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| Started by | Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> |
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| First post | 2017-02-19 09:50 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-02-20 10:38 +1100 |
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One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-19 09:50 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 14:59 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 15:39 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 10:38 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-19 15:51 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 10:55 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2017-02-20 19:06 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-20 16:02 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-20 16:03 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-02-20 13:46 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-19 16:11 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-02-19 08:44 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-19 12:16 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2017-02-19 17:01 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-19 18:25 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-19 11:59 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 19:58 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:00 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 15:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 15:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-19 20:33 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? MeV <michael.vilain@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 12:35 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 20:50 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-20 02:07 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 21:18 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 03:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-19 21:31 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 03:27 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-20 15:32 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-20 17:35 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-19 16:39 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-25 15:13 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-25 18:33 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-02-25 18:04 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-27 12:16 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-26 06:48 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-27 12:25 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 12:28 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 18:26 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 16:40 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-27 11:50 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-01 11:28 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-01 10:53 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-01 15:50 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-03 09:30 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-01 11:35 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-01 18:53 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-03 14:23 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 19:41 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 20:55 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:04 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 21:49 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-03 23:25 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-04 06:24 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-04 16:02 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-04 22:26 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-06 15:03 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-06 20:52 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-07 12:00 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:18 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-10 12:51 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-11 10:18 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 22:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 01:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:57 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 22:06 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:44 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-14 19:42 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-14 04:29 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? guess.who@guesswho.com - 2017-03-14 04:55 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:12 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:10 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-15 13:31 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-16 13:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 14:15 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:08 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-15 13:36 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-16 14:15 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 19:50 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-18 13:59 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-17 09:02 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-18 13:56 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-22 17:17 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-23 10:43 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-22 23:47 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:52 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-23 04:34 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:57 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-23 16:03 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-11 09:12 +1100
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 00:44 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-05 01:07 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-04 08:08 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-20 10:38 +1100
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| From | Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-27 11:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o91scu$adq$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #101373 |
On 2/27/17 10:25 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> On 2/26/17 8:48 a, Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 2/25/17 1:13 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
>>> I had what I presume is a similar AV offer from my ISP, Time-Warner (now
>>> Spectrum), except the software was Avast. This software is truly free.
>>> However, the rub is that on the very first launch and by the way they
>>> structure their prefs dialogs, Avast badgers you to subscribe to its
>>> personal or business versions of Avast Online Security, Avast Passwords,
>>> Avast SecureLine VPN, and on and on because "Oh my Good, we're all gonna
>>> die if we don't pay for Avast's AV products!!!". That's where they hope
>>> to cash in on the free teaser software.
>>
>> I don't know about the Mac version, but in the settings for the Windows
>> version, there is an option to turn on Silent Gaming Mode, and most if
>> not all of the badgering will stop. AFAIK, all the free versions of AV
>> software will do this to you.
>>
>> I use Avira on my systems, consistently scores higher at AV-Comparatives
>> and Virus Bulletin. And I get the badgering, but only on boot up.
>> Mostly on the Windows systems, though.
>
> I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't
> have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X
> in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their
> services and have turned off auto-update.
Hi, Fred,
It's easily understandable you'd get that message if the definitions are
not up to date. Manually update the definitions and program, see if
your warning goes away. If you are truly running the Free version, and
didn't accidentally install the Trial version, I wouldn't think the
non-purchase of their program would cause that. It would be a PR
disaster to do that.
I never turn off the updates in my free version, and the only time it
comes up for me is when the computer hasn't been regularly turned on so
the updates can occur.
I only have Avast installed on my XP/Vista computer. With the current
program, when you open Avast, there is a gear icon in the upper right
corner of the dialogue. Open it, then the General option. Silent
gaming mode is the 2nd option above Sounds.
It's always possible the option is not in the Mac version, but I'd be
surprised it's not there somewhere.
> My much bigger gripe is that it seems to preventing sleep because of its
> update daemon, even though it's turned off. At least that's the
> conclusion I reached from reading the Console logs, though I'm an
> amateur at that. I may uninstall it to see if it fixes this. If so, I'll
> look into Avira.
Always possible that is a bug in the version of the program you have
installed.
I always get something of a kick about the arguments of the value of
even having the software. I posted early on in Wade's thread about my
position, which a couple others agreed with later on.
User habits and practices plays a big part in this, and it is more
prevalent an issue with Windows systems. But it's not impossible for
Mac and Linux.
There's also the "tinkerer's" group, the ones that like to selectively
do something. Like the Windows users who look at the updates provided
by MS and decide which ones they need and don't need, then install
accordingly. Then later, it's generally those users who are having
problems. Me, I just install them, MS knows a helluva lot more about
Windows innards than I do. Know what? I've never ever had a problem
that I could identify as being caused by a Windows update.
