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| From | Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | de.sci.electronics |
| Subject | Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators |
| Date | 2022-05-25 16:11 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <t6ldca$10pbq$1@solani.org> (permalink) |
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On 05/25/2022 15:02, Holger Schieferdecker wrote:
> Am 24.05.2022 um 10:28 schrieb Arno Welzel:
>> Holger Schieferdecker:
>>
>>> Am 23.05.2022 um 14:44 schrieb Arno Welzel:
>>>> Helmut Schellong:
>>>>> Falsch, der Test ist in 100% aller Anwendungen besonders sinnvoll.
>>>>> Er wird weltweit benutzt, um Bitketten zu validieren, ob sie
>>>>> den gestellten Anforderungen (an einen CSPRNG) entsprechen.
>>>>> Der Test ist hierfür eine gültige Referenz.
>>>>
>>>> Dumm nur, wenn die Bitketten ganz einfach zu reproduzieren sind und das
>>>> komplette Gegenteil von "Zufall" sind. Wenn man nämlich bestimmte
>>>> Ausgangsdaten komprimiert, kommt *immer* exakt die gleiche Bitfolge
>>>> dabei heraus. Und wenn der Test genau das nicht berücksichtigt, taugt er
>>>> nicht als Beurteilung, ob die so produzierten Daten den Anforderungen an
>>>> einen CSPRNG genügen.
>>>
>>> Kann es eigentlich sein, daß der Streit hier mehr um den Begriff
>>> "Zufall" geht?
>>>
>>> Soweit ich das verstanden habe, ist ein als Algorithmus implementierter
>>> Zufallszahlengenerator doch immer deterministisch. Die Zahlenfolge, die
>>> ausgegeben wird, ist nur vom Startwert abhängig und reproduzierbar.
>>
>> Korrekt.
>
> Danke.
>
>>> Trotzdem kann die Zahlenfolge als Zufallsfolge geeignet sein, wenn sie
>>> gewisse statistische Eigenschaften hat (Gleichverteilung etc.).
>>
>> Ja - weil die Zahlenfolge sehr lang ist und man anhand der beobachteten
>> Zahlen in der Regel nicht einfach auf den verwendeten Startwert
>> schließen kann.
>>
>> Bei komprimierten Daten ist das aber nicht so, weil die Komprimierung
>> von Daten reversibel ist und man daher aus diesen Daten auch wieder die
>> Ursprungsdaten rekonstruieren kann. Daher ist das Ergebnis auch nur so
>> "zufällig", wie die Ausgangsdaten.
>
> Dann könnte man die Ausgangsdaten also bildlich gesprochen als Seed für den "Zufallszahlengenerator" betrachten?
Das ist ein Schluß, der nicht so recht paßt.
Ein Seed in Voreinstellung beträgt oft einfach '1'.
(Die '1' ist prinzipiell genau so gut wie 923742194, jedoch die '1'
wird sicher als erste Zahl probiert ...)
Es kann jede Integer-Zahl verwendet werden, die im betreffenden Zahlenbereich liegt.
Der Seed sollte jedoch in vielen Situationen im Wert wechseln.
> Für Kryptographie mag die Reversibilität negativ sein,
Ist sie nicht - warum auch?
aber wenn z.B. Zufallszahlen für die Simulation einer Teilchenbewegung brauche, reicht es doch, wenn sie statistisch verteilt sind.
Ja, aber warum sollte eine komprimierte Datei als Quelle für
eine zufällige Bitfolge oder Seed-Werte dienen?
Dafür gibt es doch Zufallsgeneratoren.
Als Seed-Pool geeignet:
-----------------------
(Uv~,TEh%#B)Rs>@m/L+?OYp1w<c|Ar{&.Wg2kt4M8`oKq^jV-[\f:"FlS_}7uP*
4:(9|,]_wdUYR&~%v5${iZFGpsjX>yzJ+a^ClOWMe2g*T!x0/NkP)@#"};1AmK\D
F8}Z3S\:B,g"<K@*v%{`~M>poHIq(;bWE1Ck)iRy0a$DrNTh+Y6w?LQx_tG9&Vm|
-----------------------
Aber nicht direkt als 'zufällige' Folge (für Verschlüsselung).
>>> Wenn es nicht deterministisch sein darf, muß eine echte Zufallsquelle
>>> (Rauschen, radioaktiver Zerfall, ...) den Startwert generieren.
>>
>> Korrekt. Und je nach Anforderung der Anwendung wird das auch genau so
>> gemacht.
>>
>>> Ob *jede* stark komprimierte Datei *immer* diese statistischen
>>> Eigenschaften erfüllt, weiß ich nicht. Ich weiß auch nicht, ob man das
>>> mathematisch beweisen könnte. Testen kann man es für eine gegebene
>>> komprimierte Datei wohl.
>>
>> Eben - nur weil *eine* (oder mehrere) Datei(en) einen Test erfüllen,
>> dass die statistische Verteilung der Bits zufällig genug ist, bedeutet
>> eben nicht, dass das grundsätzich so ist.
>
> Und da ist dann Helmut anderer Meinung und begründet das mit der Kolmogorow-Komplexität. Ok, da kann ich nicht mitreden. Aber das ist dann der Kern der Auseinandersetzung hier.
>
>
Die Kolmogorow-Komplexität ist der Beweis dafür, daß _stark_ komprimierte Dateien
wohl immer zufällig genug sind.
Allerdings ich selbst habe bisher nur ar-Archive mit vielen C-Code-Dateien
oder html-Dateien mit 'xz' auf etwa 15-20% komprimiert.
Diese sind fast so gut wie ausgewachsene Stream-Cipher.
Ich habe aber nie vorgehabt, das zu nutzen.
Es ist einfach eine wissenschaftliche Erkenntnis.
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2022-05-28 22:39 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2022-05-24 18:06 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-05-24 21:54 +0000
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2022-05-19 11:29 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2022-05-23 12:54 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-20 23:10 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Stefan Wiens <s.wi@gmx.net> - 2022-06-21 01:19 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Stefan Wiens <s.wi@gmx.net> - 2022-06-21 21:13 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Volker Bartheld <news2022@bartheld.net> - 2022-06-22 07:41 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-06-22 11:16 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST � Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Volker Bartheld <news2022@bartheld.net> - 2022-06-22 11:35 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 11:45 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2022-05-25 09:55 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-17 18:38 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2022-05-19 11:31 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-19 12:57 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-19 14:12 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2022-05-19 14:51 +0200
Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-19 15:19 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-20 15:27 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-22 10:10 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-26 23:49 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-24 11:10 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-24 12:43 +0200
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OT: Nein, doch, nein, doch, NEIN, DOCH! (was: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators) Volker Bartheld <news2022@bartheld.net> - 2022-05-24 19:18 +0200
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Re: Dragon,Rabbit,Spritz: NIST — Statistical Test Suite For Random And Pseudorandom Number Generators Helmut Schellong <rip@schellong.biz> - 2022-05-24 20:05 +0200
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