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| Started by | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| First post | 2024-02-15 10:11 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-03-14 13:00 +0100 |
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European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 10:11 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-15 16:08 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-15 15:17 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-15 20:36 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-02-17 09:29 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-17 10:46 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-18 15:58 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 23:47 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-16 14:47 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-02-17 09:35 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-17 15:26 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-18 18:40 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-18 20:02 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-17 23:12 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-17 23:43 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-17 20:07 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-18 20:46 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-18 21:17 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-18 15:26 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:27 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-18 19:44 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 05:28 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-19 06:16 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 17:14 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 12:04 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-19 15:07 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 15:47 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:37 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:08 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2024-02-26 10:53 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:31 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 16:05 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-26 19:52 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-26 20:38 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-26 22:49 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-27 10:56 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-27 13:38 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-28 07:36 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-03-01 23:41 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-02 22:32 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:01 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 11:32 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 16:29 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 16:59 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 17:23 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 18:23 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 20:47 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:07 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-19 22:11 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 14:22 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-02-20 21:32 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 13:55 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 09:57 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 14:41 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:45 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Oliver <ollie@invalid.net> - 2024-02-20 10:02 -0700
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:48 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:34 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 14:18 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:07 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:04 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 09:28 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:15 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-21 14:19 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 13:39 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 10:10 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-02-20 20:11 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 18:23 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 14:16 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:52 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:11 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 10:12 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:24 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 15:49 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 16:36 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 20:19 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-22 10:43 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-22 09:00 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-22 14:40 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-22 14:06 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-22 20:15 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:32 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Wolf Greenblatt <wolf@greenblatt.net> - 2024-02-20 15:54 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 14:02 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:27 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:11 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:23 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:20 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 20:05 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 21:22 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". david <this@is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 14:50 -0700
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:14 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 12:58 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-21 13:50 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 23:29 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> - 2024-02-20 16:26 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-19 19:20 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 15:52 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:02 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-02-19 17:27 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-19 14:49 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-19 21:01 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 09:40 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". David B. <bdb@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-02-20 11:31 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". soyon <soyon@soyon.biz> - 2024-02-20 10:07 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:54 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 16:43 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 09:36 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:13 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2024-02-20 11:13 -0600
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-02-20 09:34 -0800
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 10:47 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Charlie <charlie@nospam.com> - 2024-02-20 10:43 -0700
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 12:53 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 16:57 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-20 18:15 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> - 2024-02-20 20:48 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-21 08:12 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:24 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-02-21 17:21 +0000
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-02-19 13:09 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-25 20:30 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-25 15:56 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-02-26 19:54 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-02-26 19:02 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-01 13:19 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-02 09:00 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-02 22:33 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-04 09:31 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-05 20:18 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 14:22 -0500
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-06 15:08 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-06 20:03 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Jan K." <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> - 2024-03-07 05:44 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-07 12:48 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-07 13:23 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-12 19:00 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-03-12 22:15 +0100
