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[NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-05 13:15 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-05 07:25 +0100
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 09:12 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-05 15:26 +0100
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 14:52 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 20:42 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 16:17 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 22:07 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 18:08 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-06 17:45 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 08:07 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-06 16:23 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-03-06 17:25 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 21:40 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-07 11:59 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 15:01 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 01:04 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 17:17 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2024-03-06 18:25 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 17:29 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2024-03-07 18:35 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 03:58 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:25 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:20 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:41 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:27 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 09:44 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:23 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:20 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:22 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 01:03 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 09:33 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 16:42 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 20:26 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 21:32 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 22:24 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 23:04 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 23:21 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-08 01:38 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-08 08:44 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:27 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 22:39 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 18:07 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-08 08:36 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alrescha <news@alrescha.com> - 2024-03-07 15:47 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-07 15:53 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 16:50 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alrescha <news@alrescha.com> - 2024-03-08 07:23 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-08 11:18 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-07 22:58 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-10 18:00 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-10 18:17 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-10 22:23 +0000
Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was- [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-13 07:55 +0000
Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was- [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-13 16:40 +0000
Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-13 17:10 +0000
Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-13 10:46 -0700
Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-14 00:03 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-07 09:55 +1300
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 21:20 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:50 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 18:22 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:17 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:08 +0100
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:14 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:16 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:36 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:45 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:40 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 09:46 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:23 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 07:49 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 10:27 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 17:20 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:24 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 17:53 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 15:50 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 19:29 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 17:38 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-12 18:33 -0400
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-12 16:07 -0700
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:07 +0100
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:20 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:18 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:37 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:47 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:41 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:06 +0100
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:18 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2024-03-05 17:48 +0000
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 15:02 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:51 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 17:48 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:18 -0800
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:18 -0500
Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:09 -0500
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| From | André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 18:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <usdq09$1bdai$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143498 |
On 2024-03-06 18:29, Alan wrote: > On 2024-03-06 17:25, André G. Isaak wrote: >> On 2024-03-06 18:17, Alan wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>> system Applications folder. >>>>> >>>>> Huh? >>>>> >>>>> Give an example of one such application. >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >>>> >>> >>> How much? >>> >>> To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire >>> folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... >>> >>> ...and it seems to work fine. >> >> But will creative cloud continue to notify you when updates are >> available? It looks at /Applications to see which software you have >> installed. > > Are you sure about that? > >> >> Same goes for anything obtained from the App Store -- remove them from >> /Applications and the App Store will no longer notify you that updates >> are available since it won't seem them as being installed. > > Really? Show it. I'm certain in case of App Store apps unless things have changed since Monterey (this is the main reason why I stopped storing applications on external drives). I'm not certain with respect to Adobe CC, but I strongly suspect it. It's not important enough for me to do an experiment. Either of these claims could be easily tested if you chose. Pick some application installed via the app store. Restore an earlier version via time machine. Copy it from your /Applications folder to another drive and then delete it from /Applications. Check to see if the app store will recognize that it needs to be updated. Ditto for Adobe CC. Applications which check for updates when launched will generally still update even if located in a nonstandard location. Applications that rely on a separate application (like App Store.app or Creative Cloud.app) not so much. They tend to determine the current version based on what's in the /Applications folder. And I've run into other applications which experience strange behaviour when installed outside of /Applications though unfortunately I can't think of an example since I long ago stopped doing so. André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 03:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4ssb1F2sjoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143496 |
On 2024-03-07, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>> >>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>> system Applications folder. >>> >>> Huh? >>> >>> Give an example of one such application. >> >> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >> > > How much? > > To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire folder > to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... > > ...and it seems to work fine. > >:-) Report back to use after it has (or hasn't) updated correctly. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 17:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <z9rGN.405894$Ama9.286909@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #143496 |
On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote: > On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>> >>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>> system Applications folder. >>> >>> Huh? >>> >>> Give an example of one such application. >> >> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >> > > How much? > > To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire folder > to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... > > ...and it seems to work fine. > > :-) And where does the license credential reside? Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it with the license credentials in effect? -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 17:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <usdp56$1b9ra$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143516 |
