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Where are my backup files?

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First post2021-01-31 13:22 -0800
Last post2021-02-02 20:46 +0000
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  Where are my backup files? "nelso...@gmail.com" <nelsonse48@gmail.com> - 2021-01-31 13:22 -0800
    Re: Where are my backup files? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-01-31 15:11 -0700
    Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-01-31 22:42 +0000
    Re: Where are my backup files? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-01-31 23:12 +0000
      Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-01 14:06 +0000
        Re: Where are my backup files? "nelso...@gmail.com" <nelsonse48@gmail.com> - 2021-02-01 07:19 -0800
          Re: Where are my backup files? Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2021-02-01 10:01 -0700
          Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-01 18:28 +0000
            Re: Where are my backup files? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-02 12:24 +0000
              Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-02 20:55 +0000
                Re: Where are my backup files? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2021-02-02 21:39 +0000
                  Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-02 23:41 +0000
                  Re: Where are my backup files? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-02-03 12:58 -0500
                    Re: Where are my backup files? Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2021-02-04 12:03 +0200
                Re: Where are my backup files? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2021-02-03 18:30 +0000
                  Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-03 22:08 +0000
          Re: Where are my backup files? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-02 12:23 +0000
    Re: Where are my backup files? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2021-02-02 14:59 +0000
      Re: Where are my backup files? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-02 15:01 +0000
        Re: Where are my backup files? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-02 15:46 +0000
          Re: Where are my backup files? Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2021-02-02 17:10 +0000
            Re: Where are my backup files? Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2021-02-02 18:48 +0000
          Re: Where are my backup files? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-03 11:44 +0000
            Re: Where are my backup files? Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> - 2021-02-03 12:03 +0000
              Re: Where are my backup files? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-03 12:27 +0000
              Re: Where are my backup files? "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2021-02-03 14:08 +0000
              Re: Where are my backup files? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-03 14:34 +0000
                Re: Where are my backup files? Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2021-02-05 07:14 +0200
                  Re: Where are my backup files? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-05 14:55 +0000
                    Re: Where are my backup files? Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2021-02-06 15:48 +0200
                      Re: Where are my backup files? "A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid> - 2021-02-06 17:16 +0100
            Re: Where are my backup files? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-02-03 12:27 +0000
              Re: Where are my backup files? jornws200602@xs4all.nl (Oscar) - 2021-02-03 14:18 +0000
                Re: Where are my backup files? David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2021-02-03 19:01 +0000
                  Re: Where are my backup files? Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2021-02-05 07:15 +0200
        Re: Where are my backup files? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2021-02-02 19:01 +0000
        Re: Where are my backup files? Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2021-02-02 21:38 +0200
        Re: Where are my backup files? mjb@signal11.invalid (Mike) - 2021-02-02 20:46 +0000

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#26099

FromJim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk>
Date2021-02-02 17:10 +0000
Message-ID<slrns1j1t3.6ej.jj@iridium.wf32df>
In reply to#26097
On 2021-02-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/02/2021 15:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>> Glad to see in the thread that you have located & recovered your files
>>>
>>> as a side topic another good recovery tool is photorec
>> 
>> Better still, keep backups.
>> 
>> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
>> of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)
>> 
>
> Pedant.
>

Richard was not on his own, I thought the same thing! But I was glad 
things turned out ok.

A few years ago I lost backup files when my backup disk died. New disk - 
new backup and no problem.

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#26100

FromMartin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid>
Date2021-02-02 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<rvc6p1$9dn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26099
On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 17:10:59 +0000, Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2021-02-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 02/02/2021 15:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>> Glad to see in the thread that you have located & recovered your
>>>> files
>>>>
>>>> as a side topic another good recovery tool is photorec
>>> 
>>> Better still, keep backups.
>>> 
>>> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then
>>> instead of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)
>>> 
>>> 
>> Pedant.
>>
>>
> Richard was not on his own, I thought the same thing! But I was glad
> things turned out ok.
> 
> A few years ago I lost backup files when my backup disk died. New disk -
> new backup and no problem.

I assume you now always run fsck on the backup disk after the backup and 
that you use a cycle of at least two disks for each set of data that you 
back up. 



