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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-01-30 01:16 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-01-30 22:41 -0500 |
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[OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 01:16 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-30 07:40 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-30 07:19 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-30 13:54 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-30 09:32 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 10:53 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 14:59 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 13:14 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 15:48 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 17:47 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:04 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:49 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:03 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:12 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:27 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:38 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-30 18:28 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:05 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-01-31 15:00 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-31 13:33 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 18:13 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 18:35 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 21:00 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 19:10 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 22:07 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:49 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 00:01 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 00:10 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:06 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 01:28 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:44 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:45 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 08:43 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 17:38 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:18 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2013-02-03 11:49 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:20 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 00:36 +1300
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 06:01 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-01-31 21:47 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-31 20:57 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:00 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 16:50 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-01 18:55 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 22:05 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:15 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:42 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 15:49 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:38 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 23:04 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:13 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 11:25 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 11:19 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-02 17:07 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:36 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 22:34 +1300
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:16 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-04 21:48 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-04 23:38 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-05 22:33 +1300
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-05 05:35 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-02-02 07:20 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-01 12:03 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-02-01 12:04 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 21:29 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:28 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 00:04 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-02-03 10:00 +1300
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-02 19:41 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-02 11:01 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-03 10:23 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-03 22:17 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-04 10:29 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 22:55 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:32 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 01:34 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-06 06:10 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-06 20:12 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-07 05:15 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:25 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-07 19:23 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-08 23:35 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:24 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-04 14:25 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-02-04 13:58 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-04 23:33 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-02-05 04:54 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-03 23:21 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-02-02 18:17 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-03 11:29 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-02-01 23:22 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-01-31 23:45 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> - 2013-02-01 11:44 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-02-01 12:57 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-02-01 14:01 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-02-03 17:30 +0100
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> - 2013-02-01 11:23 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:37 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-02-03 13:52 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-02-01 05:59 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 16:00 -0700
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:10 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:32 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:18 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 14:43 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-30 18:40 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-30 18:44 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-30 16:02 -0800
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:23 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-31 14:24 +0000
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-02-03 15:58 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-31 10:16 -0600
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-31 18:41 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-30 19:19 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-30 22:00 -0500
Re: [OT, sorta] How Tim Cook Should Really Be Running Apple Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-30 22:41 -0500