My first post explained why I run AV software on my Mac. All the
naysayers disagreed, which is fine. It's my computer, my friends, my
family, so it's my choice.
FWIW, none of the naysayers said anything I haven't known for years.
What matters is what you think you should do, for you, your family, and
your friends.
--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 51.0.1 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 45.7.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 11:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o96sog$pl4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101384 |
On 2/27/17 1:50 p, Ken Springer wrote: > On 2/27/17 10:25 AM, Fred Moore wrote: >> I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't >> have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X >> in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their >> services and have turned off auto-update. > > Hi, Fred, > > It's easily understandable you'd get that message if the definitions are > not up to date. Manually update the definitions and program, see if > your warning goes away. If you are truly running the Free version, and > didn't accidentally install the Trial version, I wouldn't think the > non-purchase of their program would cause that. It would be a PR > disaster to do that. Thanks for responding, Ken. I do (did, see below) have the free version. > I never turn off the updates in my free version, and the only time it > comes up for me is when the computer hasn't been regularly turned on so > the updates can occur. I don't like software going out downloading stuff without my explicit knowledge and approval. Apple's security updates are the only things I want to have this privilege. Avast does tell me updates for defns and app are available. I don't like that either, but I can live with it. I see no reason to install updates except when I'm about to run a scan. > I only have Avast installed on my XP/Vista computer. With the current > program, when you open Avast, there is a gear icon in the upper right > corner of the dialogue. Open it, then the General option. Silent > gaming mode is the 2nd option above Sounds. The only gear wheel on my Mac Avast version is on the lower right. No reference to Gaming mode you referenced. I rechecked every pref in sight and no automatic anything is turned on. > It's always possible the option is not in the Mac version, but I'd be > surprised it's not there somewhere. > >> My much bigger gripe is that it seems to preventing sleep because of its >> update daemon, even though it's turned off. At least that's the >> conclusion I reached from reading the Console logs, though I'm an >> amateur at that. I may uninstall it to see if it fixes this. If so, I'll >> look into Avira. > > Always possible that is a bug in the version of the program you have > installed. When the machine didn't sleep, I have checked the Console logs (I'm a complete amateur at reading them). For some strange reason when the system was given the Sleep command, this entry, and _only_ this entry, would appear noting it: com.avast.service[195]: System going to sleep Why is avast referenced here at all?!? In any event, I just uninstalled Avast and guess what? No more sleep problems! While I'd prefer to have Avast installed just to be safe, I won't tolerate messing up the system. Also, since I have had Avast installed, it only found one item, a javascript malware attached to a 2 year old email, and that was during the very first time I ran it. Thanks again for chiming in, Ken. -- And It's Just That Easy™
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| From | Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 10:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o971rd$ukc$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #101538 |
On 3/1/17 9:28 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> On 2/27/17 1:50 p, Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 2/27/17 10:25 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
>>> I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't
>>> have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X
>>> in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their
>>> services and have turned off auto-update.
>>
>> Hi, Fred,
>>
>> It's easily understandable you'd get that message if the definitions are
>> not up to date. Manually update the definitions and program, see if
>> your warning goes away. If you are truly running the Free version, and
>> didn't accidentally install the Trial version, I wouldn't think the
>> non-purchase of their program would cause that. It would be a PR
>> disaster to do that.
>
> Thanks for responding, Ken. I do (did, see below) have the free version.
You're welcome.
>> I never turn off the updates in my free version, and the only time it
>> comes up for me is when the computer hasn't been regularly turned on so
>> the updates can occur.
>
> I don't like software going out downloading stuff without my explicit
> knowledge and approval. Apple's security updates are the only things I
> want to have this privilege. Avast does tell me updates for defns and
> app are available. I don't like that either, but I can live with it. I
> see no reason to install updates except when I'm about to run a scan.
The inherent danger in only doing scans manually is a piece of malware
could enter your system, whether it affects your Mac or not. And then
you inadvertently pass it on before you know about it.
>> I only have Avast installed on my XP/Vista computer. With the current
>> program, when you open Avast, there is a gear icon in the upper right
>> corner of the dialogue. Open it, then the General option. Silent
>> gaming mode is the 2nd option above Sounds.
>
> The only gear wheel on my Mac Avast version is on the lower right. No
> reference to Gaming mode you referenced. I rechecked every pref in sight
> and no automatic anything is turned on.
OK. Maybe Avast thinks there are no serious gamers on a Mac. And there
may not be, I don't know since I'm not a gamer. The last time I bought
a computer game was when I was using my first computer, and Atari 800. LOL
>> It's always possible the option is not in the Mac version, but I'd be
>> surprised it's not there somewhere.
