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  Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-16 19:04 -0500
    Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-02-16 19:25 -0500
      Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-17 02:23 -0500
      Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-17 08:54 -0500
    Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-16 19:32 -0500
    Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-17 01:02 +0000
      Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-17 02:28 -0500
        Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-17 17:21 +0000
          Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-17 23:56 -0500
            Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-18 05:51 +0000
              Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-02-18 23:01 +1300
              Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-18 06:54 -0500
                Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-18 16:13 +0000
            Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-02-18 08:30 -0800
    Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-02-16 18:11 -0700
      Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-02-17 02:28 -0500
    Re: Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-17 06:44 +0000

#100440 — Are there VGA input ports on flat screen Apple monitors?

Hi, it's me again!

In case you don't remember, I needed your help to retrieve a bunch of
files and email from my late buddy's mac.  I got that done last summer,
I think it was, kept a copy or two, and gave a copy to the boss of his
non-profit, who I don't  think really knows what to do with it. But
thanks again for the help. 


Now I have a new question.   I'm going out of town and staying somewhere
for almost 3 month, and the landlady has a mac monitor I can use with my
small laptop PC.   It would be great to have a real monitor.  

All I know is that it is a wide monitor only,  separate from the
computer, an Apple brand, l, not a CRT, and that the "bracket" that
rests on the table and holds up the screen is simple, plain, 6 or 8
inches wide, goes back a few inches and then bends sharply upwards and
forward at a 70 or 80 acute degree angle

I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
a VGA input also???*** 



On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
vga to displayport adapter  and google brought up Staples, Gearbest, and
Amazon, and provided search pages for each of them, and even though I
was searching for    
  
                        vga to displayport adapter       

and that was the heading of every search page, every hit was for the
opposite, displayport to vga. 

Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? 



Although this might be from a newer series, this looks quite a bit like
the monitor
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-se370-series-s24e370dl-23-6-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-high-glossy-white-with-blue-frame/5712657.p
and if you  click on the 4th picture, it  has inputs for displayport,
hdmi, and VGA!

But this is Samsung and not Apple.   Is VGA "standard"?   Or standard
for Samsung, but rare on Apple? .   Or non-existent on Apple? 

This series is still for sale, but there was a similar Apple model
that's only for sale used now,   None of the pictures show the back.
Would VGA have been standard on that model too?  Or at least on some of
them? 

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#100445

On 2017-02-16 19:04, micky wrote:

> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
> vga to displayport adapter 

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP597?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US

This is for the 2010 Cinama Display. DiplayPort only.


Displayport only.
Checked the 2008 models and also only Mini display port.

VGA is an analogue signal.

Much easier to take digital signal and generate analogue than having to
sample the analogue one and create digital.

There might be convoluted ways to do this , if you can, for instance
find VGA to HDMI, or VGA-DVI and then HDMO or DVI to Display Port.

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#100481

In comp.sys.mac.system, on Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:25:57 -0500, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-02-16 19:04, micky wrote:
>
>> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
>> vga to displayport adapter 
>
>https://support.apple.com/kb/SP597?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>
>This is for the 2010 Cinama Display. DiplayPort only.
>
>
>Displayport only.
>Checked the 2008 models and also only Mini display port.
>
>VGA is an analogue signal.
>
>Much easier to take digital signal and generate analogue than having to
>sample the analogue one and create digital.

I don't know too much about this stuff,. but I can certainly see that it
would be easier in one direction than the other.   And since I have a
vague idea of how to do the first and no idea how to do the second, that
explains it. 

BTW, last I checked I was still trying to understand how an FM signal is
modulated and even harder to understand how it's detected.   I thought
in the last 40 years I'd figure it out in the back of my head, but
instead I forgot what I once knew about it. 
>
>There might be convoluted ways to do this , if you can, for instance
>find VGA to HDMI, or VGA-DVI and then HDMO or DVI to Display Port.
>

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#100495

In comp.sys.mac.system, on Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:25:57 -0500, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-02-16 19:04, micky wrote:
>
>> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
>> vga to displayport adapter 
>
>https://support.apple.com/kb/SP597?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
>
>This is for the 2010 Cinama Display. DiplayPort only.
>
>
>Displayport only.
>Checked the 2008 models and also only Mini display port.
>
>VGA is an analogue signal.
>
>Much easier to take digital signal and generate analogue than having to
>sample the analogue one and create digital.
>
>There might be convoluted ways to do this , if you can, for instance
>find VGA to HDMI, or VGA-DVI and then HDMO or DVI to Display Port.