On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote: >> On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>>> >>>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>> system Applications folder. >>>> >>>> Huh? >>>> >>>> Give an example of one such application. >>> >>> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >>> >> >> How much? >> >> To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire >> folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... >> >> ...and it seems to work fine. >> >> :-) > > And where does the license credential reside? I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to how it ran. > > Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it > with the license credentials in effect? Almost certainly not. Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years as you are about proportion? :-)
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-08 16:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <aCLGN.355774$yEgf.16420@fx09.iad> |
| In reply to | #143523 |
On 2024-03-07 20:20, Alan wrote: > On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>> system Applications folder. >>>>> >>>>> Huh? >>>>> >>>>> Give an example of one such application. >>>> >>>> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >>>> >>> >>> How much? >>> >>> To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire >>> folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... >>> >>> ...and it seems to work fine. >>> >>> :-) >> >> And where does the license credential reside? > > I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to how > it ran. > >> >> Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it >> with the license credentials in effect? > > Almost certainly not. > > Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years as > you are about proportion? So you don't know where the license credential resides, but my question is ignorant? Man, you're a dick. I guess that's a good thing for you. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-08 16:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <usgad8$1vlcm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143542 |
On 2024-03-08 13:41, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2024-03-07 20:20, Alan wrote: >> On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>>> system Applications folder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Huh? >>>>>> >>>>>> Give an example of one such application. >>>>> >>>>> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>>>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >>>>> >>>> >>>> How much? >>>> >>>> To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire >>>> folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... >>>> >>>> ...and it seems to work fine. >>>> >>>> :-) >>> >>> And where does the license credential reside? >> >> I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to >> how it ran. >> >>> >>> Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run it >>> with the license credentials in effect? >> >> Almost certainly not. >> >> Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years >> as you are about proportion? > > So you don't know where the license credential resides, but my question > is ignorant? I didn't say I don't know. I most certainly do. What's clear is that YOU have no clue about it.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-09 09:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qB_GN.95797$zqTf.93900@fx35.iad> |
| In reply to | #143550 |
On 2024-03-08 19:27, Alan wrote: > On 2024-03-08 13:41, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2024-03-07 20:20, Alan wrote: >>> On 2024-03-07 14:25, Alan Browne wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06 20:17, Alan wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-06 17:04, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-03-06, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of >>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>>>>>>> system Applications folder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Huh? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Give an example of one such application. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd be willing to bet Adobe's Creative Cloud apps don't like being >>>>>> anywhere but their designated place in /Applications. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How much? >>>>> >>>>> To be fair, I just moved Adobe Illustrator 2023 (and it's entire >>>>> folder to be sure) from Applications to my Desktop folder... >>>>> >>>>> ...and it seems to work fine. >>>>> >>>>> :-) >>>> >>>> And where does the license credential reside? >>> [AAA] You said: >>> I don't know... ...but moving the application made no difference to >>> how it ran. >>> >>>> >>>> Can you now connect that external drive to a different Mac and run >>>> it with the license credentials in effect? >>> >>> Almost certainly not. >>> >>> Are you as ignorant about how macOS has worked for the last 20+ years >>> as you are about proportion? >> >> So you don't know where the license credential resides, but my >> question is ignorant? > > I didn't say I don't know. I most certainly do. Please get your story straight - AAA above. > What's clear is that YOU have no clue about it. Not a thing I delve into. I'm very (painfully) familiar with the user Library as programming requires me to learn how it is set up for some apps (and that various apps use and abuse it in various ways... or worse - change their structures and/or locations and/or formats in updates with no warning). How, eg, Adobe, store license data isn't of interest to me. I buy the product, install it, register it and move on. Oops - I don't anymore - they went full rental and I don't rent s/w ... -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 17:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <S7rGN.405893$Ama9.350325@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #143493 |
On 2024-03-06 18:01, Alan wrote: > On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >> On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said: >>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> >>> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up >>>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac. >>>>> >>>>> That is my understanding too. >>>>> >>>>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the >>>>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be. >>>>> >>>>> My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just >>>>> wonderful - but expensive! >>>> >>>> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG >>>> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display >>>> is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight >>>> consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality. >>>> It's worth every penny I paid for it. >>> >>> Thank you. That's really good to know. :-) >>> >>>>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need >>>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays. >>>> >>>> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >>>> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user. >>> >>> Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much >>> internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place >>> of choice. >>> (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.) >> >> Personally I would never use cloud storage. >> >> Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if you're >> doing high-end graphics or video work, then external Thunderbolt or >> more internal storage would be better since it's a bit faster. >> >> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >> system Applications folder. > > Huh? > > Give an example of one such application. Shouldn't matter, but I doubt a licensed install of, eg, Photoshop would work very well. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 17:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <usdp5l$1b9ra$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143514 |
On 2024-03-07 14:23, Alan Browne wrote: > On 2024-03-06 18:01, Alan wrote: >> On 2024-03-06 14:59, Your Name wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said: >>>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that >>>>>>> pop up >>>>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is my understanding too. >>>>>> >>>>>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>>>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the >>>>>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is >>>>>> just >>>>>> wonderful - but expensive! >>>>> >>>>> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG >>>>> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio >>>>> Display >>>>> is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight >>>>> consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality. >>>>> It's worth every penny I paid for it. >>>> >>>> Thank you. That's really good to know. :-) >>>> >>>>>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) >>>>>> need >>>>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >>>>> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user. >>>> >>>> Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so >>>> much >>>> internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place >>>> of choice. >>>> (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.) >>> >>> Personally I would never use cloud storage. >>> >>> Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if >>> you're doing high-end graphics or video work, then external >>> Thunderbolt or more internal storage would be better since it's a bit >>> faster. >>> >>> More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps >>> since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard >>> system Applications folder. >> >> Huh? >> >> Give an example of one such application. > > Shouldn't matter, but I doubt a licensed install of, eg, Photoshop > would work very well. > Bzzzzzzt. Wrong!