>>
>>> My much bigger gripe is that it seems to preventing sleep because of its
>>> update daemon, even though it's turned off. At least that's the
>>> conclusion I reached from reading the Console logs, though I'm an
>>> amateur at that. I may uninstall it to see if it fixes this. If so, I'll
>>> look into Avira.
>>
>> Always possible that is a bug in the version of the program you have
>> installed.
>
> When the machine didn't sleep, I have checked the Console logs (I'm a
> complete amateur at reading them). For some strange reason when the
> system was given the Sleep command, this entry, and _only_ this entry,
> would appear noting it:
>
> com.avast.service[195]: System going to sleep
>
> Why is avast referenced here at all?!?
That is a question I cannot answer. The area of computing that involves
console logs etc. has never interested me. My interest has always been
"What can this thing do for me?" So trying different word processors,
graphic programs, etc. to find out what a computer can actually
accomplish is what I like.
> In any event, I just uninstalled Avast and guess what? No more sleep
> problems! While I'd prefer to have Avast installed just to be safe, I
> won't tolerate messing up the system. Also, since I have had Avast
> installed, it only found one item, a javascript malware attached to a 2
> year old email, and that was during the very first time I ran it.
I don't think how many pieces of malware you find is a valid reason to
not have AV software. It only takes 1 accident to total your car. It
only takes 1 heart attack to be fatal. It only takes 1 piece of malware
to trash your system.
I run Avira Free here. As I mentioned earlier, it consistently scores
higher than Avast. But both score higher than most. Every once in a
while, it finds something. But I don't bother to find out what it
found, if it's suspicious I want it gone, period. I do suspect that
most if not all of the suspicious "finds" are Windows malware of some type.
One thing not mentioned so fare has been ransomware. I've no idea how
many Mac users, if any, have been hit with this type of malware. Same
for browser hijackers.
<snip>
--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 51.0.1 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 45.7.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 13:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <010320171324278223%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101545 |
In article <o971rd$ukc$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote: > > > In any event, I just uninstalled Avast and guess what? No more sleep > > problems! While I'd prefer to have Avast installed just to be safe, I > > won't tolerate messing up the system. Also, since I have had Avast > > installed, it only found one item, a javascript malware attached to a 2 > > year old email, and that was during the very first time I ran it. > > I don't think how many pieces of malware you find is a valid reason to > not have AV software. It only takes 1 accident to total your car. It > only takes 1 heart attack to be fatal. It only takes 1 piece of malware > to trash your system. it only takes one infection to send you to the hospital. do you take antibiotics even though you aren't sick, to protect against some unknown future infection, the type of which you don't even know and for which the medication won't have any effect anyway? do you wear a crash helmet while driving? one crash, even minor, can send you to the hospital too. you can't be too careful. anti-malware apps can't protect against future malware threats because malware is designed to not be detected. they can only protect against known threats and by the time they're known, the malware has already hit. don't run apps from sources you don't trust and the risk is essentially zero. however, in the unlikely event that malware trashes your system, just reformat and restore from backup. it's a minor hassle, but that's about it. > I run Avira Free here. As I mentioned earlier, it consistently scores > higher than Avast. But both score higher than most. Every once in a > while, it finds something. But I don't bother to find out what it > found, if it's suspicious I want it gone, period. I do suspect that > most if not all of the suspicious "finds" are Windows malware of some type. more than likely it is windows malware, which won't do anything on a mac, making the utility completely pointless. in some cases, antivirus apps makes you *more* vulnerable than without: <http://www.zdnet.com/article/eset-software-allows-mac-remote-code-execu tion-attacks/> Researchers have discovered a bug in ESET Endpoint Antivirus software which can be exploited to perform remote execution attacks through the root of Apple Mac systems. > One thing not mentioned so fare has been ransomware. I've no idea how > many Mac users, if any, have been hit with this type of malware. Same > for browser hijackers. there was a mac ransomware instance a year or so ago embedded in a torrenting app. in other words, if you weren't pirating apps or movies, you weren't at risk. at all. and that risk was minor anyway. that particular ransomware was detected, removed and the torrent app re-released *before* the ransomware was set to activate *and* apple pulled the signing certificate for the app, so older unpatched copies *couldn't* run even if they wanted to. complete non-issue, but it made for good linkbait. there's another ransomware instance this past week or so which doesn't actually work properly. another bit of linkbait. it also doesn't make any difference whatsoever. should someone be foolish enough to click a link and end up with an encrypted hard drive, simply reformat and restore. it's a bit of a hassle but not much more than that. no files will be lost and no money will need to be paid. it's no different than if the hard drive crashed and needed to be replaced, without the hassle or expense of buying another hard drive. as long as people don't run untrusted software, there is virtually no risk.
