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  10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-26 23:30 +0000
    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-03-26 21:26 -0400
      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-27 10:13 +0100
        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-27 15:08 +0000
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2023-03-28 12:48 +0300
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) - 2023-03-28 15:20 +0000
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2023-03-28 18:39 +0200
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2023-03-31 09:21 +0300
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Axel Reichert <mail@axel-reichert.de> - 2023-03-30 19:07 +0200
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-31 19:36 +0100
        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Matto Fransen <mattof@sdf.org> - 2023-03-28 12:09 +0200
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? USEnet <jvromans@squirrel.nl> - 2023-03-28 17:35 +0200
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2023-03-29 09:04 +0100
      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 01:44 +0000
        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-01 21:49 -0400
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 18:25 +0000
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 15:35 -0400
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-02 21:54 +0000
                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 09:49 -0400
                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-03 15:18 +0000
                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-03 13:36 -0700
                    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 19:42 -0400
                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-03 23:27 +0100
                    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-03 19:37 -0400
                      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-04 02:31 +0100
                      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-04 09:59 -0700
                        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-05 01:35 +0100
                          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-05 08:29 -0700
                            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-05 21:43 +0100
                              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 21:45 -0400
                                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-06 06:17 -0700
                                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? USEnet <jvromans@squirrel.nl> - 2023-04-06 16:21 +0200
                                gmail imap setup Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-06 20:09 +0000
                              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2023-04-06 06:13 -0700
                                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2023-04-06 17:20 +0100
                            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-05 21:50 -0400
        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2023-04-01 21:57 -0400
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? "Loris Bennett" <loris.bennett@fu-berlin.de> - 2023-04-03 08:26 +0200
    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? "Szczezuja.space" <szczezuja@sdf.org> - 2023-03-30 17:06 +0000
      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? Cecil Westerhof <Cecil@decebal.nl> - 2023-03-31 08:59 +0200
    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? steve <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-04-19 17:33 -0400
      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger.  What happened? HASM <hasm@example.invalid> - 2024-04-20 06:54 -0700
        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-12 10:10 -0500
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2024-06-12 20:24 -0300
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-06-13 06:28 -0500
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Smith <null@void.com> - 2024-07-03 13:20 +0100
          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-09 17:22 -0400
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-09 23:00 +0042
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> - 2024-08-10 06:54 -0500
                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 18:24 -0400
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2024-08-11 18:19 -0400
            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> - 2025-02-06 21:40 -0500
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-02-07 14:20 +0000
                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-07 22:11 -0300
                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> - 2025-02-10 16:20 +0000
                    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-11 22:18 -0300
                      Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> - 2025-02-14 00:25 +0000
                        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-02-14 11:43 +0200
                          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-14 21:05 -0300
                          Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> - 2025-04-01 21:34 -0400
                            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Ethan Carter <ec1828@somewhere.edu> - 2025-04-05 04:01 -0300
                            Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 16:35 -0400
                        Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2025-02-14 21:04 -0300
              Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 19:49 -0400
                Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> - 2026-04-01 00:10 +0200
                  Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 15:31 -0400
                    Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened? Mekeor Melire <mekeor@posteo.de> - 2026-04-01 23:40 +0200

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#60968

dkcombs@panix.com (dkcombs) writes:

> Subject line says it all.  Has emacs usage gone down?
>
> (It's been that long since *I* last has newsgroup availability.)
>

everything is web based these days. usenet is now used with google
groups.

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#60971

steve <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:

> everything is web based these days. usenet is now used with google
> groups.

Google Groups stopped its usenet interface recently (in February, if I
recall correctly).

-- HASM

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#60977 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

On 04/20/2024 08:54 AM, HASM wrote:
> steve <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> everything is web based these days. usenet is now used with google
>> groups.
> 
> Google Groups stopped its usenet interface recently (in February, if I
> recall correctly).
> 
> -- HASM
> 

Not everyone uses Google.
I use Usenet via eternal-september and was just told that gnu.emacs.help 
existed.
Though a computer user since the 60's, I've never used Emacs.
[had minimal contact with TECO back in 70's]

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#60978 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> writes:

[...]