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| From | AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2013-02-04 21:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <keprun$de4$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #39359 |
On Feb/3/2013 6:1656 PM, Lewis wrote: > In message<kek2m7$7dm$1@news.albasani.net> > AV3<arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Feb/2/2013 1:1931 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: >>> In article<j--dnZl_VcJyoJDMnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@earthlink.com>, >>> AV3<arviso@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> The point he confirmed is that Air and iPad cater to printers that don't >>>> need USB connection. >>> >>> They don't "cater" to printers at all. If any catering is done, it's the >>> printers that cater to the computers and tablets. >>> > > >> What I mean by "cater" is that they make it necessary to use wirelessly >> connected devices, due to reduction in the number of ports, saving the >> ports for simultaneously using devices without wireless connectivity. > > But you are wrong. I can connect 125 USB devices to ANY MAc Book Air, > assuming that a 125 port powered hub exists and that it counts as a USB > device in the chain. If not, I can connect 126 USB devices. > I am not arguing for or against the number of ports that are convenient, just pointing out that there are fewer and that the Air, like the iPad, makes it easier for those with wirelessly connectable devices than for those using USB connection. That is what I mean by "catering" to wireless users. Of course, a hub could be used by those using an Air at home. Traveling would require power cords for powered hubs and current adapters and adapter plugs for international travel. Not so convenient. I think of laptops mainly as travel devices, but for the record, I use my laptop at home, and its ports accommodate my peripherals without a hub, though I have used powered hubs in the past. When I travel with it, I take no peripherals. I will have to look into peripheral CD/DVD drives for the future. And hubs for home use. >> It is the only one with a solid state hard drive and reduced number of >> ports. > > Bullshit. The Retina is too new for me. I haven't even seen one. I only mentioned it based on some one else's observation that it has no internal CD/DVD drive. Are there others? > >> Until recently it was the only one without an internal CD/DVD >> drive. > > That is also not true. See above. > >> It is lighter in weight than most. In those respects it is more >> like an iPad. > > In no respects is it more like an iPad. You're simply wrong. > I have repeatedly listed similarities between the Air and the iPad. You may consider them superficial and/or coincidental. I see a trend to smaller, lighter laptops without internal CD/DVD drives, with fewer ports, and solid-state. Those are also features of iPads. I realize there are great differences. But they got fewer during the past year. I have no problem agreeing that we disagree. > > -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-02-04 23:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-F3E60E.23381604022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39443 |
In article <keprun$de4$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> It is the only one with a solid state hard drive and reduced number > >> of ports. > > The Retina is too new for me. I haven't even seen one. I only mentioned > it based on some one else's observation that it has no internal CD/DVD > drive. Are there others? You're too lazy to look it up yourself? Macintosh computers without built-in optical drives: MacBook Air, MacBook Pro with Retina Display, 2012 iMac, and 2012 Mac mini. In fact, the only Macs with built-in optical drives are the MacBook Pro and the Mac Pro (other than the server model). > I have repeatedly listed similarities between the Air and the iPad. You > may consider them superficial and/or coincidental. Definitely irrelevant. > I see a trend to smaller, lighter laptops without internal CD/DVD > drives, with fewer ports, and solid-state. Those are also features of > iPads. The 21.5" iMac is 8 pounds lighter than its predecessor;the 27" iMac is 9.5 pounds lighter than its predecessor. Neither has an optical disk. The 27" model has an optional SSD instead of a hard drive. Both have optional Fusion Drives, which contain an SSD. Neither has a Firewire port. Those are also features of the iPads. So by your logic, the iMac is converging with the iPad. > I have no problem agreeing that we disagree. I agree that we disagree, but I don't agree to disagree. The fact is that you are just plain wrong. -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2013-02-05 22:33 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1kxubnt.ojku9ggjs5u5N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #39451 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <keprun$de4$1@news.albasani.net>, AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > >> It is the only one with a solid state hard drive and reduced number > > >> of ports. > > > > The Retina is too new for me. I haven't even seen one. I only mentioned > > it based on some one else's observation that it has no internal CD/DVD > > drive. Are there others? > > You're too lazy to look it up yourself? > > Macintosh computers without built-in optical drives: MacBook Air, MacBook > Pro with Retina Display, 2012 iMac, and 2012 Mac mini. Also 2011 Mac Mini, and mid 2010 Mac Mini Server, and late 2009 Mac Mini Server. > In fact, the only Macs with built-in optical drives are the MacBook Pro and > the Mac Pro (other than the server model). And there is a high likelihood that some or all of those models will be revised or discontinued this year, which may eliminate the built-in optical drive from all new Macs. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2013-02-05 05:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5110e070$0$26811$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #39455 |
On 13-02-05 04:33, David Empson wrote: > And there is a high likelihood that some or all of those models will be > revised or discontinued this year, which may eliminate the built-in > optical drive from all new Macs. I'd say the MacPro will retain drive bays to add DVD/Blueray for professionals. But after spending many hours fighting my iPhone, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple took out optical drive capability on the MacPro.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 07:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-C8459E.07203702022013@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #39281 |
In article <oYydneZV9KL1DZHMnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@earthlink.com>, AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hindsight is 20/20. At least we agree about not seeing it coming. > Additionally, I thought the proprietary Mac OS was on its way into a > dead end of increasing extension conflicts, and I thought Steve Jobs had > towering grudges against Intel and Unix. But I was dead wrong about his > inability to divorce his personal feelings from the good of the > corporation, if that was the case. We learn, we grow; people change - whether they want to or realize it or not. It's part of being human. -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-02-01 12:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-1D8501.12033301022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39254 |