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 17:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <J6rGN.405892$Ama9.81875@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #143492 |
On 2024-03-06 17:59, Your Name wrote: > On 2024-03-06 21:40:42 +0000, dgb (David) said: >> On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> >> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up >>>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac. >>>> >>>> That is my understanding too. >>>> >>>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the >>>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be. >>>> >>>> My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is just >>>> wonderful - but expensive! >>> >>> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG >>> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display >>> is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight >>> consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality. >>> It's worth every penny I paid for it. >> >> Thank you. That's really good to know. :-) >> >>>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need >>>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays. >>> >>> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >>> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user. >> >> Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so much >> internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage place of >> choice. >> (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet connection.) > > Personally I would never use cloud storage. Why not? It's very convenient to have some data available at multiple places at any time. Just don't treat it as a backup. My business "daily" ops data is always on cloud. Just not backed up there. > > Additional external USB drives are fine for most people, but if you're > doing high-end graphics or video work, then external Thunderbolt or more > internal storage would be better since it's a bit faster. > > More internal drive space can also be needed if you run lots of apps > since some do not like to be stored / run outside of the standard system > Applications folder. Most apps don't matter where they are run from. The executable can be on volume x while the user data is on volume y. Large commercial, complex apps, esp. with a license, will often be different of course. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 01:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4si29F1b68U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143485 |
On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop >>>> up from time to time, including going to 32in iMac. >>> >>> That is my understanding too. >>> >>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the >>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be. >>> >>> My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is >>> just wonderful - but expensive! >> >> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG >> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio >> Display is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, >> backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and >> camera quality. It's worth every penny I paid for it. > > Thank you. That's really good to know. :-) > >>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) >>> need to have lots of on-board storage nowadays. >> >> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user. > > Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so > much internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage > place of choice. (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet > connection.) iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting. iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and iCloud. There are more suitable services available for generic cloud file storage. I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac. I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't suitable for cloud storage. I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the cloud. The list goes on... Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users. And I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 09:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4tfuuF5ocgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143494 |
On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 6 Mar 2024 at 16:23:38 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in >>>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop >>>>> up from time to time, including going to 32in iMac. >>>> >>>> That is my understanding too. >>>> >>>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever >>>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the >>>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be. >>>> >>>> My Professor friend has done exactly that! The Studio Display is >>>> just wonderful - but expensive! >>> >>> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG >>> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio >>> Display is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, >>> backlight consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and >>> camera quality. It's worth every penny I paid for it. >> >> Thank you. That's really good to know. :-) >> >>>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) >>>> need to have lots of on-board storage nowadays. >>> >>> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal >>> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user. >> >> Is it possible for you to explain, in simple terms, why you need so >> much internal storage rather than using the iCloud to be a storage >> place of choice. (I'm assuming you have a really good Internet >> connection.) > > iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are suggesting. > > iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your > devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced > (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something from > one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and iCloud. > There are more suitable services available for generic cloud file > storage. I don't think that is right. I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily sending it to other Apple devices. > I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause me > to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in doing > that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac. I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a small monthly fee. > I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing > projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't suitable > for cloud storage. OK - thanks for explaining. I've learned something new today! https://www.docker.com/resources/what-container/ > I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the cloud. I glibly accept Apple's free service which seems to work as designed. Setting up a new iPhone nowadays is a doddle! Just place the new one next to the old one and "voilà - it's done! HOW do you back up your mobile devices to your computer? > The list goes on... > > Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users. And > I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs. Understood. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. -- David
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 16:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4u92tF9dpeU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143501 |
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are >> suggesting. >> >> iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your >> devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced >> (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something >> from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and >> iCloud. There are more suitable services available for generic cloud >> file storage. > > I don't think that is right. It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization. > I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily > sending it to other Apple devices. That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your other devices. >> I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause >> me to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in >> doing that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac. > > I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a > small monthly fee. Nothing wrong with that. It's good to have choices. >> I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing >> projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't >> suitable for cloud storage. > > OK - thanks for explaining. > > I've learned something new today! > https://www.docker.com/resources/what-container/ > >> I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the >> cloud. > > I glibly accept Apple's free service which seems to work as designed. > Setting up a new iPhone nowadays is a doddle! Just place the new one > next to the old one and "voilà - it's done! > > HOW do you back up your mobile devices to your computer? Apple has instructions on their website, which you can find with quick web search for "back up iphone". >> The list goes on... >> >> Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users. >> And I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs. > > Understood. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. Sure. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 20:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4um8jFbejiU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143506 |