Someone in the hardware ng found the first step for $20 and the second
step for $90, and for 110, I could get a whole monitor, maybe even a new
one. 

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#100446

In article <tk7cac5ms6k73vr2tcr5hl7sugvh0hnnbh@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> 
> Now I have a new question.   I'm going out of town and staying somewhere
> for almost 3 month, and the landlady has a mac monitor I can use with my
> small laptop PC.   It would be great to have a real monitor.  

mac monitors are real monitors, so you already have one.

> All I know is that it is a wide monitor only,  separate from the
> computer, an Apple brand, l, not a CRT, and that the "bracket" that
> rests on the table and holds up the screen is simple, plain, 6 or 8
> inches wide, goes back a few inches and then bends sharply upwards and
> forward at a 70 or 80 acute degree angle

post a photo of it.

> I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
> a VGA input also???*** 

zero. vga is obsolete and has been for many years. 

apple hasn't made vga display for a *very* long time. there's no point
when much better options exist.

> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
> vga to displayport adapter  and google brought up Staples, Gearbest, and
> Amazon, and provided search pages for each of them, and even though I
> was searching for    
>   
>                         vga to displayport adapter       
> 
> and that was the heading of every search page, every hit was for the
> opposite, displayport to vga. 

that's because computers now have modern standards such as displayport,
hdmi or thunderbolt, and it's occasionally necessary to connect to an
old vga projector that nobody bothered replacing.

> Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? 

it exists, but it ain't cheap, nor do you even want it.

going from vga *to* displayport (or other digital interface) requires
synthesizing the digital signals and the image will look like shit
because it was originally analog vga.

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#100451

On 2017-02-17, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Hi, it's me again!
>
> In case you don't remember, I needed your help to retrieve a bunch of
> files and email from my late buddy's mac.  I got that done last summer,
> I think it was, kept a copy or two, and gave a copy to the boss of his
> non-profit, who I don't  think really knows what to do with it. But
> thanks again for the help. 
>
>
> Now I have a new question.   I'm going out of town and staying somewhere
> for almost 3 month, and the landlady has a mac monitor I can use with my
> small laptop PC.   It would be great to have a real monitor.  
>
> All I know is that it is a wide monitor only,  separate from the
> computer, an Apple brand, l, not a CRT, and that the "bracket" that
> rests on the table and holds up the screen is simple, plain, 6 or 8
> inches wide, goes back a few inches and then bends sharply upwards and
> forward at a 70 or 80 acute degree angle

A picture (or more solid details) would surely help. Does it look like
one of these?:

<http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_23.html>

<http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple-led-cinema-display-27-inch-specs.html>

<http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/thunderbolt/specs/apple-thunderbolt-display-27-inch-specs.html>

> I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
> a VGA input also???*** 

If it truly is a fairly modern Apple wide screen display it will be all
digital rather than analog, which means it will use DVI, DisplayPort, or
Thunderbolt (depending on the model) rather than analog VGA.

> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
> vga to displayport adapter  and google brought up Staples, Gearbest, and
> Amazon, and provided search pages for each of them, and even though I
> was searching for    
>   
>                         vga to displayport adapter       
>
> and that was the heading of every search page, every hit was for the
> opposite, displayport to vga. 
>
> Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? 

I haven't ever had a need to connect a DVI, DisplayPort, or Thunderbolt
display to a VGA port; so I'll let someone with actual experience doing
it answer this portion.

> Although this might be from a newer series, this looks quite a bit like
> the monitor
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-se370-series-s24e370dl-23-6-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-high-glossy-white-with-blue-frame/5712657.p
> and if you  click on the 4th picture, it  has inputs for displayport,
> hdmi, and VGA!
>
> But this is Samsung and not Apple.   Is VGA "standard"?   Or standard
> for Samsung, but rare on Apple? .   Or non-existent on Apple? 

