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  Mailing list etiquette on debian-java Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-07-14 20:40 +0200
    Re: Mailing list etiquette on debian-java Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2017-07-14 21:00 +0200
      Re: Mailing list etiquette on debian-java George Bateman <georgebateman16@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 22:20 +0200
    RE: Mailing list etiquette on debian-java "Ingo Bauersachs" <ingo@jitsi.org> - 2017-07-15 00:50 +0200

#9800 — Mailing list etiquette on debian-java

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Hi,

It was pointed out to me by our Debian leader no less that I might have
hurt someone else's feelings or did use some unnecessary words which
might stop people from contributing to Debian.

Yesterday I wrote in response to Ingo's email:

"I recommend to file bug reports against affected packages because they
won't get lost and are always visible. It is probably to[sic] early for
a mass bug filing but if you already know solutions for specific Java 9
issues, don't hesitate to report them, e.g. with reportbug [1] or
directly via your favorite e-mail client (apparently Outlook, urgh)."

Note that I used the colloquial word "urgh" to express a feeling of
disgust.

@Ingo

First of all if you felt offended by these words, then I would like to
say that I am sorry. They were not meant to be serious but more with a
wink. I hope that some guy on a mailing list will not ever block you
from contributing to a far greater project.

@the two folks who contacted our Leader

May I suggest that you publicly voice your concerns on this list instead
of contacting our leader who then sends private emails to me? I believe
this would be more helpful and transparent.

Thank you

Markus

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#9801

> 
} May I suggest that we publicly voice our concerns on this list instead
> of contacting our leader who then sends private emails to me? I believe
> this would be more helpful and transparent.
> 

+1


Plus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle



Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven

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On 14 Jul 2017 19:56, "Geert Stappers" <stappers@stappers.nl> wrote:
>
> > } May I suggest that we publicly voice our concerns on this list instead
> > of contacting our leader who then sends private emails to me? I believe
> > this would be more helpful and transparent.
> >
>
> +1
>

-1.

Hello all! I've only posted to the list a couple of times but do enjoy
reading it.

The above discussion was obviously fairly harmless but I've seen a
technical mailman list descend into anarchy before when a similar issue was
discussed publicly. While privately emailing the list leader may have
seemed excessive, a message to the whole list can be a lot worse. Since
this issue was just querying a joke, probably the best response would have
been for people to email Markus directly? Either party can later talk to
the list or leader if they want.

Just my view, apologies if there are aspects I've misunderstood.

Best wishes,
George Bateman.

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> @Ingo
> 
> First of all if you felt offended by these words, then I would like to
> say that I am sorry. They were not meant to be serious but more with a
> wink. I hope that some guy on a mailing list will not ever block you
> from contributing to a far greater project.

No offense taken. I'm surprised such a comment hasn't come up earlier :-)

> Markus

Ingo

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