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Re: Gradle packaging status update

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Am Samstag, dem 20.08.2022 um 18:27 +0200 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022, Phil Morrell wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, documenting my observations as of today because it's not looking
> > promising for bookworm.
> > 
> > * kotlin FTBFS because of changes to support openjdk 17 #1012214
> 
> If gradle depends on kotlin, it’s not eligible for stable anyway
> because kotlin currently depends on two unsupported JDKs that are
> available in unstable for bootstrapping and (old…‑)stable support
> but nothing else.

I agree, help with Kotlin would be really appreciated. At some point it started
to FTBFS and this should be the first point of investigation. After that we
should try to package a newer version that builds with and supports Java 17.

I'm making only slow progress with Gradle 6.x because of the long feedback loop
(changing something, rebuilding and testing takes forever) but the goal is
still to replace Grade 4. 

My conclusion so far is that Debian would be better off if we started to use
different build systems whenever possible. Most of the time it would be a
realistic task because many projects upload their artifacts to maven.org and we
could port those Gradle projects to Maven based projects. I have started to
work on a few projects and sometimes you could really just use javahelper to
build an artifact and in the end building from source is the only thing we
need.

Gradle might be a fantastic tool for visual and GUI driven developers and large
projects which also use it as a project management tool. In Debian we just need
something to build source code from the command line and Gradle is simply
overkill in this regard.

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Gradle packaging status update Phil Morrell <debian@emorrp1.name> - 2022-08-20 18:20 +0200
  Re: Gradle packaging status update Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2022-08-20 18:40 +0200
    Re: Gradle packaging status update Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2022-08-22 15:10 +0200
      Re: Gradle packaging status update Felix Natter <fnatter@gmx.net> - 2022-08-22 18:00 +0200
      Re: [Android-tools-devel] Gradle packaging status update Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at> - 2022-08-25 14:50 +0200
  Re: Bug#926714: Gradle packaging status update tony mancill <tmancill@debian.org> - 2022-08-20 20:00 +0200

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