Apple monitors aren't re-branded Samsung displays. And Apple is well
known to ditch legacy ports without abandon in favor of newer and better
stuff. tl;dr: No modern Apple display comes with a legacy VGA port since
they are all digital rather than analog.

> This series is still for sale, but there was a similar Apple model
> that's only for sale used now,   None of the pictures show the back.
> Would VGA have been standard on that model too?  Or at least on some of
> them? 

The EveryMac web site (links above) will tell you what type of connector
each Apple display has.

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#100483

In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 01:02:59 GMT, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2017-02-17, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> Hi, it's me again!
>>
>> In case you don't remember, I needed your help to retrieve a bunch of
>> files and email from my late buddy's mac.  I got that done last summer,
>> I think it was, kept a copy or two, and gave a copy to the boss of his
>> non-profit, who I don't  think really knows what to do with it. But
>> thanks again for the help. 
>>
>>
>> Now I have a new question.   I'm going out of town and staying somewhere
>> for almost 3 month, and the landlady has a mac monitor I can use with my
>> small laptop PC.   It would be great to have a real monitor.  
>>
>> All I know is that it is a wide monitor only,  separate from the
>> computer, an Apple brand, l, not a CRT, and that the "bracket" that
>> rests on the table and holds up the screen is simple, plain, 6 or 8
>> inches wide, goes back a few inches and then bends sharply upwards and
>> forward at a 70 or 80 acute degree angle
>
>A picture (or more solid details) would surely help. Does it look like
>one of these?:

The only picture I have is not very good, but maybe I can post it. 

><http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_23.html>

Thanks a lot for these. 

This one has a white border, but the border above the screen is the same
height as the border below the screen.  In hers the border below the
screen is almost 3 times as "tall" as the one above the screen.   And in
the middle of it is a dark-colored apply logo. 
>
><http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple-led-cinema-display-27-inch-specs.html>
>
><http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/thunderbolt/specs/apple-thunderbolt-display-27-inch-specs.html>

These two have black borders.  I doubt if they also come in white, since
it's just the border. 

Other than the things I mention they all look quite like the one in
question, so you were on the right track. . 

>> I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
>> a VGA input also???*** 
>
>If it truly is a fairly modern Apple wide screen display it will be all
>digital rather than analog, which means it will use DVI, DisplayPort, or
>Thunderbolt (depending on the model) rather than analog VGA.
>
>> On the early assumption it only had Displayport, I  went looking for a
>> vga to displayport adapter  and google brought up Staples, Gearbest, and
>> Amazon, and provided search pages for each of them, and even though I
>> was searching for    
>>   
>>                         vga to displayport adapter       
>>
>> and that was the heading of every search page, every hit was for the
>> opposite, displayport to vga. 
>>
>> Am I looking for something that doesn't exist? 
>
>I haven't ever had a need to connect a DVI, DisplayPort, or Thunderbolt
>display to a VGA port; so I'll let someone with actual experience doing
>it answer this portion.
>
>> Although this might be from a newer series, this looks quite a bit like
>> the monitor
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-se370-series-s24e370dl-23-6-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-high-glossy-white-with-blue-frame/5712657.p
>> and if you  click on the 4th picture, it  has inputs for displayport,
>> hdmi, and VGA!
>>
>> But this is Samsung and not Apple.   Is VGA "standard"?   Or standard
>> for Samsung, but rare on Apple? .   Or non-existent on Apple? 
>
>Apple monitors aren't re-branded Samsung displays. And Apple is well
>known to ditch legacy ports without abandon in favor of newer and better
>stuff. tl;dr: No modern Apple display comes with a legacy VGA port since
>they are all digital rather than analog.

This is probably the clincher.   Well I can't have everything.  

>> This series is still for sale, but there was a similar Apple model
>> that's only for sale used now,   None of the pictures show the back.
>> Would VGA have been standard on that model too?  Or at least on some of
>> them? 
>
>The EveryMac web site (links above) will tell you what type of connector
>each Apple display has.