> Though a computer user since the 60's, I've never used Emacs.
> [had minimal contact with TECO back in 70's]

Hey there.  How nice!  What year did you begin to use UNIX?  What were
your first impressions?  Did you think it would be the revolution that
it has been?

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#60979 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

On 06/12/2024 06:24 PM, Julieta Shem wrote:
> Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Though a computer user since the 60's, I've never used Emacs.
>> [had minimal contact with TECO back in 70's]
> 
> Hey there.  How nice!  What year did you begin to use UNIX?  What were
> your first impressions?  Did you think it would be the revolution that
> it has been?
> 

I never had contact with an OS _labeled_ as UNIX.
As an E.E. student I took a required introduction to programming course 
using CORC/CUPL.

I had contact with TECO while an engineering tech in Power Supply 
Engineering at DEC. In those days, as an analog circuits person, I had 
minimal interest in computing. That interest evolved while working for a 
company building power plant monitoring/control equipment. They had an 
HP mini whose editor I used. Its OS may have been UNIX related.

As to PCs, I started with a PET, progressed thru a Kaypro 10 and 
eventually had a machine running WinXP. Got disgusted with M$ telling me 
what I should want to do and discovered Linux. Settled on Debian as its 
documentation explicitly mentioned some feature I needed.

Articles such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emacs attracted my 
attention. Although I didn't personally use TECO much, I saw how it 
could be used. A personal project requires editing a large number of 
similarly formatted HTML files. Perfect job for a macro editor. Any 
recommended reading for some whose needs have been met for years by 
Notebook and/or Pluma? Prefer something including Extended Regular 
Expressions in search and replace operations.

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#60980 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

1996
Linux
It was gathering pace then - becoming noticed.
Come 1997 I was on-task - Linux as day-to-day work tool.
Used it for
writing programs in "C" and compiling
running those programs - hours of run-time
document production - LaTeX typesetter
making graphs, figures (diagrams) etc.

Still use unix for same purposes.

20 years been on Mac with osx (a unix)
Had install of all unix user programs I like & use - GnuPlot graphing
program, etc.

Becoming harder now with newer OS-X's

Might have to go to a computer with Linux.
eg. a Raspberry Pi based computer

Do a lot of work in "emacs" the text editor - have its interpretter run
functions written in emacs lisp - "elisp".
Can do beam calculations and the like.
Great working environment.
Can write documents and put inline the functions I use with the input
values - had answer write itself into the buffer and permanent record of
what gave that answer.
I also use shell-scripts - often fired-up from "emacs" - so do want to
be on a unix.

Rich S

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#60987 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> writes:

> On 04/20/2024 08:54 AM, HASM wrote:
< > steve <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
< > 
< >> everything is web based these days. usenet is now used with google
< >> groups.
< > Google Groups stopped its usenet interface recently (in February, if I
< > recall correctly).
< > -- HASM
< > 
>
> Not everyone uses Google.
> I use Usenet via eternal-september and was just told that gnu.emacs.help
> existed.

yes it does.

> Though a computer user since the 60's, I've never used Emacs.
> [had minimal contact with TECO back in 70's]

TECO? ouch! I have actually read the original emacs from stallman
written in TECO. it is horrifying! back when programmers mattered.

Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.

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#60988 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:

> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.

I don't even use the email address from my main provider to minimise the
locked in effect.  Eternal-September and similar news providers do a
good job and them being independent from my internet provider feels like
a good thing.

If you want a bit web-, gopher-, gemini-space and email somewhere, look
for a pubnix offering such.  As positive side effect you get some more
digital neighbours too.

E.g.:

-> https://tildeverse.org/
-> https://sdf.org/
-> https://sdfeu.org/w/

Apropos neighbours:

-> https://emacs.ch (Mastodon, the ideal place to test mastodon.el)

-- 
I do not bite, I just want to play.

