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  Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-08-16 10:40 +0200
    Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Filippo Rusconi <lopippo@debian.org> - 2018-08-16 11:00 +0200
      Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-08-16 13:50 +0200
    Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-12-03 22:40 +0100
      Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2019-12-18 08:30 +0100
        Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-01-06 17:30 +0100
          Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-03-23 20:20 +0100
            Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2020-03-24 07:50 +0100
            Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2020-10-06 18:10 +0200
              Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2020-10-08 11:30 +0200
                Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2020-10-08 15:30 +0200
                Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2021-03-02 14:50 +0100
                  Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2021-03-06 18:00 +0100
                    Re: Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer Andreas Tille <andreas@fam-tille.de> - 2021-11-14 08:50 +0100

#58316 — Next attempt to add Blends to Debian installer

Hi,

to give some status information about how we can make Blends more
visible at installer stage:  Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre
and I had some discussion in DebCamp.  The conclusion was that adding
Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if
tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy.  We all agreed that
the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general.  It
could provide some menu item:

   "Select Blend"   (or rather some better text here!)

and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from.

For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that
needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is
something to test?)

Any comments / code contributions are welcome.

Kind regards

       Andreas.

PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete.

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#58317

Greetings, Andreas, and everybody,


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>Hi,
>
>to give some status information about how we can make Blends more
>visible at installer stage:  Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre
>and I had some discussion in DebCamp.  The conclusion was that adding
>Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if
>tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy.  We all agreed that
>the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general.  It
>could provide some menu item:
>
>   "Select Blend"   (or rather some better text here!)
>
>and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from.
>
>For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that
>needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is
>something to test?)
>
>Any comments / code contributions are welcome.
>

Please, add some small strophe to explain what a blend is, as I can tell that
this is not something widely known even to seasoned Debian users/admins (have
examples from research labs).

Also, when I installed debian-science and debichem last time, the process
downloaded such an amount of software that it almost filled my disk (which I was
not suspecting). Maybe, a rough indication of the used disk space in front of
each blend might be useful, in this respect.

Just my 2 cents, along with my very best wishes,

Filippo

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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁   Scientist at CNRS
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀   Debian Developer
⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀  http://msxpertsuite.org
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#58318

Hi Ole,

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 12:23:58PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Filippo Rusconi <lopippo@debian.org> writes:
> > Also, when I installed debian-science and debichem last time, the process
> > downloaded such an amount of software that it almost filled my disk (which I was
> > not suspecting). Maybe, a rough indication of the used disk space in front of
> > each blend might be useful, in this respect.
> 
> I would not include debian-science to the blends listed in the
> installer: it is more an umbrella to organize the packages then a useful
> selection of software. The software selection is also inconsitent: it
> only contains software that is not maintained by a more specialized
> blend (like debichem).
> 
> So, there is probably no real use case to install Debian Science in its
> current form (unless someone takes the work to kurate a "Generic Debian
> Science Workstation" or so).

True.  There might be some general use in may be the following tasks:

   https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/dataacquisition
   https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/distributedcomputing
   https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/statistics
   https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/typesetting
   https://blends.debian.org/science/tasks/viewing

(or even a subset of these).  I'm not very keen on having these but may
be this could be a topic to discuss.
 
> On our last attempt, we had an opt-in for the blends to be in the
> installer; I would propose the same now as well.

Definitely

      Andreas. 

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#59066

Hi,

somehow I've thought I would have pinged about this one and I even
somehow remember that Holger liked that I did so but I do not find and
trace of this in my outbox nor the mailing list archive.  So may be I
have dreamed this.  It would be a real dream if we could finally realise
this 15 year old idea to have Blends right in the installer.  Is there
any work in progress that could be tested?

Kind regards

      Andreas.

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> to give some status information about how we can make Blends more
> visible at installer stage:  Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre
> and I had some discussion in DebCamp.  The conclusion was that adding
> Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if
> tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy.  We all agreed that
> the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general.  It
> could provide some menu item:
> 
>    "Select Blend"   (or rather some better text here!)
> 
> and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from.
> 
> For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that
> needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is
> something to test?)
> 
> Any comments / code contributions are welcome.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
>        Andreas.
> 
> PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete.
> 
> -- 
> http://fam-tille.de

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#62387

Hi Steve,

the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out.  As we talked at
DebConf about better Blends support:  Is there anything we can test
regarding tasksel?

Kind regards

       Andreas.

