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Re: Debian package examples for Java software

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On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 09:49:44PM +0200, Mechtilde Stehmann wrote:
> Am 14.09.24 um 21:25 schrieb Peter Bittner:
> > > If you tell us what you want to package, we can tell you a good example
> > > out of more than 50.000 packages
> > 
> > I'm really looking for generic examples. My motivation is using a
> > standard, widespread convention or otherwise popular tooling for
> > deploying software (which - at work - is not open source). So that new
> > developers don't need to learn "the process". When you see a "debian"
> > folder in a repository you probably already guess that the project
> > will build a .deb package. When you see a .deb package you can easily
> > guess how it will be installed.
> > 
> > One of the softwares is a Java Web application (delivered to us as a
> > .jar and some accompanying files) that is deployed into a JBoss
> > application server preinstalled on the host. The other is actually not
> > even Java software, it's a bunch of shell scripts and two Python CLI
> > applications that are installed from an internal PyPI index. So, it's
> > all about copying files somewhere and performing installation
> > activities that are encapsulated in the .deb file.
> > 
> > > > location where it has write access. The scenario is, I have users that
> > > > must install the software on a managed machine. The system
> > > > administrators manage the operating system as such, the users install
> > > > and run their software in user space.
> > > 
> > > As far as I know NO WAY to do so.
> > 
> > Let me mention that for my use case it's sufficient that we assume
> > there are no dependencies, or that if we have unresolved dependencies
> > (e.g. most notably a JRE) the installation process aborts brutally.
> > 
> > Doing some research I found a few interesting discussions:
> > - https://askubuntu.com/questions/339/how-can-i-install-a-package-without-root-access
> > - https://askubuntu.com/questions/193695/installing-packages-into-local-directory
> > 
> > The two suggested solutions are using `--force-not-root` or simply
> > unpacking the .deb archive file:
> > 
> >      dpkg -i --force-not-root --root=$HOME package.deb
> >      ar p package.deb data.tar.xz | tar xJv --strip-components=2 -f -
> > 
> > The latter will certainly not run pre- or post-install scripts, which
> > is one of the reasons I want to do the packaging, though. (Encapsulate
> > the installation logic in the installation package itself!)
> > 
> > Now I would need a simple packaging setup to verify that those
> > commands actually work for my use case.
> > 
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> Then I think
> 
> https://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint.en.html
> 
> is a good starting point.
> 

I'm fairly sure that Peter demanded "Give me fish",
that he is not willing to learn how to fish.

I think it is a good thing to make Peter main stakeholder.
It will bring win-win.  (Moves away from win-loose  ( "win" meaning
getting benefits, "loose" spending resources )


Regarding the original question:
* Enjoy (and support that you can keep doing) `sudo apt install PACKAGE`
* Good luck with "userapt install PACKAGE"



Regards
Geert Stappers
-- 
Silence is hard to parse

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Debian package examples for Java software Peter Bittner <peter.bittner@gmx.net> - 2024-09-14 12:10 +0200
  Re: Debian package examples for Java software Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-09-14 15:30 +0200
    Re: Debian package examples for Java software Peter Bittner <peter.bittner@gmx.net> - 2024-09-14 18:10 +0200
      Re: Debian package examples for Java software Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-09-14 19:10 +0200
        Re: Debian package examples for Java software Peter Bittner <peter.bittner@gmx.net> - 2024-09-14 21:30 +0200
          Re: Debian package examples for Java software Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2024-09-14 22:00 +0200
            Re: Debian package examples for Java software Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2024-09-14 22:50 +0200
          Re: Debian package examples for Java software "Michael K. Edwards" <m.k.edwards@gmail.com> - 2024-09-14 23:30 +0200
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