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  Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not? Hideki Yamane <henrich@iijmio-mail.jp> - 2019-06-16 16:00 +0200
    Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not? Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2019-06-16 18:10 +0200
      Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not? Hideki Yamane <henrich@iijmio-mail.jp> - 2019-06-16 19:30 +0200
      Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster? Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2019-08-28 11:00 +0200
        Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-08-28 12:00 +0200
          Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster? Fredrik Jonson <fredrik@jonson.org> - 2019-09-05 07:40 +0200
            Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster? Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-09-05 16:10 +0200
              Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster? Thorsten Glaser <tg@debian.org> - 2019-09-11 00:00 +0200

#11273 — Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not?

Hi,

 I'm checking buster release note and find that it says both OpenJDK8
 and 11 exists in buster.
 https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html#newdistro

 But as https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openjdk-8 , it doesn't exist in
 testing (buster). Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not?

-- 
Hideki Yamane <henrich@iijmio-mail.jp>

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#11275

Le 16/06/2019 à 15:21, Hideki Yamane a écrit :

>  I'm checking buster release note and find that it says both OpenJDK8
>  and 11 exists in buster.
>  https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.html#newdistro
> 
>  But as https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openjdk-8 , it doesn't exist in
>  testing (buster). Will openjdk-8 go into buster or not?

No openjdk-8 won't go into Buster. I'll try to upload it as a backport
though because it's still fairly popular. I plan to update the release
notes this week.

Emmanuel Bourg

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#11276

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:01:05 +0200
Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> wrote:
> No openjdk-8 won't go into Buster. I'll try to upload it as a backport
> though because it's still fairly popular. I plan to update the release
> notes this week.

 Okay, thanks for clarify.


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#11340 — Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster?

Hi all,

In the beginning of the summer there were discussions of backporting
openjdk-8 to buster/stable once the release dust had settled.

Are there any update on those intentions?

Is there anything I and other users/non-maintainers can do to help?

Of course I can use adoptopenjdk binaries, but it is a great convenience
to be able to update via apt.

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Fredrik Jonson

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#11341 — Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster?

On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, Fredrik Jonson wrote:

> In the beginning of the summer there were discussions of backporting
> openjdk-8 to buster/stable once the release dust had settled.

That would mean shipping bullseye with OpenJDK 8 as well,
which is kinda defeated by the justification to not ship
it with buster.

> Of course I can use adoptopenjdk binaries, but it is a great convenience
> to be able to update via apt.

You can most likely use the binaries from sid (at least
for a while until library dependencies go up) or from
stretch-security (with stretch’s libraries for those
that aren’t in buster).

Recompiling it is also easy enough. But there’s no place
in Debian to host those.

bye,
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#11363 — Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster?

On 2019-08-28 at 11:56, t.glaser@tarent.de wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2019, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> 
> > In the beginning of the summer there were discussions of backporting
> > openjdk-8 to buster/stable once the release dust had settled.
> 
> That would mean shipping bullseye with OpenJDK 8 as well,
> which is kinda defeated by the justification to not ship
> it with buster.

I was under the impression that a RC-bug for bullseye on the package, 
would inhibit automatic transition from testing to bullseye.

Anyway, I just noticed that adoptopenjdk has begun offering their openjdk 8
builds as debian packages in a package repository of their own. Which is
great, and completely meets my nice-to-have request without wasting the
precious time of the Debian Java Team.

So this followup is mostly a hint to others who might find this thread
in search of openjdk-8 packages for buster. Repo usage instructions are here:

https://adoptopenjdk.net/installation.html#linux-pkg

And, while I'm posting, a big thank you to everyone involved in Debian,
you're awesome! :)

-- 
Fredrik Jonson

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#11364 — Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster?

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019, Fredrik Jonson wrote:

> I was under the impression that a RC-bug for bullseye on the package,
> would inhibit automatic transition from testing to bullseye.

Currently, testing == bullseye, so this sentence makes no sense.

> Anyway, I just noticed that adoptopenjdk has begun offering their openjdk 8
> builds as debian packages in a package repository of their own. Which is
> great, and completely meets my nice-to-have request without wasting the
> precious time of the Debian Java Team.

It’s not about time, it’s about Debian’s security guarantee.
If something ships in a stable release (e.g. buster), there
will be security support for it for multiple years, even if
upstream won’t support it any more — which makes us, hope‐
fully understandably, wary of shipping too much old software
in new stable releases (Debian is not a software museum).

That being said, I’d prefer a “Nachnutzung” (post-market?)
repository, in which I could build official-enough packages
of stuff not going to shipped later, for those needing it,
without the implied security warranties and all that, where
the packages are then built in the target distribution (can
be jessie, stretch and bullseye, in my case, since this kind
of porting goes back and forth) on all architectures, so the
shlib:Depends match.

But there isn’t such a thing in Debian currently; I provide
some stuff in my personal APT repository on my own server,
and packages coming from a DD are usually better than .deb
format files, produced Goddess knows how, from elseplace.

(Incidentally, for $orkplace (see the signature), I’ll need
to provide openjdk-8 builds for precise, trusty, xenial¹,
wheezy, jessie anyway, and was considering putting² those
into my repository already, so I’m likely to add buster,
as there appears to be interest³ from users.)⁴

① Doko provides official builds for xenial sometimes, and
  the current openjdk-8 is already provided, so no need,
  it’s on my list though.

② The disc space and network traffic might become an issue
  though, as those packages are *huge*. Even if I’m only
  building for i386, amd64 and (for sid, occasionally) m68k
  and/or x32… although… not OpenJDK.

③ https://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/debidx.htm although the
  precise/trusty/xenial builds are in a Launchpad PPA of mine.

④ Thanks Doko for keeping the package so easily buildable
  on so many so old releases ☻

bye,
//mirabilos
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#11368 — Re: Will openjdk-8 go into buster?

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Dixi quod…

> some stuff in my personal APT repository on my own server,
> and packages coming from a DD are usually better than .deb
> format files, produced Goddess knows how, from elseplace.

Here we are: http://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/debidx.htm

Run “REPOKEY” (sha256 below) for SecureAPT:
 bfa75b572be43fcec9038d661fd497f5c08f8e2bb1e0340a044521b98895c95d

gl hf,
//mirabilos
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