty busy and may not have the time to develop
new tools.

Is there perhaps something others can do to help you with other sources of
data? The first thing that occurred to me when reading this is that in a
world where team maintenance is increasingly happening on Salsa, Salsa
activity might be a better metric for project activity than uploads or
presence in Uploaders. That would also capture people who do a lot of
merge requests and reviews but don't prepare final uploads. I have no idea
how common that is, but it seems at least plausible.

Maybe there's some way for someone else to help you pull that data from
Salsa and add it as an input to your process? And then teams that work in
Salsa and can provide that activity information could drop the Uploaders
field because they're providing you with better information?

The contact point problem remains, of course. Personally, I'd love for
packaging teams to publish a list of individual people who are points of
contact, but I realize that's just one more thing to keep up to date.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)              <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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  Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL) Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2026-02-05 15:50 +0100
  Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2026-02-05 16:20 +0100
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      Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2026-02-05 18:30 +0100
        Re: unmaintained packages hidden by team maintenance (was Re: Bits from the DPL) Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2026-02-05 19:30 +0100
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