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Re: Python Policy

From	Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org>
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Subject	Re: Python Policy
Date	2015-10-20 16:50 +0200
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On Oct 20, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:

>should we also document that we're not OpenStack Packaging Team?

Or zope-packaging? <wink>.  Agreed that there are different teams here, but I
am hoping that we can do some consolidation.  E.g. I posted on the zope list
that I'd like to pull those packages into DPMT.  I heard *zero* responses, so
I'm honestly not sure there's still anybody who cares about that team.

(I'll post on the wider debian lists to follow up, but I will take silence as
assent at some point.)

>there is one HUGE difference, one is about packaging MODULES and the
>other one is packaging APPLICATIONS. One provides python-, python3-
>and/or pypy- packages, the other cannot do that.

Although there is often overlap.  Some packages intentionally provide both
libraries and applications.  These usually end up in DPMT, which I think is
fine.

I also think it would be fine to *eventually* merge the two teams.  I suspect
there isn't really much benefit to keeping them separate and a lot of
unnecessary cost.  Is there anybody on PAPT who doesn't want to be on DPMT?
Is there any reason why team policy couldn't be expanded to describe the few
differences between packaging libraries and pure-applications?

>> There are packages that do not provide public modules that are aimed at
>> developers. I imagine there are also packages that are end user
>> applications that do provide public modules, for end user
>> programming. These end user's may require the first group of packages
>> aimed at developers too.
>
>if something installs into dist-packages, it should (I'd make it a
>"must", but it's just me) provide python-/python3-/pypy- binary
>package. Python application should not (again, "must" is much better
>here IMO) pollute global Python namespace

I'm not sure I'd go as far as MUST, but aside from that, there's no inherent
reason IMHO why these two policies and procedures couldn't co-exist within the
same team.

Cheers,
-Barry

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Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-19 19:40 +0200
  Re: Python Policy Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2015-10-19 20:50 +0200
  Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-19 21:10 +0200
    Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-19 21:30 +0200
      Re: Python Policy Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-10-19 21:40 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-19 21:50 +0200
    Re: Python Policy Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 00:30 +0200
      Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 00:40 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 16:50 +0200
          Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 17:10 +0200
    Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 16:40 +0200
      Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 17:00 +0200
  Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-19 23:30 +0200
    Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 16:30 +0200
      Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 17:20 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 22:20 +0200
    Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 23:00 +0200
      Re: Python Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 23:10 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-10-21 02:20 +0200
          Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 02:50 +0200
          Re: Python Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 10:00 +0200
            Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 16:00 +0200
              Re: Python Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 11:30 +0200
                Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 11:40 +0200
                Re: DPMT Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 12:30 +0200
      Re: Python Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 23:40 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 03:00 +0200
          Re: Python Policy Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 10:40 +0200
            Re: Python Policy Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au> - 2015-10-21 11:50 +0200
              PyPI wheels (was Re: Python Policy) Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 16:00 +0200
                Re: PyPI wheels (was Re: Python Policy) Ian Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 16:50 +0200
                Re: PyPI wheels (was Re: Python Policy) Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> - 2015-10-21 17:50 +0200
            Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 15:50 +0200
          Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 14:10 +0200
            Re: DPMT Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 15:50 +0200
              Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-21 16:20 +0200
                Re: DPMT Policy Ben Finney <ben+debian@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-10-21 23:40 +0200
                Re: DPMT Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 01:00 +0200
      Re: Python Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 11:20 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-23 01:40 +0200
      Re: Python Policy IOhannes m zmölnig (Debian/GNU)  <umlaeute@debian.org> - 2015-10-22 11:20 +0200
        Re: Python Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-23 01:40 +0200
  Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 00:00 +0200
    Re: DPMT Policy Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 00:30 +0200
    Re: DPMT Policy Barry Warsaw <barry@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 16:10 +0200
      Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 17:10 +0200
        Re: DPMT Policy Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 23:40 +0200
  Re: Python Policy Brian May <bam@debian.org> - 2015-10-20 00:00 +0200

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