In article <kIGdnZTxZ4AKe5bMnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> I am expressing opinion with no technical expertise to back it up. But > >> from casual observation, I notice that the MacBook Air has lots fewer > >> functions than my MacBook Pro, but it seems to have found a place in the > >> market. Isn't it an evolutionary step towards an iPad? > > > > Fewer functions, or fewer I/O ports? Regardless, that has nothing to do > > with the iPad. > > Fewer I/O ports and no internal CD/DVD drive, depriving one of a source > for importing files into iTunes. I can't remember the last time I put a CD or DVD into the drive of my former iMac. Fewer and fewer people are buying CDs and DVDs when they can get the material (usually for less money) on line. The drive is almost archaic. And for those who need a drive, externals are available. > Also, some peripherals, like printers, won't function remotely from an > external USB hub. I am speaking of the first generation of Airs, Because it had only one USB port? And you mean some printers, not all printers, right? Anyway, most printers these days have ethernet and/or WiFi in addition to USB. > as I haven't even looked at one since. Current Airs have two USB 3 ports. > >> And of course I long thought I would never see "Intel Inside". > > > > Of course, that has nothing to do with the iPad. At one time, I never > > thought that Apple would use a CPU based on IBM technology, but that > > happened as well. > > I meant that as a reply to your citing Apple sources that the two OS's > will never completely merge. I fail to see how your reply relates to my cite. -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2013-02-01 12:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <keh75b$sb0$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #39268 |
On 2013-02-01 19:03:33 +0000, Michelle Steiner said: > > I can't remember the last time I put a CD or DVD into the drive of my > former iMac. Fewer and fewer people are buying CDs and DVDs when they can > get the material (usually for less money) on line. The drive is almost > archaic. And for those who need a drive, externals are available. I use the one on my iMac very regularly. It was a factor in my preferring the 2011 model over the newly released one. It wasn't the only factor (since, as you said, an external is easy enough to add). In fact, it was probably the least important of the factors I considered. But it was a factor. > >> Also, some peripherals, like printers, won't function remotely from an >> external USB hub. I am speaking of the first generation of Airs, > > Because it had only one USB port? And you mean some printers, not all > printers, right? Anyway, most printers these days have ethernet and/or > WiFi in addition to USB. In my experience, most problems with devices plugged into a hub rather than directly into the computer related to the devices requiring power. Using a powered hub solved it. There may be other situations of which I'm unaware (ie. something other than power being the issue). That said, I do prefer to use proper networking for my printers. However, the Canon MX870 we have, well, its networking is flaky at best, whether wifi or wired. Plugged directly into USB, it's rock-solid. In fact, for a long time, I ran a very long USB from it to the iMac and let the iMac share it with the rest of the network and that was by far the most reliable way to use that thing. I can see them pulling ports off of the Airs, but was disappointed to see how few ports they are putting onto the retina machines (understandable because they are going for such a slim device, but still disappointing, amongst other design issues related to them I didn't like much - some of the same issues I have with the 2012 iMac regarding them being designed never to be opened and making upgrades/changes more difficult than I think they should be. I accept that the average user is unlikely to do the kinds of repairs/changes that I have done, but it does affect my priorities when I choose a device).
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| From | AV3 <arviso@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2013-02-01 21:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <i7OdnQPFIceT55HMnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #39268 |
On Feb/1/2013 2:0333 PM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article<kIGdnZTxZ4AKe5bMnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, > AV3<arviso@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>> I am expressing opinion with no technical expertise to back it up. But >>>> from casual observation, I notice that the MacBook Air has lots fewer >>>> functions than my MacBook Pro, but it seems to have found a place in the >>>> market. Isn't it an evolutionary step towards an iPad? >>> >>> Fewer functions, or fewer I/O ports? Regardless, that has nothing to do >>> with the iPad. > >> >> Fewer I/O ports and no internal CD/DVD drive, depriving one of a source >> for importing files into iTunes. > > I can't remember the last time I put a CD or DVD into the drive of my > former iMac. Fewer and fewer people are buying CDs and DVDs when they can > get the material (usually for less money) on line. The drive is almost > archaic. And for those who need a drive, externals are available. > I shouldn't have made that comment about my peculiar need for a CD drive, because I agree that eliminating the internal CD/DVD drive and multiple I/O ports is what Apple seems to regard as the wave of the future, first in the Air, and then similarly in the iPad. >> Also, some peripherals, like printers, won't function remotely from an >> external USB hub. I am speaking of the first generation of Airs, > > Because it had only one USB port? And you mean some printers, not all > printers, right? Anyway, most printers these days have ethernet and/or > WiFi in addition to USB. > Again, the wave of the future. >> as I haven't even looked at one since. > > Current Airs have two USB 3 ports. Does that mean that multiple USB ports are still desirable? > >>>> And of course I long thought I would never see "Intel Inside". >>> >>> Of course, that has nothing to do with the iPad. At one time, I never >>> thought that Apple would use a CPU based on IBM technology, but that >>> happened as well. >> >> I meant that as a reply to your citing Apple sources that the two OS's >> will never completely merge. > > I fail to see how your reply relates to my cite. > The intended humor has now evaporated, but I just wanted to say that the unexpected may happen. I wasn't attributing to any Apple employee statements the feeling that Intel products were never going to be used in Apple devices, but it was a general feeling among all Apple users I knew then until the unexpected announcement. I do take the current Apple statement that the OS's will not merge as a revisable prediction, not as an ironclad promise forever. -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-02-01 23:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39268 |
On 02-01-2013 14:03, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> I can't remember the last time I put a CD or DVD into the drive of my
> former iMac. Fewer and fewer people are buying CDs and DVDs when they can
> get the material (usually for less money) on line. The drive is almost
> archaic. And for those who need a drive, externals are available.