Re: European Commission sober! iMessage is not to be designated a "core platform service". Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-03-14 13:00 +0100
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-18 19:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <uquiqc$1mg6g$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143278 |
On 2/16/2024 5:47 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2024-02-16 00:47, badgolferman wrote: <snip> >> I guess Microsoft and Apple have more money to pass under the table than >> Facebook does. >> > > No. > > It is simply because usage of those platforms in the European Union is > negligible, so they are not considered "core platforms". Not important > enough. > > Notice that the decision means that the lesser platforms (like iMessage) > can demand connectivity to the core plaforms (like WhatsApp). Not the > other way round. Whatsapp gained acceptance in Europe and parts of Asia because of Android's dominance. So everyone, including iPhone uses, use WhatsApp and even thought it's owned by Meta, it's considered a core platform (much like WeChat in China). Obviously Apple decided that the downside of making iMessage a core platform outweighed the upside. At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices. -- “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 05:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <uquotd$2jca$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #143293 |
sms wrote on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:44:10 -0800 : > iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones > over Android devices. That's ridiculous. If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform. When I'm choosing a phone, the _last_ thing that matters in that decision is what dime-a-dozen who-gives-a-shit messaging app it uses by default. Anyone choosing the platform by what the default messaging app happens to be at the moment doesn't understand anything about computers because the whole point of a phone being "smart" is to run any app you want on it. Picking a platform by app is like picking a phone by its default browser. Or by its default mail user agent. Or by it's default camera app. These are computers. Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 06:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l3ga24Fprd4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143295 |
On 2024-02-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote: > sms wrote on Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:44:10 -0800 : > >> iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones >> over Android devices. > > That's ridiculous. Nope, it's true. > If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform. You have to be incredibly ignorant to think iPhones can only run one messaging app. Either that or this is your feeble attempt at erecting an incredibly weak straw man. Either way you should be embarrassed. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Andrew <andrew@spam.net> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ur029n$1gd9$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #143296 |
Jolly Roger wrote on 19 Feb 2024 06:16:36 GMT : >> That's ridiculous. > > Nope, it's true. I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the decision to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or messenger. I'm not saying people don't do it. I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. > >> If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform. > > You have to be incredibly ignorant to think iPhones can only run one > messaging app. Either that or this is your feeble attempt at erecting an > incredibly weak straw man. Either way you should be embarrassed. I didn't say anything of the sort - so that strawman is all yours. What sms said, which is what I was responding to, is that "At least in the U.S., iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones over Android devices." If a major reason for choosing a platform is the default messenger app, which is a dime a dozen and easily replaced with far better messenger apps, then that's an absurd way to choose a computer (which a "smart" phone is).
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 12:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ur0c7q$21qva$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143302 |
On 2024-02-19 09:14, Andrew wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote on 19 Feb 2024 06:16:36 GMT : > >>> That's ridiculous. >> >> Nope, it's true. > > I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the decision > to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to > choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or messenger. > > I'm not saying people don't do it. > I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. > >> >>> If a platform can only run one messaging app - it's a dumb platform. >> >> You have to be incredibly ignorant to think iPhones can only run one >> messaging app. Either that or this is your feeble attempt at erecting an >> incredibly weak straw man. Either way you should be embarrassed. > > I didn't say anything of the sort - so that strawman is all yours. > > What sms said, which is what I was responding to, is that "At least in the > U.S., iMessage is one of the major reasons that consumers choose iPhones > over Android devices." > Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the straw man you constructed. > If a major reason for choosing a platform is the default messenger app, > which is a dime a dozen and easily replaced with far better messenger apps, > then that's an absurd way to choose a computer (which a "smart" phone is).
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 15:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ur0n05$23tvd$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143302 |
On 2/19/2024 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: <snip> > I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the decision > to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to > choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or messenger. > > I'm not saying people don't do it. > I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. It is not absurd. I have a niece who's husband's relative works for Samsung. For years she was using Samsung phones that she could buy at a huge discount. Suddenly she switched to iPhone. She said that the reason was that all the parents their kids' sports teams used iMessage to communicate things like schedules, who was responsible for bringing drinks and snacks, carpool arrangements, etc.. She was in no position to try to convert everyone else to use WhatsApp, Signal, Slack, or whatever. So she capitulated for a very non-absurd reason. These days she could use something like AirMessage but that is a system that she would not know how to set up. They are not poor and have no problem spending more money on iPhones. This a very U.S.-centric issue since in other countries most people use a cross-platform messaging app. There would be little upside for Apple to open up iMessage to other platforms.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-19 15:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ur0pae$24iki$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143317 |
On 2024-02-19 15:07, sms wrote: > On 2/19/2024 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: > > <snip> > >> I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the >> decision >> to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to >> choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or >> messenger. >> >> I'm not saying people don't do it. >> I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. > > It is not absurd. > > I have a niece who's husband's relative works for Samsung. For years she > was using Samsung phones that she could buy at a huge discount. Suddenly > she switched to iPhone. She said that the reason was that all the > parents their kids' sports teams used iMessage to communicate things > like schedules, who was responsible for bringing drinks and snacks, > carpool arrangements, etc.. She was in no position to try to convert > everyone else to use WhatsApp, Signal, Slack, or whatever. So she > capitulated for a very non-absurd reason. > > These days she could use something like AirMessage but that is a system > that she would not know how to set up. They are not poor and have no > problem spending more money on iPhones. > > This a very U.S.-centric issue since in other countries most people use > a cross-platform messaging app. There would be little upside for Apple > to open up iMessage to other platforms. So many people seem to think "absurd" means: "something I don't want for myself".