I'm looking at that now. 

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#100510

On 2017-02-17, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 01:02:59 GMT, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> A picture (or more solid details) would surely help. Does it look
>> like one of these?:
>
> The only picture I have is not very good, but maybe I can post it. 

Next time do that in the first post, and it will save us all some time.
; )

>> <http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_23.html>
>
> Thanks a lot for these. 
>
> This one has a white border, but the border above the screen is the
> same height as the border below the screen.  In hers the border below
> the screen is almost 3 times as "tall" as the one above the screen.
> And in the middle of it is a dark-colored apply logo. 

Now it sounds like you are describing an iMac rather than a standalone
display. Is this similar to what you saw?:

<http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.0-17-inch-specs.html>

If so, that's not a display - it's a computer with a built-in display
called an iMac. ; )

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#100546

In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 17:21:39 GMT, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2017-02-17, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 01:02:59 GMT, Jolly Roger
>><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A picture (or more solid details) would surely help. Does it look
>>> like one of these?:
>>
>> The only picture I have is not very good, but maybe I can post it. 
>
>Next time do that in the first post, and it will save us all some time.
>; )

Sorry. I'm really bad at posting pictures.  I sign up for a service,
then lose track of which one, what password.  After my last trip, I
planned to post many of my pictures for friends, but I never did.  

I'll try to do better than this time. 
>
>>> <http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_23.html>
>>
>> Thanks a lot for these. 
>>
>> This one has a white border, but the border above the screen is the
>> same height as the border below the screen.  In hers the border below
>> the screen is almost 3 times as "tall" as the one above the screen.
>> And in the middle of it is a dark-colored apply logo. 
>
>Now it sounds like you are describing an iMac rather than a standalone
>display. Is this similar to what you saw?:
>
><http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.0-17-inch-specs.html>
>
>If so, that's not a display - it's a computer with a built-in display
>called an iMac. ; )

Yeah, that's it!!.  So where is the computer?       Actually, even when
I thought it was a monitor -- until 20 seconds ago -- I wondered where
the computer was.  

I called it a monitor in an email to my prospective landlady, and she
either repeated the word or at least didn't contradict me when she
replied that she would move it or I could use it, so by then I was
certain it was a monitor.   Sorry about wasting the time of all of you.

It says either the monitor is mini-DVI or has a  mini-DVI port, which
must mean output port, since it also says "VGA output supported by
optional Apple DVI-to-VGA adapter (sold separately)."   

Nothing about input so that ends that plan.   But I have 2 new plans.
Since there is wifi, can I make it display what is on the windows laptop
next to it? 

Or, it also says it will run windows XP and 7.  Can I install a windows
emulator or whatever, and then install windows on top of that?  


XP is smaller and your page above says it has between 1 and 4 gigs of
RAM.

And assuming I can do this, if I'm not careful fo update an AV program
or something else goes wrong, can the windows part of the computer get
malware and spread it to the Mac part?

I have an unused license for both of them, and the install disks. It
says it has "8X DL "SuperDrive""   (I have 4 XP licenses from my own
computer and 3 XP computers a friend junked from his business.  I tried
to save them but he'd already removed the HDD, and there are already
newer around.) 

Micky

P.S. I never got very good at Mac and I resist mightily even changing
windows versions.  Or if I have to change, I hate the changes. 

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#100547

micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 17:21:39 GMT, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-02-17, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 01:02:59 GMT, Jolly Roger
>>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> A picture (or more solid details) would surely help. Does it look
>>>> like one of these?:
>>> 
>>> The only picture I have is not very good, but maybe I can post it. 
>> 
>> Next time do that in the first post, and it will save us all some time.
>> ; )
> 
> Sorry. I'm really bad at posting pictures.  I sign up for a service,
> then lose track of which one, what password.  After my last trip, I
> planned to post many of my pictures for friends, but I never did.  
> 
> I'll try to do better than this time. 