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 10:32:28PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> somehow I've thought I would have pinged about this one and I even
> somehow remember that Holger liked that I did so but I do not find and
> trace of this in my outbox nor the mailing list archive.  So may be I
> have dreamed this.  It would be a real dream if we could finally realise
> this 15 year old idea to have Blends right in the installer.  Is there
> any work in progress that could be tested?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
>       Andreas.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:34:36AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > to give some status information about how we can make Blends more
> > visible at installer stage:  Holger Levsen, Phil Hands, Steve McIntyre
> > and I had some discussion in DebCamp.  The conclusion was that adding
> > Blends to the installer tasksel menu would be perfectly possible if
> > tasksel itself would provide some menu hierarchy.  We all agreed that
> > the current selection of tasks needs some overhaul in general.  It
> > could provide some menu item:
> > 
> >    "Select Blend"   (or rather some better text here!)
> > 
> > and than you get a selection of Blends to pick (one or more) from.
> > 
> > For the Stretch release Phil even wrote some code in this direction that
> > needs some refresh. (Phil, can you give some pointer if there is
> > something to test?)
> > 
> > Any comments / code contributions are welcome.
> > 
> > Kind regards
> > 
> >        Andreas.
> > 
> > PS: Please correct me if my short summary is incomplete.
> > 
> > -- 
> > http://fam-tille.de
> 
> -- 
> http://fam-tille.de
> 
> 

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#62496

Hey Andreas!

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:23:39AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
>
>the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out.  As we talked at
>DebConf about better Blends support:  Is there anything we can test
>regarding tasksel?

Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the
top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on
this in the next couple of months.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"When C++ is your hammer, everything looks like a thumb." -- Steven M. Haflich

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#63080

On Mon, Jan 06, 2020 at 04:23:08PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Hey Andreas!
>
>On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 08:23:39AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
>>
>>the first alpha of the installer of Debian 11 is out.  As we talked at
>>DebConf about better Blends support:  Is there anything we can test
>>regarding tasksel?
>
>Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the
>top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on
>this in the next couple of months.

(Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
missed something! Debugging that now...

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
  Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there
  must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the
  far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled
  knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer

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#63081

Hi Steve,

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the
> >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on
> >this in the next couple of months.
> 
> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
> missed something! Debugging that now...

Thanks a lot.  Its really appreciated.  I hope that other Blends step in
with testing since I guess the next monthes I'm busy with COVID-19
issues. 

Thank you for the update

      Andreas.

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#64440

Hi Steve,

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the
> >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on
> >this in the next couple of months.
> 
> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
> missed something! Debugging that now...
 
I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there
is something I could test meanwhile.

Kind regards and thanks for all your work for the installer

    Andreas.

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#64441

Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well!

On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 07:16:11PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> >Not yet, I'm afraid. A little too swamped so far, but you're near the
>> >top of my TODO list. I'm hoping to get some time for development on
>> >this in the next couple of months.
>> 
>> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
>> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
>> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
>> missed something! Debugging that now...
> 
>I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there
>is something I could test meanwhile.

I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job,
UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be
psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"Further comment on how I feel about IBM will appear once I've worked out
 whether they're being malicious or incompetent. Capital letters are forecast."
 Matthew Garrett, http://www.livejournal.com/users/mjg59/30675.html

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#64442

Hi Steve,

On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well!

Thanks, I'm perfectly fine.  I hope you as well.

> You must be
> psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend.

Argh, now you have made my deepest secret public! ;-)
Thanks for picking it up and let us know if there is something
to test

      Andreas.

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#65570

Hi Steve,

On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well!
> 
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
> >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
> >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
> >> missed something! Debugging that now...
> > 
> >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there
> >is something I could test meanwhile.
> 
> I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job,
> UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be
> psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend.

I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and
thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer.  The topic
remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late
for Debian 10.  Or did I missed something and the status is promising
for this release? 

Kind regards and thanks for all your attempts anyway

      Andreas.

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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#65596

Hey Andreas!

On Tue, Mar 02, 2021 at 02:46:52PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 08, 2020 at 10:23:19AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hey Andreas! I hope you're keeping well!
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 06:08:02PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
>> >> (Overdue!) update: I've been hacking on this for a while, and I hope
>> >> to have a prototype for testing up shortly. It works fine on my local
>> >> system, but in a test d-i build it fails totally so I've clearly
>> >> missed something! Debugging that now...
>> > 
>> >I wonder whether I might have missed some information whether there
>> >is something I could test meanwhile.
>> 
>> I'm afraid that various higher-priority interrupts came up (new job,
>> UEFI security work) and I got side-tracked for a while. You must be
>> psychic - I just started picking things up again last weekend.
>
>I admit I did not payed much attention on the development of tasksel and
>thus the chances to select Blends right from the installer.  The topic
>remains to be urgent for all Blends - but I'm afraid it will be to late
>for Debian 10.  Or did I missed something and the status is promising
>for this release? 

Apologies, I think I've let you down :-( .

I've made a *small* amount of progress at hacking on debconf (route
#2). But again I've had other things come up, not least another round
of Secure Boot fixes. We're not going to have changes in for
Bullseye. Sorry. :-(

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
  Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there
  must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the
  far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled
  knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer

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#67435

Hi Steve,

Am Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 04:53:48PM +0000 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
> 
> I've made a *small* amount of progress at hacking on debconf (route
> #2). But again I've had other things come up, not least another round
> of Secure Boot fixes. We're not going to have changes in for
> Bullseye. Sorry. :-(

Do you see any chance to get this for Bookworm?

Kind regards

      Andreas. 

-- 
http://fam-tille.de

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