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| Started by | Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> |
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| First post | 2024-12-18 16:46 -0300 |
| Last post | 2024-12-24 23:53 +0000 |
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a sed question Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2024-12-18 16:46 -0300
Re: a sed question John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@personalprojects.net> - 2024-12-18 15:12 -0500
Re: a sed question Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-12-19 01:14 +0000
Re: a sed question Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2024-12-19 09:05 -0300
Re: a sed question Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-12-20 00:55 +0000
Re: a sed question gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-20 12:44 +0000
Re: a sed question Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-12-21 00:17 +0000
Re: a sed question Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-21 03:09 +0000
sed... (Was: a sed question) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-21 03:36 +0000
Re: sed... (Was: a sed question) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-21 03:57 +0000
Re: sed... (Was: a sed question) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 15:38 +0100
Re: sed... (Was: a sed question) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 17:29 +0100
Re: sed... Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 14:23 -0800
Re: sed... Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 00:33 +0100
Re: sed... (Was: a sed question) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-12-21 21:46 +0000
Re: sed... (Was: a sed question) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-22 21:22 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 15:35 +0100
Re: a sed question Ralf Damaschke <rwspam@gmx.de> - 2024-12-22 00:43 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-20 15:55 +0100
Checking for right # of args in a shell script (Was: a sed question) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-20 15:11 +0000
Re: Checking for right # of args in a shell script (Was: a sed question) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-20 16:49 +0100
Re: Checking for right # of args in a shell script (Was: a sed question) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-20 17:43 +0000
Re: a sed question Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2024-12-21 09:17 -0300
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:19 +0100
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 13:41 -0800
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 00:50 +0100
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:26 -0800
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 01:41 +0100
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 00:31 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 02:06 +0100
Re: a sed question Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2024-12-21 15:34 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 17:14 +0100
Re: a sed question Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> - 2024-12-21 15:21 -0300
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-21 20:48 +0100
Re: a sed question Helmut Waitzmann <nn.throttle@xoxy.net> - 2024-12-21 19:20 +0100
Re: a sed question Ordatious <order@order.invalid> - 2024-12-22 09:19 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 19:23 +0100
Re: a sed question Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 08:13 -0600
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-21 21:09 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 01:02 +0100
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 00:28 +0000
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:36 -0800
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 01:52 +0000
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 21:09 -0800
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-22 05:56 +0000
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 22:55 -0800
Re: a sed question Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2024-12-23 10:09 +0000
Re: a sed question gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-23 12:41 +0000
Re: a sed question Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-23 18:47 +0000
Re: a sed question Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2024-12-24 11:20 +0000
Re: a sed question Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-22 02:22 +0100
Re: a sed question gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-22 01:09 +0000
Re: a sed question Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-22 20:03 +0000
Re: a sed question Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 07:26 -0600
How to solve The Miracle (was Re: a sed question) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-12-23 21:09 +0100
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-23 22:57 +0000
Re: a sed question Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 15:06 -0800
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-24 00:28 +0000
Re: a sed question anthk <anthk@openbsd.home> - 2025-03-23 09:45 +0000
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 23:41 +0000
Re: a sed question Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 06:20 -0600
Dealing with four-year-olds... (Was: a sed question) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-24 12:58 +0000
Re: a sed question Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-24 20:57 +0000
Re: a sed question Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-12-24 21:46 +0000
Arguing with a four-year-old (Was: a sed question) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-12-24 23:53 +0000
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| From | Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 06:20 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vke8u3$1rdnq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #26031 |
On 12/23/2024 4:57 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 07:26:15 -0600, Ed Morton wrote:
>
>> Awk is a mandatory POSIX tool (and so available on all POSIX-compliant
>> Unix-y systems) with a tiny but powerful language focused on just text
>> processing, perl is none of that.
>
> Perl is all of that, and more. Text processing is very much the raison
> d’être for Perl. Because it turns out it can get quite complicated.
Is perl a mandatory POSIX tool? No.
Does perl have a tiny language? No.
Is perl focused on just text processing? No.
So, is perl a mandatory POSIX tool with a tiny language focused on just
text processing? No, as previously mentioned, perl is none of that.
Ed.
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 12:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Dealing with four-year-olds... (Was: a sed question) |
| Message-ID | <vkeb62$241pq$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #26034 |
In article <vke8u3$1rdnq$1@dont-email.me>, Ed Morton <mortonspam@gmail.com> wrote: >On 12/23/2024 4:57 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 07:26:15 -0600, Ed Morton wrote: >> >>> Awk is a mandatory POSIX tool (and so available on all POSIX-compliant >>> Unix-y systems) with a tiny but powerful language focused on just text >>> processing, perl is none of that. >> >> Perl is all of that, and more. Text processing is very much the raison >> dtre for Perl. Because it turns out it can get quite complicated. > >Is perl a mandatory POSIX tool? No. >Does perl have a tiny language? No. >Is perl focused on just text processing? No. > >So, is perl a mandatory POSIX tool with a tiny language focused on just >text processing? No, as previously mentioned, perl is none of that. Does it feel like you are explaining things to a four-year-old? Because I think you are. And doing a fine job of it. -- Joni Ernst (2014): Obama should be impeached because 2 people have died of Ebola. Joni Ernst (2020): Trump is doing great things, because only 65,000 times as many people have died of COVID-19. Josef Stalin (1947): When one person dies, it is a tragedy; when a million die, it is merely statistics.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 20:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vkf788$2130s$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #26034 |
On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 06:20:18 -0600, Ed Morton wrote: > Is perl a mandatory POSIX tool? No. Nobody cares. POSIX compliance is just a means to an end not an end in itself. Linux pays attention to POSIX where it matters, and ignores it where it doesn’t. This is one case where it doesn’t.
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| From | Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 21:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20241224133404.617@kylheku.com> |
| In reply to | #26037 |
On 2024-12-24, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 06:20:18 -0600, Ed Morton wrote: > >> Is perl a mandatory POSIX tool? No. > > Nobody cares. That is a false. Enough vendors and system integrators care that you can hardly log into any Linux box that doesn't have some kind of awk. Even small IoT devices or consumer routers. (If it doesn't have Awk, it's almost certainly not going to have Perl.) The BusyBox project, a popular project that provides userland utilities for small systems packaged into a single executable, has its own BusyBox Awk, which is how a good many small embedded systems get their Awk. BusyBox Awk is implemented in one 100,000 character source file (that probably relies on some BusyBox library infrastructure.) There is no BuxyBox Perl and likely won't be any time soon. > POSIX compliance is just a means to an end not an end in > itself. Linux pays attention to POSIX where it matters, and ignores it > where it doesn’t. That is true, but one area where it matters is in having Awk on a system, so that shell scripts which rely on Awk do not break. > This is one case where it doesn’t. That is nothing but a statement of your personal preference or wishful thinking, not reflecting the facts of the world at large: as in, what is widely deployed out there and can be counted on. -- TXR Programming Language: http://nongnu.org/txr Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2024-12-24 23:53 +0000 |
| Subject | Arguing with a four-year-old (Was: a sed question) |
| Message-ID | <vkfhi2$24kpt$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #26038 |
In article <20241224133404.617@kylheku.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> wrote:
...
>> This is one case where it doesnt.
>
>That is nothing but a statement of your personal preference or wishful
>thinking, not reflecting the facts of the world at large: as in,
>what is widely deployed out there and can be counted on.
Arguing with a 4 year old again, are we?
--
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough
men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
George Orwell
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