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#60989 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

On 08/09/2024 05:18 PM, yeti wrote:
> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
> 
> I don't even use the email address from my main provider to minimise the
> locked in effect.  Eternal-September and similar news providers do a
> good job and them being independent from my internet provider feels like
> a good thing.
> 
> If you want a bit web-, gopher-, gemini-space and email somewhere, look
> for a pubnix offering such.  As positive side effect you get some more
> digital neighbours too.

Just what is a "pubnix"????????????
Web search more confusin than educational ;{

> 
> E.g.:
> 
> -> https://tildeverse.org/
Says that "pubnixes" is abbreviation for "public access unix systems".
Nomore. {apologies to THE raven ;}

> -> https://sdf.org/
In 6/23 paid ARPA and VPM membership dues but email unsatisfying.
In 9/23 went with paid email provider.

> -> https://sdfeu.org/w/
Without informative content.

Been a computer _user_ since early 60's. My only formal training a 
single semester "Intro to programming".

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#60998 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Richard Owlett <rowlett@access.net> writes:

> On 08/09/2024 05:18 PM, yeti wrote:

< > steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
< > 
< >> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
< >> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
< > I don't even use the email address from my main provider to minimise the
< > locked in effect.  Eternal-September and similar news providers do a
< > good job and them being independent from my internet provider feels like
< > a good thing.
< > If you want a bit web-, gopher-, gemini-space and email somewhere, look
< > for a pubnix offering such.  As positive side effect you get some more
< > digital neighbours too.
>
> Just what is a "pubnix"????????????
> Web search more confusin than educational ;{

canadian server.

I miss CMU's AFS. another lost cause... The technology in the andrew
toolkit far surpassed the web browser interface (gmail, cookie logins,
etc.).




>
< > E.g.:
< > -> https://tildeverse.org/
> Says that "pubnixes" is abbreviation for "public access unix systems".
> Nomore. {apologies to THE raven ;}
>
< > -> https://sdf.org/
> In 6/23 paid ARPA and VPM membership dues but email unsatisfying.
> In 9/23 went with paid email provider.


yeah ummm ARPA is being used by other people now.

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#60997 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>
< > Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
< > USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.


> I don't even use the email address from my main provider to minimise the
> locked in effect.

yeah they ran out of engineers.

> Eternal-September and similar news providers do a good job and them
> being independent from my internet provider feels like a good thing.


yes, I agree. However most ISPs would just farm out the NNTP, and DNS
servers to larger companies. That is to say the ISP would pay a usenet
provider to handle operations.

One thing I loved about this system is that your ISP could have local
groups just for their customers. it used to make feel more ``connected''
to the by ISP. these days they want me to online chat them.

this was back when packet radio/land lines and such where still useful.
 
>
> If you want a bit web-, gopher-, gemini-space and email somewhere, look
> for a pubnix offering such.  As positive side effect you get some more
> digital neighbours too.


I'll just run my own. pain in the a$$ as it is.

but thanks for the info.


> E.g.:
>
> -> https://tildeverse.org/
> -> https://sdf.org/
> -> https://sdfeu.org/w/
>
> Apropos neighbours:
>
> -> https://emacs.ch (Mastodon, the ideal place to test mastodon.el)

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#60999 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>

Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.

-- 
this is my clever sig.

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#61000 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes:

> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>>
>
> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.

I'm still here, using news.solani.org

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#61001 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

> Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes:
>
>> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>>>
>>
>> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.
>
> I'm still here, using news.solani.org

I'm still here as well, using news.eternal-september.org.  

I wish the emacs-help were gatewayed here.  Similarly for emacs-devel.
I need to subscribe to them and then use public-inbox to mirror them and
then set up Gnus to read those public inboxes. :)  It's a bit of work!

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#61002 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes:

> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>
>> Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes:
>>
>>> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>>>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.
>>
>> I'm still here, using news.solani.org
>
> I'm still here as well, using news.eternal-september.org.  
>
> I wish the emacs-help were gatewayed here.  Similarly for emacs-devel.
> I need to subscribe to them and then use public-inbox to mirror them and
> then set up Gnus to read those public inboxes. :)  It's a bit of work!