There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and
DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the
number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most
manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't matter."
--
Wes Groleau
“If it wasn't for that blasted back-hoe,
a hundred of us could be working with shovels”
“Yeah, and if it weren't for our shovels,
a thousand of us could be working with spoons."
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 00:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-F30DB8.00040302022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39285 |
In article <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and > DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the > number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most > manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't > matter." If Apple had that attitude, there wouldn't be an Apple branded USB SuperDrive. -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kejluq$8oe$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39292 |
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me>, > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > >> There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and >> DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the >> number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most >> manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't >> matter." > > If Apple had that attitude, there wouldn't be an Apple branded USB > SuperDrive. What's that? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2013-02-03 10:00 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1kxpn6z.t8jzgv1yjf3w7N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #39308 |
Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me>, > > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > > > >> There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and > >> DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the > >> number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most > >> manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't > >> matter." > > > > If Apple had that attitude, there wouldn't be an Apple branded USB > > SuperDrive. > > What's that? http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A An external optical drive which can be used with all Mac models that don't have a built-in optical drive (or others in the same generation where some models have no built-in optical drive): MacBook Air, MacBook Pro with Retina display, late 2012 iMac, and Mac Mini from late 2009. For some bizarre reason, Apple decided to prevent it working on models where every model in that generation do have a built-in optical drive, but a software hack can get around that. Because of that restriction, I've never bought one, but got a third party external optical drive instead, so I have the flexibility of being able to use it on any Mac without mucking around. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 19:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-AFFB89.19412502022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39308 |
In article <kejluq$8oe$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > > If Apple had that attitude, there wouldn't be an Apple branded USB > > SuperDrive. > > What's that? <http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive> -- All usenet users are quirky, but some are more quirky than others.
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 11:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <droleary.usenet-1353C9.11012802022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39285 |
In article <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and
> DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the
> number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most
> manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't matter."
It's just a matter of economies of scale. All those people need to do
is be willing to pay 2x, 10x, or more to keep using a technology with a
smaller market. It's wrong to blame the manufacturers for constantly
improving their technology or introducing better alternatives.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
and probably your server, too.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-02-02 18:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kejluo$8oe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39302 |
Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> wrote: > In article <kei4kn$jun$1@dont-email.me>, > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > >> There are still people whose bandwidth makes CDs online impractical and >> DVDs impossible. It's an unfortunate fact of the market that when the >> number of those people gets below some threshold, the attitude of most >> manufacturers (Apple included) will become "Screw them; they don't matter." > > It's just a matter of economies of scale. All those people need to do > is be willing to pay 2x, 10x, or more to keep using a technology with a > smaller market. It's wrong to blame the manufacturers for constantly > improving their technology or introducing better alternatives. Improving downhill. Better is a matter of opibion. Word processors I've had to adopt because of other alleged improvements--usually an attempt to foolproof something at the cost of personal control-- have gotten wotse each time since ClarisWorks4 for my uses. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2013-02-03 10:23 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <droleary.usenet-024B53.10234203022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39306 |
In article <kejluo$8oe$1@dont-email.me>,
Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Improving downhill. Better is a matter of opibion. Word processors I've had
> to adopt because of other alleged improvements--usually an attempt to
> foolproof something at the cost of personal control-- have gotten wotse
> each time since ClarisWorks4 for my uses.
Software is a similar arms race to hardware. When it comes to word
processors, though, there still exists a wide range of choices all the
way from basic text to page layout. All my "word processing" formatting
needs have been covered by TextEdit and/or HTML for pretty much the last
decade. I don't know what your needs are, but I'm still not going to
fault the software developers for creating bloat if bloat is what sells.