On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>> iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are >>> suggesting. >>> >>> iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of your >>> devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically synced >>> (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete something >>> from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other devices and >>> iCloud. There are more suitable services available for generic cloud >>> file storage. >> >> I don't think that is right. > > It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization. OK - Being able to take a photograph on my iPhone and have the image almost instantly available on my iMac and iPad is one of the best aspects of using Apple. >> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >> sending it to other Apple devices. > > That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts, > reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on > are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it appears > on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it gets removed > from iCloud and your other devices. I totally accept that! However, I can store any other item I wish. >>> I don't store my entire photo library in iCloud. Doing so would cause >>> me to pay a monthly or yearly subscription, and I'm not interested in >>> doing that when I have lots of storage right on my Mac. >> >> I do store all of my photo library on iCloud and I'm happy to pay a >> small monthly fee. > > Nothing wrong with that. It's good to have choices. Agreed. :-) >>> I have multiple virtual machines, Docker containers, video editing >>> projects, and lots of other things on my Mac that simply aren't >>> suitable for cloud storage. >> >> OK - thanks for explaining. >> >> I've learned something new today! >> https://www.docker.com/resources/what-container/ >> >>> I back up my Apple mobile devices to my computer rather than the >>> cloud. >> >> I glibly accept Apple's free service which seems to work as designed. >> Setting up a new iPhone nowadays is a doddle! Just place the new one >> next to the old one and "voilà - it's done! >> >> HOW do you back up your mobile devices to your computer? > > Apple has instructions on their website, which you can find with quick > web search for "back up iphone". Thank you! https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph3ecf67d29/ios >>> The list goes on... >>> >>> Like I said, I realize my needs aren't representative of most users. >>> And I don't mind paying for more internal storage on my Macs. >> >> Understood. Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. > > Sure. I meant it! ;-)
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 21:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4uq46Fc0juU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143508 |
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are >>>> suggesting. >>>> >>>> iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of >>>> your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically >>>> synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete >>>> something from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other >>>> devices and iCloud. There are more suitable services available for >>>> generic cloud file storage. >>> >>> I don't think that is right. >> >> It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization. > > OK - Being able to take a photograph on my iPhone and have the image > almost instantly available on my iMac and iPad is one of the best > aspects of using Apple. > >>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>> sending it to other Apple devices. >> >> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts, >> reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on >> are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it >> appears on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it >> gets removed from iCloud and your other devices. > > I totally accept that! > > However, I can store any other item I wish. Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted from your other devices. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 22:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4ut4kFcf8aU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143509 |
On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 01:03:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> iCloud isn't an alternate storage location the way you are >>>>> suggesting. >>>>> >>>>> iCloud's primary purpose is synchronizing content between all of >>>>> your devices. If you add a file to iCloud, it is automatically >>>>> synced (transferred) to all of your other devices. If you delete >>>>> something from one device, it gets deleted from all of your other >>>>> devices and iCloud. There are more suitable services available for >>>>> generic cloud file storage. >>>> >>>> I don't think that is right. >>> >>> It is right that's iCloud's primary purpose is synchronization. >> >> OK - Being able to take a photograph on my iPhone and have the image >> almost instantly available on my iMac and iPad is one of the best >> aspects of using Apple. >> >>>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>> sending it to other Apple devices. >>> >>> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, contacts, >>> reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app settings, and so on >>> are all synchronized between all of your devices. Add one and it >>> appears on all of your devices. Remove one from one device, and it >>> gets removed from iCloud and your other devices. >> >> I totally accept that! >> >> However, I can store any other item I wish. > > Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted from > your other devices. Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud. If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone and/or iPad. See:- https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png HTH
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 23:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4uvf2Fcn1tU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143515 |
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>> sending it to other Apple devices. >>>> >>>> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, >>>> contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app >>>> settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your >>>> devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove one >>>> from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your other >>>> devices. >>> >>> I totally accept that! >>> >>> However, I can store any other item I wish. >> >> Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted >> from your other devices. > > Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud. > > If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone and/or > iPad. > > See:- https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID. Apple's webpage about it: <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109344> Go ahead and try it for yourself. 😉 -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-03-07 23:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4v0feFcvvvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143520 |
On 7 Mar 2024 at 23:04:03 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>>> sending it to other Apple devices. >>>>> >>>>> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, >>>>> contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app >>>>> settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your >>>>> devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove one >>>>> from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your other >>>>> devices. >>>> >>>> I totally accept that! >>>> >>>> However, I can store any other item I wish. >>> >>> Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted >>> from your other devices. >> >> Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud. >> >> If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone and/or >> iPad. >> >> See:- https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png > > No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file storage > service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to all of the > Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID. "Made available to" ......... I accept that. But not installed upon. > Apple's webpage about it: > > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109344> > > Go ahead and try it for yourself. 😉 I have! :-) I can ALSO access my Apple iCloud from my Windows laptop!