FWIW the emacs-help list is available on NNTP via the Gmane
bidirectional news/mail gateway; connect to the news.gmane.io news
server and subscribe to gmane.emacs.help.

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#61003 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

"W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes:

> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes:
>
>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>
>>> Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes:
>>>
>>>> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>>>>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.
>>>
>>> I'm still here, using news.solani.org
>>
>> I'm still here as well, using news.eternal-september.org.  
>>
>> I wish the emacs-help were gatewayed here.  Similarly for emacs-devel.
>> I need to subscribe to them and then use public-inbox to mirror them and
>> then set up Gnus to read those public inboxes. :)  It's a bit of work!
>
> FWIW the emacs-help list is available on NNTP via the Gmane
> bidirectional news/mail gateway; connect to the news.gmane.io news
> server and subscribe to gmane.emacs.help.

What are the rules for posting there?  I must post with a from-header
using the e-mail address with which I subscribed myself to the mailing
list?  Is that it?

Thanks for the info.

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#61004 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes:

> "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes:
>
>> Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> writes:
>>
>>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Rust Buckett <rust@fakedomain.nope> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> steve g <sgonedes1977@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe ISP (internet service providers) could start to offer access to
>>>>>> USEnet, email, and ftp to their clients again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Those were the good old days when your ISP hosted an NNTP server.
>>>>
>>>> I'm still here, using news.solani.org
>>>
>>> I'm still here as well, using news.eternal-september.org.  
>>>
>>> I wish the emacs-help were gatewayed here.  Similarly for emacs-devel.
>>> I need to subscribe to them and then use public-inbox to mirror them and
>>> then set up Gnus to read those public inboxes. :)  It's a bit of work!
>>
>> FWIW the emacs-help list is available on NNTP via the Gmane
>> bidirectional news/mail gateway; connect to the news.gmane.io news
>> server and subscribe to gmane.emacs.help.
>
> What are the rules for posting there?  I must post with a from-header
> using the e-mail address with which I subscribed myself to the mailing
> list?  Is that it?
>
> Thanks for the info.

The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post
with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the autoreply the
system sends out, and after that you can post by news.

If you want to obscure your email address, you may do an "X-Archive:
encrypt" header, which creates a Gmane mail alias (which people can
really reply to by mail, if they wish).

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#61005 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

"W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes:

> The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post
> with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the autoreply the
> system sends out, and after that you can post by news.

That depends on the mailing list though. At least the Python mailing
list doesn't allow posting via Gmane and they require subscription
too. Seems overkill, the list has gone fairly quiet since discussion
moved to a forum.

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#61007 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> writes:

> "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes:
>
>> The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post
>> with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the
>> autoreply the
>> system sends out, and after that you can post by news.
>
> That depends on the mailing list though. At least the Python mailing
> list doesn't allow posting via Gmane and they require subscription
> too. Seems overkill, the list has gone fairly quiet since discussion
> moved to a forum.

The python-users has moved to a forum?  A web forum?  That's a
downgrade.

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#61016 — Re: 10, 15 yrs ago this newsgroup was *much* larger. What happened?

Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> writes:

> "W. Greenhouse" <wgreenhouse@tilde.club> writes:
>
>> The Gmane gateway has its own independent subscription. You just post
>> with some valid mail address in From, and reply (by email) to the autoreply the
>> system sends out, and after that you can post by news.
>
> That depends on the mailing list though. At least the Python mailing
> list doesn't allow posting via Gmane and they require subscription
> too. Seems overkill, the list has gone fairly quiet since discussion
> moved to a forum.

I'd really love to see a move back to Usenet/NNTP. I know Thunderbird has
builtin support and I imagine other MUAs do as well, so set up wouldn't be too
technical for most people.

IDK, maybe I'm just being nostalgic.

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