Maybe if you instead bought something that is *less* than what you need,
*that* developer might be able to improve it.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
and probably your server, too.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-02-03 22:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kemnl9$u58$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39333 |
Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> wrote: > In article <kejluo$8oe$1@dont-email.me>, > Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >> Improving downhill. Better is a matter of opibion. Word processors I've had >> to adopt because of other alleged improvements--usually an attempt to >> foolproof something at the cost of personal control-- have gotten wotse >> each time since ClarisWorks4 for my uses. > > Software is a similar arms race to hardware. When it comes to word > processors, though, there still exists a wide range of choices all the > way from basic text to page layout. All my "word processing" formatting > needs have been covered by TextEdit and/or HTML for pretty much the last > decade. I don't know what your needs are, but I'm still not going to > fault the software developers for creating bloat if bloat is what sells. > Maybe if you instead bought something that is *less* than what you need, > *that* developer might be able to improve it. My choice is limited by the need to use it on more than one device and further limited by the OS I had to upgrade to to communicate between iPad and laptop as well as still access old documents now and then. Pages is, in my opinion, full of useless bloat and no longer has half the useful abilities of AppleWorks, which was bloated and in turn less useful than ClarisWorks. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> |
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| Date | 2013-02-04 10:29 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <droleary.usenet-FBD9B5.10291704022013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #39353 |
In article <kemnl9$u58$1@dont-email.me>,
Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> My choice is limited by the need to use it on more than one device and
> further limited by the OS I had to upgrade to to communicate between iPad
> and laptop as well as still access old documents now and then. Pages is,
> in my opinion, full of useless bloat and no longer has half the useful
> abilities of AppleWorks, which was bloated and in turn less useful than
> ClarisWorks.
Again, you're just talking about software you "use" rather than your
needs. You may be better served by not being locked into a single
vendor. There are many document formats that don't require any
particular device or piece of software, starting with HTML. If you
really want help in finding a better solution, stop talking about what
you don't want and start talking about what problems you have that can't
be solved with TextEdit or other simple alternative that you've tried.
--
iPhone apps that matter: http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
and probably your server, too.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-02-04 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <kepe90$fr0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #39409 |
Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> wrote: > In article <kemnl9$u58$1@dont-email.me>, > Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >> My choice is limited by the need to use it on more than one device and >> further limited by the OS I had to upgrade to to communicate between iPad >> and laptop as well as still access old documents now and then. Pages is, >> in my opinion, full of useless bloat and no longer has half the useful >> abilities of AppleWorks, which was bloated and in turn less useful than >> ClarisWorks. > > Again, you're just talking about software you "use" rather than your > needs. You may be better served by not being locked into a single > vendor. There are many document formats that don't require any > particular device or piece of software, starting with HTML. If you > really want help in finding a better solution, stop talking about what > you don't want and start talking about what problems you have that can't > be solved with TextEdit or other simple alternative that you've tried. As I said, I also use paper. Html has no application I'm aware of thereto. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-02-04 23:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnkh0h93.1dht.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #39427 |
In message <kepe90$fr0$1@dont-email.me> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > Doc O'Leary <droleary.usenet@1q2013.subsume.com> wrote: >> In article <kemnl9$u58$1@dont-email.me>, >> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: >> >>> My choice is limited by the need to use it on more than one device and >>> further limited by the OS I had to upgrade to to communicate between iPad >>> and laptop as well as still access old documents now and then. Pages is, >>> in my opinion, full of useless bloat and no longer has half the useful >>> abilities of AppleWorks, which was bloated and in turn less useful than >>> ClarisWorks. >> >> Again, you're just talking about software you "use" rather than your >> needs. You may be better served by not being locked into a single >> vendor. There are many document formats that don't require any >> particular device or piece of software, starting with HTML. If you >> really want help in finding a better solution, stop talking about what >> you don't want and start talking about what problems you have that can't >> be solved with TextEdit or other simple alternative that you've tried. > As I said, I also use paper. Html has no application I'm aware of thereto. The last time I had to create a form I made in in HTML and printed it to PDF. Worked just fine. The more CSS you know, the easier this is. -- "I know she's in there," said Verence, holding his crown in his hands in the famous Ai-Señor-Mexican-Bandits-Have-Raided-Our-Village position
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