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| Started by | dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) |
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| First post | 2023-03-26 23:30 +0000 |
| Last post | 2026-04-01 23:40 +0200 |
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10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-26 23:30 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 21:26 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-27 10:13 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-27 15:08 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2023-03-28 12:48 +0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-28 15:20 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2023-03-28 18:39 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2023-03-31 09:21 +0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2023-03-30 19:07 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-31 19:36 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2023-03-28 12:09 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? USEnet <jvromans@squirrel.nl> - 2023-03-28 17:35 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-29 09:04 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 01:44 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-01 21:49 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 18:25 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 15:35 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 21:54 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 09:49 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-03 15:18 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-03 13:36 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 19:42 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-03 23:27 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 19:37 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-04 02:31 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-04 09:59 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-05 01:35 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-05 08:29 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-05 21:43 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 21:45 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-06 06:17 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? USEnet <jvromans@squirrel.nl> - 2023-04-06 16:21 +0200
gmail imap setup Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-06 20:09 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-06 06:13 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-06 17:20 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 21:50 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-01 21:57 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "Loris Bennett" <loris.bennett@fu-berlin.de> - 2023-04-03 08:26 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "Szczezuja.space" <szczezuja@sdf.org> - 2023-03-30 17:06 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2023-03-31 08:59 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-04-19 17:33 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2024-04-20 06:54 -0700
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-12 10:10 -0500
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-06-12 20:24 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-13 06:28 -0500
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2024-07-03 13:20 +0100
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 17:22 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-09 23:00 +0042
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-10 06:54 -0500
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 18:24 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 18:19 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> - 2025-02-06 21:40 -0500
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-02-07 14:20 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-07 22:11 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> - 2025-02-10 16:20 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-11 22:18 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> - 2025-02-14 00:25 +0000
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-02-14 11:43 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-14 21:05 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> - 2025-04-01 21:34 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> - 2025-04-05 04:01 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 16:35 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-14 21:04 -0300
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 19:49 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> - 2026-04-01 00:10 +0200
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 15:31 -0400
Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> - 2026-04-01 23:40 +0200
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| From | Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 04:01 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87ldsf6qhn.fsf@somewhere.edu> |
| In reply to | #61016 |
Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: > Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> writes: > >> "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes: >> >>> The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post >>> with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the >>> autoreply the >>> system sends out, and after that you can post by news. >> >> That depends on the mailing list though. At least the Python mailing >> list doesn't allow posting via Gmane and they require subscription >> too. Seems overkill, the list has gone fairly quiet since discussion >> moved to a forum. > > I'd really love to see a move back to Usenet/NNTP. I know Thunderbird has > builtin support and I imagine other MUAs do as well, so set up wouldn't be too > technical for most people. > > IDK, maybe I'm just being nostalgic. I don't think that's just nostalgia. An NNTP server is far superior to mailing lists---not to mention web forums or web anything. Doesn't Gmane or something help you there? (*) A tangent I wouldn't be surprised if we see an awakening in a near or not so near future---in USENET-like technologies. Take a look at NNCPNET, for example. There are news posted just yesterday on comp.mail.uccp. We may also mention the Gemini protocol. I think it's safe to say that hackers were never satisfied with the implications of the growth of the web and its products. A certain new world is very likely being built once again right under our noses. It's true that even among hackers there are so many who don't believe in any rebirth of anything. I wouldn't count on it myself. But NNCPNET, for example, is not going back---it's moving forward. I think there's a group of people moving forward. Technology and propaganda are just like that: the former moves slowly with spasms along the way; the latter is to confuse everyone and everything.
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| From | steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-31 16:35 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87wlyrhh50.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #61016 |
Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: > Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> writes: > < > "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes: < > < >> The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post < >> with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the autoreply the < >> system sends out, and after that you can post by news. < > < > That depends on the mailing list though. At least the Python mailing < > list doesn't allow posting via Gmane and they require subscription < > too. Seems overkill, the list has gone fairly quiet since discussion < > moved to a forum. > > I'd really love to see a move back to Usenet/NNTP. I know Thunderbird has > builtin support and I imagine other MUAs do as well, so set up wouldn't be too > technical for most people. > > IDK, maybe I'm just being nostalgic. Also the pan program works well. the speed of NNTP vs email gateway is a joke. NNTP has been around for a while and seems to be rather robust. complicated for sure, but why always do people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater (so to speek).