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 20:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l41j7cFq7mcU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143317 |
sms, 2024-02-20 00:07: > On 2/19/2024 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: > > <snip> > >> I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the decision >> to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to >> choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or messenger. >> >> I'm not saying people don't do it. >> I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. > > It is not absurd. > > I have a niece who's husband's relative works for Samsung. For years she > was using Samsung phones that she could buy at a huge discount. Suddenly > she switched to iPhone. She said that the reason was that all the > parents their kids' sports teams used iMessage to communicate things > like schedules, who was responsible for bringing drinks and snacks, > carpool arrangements, etc.. She was in no position to try to convert > everyone else to use WhatsApp, Signal, Slack, or whatever. So she > capitulated for a very non-absurd reason. > > These days she could use something like AirMessage but that is a system > that she would not know how to set up. They are not poor and have no > problem spending more money on iPhones. Well - AirMessage is not trivial to install. You need a running mac (at least in a VM) and a gateway program: <https://airmessage.org/install/> Also the app for Android was last updated end of 2022: <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.tagavari.airmessage> No update in more than a year? Is this thing still supported at all? Looks more like a proof of concept to me. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 16:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <Q_NCN.100135$GX69.66034@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #143402 |
On 2024-02-25 14:37, Arno Welzel wrote: > sms, 2024-02-20 00:07: > >> On 2/19/2024 9:14 AM, Andrew wrote: >> >> <snip> >> >>> I read and understood what sms said which if it's true, means the decision >>> to buy an iPhone is based on absurd criteria, since it's ridiculous to >>> choose a platform by a single default app, such as a browser or messenger. >>> >>> I'm not saying people don't do it. >>> I'm saying it's an absurd reason for choosing a platform. >> >> It is not absurd. >> >> I have a niece who's husband's relative works for Samsung. For years she >> was using Samsung phones that she could buy at a huge discount. Suddenly >> she switched to iPhone. She said that the reason was that all the >> parents their kids' sports teams used iMessage to communicate things >> like schedules, who was responsible for bringing drinks and snacks, >> carpool arrangements, etc.. She was in no position to try to convert >> everyone else to use WhatsApp, Signal, Slack, or whatever. So she >> capitulated for a very non-absurd reason. >> >> These days she could use something like AirMessage but that is a system >> that she would not know how to set up. They are not poor and have no >> problem spending more money on iPhones. > > Well - AirMessage is not trivial to install. You need a running mac (at > least in a VM) and a gateway program: > > <https://airmessage.org/install/> > > Also the app for Android was last updated end of 2022: > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.tagavari.airmessage> > > No update in more than a year? Is this thing still supported at all? > Looks more like a proof of concept to me. It's a nothing burger. So unsuccessful that Apple have not even had to pay attention to killing it as they did with Beeper Mini. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-26 10:53 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <urimnv$2mlcu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143402 |
On 2/25/2024 11:37 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: <snip> > Well - AirMessage is not trivial to install. You need a running mac (at > least in a VM) and a gateway program: Actually it was quite easy to install, and I am not a Mac person by any means. But yes, it did require that I acquire a Mac of some sort. I could have done a Hackintosh but instead I bought a used Mac Mini for $100. It's in my wiring closet. It's set to power-on automatically in case of a power interruption. No mouse, keyboard, or monitor are necessary once it's set up. > <https://airmessage.org/install/> > > Also the app for Android was last updated end of 2022: > > <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.tagavari.airmessage> > > No update in more than a year? Is this thing still supported at all? > Looks more like a proof of concept to me. It works fine. No updates have been needed. Not every app needs constant updating to work. I have a few contacts who insist on using iMessage and this was the easiest way to accommodate them. -- “If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 20:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l41itaFq7mcU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143295 |
Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: [...] > These are computers. > Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only on iOS. Good luck trying to convince dozens of other people to install your favourite messenger instead to keep in touch with you. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-25 16:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5YNCN.100134$GX69.73612@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #143401 |
On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: > Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: > > [...] >> These are computers. >> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. > > Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there > is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to execute the SMS/MMS communication. > on iOS. Good luck trying to convince dozens of other people to install > your favourite messenger instead to keep in touch with you. Another way to see it is that with an iPhone you have both the country club experience of iOS (aka: the Apple Eco-System) as well as the public parks of the various messaging systems that are also available on Android. People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products you have. (the Eco-System). -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-02-26 19:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l444vjF7pr8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143404 |
Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: > On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >> >> [...] >>> These are computers. >>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >> >> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only > > False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using > Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with > people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to > execute the SMS/MMS communication. Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular you also can't join group conversions. Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. [...] > People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for > the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products > you have. (the Eco-System). I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-26 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <urissl$2o2ec$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143406 |
Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: > >> On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >>> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >>> >>> [...] >>>> These are computers. >>>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >>> >>> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >> >> False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using >> Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >> execute the SMS/MMS communication. > > Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular > you also can't join group conversions. > > Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single > person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all > just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. > > [...] >> People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >> you have. (the Eco-System). > > I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use > and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me > compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who > are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom > launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for > example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on > the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back".
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-02-26 22:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4kdvakxp2k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #143409 |
On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote: > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: >> >>> On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >>>> >>>> [...] >>>>> These are computers. >>>>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >>>> >>>> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >>> >>> False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using >>> Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >>> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >>> execute the SMS/MMS communication. >> >> Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular >> you also can't join group conversions. >> >> Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single >> person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all >> just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. >> >> [...] >>> People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >>> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>> you have. (the Eco-System). >> >> I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. > > All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back". That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe from right edge to left as "back". -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-27 10:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <urkf5n$35l1r$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143410 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote: >> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >>> Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: >>> >>>> On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>>> These are computers. >>>>>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >>>>> >>>>> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>>>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >>>> >>>> False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using >>>> Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >>>> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >>>> execute the SMS/MMS communication. >>> >>> Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular >>> you also can't join group conversions. >>> >>> Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single >>> person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all >>> just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. >>> >>> [...] >>>> People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >>>> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>>> you have. (the Eco-System). >>> >>> I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >>> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >>> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >>> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >>> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >>> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. >> >> All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back". > > That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe > from right edge to left as "back". Visually, that seems odd to me. But I guess it comes down to what you're used to.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-02-27 13:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fm11bkxvdn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #143413 |