--  
Martin    | martin at
Gregorie  | gregorie dot org

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#26109

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-02-03 11:44 +0000
Message-ID<87mtwlml4a.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#26097
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 02/02/2021 15:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>> Glad to see in the thread that you have located & recovered your files
>>>
>>> as a side topic another good recovery tool is photorec
>>
>> Better still, keep backups.
>>
>> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
>> of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)
>
> Pedant.

Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
failed without warning the other day.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#26110

FromPancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com>
Date2021-02-03 12:03 +0000
Message-ID<rve3fb$vsl$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26109
On 03/02/2021 11:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

>> Pedant.
> 
> Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
> failed without warning the other day.
> 

Surely you lost the SD card?

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#26112

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-02-03 12:27 +0000
Message-ID<rve4s0$cg4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26110
On 03/02/2021 12:03, Pancho wrote:
> On 03/02/2021 11:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> 
>>> Pedant.
>>
>> Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
>> failed without warning the other day.
>>
> 
> Surely you lost the SD card?

Pedant :-)


-- 
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

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#26113

From"NY" <me@privacy.invalid>
Date2021-02-03 14:08 +0000
Message-ID<rveaqk$tib$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26110

"Pancho" <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote in message 
news:rve3fb$vsl$1@dont-email.me...
> On 03/02/2021 11:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>>> Pedant.
>>
>> Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
>> failed without warning the other day.
>>
>
> Surely you lost the SD card?

Not necessarily. It may have been that the boot files on the SD card became 
corrupted but the card was still capable of storing data once the card was 
restored from a disk image.

This happened to me once with my Pi3. It had rebooted many times. There 
hadn't been a power cut since the last time it had successfully booted (ie 
unlikely to have failed to flush buffers). I hadn't installed any software 
updates since the last successful boot. But a normal "Reboot", like I'd done 
many times before, failed very early on in the boot process. I couldn't find 
any workaround for the error message that I got, so I had to reinstall 
everything - from NOOBS onwards. It was after this that I wrote a crib sheet 
of all the customisations I'd made and software I'd installed, and I make a 
fresh disk image (shutdown, moved SD card to Windows PC, run 
Win32DiskImager, move card back to PI and reboot) every few months. I didn't 
lose any user data (apart from the configurations of channels in the 
TVHeadend PVR software) because all the data (TV recordings) are stored on a 
separate spinning HDD rather than on the SD card. I also back up those 
recordings using SyncToy on Windows, accessing them via SMB share.

It's the only time I've had a failure like this. I've carried on using the 
same SD card for several years since and it's never gone wrong again.

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#26115

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-02-03 14:34 +0000
Message-ID<87eehxmd8b.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#26110
Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> writes:
> On 03/02/2021 11:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> Pedant.
>>
>> Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
>> failed without warning the other day.
>
> Surely you lost the SD card?

l-) yes, it’s a very small coaster now. Also an hour or so figuring out
how to turn my backup back into a bootable system.

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#26121

FromDr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date2021-02-05 07:14 +0200
Message-ID<i842i3Fh23dU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#26115
WOuld you mind posting the steps?

el


On 2021-02-03 16:34 , Richard Kettlewell wrote:
[...]
> l-) yes, it’s a very small coaster now. Also an hour or so figuring out
> how to turn my backup back into a bootable system.

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#26127

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-02-05 14:55 +0000
Message-ID<878s82mumw.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#26121
Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> writes:
> On 2021-02-03 16:34 , Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> l-) yes, it’s a very small coaster now. Also an hour or so figuring out
>> how to turn my backup back into a bootable system.
> WOuld you mind posting the steps?

https://github.com/ewxrjk/pinotes/blob/main/restore.md

-- 
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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#26128

FromDr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date2021-02-06 15:48 +0200
Message-ID<i87l18F7v0hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#26127
Thank you,

el

On 2021-02-05 16:55 , Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> writes:
>> On 2021-02-03 16:34 , Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> l-) yes, it’s a very small coaster now. Also an hour or so figuring out
>>> how to turn my backup back into a bootable system.
>> WOuld you mind posting the steps?
> 
> https://github.com/ewxrjk/pinotes/blob/main/restore.md
>

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#26130

From"A. Dumas" <alexandre@dumas.fr.invalid>
Date2021-02-06 17:16 +0100
Message-ID<601ec0cd$0$27915$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#26128
Op 06-02-2021 om 14:48 schreef Dr Eberhard W Lisse:
> Thank you,

Please don't top-post, "Dr."

