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Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement

From Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement
Date 2024-07-05 10:50 -0400
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On 7/5/24 8:19 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 7/5/2024 3:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>> Op 04.jul.2024 om 22:18 schreef olcott:
>>> On 7/4/2024 3:04 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 04.jul.2024 om 21:45 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 7/4/2024 2:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>> Op 04.jul.2024 om 21:30 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>> On 7/4/2024 2:26 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I showed that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I proved otherwise, Liar.
>>>>>>> https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, this trace supports my claim. When we look at this trace we 
>>>>>> see that 
>>>>>
>>>>> HHH is simulating itself simulating DDD until it sees
>>>>> that DDD is calling HHH in recursive simulation such
>>>>> that neither the simulated DDD nor the simulated HHH
>>>>> can possibly stop running unless HHH aborts its DDD.
>>>>
>>>> The 'unless HHH aborts ...' is irrelevant and misleading, 
>>>
>>> Not at all. Not in the least little bit.
>>> A halt decider must PREDICT what its input would do.
>>
>> Yes and when it must predict what a simulator that is programmed to 
>> abort would do, it should predict that the it will abort and halt. If 
>> it predicts something different, then it is incorrect.
>> If it aborts and ignore that last part of the input, it is incorrect.
>>
> 
> When a bear is running at you to kill you it is not
> enough that you only predict that you will shoot the
> bear. You must actually shoot the bear or you will be killed.

And if you don't have a big enough gun, you die.

H can do NOTHING to change the behavior of the input, so it doesn't have 
a big enough gun to kill it.

If the bear was blind, you might be able to zig or zag and get out of 
its way, but this bear knows exactly what you are going to do, just like 
a heat seeking missle, so it WILL catch you.

So, H is just dead as a Halt Decider. It turns out that every Halt 
Decider has a machine like H^ that just is its kryptonite. This just 
shows that the generative power of computation is more powerful then the 
deductive power of it.

> 
>>> Professor Sipser recognized this as inherently correct.
>>
>> But that did not apply, because its context was a *correct* 
>> simulation. His agreement does not include *incorrect* simulations.
>> Sipser would agree that HHH, when aborting a simulation of itself and 
>> missing the last part of the input is incorrect.
>>
>>>
>>> Introduction to the Theory of Computation, by Michael Sipser
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael-Sipser/dp/113318779X/
>>>
>>> He is the #1 best selling author of textbooks on computation
>>> theory. Ben did contact him to verify that he did say this.
>>>
>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>
>> Note the word 'correctly'. So, it does not apply to the simulation of 
>> HHH by itself, which cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
>>
>>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>>
>>>      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>
>>> Ben also agreed that D correctly simulated by H DOES MEET THIS CRITERIA.
>>>
>>> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>  > I don't think that is the shell game.  PO really /has/ an H (it's
>>>  > trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines that P(P)
>>>  > *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.
>>> ...
>>>  > But H determines (correctly) that D would not halt if it were not
>>>  > halted.  That much is a truism.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-06 17:00 +0200
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                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 11:24 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-06 15:26 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 11:28 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 13:23 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-06 17:29 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 11:30 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 13:25 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-06 20:55 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 14:14 -0500
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                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 16:27 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 16:02 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 17:06 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 16:08 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 17:31 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 16:40 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 17:51 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 16:55 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 18:16 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 17:20 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 18:23 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 17:44 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 18:49 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 18:09 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 19:21 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 18:28 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 19:30 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 18:54 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 20:20 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 19:26 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 20:50 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 19:58 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 21:27 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 20:31 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 21:42 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 20:49 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a Liar !!! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 22:09 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 21:17 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott is a Liar !!! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 22:30 -0400
                Richard is a Liar olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 21:44 -0500
                Re: Richard is a Liar Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 23:07 -0400
                Re: Richard is a Liar olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 22:36 -0500
                Re: Olcott is a Liar Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 07:13 -0400
                Is Richard a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:11 -0500
                Re: Is Richard a Liar? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-07 13:15 +0000
                Re: Is Richard a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:37 -0500
                Re: Olcott IS a Liar! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 13:28 -0400
                Re: Richard is a Liar Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-08 10:48 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-07 10:19 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:58 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a LIAR. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 13:42 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-08 10:34 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-07 08:41 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:46 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 13:28 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-08 15:08 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:56 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:24 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-08 15:50 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott lies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 19:26 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 11:07 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-08 18:16 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 12:36 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:14 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:14 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:51 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:18 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 08:37 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:11 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 09:17 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-10 16:46 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 18:35 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 18:27 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 09:56 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:40 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-12 10:49 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:07 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 10:48 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 07:07 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-13 09:15 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-13 13:20 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-14 10:43 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 09:15 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 07:15 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-13 14:28 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-13 14:38 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Petr Olcott --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-13 09:15 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott lies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 09:50 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 09:16 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-11 22:08 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-12 10:55 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-12 08:07 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-13 10:46 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 06:57 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-13 09:15 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-14 10:56 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 09:26 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:06 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:51 -0400
                a complete emulation of this input could be done --- Liar olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 22:18 -0500
                Re: a complete emulation of this input could be done --- Liar Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 07:24 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 10:04 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-08 18:04 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott found lying. Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-08 19:26 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-08 16:25 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 10:50 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-05 10:02 +0000
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 07:22 -0500
      Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-05 09:49 +0000
        Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 07:20 -0500
          Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-05 12:26 +0000
            Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 07:43 -0500
              Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-05 16:02 +0200
              Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 10:56 -0400
              Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-06 09:33 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-06 07:54 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-06 10:28 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-07 10:29 +0300
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 08:52 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-07 13:42 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-08 11:01 +0300
          Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-05 14:29 +0200
            Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 08:04 -0500
              Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-05 16:10 +0200
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 09:13 -0500
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 11:02 -0400
                Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-05 17:59 +0200
              Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 10:59 -0400
          Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 10:52 -0400
  Re: Liar detector: Peter OLCOTT YES! Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
    Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 19:36 -0500
      Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 21:12 -0400
        Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 20:30 -0500
          Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 21:53 -0400
            Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Barb Knox <Barb@sig.below> - 2024-07-09 18:09 +1200
              Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-09 09:48 +0300
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:31 -0500
                Re: Peter Olcott seems to continue to blatantly lie Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 22:51 -0400
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-10 10:06 +0300
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 08:35 -0500
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-10 18:25 +0000
                Re: Peter Olcott seems to continue to blatantly lie Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-10 20:01 -0400
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-11 10:01 +0300
              Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-07-09 10:58 +0200
              Re: Peter Olcott seems to continue to blatantly lie Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-09 07:29 -0400
              Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this Ben Bacarisse <ben@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-07-09 13:29 +0100
                Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- A clearer explanation for Ben olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 09:03 -0500
              Re: Richard seems to continue to blatantly lie -- I hope I am wrong about this olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 08:27 -0500
  Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:02 +0300

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