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Source distribution is for building from source (was: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs)

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Fred Drake <fred@fdrake.net> writes:

> My reaction is really about the comment that source packages are in
> PyPI "for pip". You definitely understand that it's broader than that,
> but careful language is important to avoid confusing someone new,
> leading to poor understanding across the community.
>
> Some of us still see pip as a youngling upstart.  :-)

And regardless of Pip's age, source distributions are definitely of
interest beyond that narrow use case.

Not everything in the VCS repository belongs in the Python source
distribution, and publishing the source distribution at PyPI signals
“this is the source for the purposes of building the distribution”.

The larger point is: Getting the source, building from source, and
installing the result — are all distinct steps that each need to be
considered.

The source distribution may also be a viable input for Pip, but that is
not its only widespread use. It remains the correct input for “build
from source”.

> Which is why I don't consider slavish use of "git archive" (or similar
> from some other VCS) to be valuable.

+1. The VCS is for potential developers of the code bse. The source
distribution is for people who want to build from source. Those are
always distinct use cases.

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Ben Finney

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Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Edward Betts <edward@4angle.com> - 2016-04-21 16:50 +0200
  Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2016-04-21 17:00 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2016-04-21 17:30 +0200
      Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2016-04-21 19:10 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2016-04-21 19:40 +0200
  Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Tristan Seligmann <mithrandi@mithrandi.net> - 2016-04-21 17:20 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Fred Drake <fred@fdrake.net> - 2016-04-21 17:30 +0200
      Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Ian Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 18:10 +0200
        Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Fred Drake <fred@fdrake.net> - 2016-04-21 18:20 +0200
          Source distribution is for building from source (was: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs) Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-04-22 01:10 +0200
      Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2016-04-21 19:20 +0200
        Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Fred Drake <fdrake@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 20:10 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2016-04-21 19:40 +0200
      Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Tristan Seligmann <mithrandi@mithrandi.net> - 2016-04-22 07:20 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2016-04-22 12:10 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2016-04-22 12:10 +0200
  Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Edward Betts <edward@4angle.com> - 2016-04-22 12:50 +0200
    Re: Test suite in github but missing from pypi tarballs Edward Betts <edward@4angle.com> - 2016-04-23 12:40 +0200

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