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#26111

FromThe Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Date2021-02-03 12:27 +0000
Message-ID<rve4r3$cg4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#26109
On 03/02/2021 11:44, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> On 02/02/2021 15:01, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> writes:
>>>> Glad to see in the thread that you have located & recovered your files
>>>>
>>>> as a side topic another good recovery tool is photorec
>>>
>>> Better still, keep backups.
>>>
>>> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
>>> of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)
>>
>> Pedant.
> 
> Specifically, a pedant who didn’t lose anything when his Pi’s SD card
> failed without warning the other day.
> 
I should hope not.

But the pedantry was the strict 'one true stick' interpretation of what 
is meant by 'backup'.



-- 
When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over 
the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that 
authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

  Frédéric Bastiat

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#26114

Fromjornws200602@xs4all.nl (Oscar)
Date2021-02-03 14:18 +0000
Message-ID<601ab0b5$0$11321$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#26111
In article <rve4r3$cg4$1@dont-email.me>,
The Natural Philosopher  <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>But the pedantry was the strict 'one true stick' interpretation of what 
>is meant by 'backup'.

Saw a cartoon the other day along the lines of:


Tech Support:
	Did you back up?

Scared customer:
	Why? Is it going to explode?


Yes, it's an ambiguous word.
-- 
[J|O|R] <- .signature.gz

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#26118

FromDavid Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk>
Date2021-02-03 19:01 +0000
Message-ID<406220f958.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
In reply to#26114
In message <601ab0b5$0$11321$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
          jornws200602@xs4all.nl (Oscar) wrote:

>Saw a cartoon the other day along the lines of:
>
>
>Tech Support:
>	Did you back up?
>
>Scared customer:
>	Why? Is it going to explode?
>
>
>Yes, it's an ambiguous word.

"Have you put the cat out?"

"I didn't realise it was on fire."

David

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#26122

FromDr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date2021-02-05 07:15 +0200
Message-ID<i842jkFh23dU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#26118
Backup is for sissies :-)-O

el

On 2021-02-03 21:01 , David Higton wrote:
> In message <601ab0b5$0$11321$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
>           jornws200602@xs4all.nl (Oscar) wrote:
> 
>> Saw a cartoon the other day along the lines of:
>>
>>
>> Tech Support:
>> 	Did you back up?
>>
>> Scared customer:
>> 	Why? Is it going to explode?
>>
>>
>> Yes, it's an ambiguous word.
> 
> "Have you put the cat out?"
> 
> "I didn't realise it was on fire."
> 
> David
>

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#26101

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2021-02-02 19:01 +0000
Message-ID<20210202190137.2ef08492c43886f66afe6162@eircom.net>
In reply to#26096
On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 15:01:47 +0000
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
> of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)

	Perhaps it is more of an archive than a backup.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:\>WIN                                     | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#26102

FromDr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date2021-02-02 21:38 +0200
Message-ID<i7to2hF9ql6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#26096
Exactly what I was thinking.

If it is only a backup, reformat the NAS drive and run a full backup.

el

On 2021-02-02 17:01 , Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> writes:
>> Glad to see in the thread that you have located & recovered your files
>>
>> as a side topic another good recovery tool is photorec
> 
> Better still, keep backups.
> 
> (The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
> of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)
>

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#26103

Frommjb@signal11.invalid (Mike)
Date2021-02-02 20:46 +0000
Message-ID<rvcdmu$8nb$1@posie.signal11.org.uk>
In reply to#26096
In article <87sg6ems2s.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>,
Richard Kettlewell  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>(The thread is puzzlingly titled. If they are backup files then instead
>of trying to recover them, why not just make a new backup?)

Hopefully, not the sort of "backup" as mis-used in the sentence :-

"I moved all my critical work files off my main machine onto my
external backup drive, which has now fallen off the desk and is
making grinding noises. How do I recover my backup?"

Key word that gives me chills: "moved". Uh oh. 

Did you mean copied?

"No, moved, to make space" ...

(Uh oh)^2 ...
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