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| From | Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 15:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o97j71$6u4$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #101547 |
On 3/1/17 11:24 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <o971rd$ukc$1@news.albasani.net>, Ken Springer
> <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> In any event, I just uninstalled Avast and guess what? No more sleep
>>> problems! While I'd prefer to have Avast installed just to be safe, I
>>> won't tolerate messing up the system. Also, since I have had Avast
>>> installed, it only found one item, a javascript malware attached to a 2
>>> year old email, and that was during the very first time I ran it.
>>
>> I don't think how many pieces of malware you find is a valid reason to
>> not have AV software. It only takes 1 accident to total your car. It
>> only takes 1 heart attack to be fatal. It only takes 1 piece of malware
>> to trash your system.
>
> it only takes one infection to send you to the hospital. do you take
> antibiotics even though you aren't sick, to protect against some
> unknown future infection, the type of which you don't even know and for
> which the medication won't have any effect anyway?
No antibiotics, but I do get a flu shot, even though I don't expect to
get the flu. And sometimes the health people guess wrong as to which
strain of flu will be prevalent, making the flu shot almost useless.
> do you wear a crash helmet while driving? one crash, even minor, can
> send you to the hospital too. you can't be too careful.
When I was riding motorcycles, you better believe I wore a helmet, even
though I was not expecting to dump the bike. But you damn well better
believe I was glad I was wearing it when I had a flat at around 70 mph
(I-80 near Kimball, Nebraska) and lost control at around 40 mph.
In a vehicle, I wear my seat belt, even though there are some accidents
where the occupant would have survived if not wearing a seat belt.
Better believe again, I was glad I was wearing it when I had that
unplanned accident that totaled my car.
> anti-malware apps can't protect against future malware threats because
> malware is designed to not be detected. they can only protect against
> known threats and by the time they're known, the malware has already
> hit.
Nothing is perfect, and anyone that believes something is, is a fool
(religious aspects not included here). Yes, the malware is already out
there by the time the software designers have updated their software.
What you hope is, that malware hit someone else and not you, and you've
updated your software so it doesn't affect you.
The same way safe crackers figure out how to get into an impenetrable
safe, then the maker has to fix that vulnerability.
> don't run apps from sources you don't trust and the risk is essentially
> zero.
I only download from the vendor's site. But some vendors have their
free software hosted elsewhere.
> however, in the unlikely event that malware trashes your system, just
> reformat and restore from backup. it's a minor hassle, but that's about
> it.
And here you are *assuming* the user has a backup that is also not
infected. And not considering that if the had been running AV software,
the user may not have become infected in the first place.
>> I run Avira Free here. As I mentioned earlier, it consistently scores
>> higher than Avast. But both score higher than most. Every once in a
>> while, it finds something. But I don't bother to find out what it
>> found, if it's suspicious I want it gone, period. I do suspect that
>> most if not all of the suspicious "finds" are Windows malware of some type.
>
> more than likely it is windows malware, which won't do anything on a
> mac, making the utility completely pointless.
More than likely it is windows malware. But some of us consider friends
and family. Maybe you don't. But, if you were to infect them, how will
they feel about you?
> in some cases, antivirus apps makes you *more* vulnerable than without:
> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/eset-software-allows-mac-remote-code-execu
> tion-attacks/>
> Researchers have discovered a bug in ESET Endpoint Antivirus software
> which can be exploited to perform remote execution attacks through
> the root of Apple Mac systems.
No piece of software is perfect, not even Apple. Apple has had to patch
OS X here and there because of vulnerabilities. And they did it after
the fact. :-)
>> One thing not mentioned so fare has been ransomware. I've no idea how
>> many Mac users, if any, have been hit with this type of malware. Same
>> for browser hijackers.
>
> there was a mac ransomware instance a year or so ago embedded in a
> torrenting app.
I had not heard about that. I rarely do any torrenting, and then it's
only on my Vista system.
> in other words, if you weren't pirating apps or movies, you weren't at
> risk. at all.
True. The torrenting I do is to get a copy of an OS disk that is no
longer available from MS (so far), and I need it to rebuild an older
computer. But I don't get cracked copies, and I don't use a keygen.
The owner of the system has to convince me his system is legal, by
having the product ID, a sticker on the computer, something to prove he
owns it and didn't install someone else's copy.