No need to sign up to anything. Just upload the image to http://imgur.com
and post the link here. It's simple and fast. ; )

>>>> <http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_cinema_display_23.html>
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot for these. 
>>> 
>>> This one has a white border, but the border above the screen is the
>>> same height as the border below the screen.  In hers the border below
>>> the screen is almost 3 times as "tall" as the one above the screen.
>>> And in the middle of it is a dark-colored apply logo. 
>> 
>> Now it sounds like you are describing an iMac rather than a standalone
>> display. Is this similar to what you saw?:
>> 
>> <http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.0-17-inch-specs.html>
>> 
>> If so, that's not a display - it's a computer with a built-in display
>> called an iMac. ; )
> 
> Yeah, that's it!!.  So where is the computer?       Actually, even when
> I thought it was a monitor -- until 20 seconds ago -- I wondered where
> the computer was.  

The CPU is inside the same case. It's an all-in-one machine.

Don't assume this is the actual model. I just found one that looked like
what you described. There are actually many models of iMac of different
vintages that use the same case. So the CPU, speed, RAM, and storage is
anyone's guess without more details to figure out which model it is.

> I called it a monitor in an email to my prospective landlady, and she
> either repeated the word or at least didn't contradict me when she
> replied that she would move it or I could use it, so by then I was
> certain it was a monitor.   Sorry about wasting the time of all of you.

No prob.

> Since there is wifi, can I make it display what is on the windows laptop
> next to it? 
> 
> Or, it also says it will run windows XP and 7.  Can I install a windows
> emulator or whatever, and then install windows on top of that?  
>
> XP is smaller and your page above says it has between 1 and 4 gigs of
> RAM.

I doubt a virtual machine would perform well on that old of a machine with
limited RAM. For best performance you'd want to use Boot Camp and run
Windows natively instead:

<https://support.apple.com/boot-camp>

> And assuming I can do this, if I'm not careful fo update an AV program
> or something else goes wrong, can the windows part of the computer get
> malware and spread it to the Mac part?

If you use Boot Camp you don't have to have macOS installed at all. Viruses
are your problem, of course.

> P.S. I never got very good at Mac and I resist mightily even changing
> windows versions.  Or if I have to change, I hate the changes. 

Whatever floats your boat.

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#100557

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 17:21:39 GMT, Jolly Roger
> > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 

[...]

> >> If so, that's not a display - it's a computer with a built-in display
> >> called an iMac. ; )
> > 
> > Yeah, that's it!!.  So where is the computer?       Actually, even when
> > I thought it was a monitor -- until 20 seconds ago -- I wondered where
> > the computer was.  
> 
> The CPU is inside the same case. It's an all-in-one machine.
> 
> Don't assume this is the actual model. I just found one that looked like
> what you described. There are actually many models of iMac of different
> vintages that use the same case. So the CPU, speed, RAM, and storage is
> anyone's guess without more details to figure out which model it is.
> 
> > I called it a monitor in an email to my prospective landlady, and she
> > either repeated the word or at least didn't contradict me when she
> > replied that she would move it or I could use it, so by then I was
> > certain it was a monitor.   Sorry about wasting the time of all of you.
> 
> No prob.
> 
> > Since there is wifi, can I make it display what is on the windows laptop
> > next to it? 
> > 
> > Or, it also says it will run windows XP and 7.  Can I install a windows
> > emulator or whatever, and then install windows on top of that?  
> >
> > XP is smaller and your page above says it has between 1 and 4 gigs of
> > RAM.
> 
> I doubt a virtual machine would perform well on that old of a machine with
> limited RAM. For best performance you'd want to use Boot Camp and run
> Windows natively instead:
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/boot-camp>

Note that this might not be possible: the description of an iMac with a
white plastic body includes models back as far as mid 2004, with a
PowerPC G5 processor. Those cannot use Boot Camp or run Windows
natively, only via slow processor emulation using the discontinued Mac
version of Virtual PC.

The last two generations of iMac in that style had Intel processors:
Early 2006 (also a Mid 2006 minor variant) and Late 2006. The Early/Mid
2006 models have a 32-bit Core Duo processor and maximum 2 GB RAM, the
Late 2006 models have a 64-bit Core 2 Duo processor and maximum 3 GB of
RAM. These can run Windows XP via Boot Camp, but you would need the copy
of Boot Camp which was supplied on the installation DVDs that came with
the computer (which the owner might have mislaid, or not have at all if
she got the computer second hand).

