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Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale)

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Subject Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale)
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Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 28/08/2024 19:48, David Brown wrote:
>> On 28/08/2024 19:43, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 21:34:54 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 11:26:18 +0100, Bart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (2) You want to temporarily comment out an 'if' line so that the
>>>>> following block is unconditional. You can't do that with also
>>>>> unindenting the block.
>>>>
>>>> In Emacs, I have commands defined to adjust the indentation of the
>>>> selected region. Surely any other decent editor would offer the same.
>>>
>>> Writing editor editor macros in order to work around fundamentally bad
>>> language design is not something a programmer should have to waste
>>> time on.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know about Emacs, but in most editors the way you indent a
>> block of code is to select the lines, then press "Tab".  Unindenting
>> is "shift-Tab".  Changing tabs to spaces or spaces to tabs is done
>> by selecting "Tabs to spaces" from the Edit menu, or something
>> equally simple and obvious.  Many editor can be set to convert tabs
>> to spaces (or vice versa) when saving files, perhaps specific to the
>> file type (so you don't muck up your makefiles).
>> It takes a special kind of genius to be able to program, and yet
>> still have trouble with this kind of thing.
>
> The main problem isn't in changing the indentation of a block of code;
> it is in HAVING to do so because of poor language design. A lesser one
> is having to rely on whatever varied features that 100s of different
> editors may have to do so.
>
> And yet another, of more significance, if that after you've indented a
> block, it may now merge into an adjacent block that was already at
> that new indent. If you later need to revert that first block back to
> it's original position, you'd better make sure you mark that boundary.
>
> It is a language design issue pure and simple. Don't try and pin it on
> the users and make out it's due to lack of expertise with their
> editors. Of course we can all indent blocks; it's just an unnecessary
> palaver.
>
> Clearly your point of view is as a language /user/ where languages and
> their characteristics are an invariant that you can't do anything
> about, can't change, and need to work around.
>
> But some of us devise (and, importanly, implement) languages of our
> own and can be more vocal about misfeatures in others.

If I'm moving chunks of code around in a C or C++ program, from one
scope to another, I can get away with leaving the indentation as it is,
because all the compiler cares about is where the braces are.  But I
*always* adjust the indentation to fit the code's new context.

Python's use of indentation to indicate scoping just means that I have
to do what I would have done anyway.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 02:50 +0000
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                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-27 09:39 +0100
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                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Sebastian <sebastian@here.com.invalid> - 2024-08-28 02:53 +0000
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                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-30 10:01 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-28 17:48 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-28 17:43 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-28 20:48 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 20:27 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 13:37 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 21:44 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-28 23:44 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-28 22:49 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 00:21 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-29 01:16 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-29 11:49 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-29 13:31 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-08-29 13:50 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 14:24 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-29 08:52 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 21:27 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 08:14 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-30 18:42 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-30 19:20 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-14 10:16 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-09-14 09:25 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-15 21:43 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-29 22:57 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-30 11:38 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-30 08:28 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-30 18:54 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-30 23:42 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-07 18:30 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-07 22:48 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-26 18:00 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-26 20:36 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-09-27 08:03 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-29 07:28 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 14:30 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-29 16:19 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 21:29 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-08-29 18:44 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-29 21:36 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-30 19:17 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-14 09:59 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-09-15 21:47 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-09-16 07:27 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-30 02:53 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-08-30 14:33 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-30 23:36 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-14 10:06 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-14 09:34 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-14 19:10 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-14 22:25 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-09-15 09:06 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-16 17:28 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-09-30 20:04 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 22:08 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-09-15 15:51 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-09-15 21:55 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-15 21:32 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-09-15 15:54 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-09-16 17:30 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Sebastian <sebastian@here.com.invalid> - 2024-08-28 02:48 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-28 08:25 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-28 16:41 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-28 18:23 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-28 16:41 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-26 23:51 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-27 02:49 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-26 23:32 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-22 09:02 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-22 12:47 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 00:19 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-23 09:19 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 08:29 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-23 12:04 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 22:52 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-23 13:36 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 07:38 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-21 11:11 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:43 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-22 13:00 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-22 13:30 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-22 15:28 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-22 16:56 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-08-22 16:31 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-08-22 17:55 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-22 17:38 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-22 17:48 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-22 17:36 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-08-22 17:47 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-22 20:28 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-22 20:28 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-22 18:54 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-23 00:15 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-23 09:33 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Bozo User <anthk@disroot.org> - 2024-09-30 20:04 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-30 22:10 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-21 07:27 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-21 11:15 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-21 08:37 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-21 21:18 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-25 16:32 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-25 21:59 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 01:05 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-08-21 08:45 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 23:42 +0000
              Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-08-16 14:57 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 23:27 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-17 01:01 +0000
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                Re: on Perl Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-04-16 19:59 +0000
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                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 02:45 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:44 +0200
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