Years ago, in the XP days, I had a couple computers I needed to
reinstall XP. I had a legit MS disk, but when I tried to activate it
with the owner's product ID, it was a no go. I had to go all the way
back to the original release of XP before the product ID was accepted.
Then run updates until the system was up to date.
> and that risk was minor anyway. that particular ransomware was
> detected, removed and the torrent app re-released *before* the
> ransomware was set to activate *and* apple pulled the signing
> certificate for the app, so older unpatched copies *couldn't* run even
> if they wanted to.
>
> complete non-issue, but it made for good linkbait.
>
> there's another ransomware instance this past week or so which doesn't
> actually work properly. another bit of linkbait.
Which is why I've never run anything but free versions.
> it also doesn't make any difference whatsoever. should someone be
> foolish enough to click a link and end up with an encrypted hard drive,
> simply reformat and restore. it's a bit of a hassle but not much more
> than that. no files will be lost and no money will need to be paid.
But it takes experience and knowledge to learn not to click that link,
open that email, etc. And as I mentioned above, the user likely will
not have a backup.
> it's no different than if the hard drive crashed and needed to be
> replaced, without the hassle or expense of buying another hard drive.
Yeppers.
> as long as people don't run untrusted software, there is virtually no
> risk.
And again, not running untrusted software is some thing you learn not to
do. And AFAIK, no one is born with that knowledge. We haven't become
part of the Borg Collective yet. <G>
--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 51.0.1 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 45.7.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
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| From | dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1n29449.711osmuwllejN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net> |
| In reply to | #101545 |
Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote: > One thing not mentioned so fare has been ransomware. I've no idea how > many Mac users, if any, have been hit with this type of malware. Same > for browser hijackers. I don't run any anti-virus for reasons that others have stated. But I do run Little Snitch, and I am evaluating Little Flocker (still not sure if the latter is worth bothering with)> Both can warn and prevent certain forms of malware. -- <http://www.decohen.com> The Labyrinth of the Heart: Changed Myths for Changing Lives book and e-book <http://www.decohen.com/labyrinth.htm> Send e-mail to the Reply-To address, not the From address.
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| From | Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 09:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <o9c5md$hec$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #101684 |
On 3/2/17 1:42 PM, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> wrote:
>
>> One thing not mentioned so fare has been ransomware. I've no idea how
>> many Mac users, if any, have been hit with this type of malware. Same
>> for browser hijackers.
>
> I don't run any anti-virus for reasons that others have stated.
>
> But I do run Little Snitch, and I am evaluating Little Flocker (still
> not sure if the latter is worth bothering with)> Both can warn and
> prevent certain forms of malware.
So the reality is, while both are not advertised as AV software, they
actually perform limited AV functions.
Don't you just love grey areas? LOL
--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 51.0.1 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 45.7.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobakrk.2rv5.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101373 |
In message <o91nab$cn8$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't > have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X > in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their > services and have turned off auto-update. Turning off auto-update on an Anti Virus program is... well, tehre's no other word for it but asinine. If you're going to bother running you, you have to keep it up-to-date. And that is the only reason for the red X. You do not have to buy any of Avast's addons. > My much bigger gripe is that it seems to preventing sleep because of its > update daemon, even though it's turned off. At least that's the > conclusion I reached from reading the Console logs, though I'm an > amateur at that. I may uninstall it to see if it fixes this. If so, I'll > look into Avira. Console logs are unlikely to show you that. pmset will tell you, however. -- The Salvation Army Band played and the children drunk lemonade and the morning lasted all day, all day. And through an open window came like Sinatra in a younger day pushing the town away
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 11:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o96t4b$r7t$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101419 |
On 2/28/17 5:37 a, Lewis wrote: > In message <o91nab$cn8$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >> I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't >> have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X >> in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their >> services and have turned off auto-update. > > Turning off auto-update on an Anti Virus program is... well, tehre's no > other word for it but asinine. If you're going to bother running you, > you have to keep it up-to-date. I only run Avast manually. I always update the app and the defns before running it, so I don't see a problem. > And that is the only reason for the red X. You do not have to buy any of > Avast's addons. But it's their _presumption_ that I'm not protected because I don't run it automatically, which I think goes out and updates the definitions without my advance approval. >> My much bigger gripe is that it seems to preventing sleep because of its >> update daemon, even though it's turned off. At least that's the >> conclusion I reached from reading the Console logs, though I'm an >> amateur at that. I may uninstall it to see if it fixes this. If so, I'll >> look into Avira. > > Console logs are unlikely to show you that. pmset will tell you, > however. I'm somewhat familiar with pmset for setting sleep etc. How do you get it to tell you what is going on?