On 2024-02-27 11:56, Chris wrote: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote: >>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >>>> Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: >>>> >>>>> On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>>> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>>> These are computers. >>>>>>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>>>>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >>>>> >>>>> False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using >>>>> Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >>>>> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >>>>> execute the SMS/MMS communication. >>>> >>>> Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular >>>> you also can't join group conversions. >>>> >>>> Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single >>>> person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all >>>> just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. >>>> >>>> [...] >>>>> People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >>>>> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>>>> you have. (the Eco-System). >>>> >>>> I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >>>> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >>>> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >>>> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >>>> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >>>> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. >>> >>> All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back". >> >> That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe >> from right edge to left as "back". > > Visually, that seems odd to me. But I guess it comes down to what you're > used to. > The previous model used a right to left swipe on the home sensor, that was also the fingerprint sensor (bottom centre of the frontal side), so when they changed to a gesture on the display, they used the same direction. Yes, once you get used, anything different is very weird. Swipe from left edge to centre, also goes back, now that I tried. I did not remember this. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-02-28 07:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <urmnps$3o22f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #143414 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2024-02-27 11:56, Chris wrote: >> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2024-02-26 21:38, Chris wrote: >>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >>>>> Alan Browne, 2024-02-25 22:05: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2024-02-25 14:31, Arno Welzel wrote: >>>>>>> Andrew, 2024-02-19 06:28: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> These are computers. >>>>>>>> Picking platforms by default app is as ridiculous as is anyone who does it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well - if you have many friends or collegues who use iMessage then there >>>>>>> is no choice to use Android. iMessage is not available for Android, only >>>>>> >>>>>> False. Messages on iPhone/iOS will communicate with people using >>>>>> Android via the telco. Indeed, from my Mac I can communicate with >>>>>> people using Android text messages as my Mac will use my iPhone to >>>>>> execute the SMS/MMS communication. >>>>> >>>>> Yes - but the it is just SMS/MMS then and not "iMessage". In particular >>>>> you also can't join group conversions. >>>>> >>>>> Of course if using plain old SMS/MMS to exchange messages with single >>>>> person is enough, than there is no reason to get a smartphone at all >>>>> just for this. Plain old mobile phones provide SMS as well. >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>>> People don't get iPhones to have the Messages app. They get them for >>>>>> the overall experience which is further enhanced the more Apple products >>>>>> you have. (the Eco-System). >>>>> >>>>> I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >>>>> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >>>>> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >>>>> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >>>>> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >>>>> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >>>>> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. >>>> >>>> All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back". >>> >>> That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe >>> from right edge to left as "back". >> >> Visually, that seems odd to me. But I guess it comes down to what you're >> used to. >> > > The previous model used a right to left swipe on the home sensor, that > was also the fingerprint sensor (bottom centre of the frontal side), so > when they changed to a gesture on the display, they used the same direction. > > Yes, once you get used, anything different is very weird. > > Swipe from left edge to centre, also goes back, now that I tried. I did > not remember this. Two "back" gestures? That's very confusing! On iOS right to left gesture so "forward" and left to right is "back".
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4dvb9Fn9aiU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143413 |
Chris, 2024-02-27 11:56: > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: [...] >> That would be very confusing for me, because my phone accepts a swipe >> from right edge to left as "back". > > Visually, that seems odd to me. But I guess it comes down to what you're > used to. Current Android versions support both. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2024-03-01 13:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4dva0Fn9aiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #143409 |
Chris, 2024-02-26 21:38: > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: [...] >> I got an iPhone from my employer as my daily driver for professional use >> and I don't really like it. The whole UI experience is awkward for me >> compared to what I am used to on my Google Pixel. Yes, for people who >> are used to iOS, it may be fine. But not having the option for a custom >> launcher dealing with different of ways how to go "back" in an app (for >> example some provide an icon for that on top, Safari has the buttons on >> the bottom, some don't have "back" at all etc.) makes it not easier for me. > > All apps accept a swipe from left to right as "back". It depends where you are and what app you use. Apple calculator: Swiping only touches the keys, but you can't go "back" to the homescreen. MS Outlook: In general when swiping from the left corner to the right, the app menu opens. In the e-mail list: swipes from left to right os "delete message" and right to left is "archive message". In the calendar: swiping changes the current day which is displayed. When the internal "apps" popup is open in Outlook, horizontal swiping is completely ignored. You can only close the popup again by dragging it down. In Android, however, going "back" in app also brings you back to the homescreen. So it is quite confusing, that on an iPhone you must use the "home" button or a special "home" gesture for this. Yes, Android also has a "home" gesture nowadays, but there is never the point that you get stuck in an app because "back" will only lead to the first screen in the app itself but not further. In addition in Android apps can call other apps to handle certain actions (known as "intentions") and for this to work as expected, it is crucial that "back" also brings you back from one app to another app. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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