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-03-08 01:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4v8geFe36dU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143522 |
On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: > On 7 Mar 2024 at 23:04:03 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>>>> sending it to other Apple devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, >>>>>> contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app >>>>>> settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your >>>>>> devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove >>>>>> one from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your >>>>>> other devices. >>>>> >>>>> I totally accept that! >>>>> >>>>> However, I can store any other item I wish. >>>> >>>> Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted >>>> from your other devices. >>> >>> Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud. >>> >>> If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone >>> and/or iPad. >>> >>> See:- >>> https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png >> >> No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file >> storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to >> all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID. > > "Made available to" ......... I accept that. But not installed upon. I'm not sure what you are here arguing about. When I take a photo on one device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add a contact on one device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add or change a calendar event, the same thing happens on my other devices. iCloud is primarily a synchronization service, but it does other things as well. You seem to want to argue that because iCloud Drive doesn't always automatically download changes to each device that somehow means it's just like any other cloud storage service, but that's simply not the case. Most data in iCloud is synchronized to all of your devices, and if you delete something from iCloud Drive it gets deleted everywhere else. It is *not* a generic cloud storage service. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-03-08 08:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l501fiFhma2U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143528 |
On 8 Mar 2024 at 01:38:22 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >> On 7 Mar 2024 at 23:04:03 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 21:32:54 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2024 at 16:42:05 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-03-07, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe iCloud can and does store material without necessarily >>>>>>>> sending it to other Apple devices. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's not its primary purpose though. As exampled, photos, >>>>>>> contacts, reminders, calendars, iCloud Drive documents, app >>>>>>> settings, and so on are all synchronized between all of your >>>>>>> devices. Add one and it appears on all of your devices. Remove >>>>>>> one from one device, and it gets removed from iCloud and your >>>>>>> other devices. >>>>>> >>>>>> I totally accept that! >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I can store any other item I wish. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, but the default behavior is if you delete it, it gets deleted >>>>> from your other devices. >>>> >>>> Perhaps you are not aware of changes made to iCloud. >>>> >>>> If you put Documents into iCloud, they are not added to iPhone >>>> and/or iPad. >>>> >>>> See:- >>>> https://i.ibb.co/ZfPsSjg/Screenshot-2024-03-07-at-22-19-10.png >>> >>> No, that's incorrect. iCloud Drive is not a generic cloud file >>> storage service. Things you add to iCloud Drive are made available to >>> all of the Apple devices that are logged in with the same Apple ID. >> >> "Made available to" ......... I accept that. But not installed upon. > > I'm not sure what you are here arguing about. When I take a photo on one > device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add a contact on > one device, it is transferred to my other devices. When I add or change > a calendar event, the same thing happens on my other devices. iCloud is > primarily a synchronization service, but it does other things as well. We are in agreement! > You seem to want to argue that because iCloud Drive doesn't always > automatically download changes to each device that somehow means it's > just like any other cloud storage service, but that's simply not the > case. Most data in iCloud is synchronized to all of your devices, and if > you delete something from iCloud Drive it gets deleted everywhere else. I don't want to argue at all! > It is *not* a generic cloud storage service. There is VERY little difference - but the iCloud is smarter than most! ;-)
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