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 18:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobe694.26dp.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101539 |
In message <o96t4b$r7t$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 2/28/17 5:37 a, Lewis wrote: >> In message <o91nab$cn8$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>> I couldn't find Silent Gaming Mode on my Mac Avast. At least it doesn't >>> have any dancing popups, but it does open with a window with a big red X >>> in a circle and 'You Are Not Protected!' since I haven't bought their >>> services and have turned off auto-update. >> >> Turning off auto-update on an Anti Virus program is... well, tehre's no >> other word for it but asinine. If you're going to bother running you, >> you have to keep it up-to-date. > I only run Avast manually. I always update the app and the defns before > running it, so I don't see a problem. >> And that is the only reason for the red X. You do not have to buy any of >> Avast's addons. > But it's their _presumption_ that I'm not protected because I don't run > it automatically, which I think goes out and updates the definitions > without my advance approval. If the definitions are not up to date, you are not protected. Out of date antivirus is worse than no anti-virus at all. >> Console logs are unlikely to show you that. pmset will tell you, >> however. > I'm somewhat familiar with pmset for setting sleep etc. How do you get > it to tell you what is going on? pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. -- 'Everything will be all right. From History's point of view, that is. There really isn't any other.'
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 14:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o9cfnj$d62$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101556 |
On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: > pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. How about the assertionslog argument? pmset -g assertionslog Will that just show processes preventing sleep? And how long will the list be? Since the last boot? One of my biggest problems with Terminal commands is being overwhelmed with data I don't need. -- Hey, Baby, I'm a climate scientist. Wanna take a close look at my data?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 19:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ehtv87FohtqU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101734 |
On 2017-03-03, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: >> pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. > > As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display > _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. > > How about the assertionslog argument? > > pmset -g assertionslog > > Will that just show processes preventing sleep? Don't bother with assertionslog - just use: pmset -g assertions > And how long will the list be? Since the last boot? Since last boot sounds right. > One of my biggest problems with Terminal commands is being overwhelmed > with data I don't need. You are most interested in anything that lists PreventUserIdleSystemSleep in that listing. And you can always post the full list here if you need help interpreting it. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 20:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobjm6a.31b8.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101734 |
In message <o9cfnj$d62$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: >> pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. > As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display > _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. -- Is it my imagination, or do buffalo wings taste like chicken?
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 21:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobjmmv.31b8.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101734 |
In message <o9cfnj$d62$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: >> pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. > As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display > _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. # pmset -g System-wide power settings: Currently in use: standbydelay 4200 standby 1 womp 1 halfdim 1 hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage sms 1 networkoversleep 0 disksleep 10 sleep 0 (sleep prevented by apsd) autopoweroffdelay 28800 hibernatemode 3 autopoweroff 1 ttyskeepawake 1 displaysleep 60 acwake 0 lidwake 1 currently, the apsd daemon is preventing my laptop from sleeping. If nothing shows up there, nothing is preventing sleep. (the next time I ran pmset -g it showed nothing there. My laptop is on power and is set to not sleep, which is why it shows 0. When I unplug it the number changes to 10. > pmset -g assertionslog That is simply wordier and sometimes shows processes that do not, in fact, prevent sleep (like currently shows IODisplayWrangler). I used to have alias chksleep='pmset -g | grep "\bsleep\b"' many years ago. -- Han Solo: Damn fool, I knew you were going to say that. Ben: Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 21:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ehu6n9Fq9iiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101737 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <o9cfnj$d62$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >> On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: >>> pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. > >> As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display >> _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. > > # pmset -g > System-wide power settings: > Currently in use: > standbydelay 4200 > standby 1 > womp 1 > halfdim 1 > hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage > sms 1 > networkoversleep 0 > disksleep 10 > sleep 0 (sleep prevented by apsd) > autopoweroffdelay 28800 > hibernatemode 3 > autopoweroff 1 > ttyskeepawake 1 > displaysleep 60 > acwake 0 > lidwake 1 > > currently, the apsd daemon is preventing my laptop from sleeping. If > nothing shows up there, nothing is preventing sleep. Yep, that seems to be the case. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 23:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o9dff9$6ni$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101740 |