More recent downloadable versions of Boot Camp won't work - they dropped
support for older Mac models, and older Windows versions.


If you need to check the iMac model: while the iMac is booted into Mac
OS X, click on the Apple menu in the top left corner and choose About
This Mac. It will tell you major details like the Mac OS X version
number, the processor type and the amount of memory. The precise iMac
model can be pinpointed (with assistance from knowledgeable people or
online references) via the More Info button in the same place.


Another option to consider is that you could run a VNC client on the Mac
and a VNC server on the Windows laptop, and connect the two over a
network (Ethernet or Wi-Fi). This would result in the iMac showing a
window that duplicates what is on the Windows laptop screen, plus being
able to use the iMac keyboard and mouse to control the Windows laptop
(with confusion over some differences in special keys, possibly reduced
somewhat if you plugged in a Windows USB keyboard).

This would NOT give you a dual monitor setup ("extended desktop" using
Mac terminology), only mirroring.

> > And assuming I can do this, if I'm not careful fo update an AV program
> > or something else goes wrong, can the windows part of the computer get
> > malware and spread it to the Mac part?
> 
> If you use Boot Camp you don't have to have macOS installed at all. Viruses
> are your problem, of course.
> 
> > P.S. I never got very good at Mac and I resist mightily even changing
> > windows versions.  Or if I have to change, I hate the changes. 
> 
> Whatever floats your boat.


-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#100560

In comp.sys.mac.system, on 18 Feb 2017 05:51:25 GMT, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 17 Feb 2017 17:21:39 GMT, Jolly Roger
>> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> .............
>>>> This one has a white border, but the border above the screen is the
>>>> same height as the border below the screen.  In hers the border below
>>>> the screen is almost 3 times as "tall" as the one above the screen.
>>>> And in the middle of it is a dark-colored apply logo. 
>>> 
>>> Now it sounds like you are describing an iMac rather than a standalone
>>> display. Is this similar to what you saw?:
>>> 
>>> <http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac-core-2-duo-2.0-17-inch-specs.html>
>>> 
>>> If so, that's not a display - it's a computer with a built-in display
>>> called an iMac. ; )
>> 
>> Yeah, that's it!!.  So where is the computer?       Actually, even when
>> I thought it was a monitor -- until 20 seconds ago -- I wondered where
>> the computer was.  
>
>The CPU is inside the same case. It's an all-in-one machine.

Hiding in plain sight.  How devilish of them. 

>Don't assume this is the actual model. I just found one that looked like
>what you described. There are actually many models of iMac of different
>vintages that use the same case. So the CPU, speed, RAM, and storage is
>anyone's guess without more details to figure out which model it is.

Okay.  In f act I f ound a list cited in the page that discusses Boot
Camp.   All but the smallest 2 or 3 can run win7. 

>> I called it a monitor in an email to my prospective landlady, and she
>> either repeated the word or at least didn't contradict me when she
>> replied that she would move it or I could use it, so by then I was
>> certain it was a monitor.   Sorry about wasting the time of all of you.
>
>No prob.
>
>> Since there is wifi, can I make it display what is on the windows laptop
>> next to it? 
>> 
>> Or, it also says it will run windows XP and 7.  Can I install a windows
>> emulator or whatever, and then install windows on top of that?  
>>
>> XP is smaller and your page above says it has between 1 and 4 gigs of
>> RAM.
>
>I doubt a virtual machine would perform well on that old of a machine with
>limited RAM. For best performance you'd want to use Boot Camp and run
>Windows natively instead:
>
><https://support.apple.com/boot-camp>

Is this like multi-boot, gives the user a choice of mac or windows each
time?      More important, will installing all this stuff still leave
the original MacOS running like it did?      If so, she might consider
this a big improvement.     She had a nother picture where it appears
she is using a laptop with a full size monitor, but the little laptop
keyboard.  If that's a windows computer, then she knows windows, and
there will certainly be times when one can use a second computer of the
same sort, windows or mac. 

