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| Started by | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| First post | 2011-04-13 07:25 -0400 |
| Last post | 2011-04-17 14:45 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 211 — 35 participants |
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OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 07:25 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-13 07:55 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-13 15:56 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 16:49 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-13 22:10 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 17:41 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-13 22:43 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 17:47 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-13 17:30 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 17:46 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-14 10:08 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-14 13:03 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-14 14:38 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-14 15:15 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-15 12:05 +1200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 20:48 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-14 21:51 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 08:15 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-16 00:23 +1200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-14 21:34 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-14 22:13 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-15 09:12 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 17:14 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 19:20 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-16 23:40 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 07:46 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-17 13:40 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-17 14:21 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 06:49 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:18 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:41 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:37 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2011-04-15 23:55 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 07:48 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 09:35 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:20 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:39 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:20 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-18 13:18 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-19 09:00 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-19 09:02 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-22 23:23 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 17:52 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-16 23:38 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 07:49 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 09:59 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:28 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:06 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 16:56 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 09:56 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 07:58 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 12:32 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:35 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-19 12:41 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-19 08:00 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-19 09:04 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2011-04-18 10:25 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-20 09:31 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.co.uk> - 2011-04-15 21:44 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 07:50 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 20:38 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-14 21:26 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-18 17:13 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-18 19:43 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-19 09:06 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-20 11:58 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-20 09:10 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-20 09:17 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:25 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 20:25 -0400
OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 07:03 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 09:58 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:37 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 08:12 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-15 11:10 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:38 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 17:54 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 14:56 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 19:27 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 22:32 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-16 10:42 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-15 11:37 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 12:51 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 17:10 +0200
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2011-04-17 11:29 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2011-04-17 11:16 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 11:48 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:22 +0200
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-18 07:44 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 08:47 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Kiraly <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 15:16 -0700
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-18 19:48 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2011-04-19 02:58 +0000
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 07:45 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-18 10:13 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-18 14:49 -0500
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-18 22:53 +0000
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:20 +0200
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:37 -0400
Re: OS X and the iToy ecosystem Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2011-04-15 17:11 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 12:22 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:58 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-13 21:04 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:49 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:29 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:52 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-04-14 20:17 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:31 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-14 21:43 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2011-04-18 12:37 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider billy@MIX.COM - 2011-04-13 20:04 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:29 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider billy@MIX.COM - 2011-04-16 04:52 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-16 01:08 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:42 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-16 10:45 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider billy@MIX.COM - 2011-04-20 01:41 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-20 07:54 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:39 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-13 15:45 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 16:22 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider AES <siegman@stanford.edu> - 2011-04-13 15:08 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-13 18:20 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 07:54 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:52 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider billy@MIX.COM - 2011-04-16 04:45 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-13 21:02 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 02:13 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:37 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 20:14 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 22:04 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 04:12 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 06:47 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2011-04-16 01:23 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 20:34 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-04-15 11:49 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:26 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2011-04-15 12:25 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 08:35 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-15 12:12 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:11 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 19:08 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 16:06 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 14:53 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 19:25 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 20:08 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 22:29 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:24 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 19:13 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-15 21:09 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 20:31 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 20:32 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:18 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-15 23:33 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 08:39 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 11:20 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 08:43 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-15 18:18 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2011-04-16 01:36 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-16 17:04 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:13 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2011-04-16 01:17 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:10 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 07:16 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:04 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 16:03 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:03 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-15 07:43 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:52 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 16:56 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-19 12:42 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-14 10:52 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-14 08:35 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-13 21:35 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-13 22:04 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-13 23:01 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 02:41 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-15 23:40 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-16 00:59 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2011-04-15 23:42 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:45 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:43 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Sander Tekelenburg <user@domain.invalid> - 2011-04-14 05:23 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:37 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-17 12:20 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-04-13 20:24 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-14 21:02 +1200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 15:31 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 06:47 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:34 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 10:09 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-17 12:33 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 09:46 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 15:59 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:19 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-04-17 15:02 -0700
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-17 17:44 -0500
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:43 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> - 2011-04-18 12:41 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 17:29 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:17 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 18:30 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-17 15:58 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 23:10 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-14 10:04 +0100
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-04-14 06:50 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2011-04-15 00:39 +1200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2011-04-14 17:45 +0000
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 14:53 +0200
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-04-14 16:25 -0400
Re: OS X Lion - breakdown of features, changes - appleinsider Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 14:45 +0200
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2011-04-19 09:02 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8u-dnX79zuJkGjDQnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #1083 |
On 2011-04-19 09:00 , J.J. O'Shea wrote: > oh, _you_ will want to keep it and use it. _They_ won't want to support it. > They'll abandon it, 'cause it's too old and they don't want to know. That's > what I meant by 'abandonware'. I don't get how you can wave your hands around and type at the same time. -- gmail originated posts filtered due to spam.