On 3/3/17 4:49 p, Jolly Roger wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <o9cfnj$d62$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>> On 3/1/17 1:53 p, Lewis wrote: >>>> pmset -g will show if a process is preventing sleep. >> >>> As I read the man page on pmset, using no argument will display >>> _settings_. I presume that's _not_ a list of what's preventing sleep. >> >> # pmset -g >> System-wide power settings: >> Currently in use: >> standbydelay 4200 >> standby 1 >> womp 1 >> halfdim 1 >> hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage >> sms 1 >> networkoversleep 0 >> disksleep 10 >> sleep 0 (sleep prevented by apsd) >> autopoweroffdelay 28800 >> hibernatemode 3 >> autopoweroff 1 >> ttyskeepawake 1 >> displaysleep 60 >> acwake 0 >> lidwake 1 >> >> currently, the apsd daemon is preventing my laptop from sleeping. If >> nothing shows up there, nothing is preventing sleep. > > Yep, that seems to be the case. Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. And thanks for the tutelage on pmset. -- What the flux? --Carl Friedrich Gauss
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-04 06:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ehv4toFpp3U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101760 |
On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > > Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept > fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same > manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows > suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is > that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have > anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try > manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. Hmm... I haven't ever seen that one. Do you happen to be running VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop when the machine refuses to sleep? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-04 16:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o9f9u0$c41$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101765 |
On 3/4/17 1:24 a, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >> >> Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept >> fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same >> manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows >> suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is >> that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have >> anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try >> manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. > > Hmm... I haven't ever seen that one. Do you happen to be running VMware > Fusion or Parallels Desktop when the machine refuses to sleep? No, not running anything like that or anything exotic. This morning I restarted, waited a few minutes, then manually invoked sleep. Worked fine. This afternoon, I manually tried to invoke sleep, but no go. pmset -g now says apsd, Apple Push Notification service daemon, is preventing sleep. Same issue Lewis is having. WTF? I don't allow _any_ push notifications that I'm aware of. I've never had any of this before. Is the only way to get the machine to sleep to restart? I'm guessing it's not wise to just use kill the errant processes. Thanks for your help. -- Entropy happens.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-04 22:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ei0t8eFc1a1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101797 |
On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/4/17 1:24 a, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>> >>> Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept >>> fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same >>> manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows >>> suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is >>> that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have >>> anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try >>> manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. >> >> Hmm... I haven't ever seen that one. Do you happen to be running VMware >> Fusion or Parallels Desktop when the machine refuses to sleep? > > No, not running anything like that or anything exotic. Ok, just checking. I realize it's too late now, but the next time it says smbd is preventing sleep, it would be good to know if the act of turning System Preferences > Sharing > File Sharing off and back on allows the machine to sleep. > This morning I restarted, waited a few minutes, then manually invoked > sleep. Worked fine. This afternoon, I manually tried to invoke sleep, > but no go. pmset -g now says apsd, Apple Push Notification service > daemon, is preventing sleep. Rather than interpreting the output of pmset for us, it might be more helpful to copy and paste the complete output here, in case there are other hints about what's going on. Also, if you know the exact date and time the system tried and faild to sleep, it would be good to copy and paste any messages in the /var/log/system.log file that have time stamps that match that date and time. System log messages often give more detail about error conditions, including sleep/wake issues. > I've never had any of this before. Is the only way to get the machine to > sleep to restart? I'm guessing it's not wise to just use kill the errant > processes. Thanks for your help. We need to know more about the cause of the issue before recommending a solution, I'm afraid. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-06 15:03 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o9kf66$8ba$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101802 |
