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Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework?

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Quoting nick black (2026-04-28 10:12:46)
> Matthias Geiger left as an exercise for the reader:
> > Unfortunately the main devs of both hyprland and omarchy are holding
> > views/values very detrimental to Debian, and the surrounding community does
> > not care to be supporting / tolerating those.
> 
> it seems very odd to me that we're casting aspersions on an 
> organization for supporting a project which *we package and 
> ship* (and many people, myself included, use). i hardly find 
> that a coherent position. if this is to be some litmus, let's 
> start with removing the software from the debian archives (which, again,
> please don't; it's my compositor of choice).

If we had to make a public statement about why Debian is okay with shipping
hyprland I doubt that such a statement would include that we are welcoming
those people who want to see some of our members gone or would be fine with
harassment and trolling. When Framework was asked about a clarification about
*why* they are okay with funding hyprland they could've said that they stand
for diversity and respectful interaction and that they do explicitly *not*
endorse what some important figures in the hyprland community are known for.
But that's not what they did. Instead, they doubled down and explained that
they follow the "big tent" approach, meaning that they even invite those people
who want to see others out. [1]

I don't like Framework for supporting hyprland because of the people behind
that software. But I like them even less for then doubling down and even being
explicitly welcoming to people who we would very likely and for good reason not
tolerate as part of the Debian project. And *that* would be my main argument
against Debian collaborating with them. That's what I meant in my other mail
when I said:

> Framework made it very clear that their tent is big enough for even those
> people who would rather see this world be less diverse.

Now this thread has the link to the relevant forum post of theirs.

Thanks!

cheers, josch

[1] https://community.frame.work/t/75986/2

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Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Matthias Geiger <werdahias@riseup.net> - 2026-04-27 18:30 +0200
  Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? disaster2life <disaster2life@autistici.org> - 2026-04-27 19:40 +0200
    Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Matthias Geiger <werdahias@riseup.net> - 2026-04-27 22:20 +0200
      Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? nick black <dankamongmen@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 11:00 +0200
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          Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2026-04-28 15:50 +0200
        Re: Debian Certified Laptops -- Possibility of collaborating with Framework? Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2026-04-29 21:00 +0200
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