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| From | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| Date | 2025-02-14 21:04 -0300 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87h64wkr95.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #61004 |
"W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes: > Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes: > >> "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes: >> >>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes: >>> >>>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to >>>>>>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server. >>>>> >>>>> I'm still here, using news.solani.org >>>> >>>> I'm still here as well, using news.eternal-september.org. >>>> >>>> I wish the emacs-help were gatewayed here. Similarly for emacs-devel. >>>> I need to subscribe to them and then use public-inbox to mirror them and >>>> then set up Gnus to read those public inboxes. :) It's a bit of work! >>> >>> FWIW the emacs-help list is available on NNTP via the Gmane >>> bidirectional news/mail gateway; connect to the news.gmane.io news >>> server and subscribe to gmane.emacs.help. >> >> What are the rules for posting there? I must post with a from-header >> using the e-mail address with which I subscribed myself to the mailing >> list? Is that it? >> >> Thanks for the info. > > The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post > with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the autoreply the > system sends out, and after that you can post by news. > > If you want to obscure your email address, you may do an "X-Archive: > encrypt" header, which creates a Gmane mail alias (which people can > really reply to by mail, if they wish). That's very cool. Thanks for the info.
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| From | steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-03-29 19:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87se9i8adk.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #60999 |
Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: > steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes: > < > < > Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to < > USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again. < > > > Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server. yes and enough space to run your own web page! Things chage but stay the same; I am listening to my SDR radio .
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| From | Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 00:10 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87o6k3irar.fsf@posteo.de> |
| In reply to | #61049 |
On 2026-03-29 at 19:49, <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> wrote: > Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: > >> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes: >> > < > > < > Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to > < > USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again. > < > >> >> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server. > > > yes and enough space to run your own web page! Things chage but stay the > same; I am listening to my SDR radio . Steve, why do you partly use "< " as a `message-yank-cited-prefix'? I've never seen that before. It will sure break some other people's setup.
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| From | steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 15:31 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87h5puzddh.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #61052 |
Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> writes: > On 2026-03-29 at 19:49, <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> wrote: > < > Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes: < > < >> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes: < >> < > < > < > < > Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to < > < > USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again. < > < > < >> < >> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server. < > < > < > yes and enough space to run your own web page! Things chage but stay the < > same; I am listening to my SDR radio . > > Steve, why do you partly use "< " as a > `message-yank-cited-prefix'? I've never seen that before. It will > sure break some other people's setup. I read about this in an old rfc many years ago. This is not intended to be malicious, just complient. I also find it convenient to read. Emacs font-locking will switch to another color ; I got sick of reading messages that started with >>>> Hello I disagree. so I thought >>>< Hellow I disagree would standout. in emacs the colors are different so it make it easier for me to read. I care not for broken software. As to my organization being backspace; this is also RFC complient (as far as I can remeber). This goes back to the days before Gnu/Linux systems were considered an X11 386 operating system. The RFC states that backspace is a legitimate organization. it also fits the no space rule for smtp :) When Gnu/Linux first started to appear on net 1 or 2 there where some people who did not like freedom that a GNU system offered, so these "fail safe methods" where used. If you listed you where using the linux system you would get syn flooded (I think this is the first attack against the network stack); this was quite embarrassing at the time. thanks for asking though!
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| From | Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> |
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| Date | 2026-04-01 23:40 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? |
| Message-ID | <87pl4ipdf4.fsf@posteo.de> |
| In reply to | #61053 |
On 2026-04-01 at 15:31, <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> wrote: > I also find it convenient to read. Emacs > font-locking will switch to another color ; I got sick of reading > messages that started with > >>>>> Hello I disagree. > > so I thought > >>>>< Hellow I disagree > > would standout. in emacs the colors are different so it make it easier > for me to read. A similar result can be achieved by customizing the message-cited-text-* and gnus-cite-* faces.
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