On 3/4/17 5:26 p, Jolly Roger wrote: > I realize it's too late now, but the next time it says smbd is > preventing sleep, it would be good to know if the act of turning System > Preferences > Sharing > File Sharing off and back on allows the machine > to sleep. Damn, you're good! I had both filesharing and printer sharing turned on in Sharing. I turned them off and the machine slept fine. I turned them back on, and it slept fine again! Problem solved, at least for now it seems. > Rather than interpreting the output of pmset for us, it might be more > helpful to copy and paste the complete output here, in case there are > other hints about what's going on. Just to continue on with the logs from _before_ I toggled file and printer sharing, just in case you might be able to tell something from them in case the problem reoccurs: The machine slept okay last night after being restarted. However, today after a few hours of work I re-ran pmset and got this: quote: % pmset -g Active Profiles: AC Power -1* Currently in use: standby 0 Sleep On Power Button 0 womp 0 autorestart 0 hibernatefile /var/vm/sleepimage darkwakes 0 networkoversleep 0 disksleep 10 sleep 180 (sleep prevented by smbd) autopoweroffdelay 14400 hibernatemode 0 autopoweroff 1 ttyskeepawake 1 displaysleep 30 standbydelay 4200 unquote So smbd is back just like Lewis had. Previously the only difference was apsd where it now says smbd. Is there another command I should run? > Also, if you know the exact date and time the system tried and faild to > sleep, it would be good to copy and paste any messages in the > /var/log/system.log file that have time stamps that match that date and > time. System log messages often give more detail about error conditions, > including sleep/wake issues. I tried to sleep the machine at 2:29p (it didn't of course). I did next to nothing on it for a few minutes before and after. Here is the console log from just before and after I invoked Sleep immediately after 2:29pm. Time Machine kicked in not long after I clicked the keyboard again: quote: 3/6/17 2:25:29.698 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:29.744 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:29.889 p com.apple.IconServicesAgent[247]: main Failed to composit image for binding VariantBinding [0x5f9] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x759] - extension: jpg, UTI: public.jpeg, fileType: ????. 3/6/17 2:25:29.890 p quicklookd[2470]: Warning: Cache image returned by the server has size range covering all valid image sizes. Binding: VariantBinding [0x203] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x103] - extension: jpg, UTI: public.jpeg, fileType: ???? request size:16 scale: 1 3/6/17 2:25:29.944 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:29.968 p com.apple.SecurityServer[15]: Session 100024 created 3/6/17 2:25:30.239 p Console[2473]: setPresentationOptions called with NSApplicationPresentationFullScreen when there is no visible fullscreen window; this call will be ignored. 3/6/17 2:25:30.276 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:30.319 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:30.347 p com.apple.IconServicesAgent[247]: main Failed to composit image for binding VariantBinding [0x865] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x363] - extension: mp3, UTI: public.mp3, fileType: ????. 3/6/17 2:25:30.348 p quicklookd[2470]: Warning: Cache image returned by the server has size range covering all valid image sizes. Binding: VariantBinding [0x403] flags: 0x8 binding: FileInfoBinding [0x303] - extension: mp3, UTI: public.mp3, fileType: ???? request size:16 scale: 1 3/6/17 2:25:30.439 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:25:31.000 p kernel[0]: Console (map: 0xffffff804bc42f00) triggered DYLD shared region unnest for map: 0xffffff804bc42f00, region 0x7fff8e400000->0x7fff8e600000. While not abnormal for debuggers, this increases system memory footprint until the target exits. 3/6/17 2:29:02.759 p WindowServer[112]: device_generate_desktop_screenshot: authw 0x0(0), shield 0x7f7fc0f0add0(2001) 3/6/17 2:29:02.781 p WindowServer[112]: device_generate_lock_screen_screenshot: authw 0x0(0), shield 0x7f7fc0f0add0(2001) 3/6/17 2:29:02.971 p xpcd[25]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:29:02.998 p parentalcontrolsd[2483]: StartObservingFSEvents [849:] -- *** StartObservingFSEvents started event stream 3/6/17 2:34:18.407 p WindowServer[112]: CGXDisplayDidWakeNotification [64520546253639]: posting kCGSDisplayDidWake 3/6/17 2:34:18.408 p WindowServer[112]: handle_will_sleep_auth_and_shield_windows: Deferring. 3/6/17 2:34:42.244 p Console[2491]: setPresentationOptions called with NSApplicationPresentationFullScreen when there is no visible fullscreen window; this call will be ignored. 3/6/17 2:34:42.402 p xpcd[195]: Info.plist does not contain an XPCService dictionary: /System/Library/Frameworks/Security.framework/XPCServices/SecurityAgent.xpc 3/6/17 2:34:43.000 p kernel[0]: Console (map: 0xffffff8033cf8f00) triggered DYLD shared region unnest for map: 0xffffff8033cf8f00, region 0x7fff8e400000->0x7fff8e600000. While not abnormal for debuggers, this increases system memory footprint until the target exits. 3/6/17 2:34:49.001 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: Starting automatic backup 3/6/17 2:34:49.022 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: Backing up to /dev/disk3s2: /Volumes/TM-Sky/Backups.backupdb 3/6/17 2:34:50.061 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: Will copy (86 MB) from Bluejay 3/6/17 2:34:50.062 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: Found 270 files (86 MB) needing backup 3/6/17 2:34:50.074 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: 2.19 GB required (including padding), 895.45 GB available 3/6/17 2:34:57.681 p mds[66]: (Normal) ImportServer: Ignoring blacklisted Spotlight importer plugin:/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/SourceCode.mdimporter uuid:548A3091-3C5D-498A-A329-B532A6C896BB version:1085 3/6/17 2:34:57.707 p mds[66]: (Normal) ImportServer: Ignoring blacklisted Spotlight importer plugin:/Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/SourceCode.mdimporter uuid:548A3091-3C5D-498A-A329-B532A6C896BB version:1085 3/6/17 2:35:03.236 p com.apple.backupd[2494]: Copied 383 items (86 MB) from volume XXXXXXXX. Linked 2112. unquote There are only 4 entries at 2:29:02 when I issued the Sleep command. The next were at 2:34 when I woke it up again, though it wasn't really 'asleep'. Any ideas for future reference? Thanks.
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