   But if it would mess up the MacOS even a little, I can't be certain
that I can put it back the way it was, so that's no good.   For example,
she lent the computer to her daughter in law who wanted a Mac while hers
was broken. 

>> And assuming I can do this, if I'm not careful fo update an AV program
>> or something else goes wrong, can the windows part of the computer get
>> malware and spread it to the Mac part?
>
>If you use Boot Camp you don't have to have macOS installed at all. Viruses
>are your problem, of course.

That's nice, but as you can see, I want to k eep Mac installed. 

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#100571

On 2017-02-18, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system, on 18 Feb 2017 05:51:25 GMT, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>I doubt a virtual machine would perform well on that old of a machine with
>>limited RAM. For best performance you'd want to use Boot Camp and run
>>Windows natively instead:
>>
>><https://support.apple.com/boot-camp>
>
> Is this like multi-boot, gives the user a choice of mac or windows each
> time?      More important, will installing all this stuff still leave
> the original MacOS running like it did?      If so, she might consider
> this a big improvement.     She had a nother picture where it appears
> she is using a laptop with a full size monitor, but the little laptop
> keyboard.  If that's a windows computer, then she knows windows, and
> there will certainly be times when one can use a second computer of the
> same sort, windows or mac. 
>
>    But if it would mess up the MacOS even a little, I can't be certain
> that I can put it back the way it was, so that's no good.   For example,
> she lent the computer to her daughter in law who wanted a Mac while hers
> was broken. 

You should leave it alone then. You're liable to screw things up for her
if you mess with setting up Boot Camp. 

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JR

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#100573

On 2017-02-18 04:56:03 +0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> said:

> 
> Sorry. I'm really bad at posting pictures.  I sign up for a service,
> then lose track of which one, what password.  After my last trip, I
> planned to post many of my pictures for friends, but I never did.
> 
> I'll try to do better than this time.

For sharing batches, "albums" or "galleries" of specific event, trips 
etc. most of the online sharing services are a good way to go:
Flickr
<http://flickr.com>
Smugmug
<http://smugmug.com>
Shutterfly
<https://www.shutterfly.com>
Photobucket
<http://photobucket.com>
Dropbox
<http://dropbox.com>
...and a few others including Apple's iCloud Photo Sharing and Adobe's 
Creative Cloud.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202786>

If you have Amazon Prime they have Amazon Prime Photos, and there is 
always Google Photos, but I find both of those have issues.

For sharing individual images such as screenshots Dropbox and/or imgur 
are a good way to go.
<http://imgur.com>

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#100454

micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
> a VGA input also???*** 

The only non-CRT display Apple made with a VGA input had a blue
translucent case and stand and was discontinued in 2000. If the display
in question has an aluminum case, it requires DVI or later. 

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#100482

In comp.sys.mac.system, on Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:11:15 -0700,
nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> I presume it has a Displayport input, but what are the odds it will have
>> a VGA input also???*** 
>
>The only non-CRT display Apple made with a VGA input had a blue
>translucent case and stand and was discontinued in 2000. If the display

It might be that old, but it's definitely not blue or translucent!

>in question has an aluminum case, it requires DVI or later. 

Well that settles it.   I was still clinging to the vague hope it would
take VGA and I'd only  have to bring a cable with me.  Oh, well, I can't
have everything. 

I didn't want to bother my potential landlady with annoying questions
until I actually am living there, for fear she'll turn me down, so it
was better for me to bother you guys with annoying questions.   ;-)  

Thanks to all of you. 

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#100477

In message <tk7cac5ms6k73vr2tcr5hl7sugvh0hnnbh@4ax.com> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I presume it has a Displayport input,

Could be Mini Displayport (MDP), depending on the age of the display. It
will not be regular Display Port.

> but what are the odds it will have a VGA input also???*** 

0%. There are no Apple flat screens with VGA.

<https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&index=blended&keywords=mdp+to+vga>

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If the laws of action and reaction had anything to do with it, it should
have flopped to the ground a few feet away. But no-one was listening to
them.

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