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-22 23:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iotgo2016ca@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1084 |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:02:49 -0400, Alan Browne wrote (in article <8u-dnX79zuJkGjDQnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@giganews.com>): > On 2011-04-19 09:00 , J.J. O'Shea wrote: > >> oh, _you_ will want to keep it and use it. _They_ won't want to support it. >> They'll abandon it, 'cause it's too old and they don't want to know. That's >> what I meant by 'abandonware'. > > I don't get how you can wave your hands around and type at the same time. > > It's incredibly easy to do. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 17:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <paul.nospam-560F15.17525717042011@pbook.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #879 |
In article <leoblaisdell-A75830.23555615042011@News.Individual.NET>, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > In article <io9g7d024q4@news5.newsguy.com>, > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > It won't. Not unless Epson gives Apple an Intel driver between now and when > > Lion ships, 'cause the drivers in question are PPC-only. It's fairly easy > > to > > verify this, too. > > I would expect Epson to do so. I would expect a lot of companies to do > so if their product is relatively current. Apple switched to Intel quite > a while ago, and other companies knew what was coming. I think you're > giving Apple short shrift. > But how far back will Epson or any other manufacturer go? There are probably plenty of old models out there which are working fine, but which many manufacturers won't go back and update drivers for. As someone already pointed out, if writing those drivers was farmed out to another company, that company may not exist any more. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2011-04-16 23:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iodnba$let$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #786 |
On 04-15-2011 01:13, nospam wrote:
> so the problem is that you have clients who won't upgrade*eight* year
> old software.
> they're the ones holding you back, not apple.
>
>>[snip]
>> > properly in Windows than the newer versions. We must support people who use
>> > Windows. We_cannot_ upgrade.
> sure you can.
>
> you might lose a few clients, but maybe gain a whole lot more.
1. The quantity of people still using Internet Explorer Six
is _huge_.
2. This doesn't stop suppliers of web-based software that we'd
like to use from blaming _our_ use of IE6 for the problems
that are really caused by their belief that they can't sell
their stuff unless they make it so ridiculously complicated
that it's a miracle it works on _any_ browser.
3. Before you also chastise us for our use of IE6, let me explain
that we have another class of vendor: Those that developed
a product that worked on IE6 back in the days when people
thought that's all there is; and who figure there's no reason
to fix what works. AND, like it or not, we have to go very
slowly about getting rid of these dinosaurs, because not only
do their products work well (except for the @#$#%^ IE6 issue),
but what they work well at is a major factor in the health
and well-being of hospital patients.
--
Wes Groleau
To share or not to share
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/BlindDog?itemid=4012
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 07:49 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #900 |
On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 23:38:23 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote (in article <iodnba$let$1@dont-email.me>): > On 04-15-2011 01:13, nospam wrote: >> so the problem is that you have clients who won't upgrade*eight* year >> old software. >> they're the ones holding you back, not apple. >> >>> [snip] >>>> properly in Windows than the newer versions. We must support people who >>>> use >>>> Windows. We_cannot_ upgrade. >> sure you can. >> >> you might lose a few clients, but maybe gain a whole lot more. > > 1. The quantity of people still using Internet Explorer Six > is _huge_. > > 2. This doesn't stop suppliers of web-based software that we'd > like to use from blaming _our_ use of IE6 for the problems > that are really caused by their belief that they can't sell > their stuff unless they make it so ridiculously complicated > that it's a miracle it works on _any_ browser. > > 3. Before you also chastise us for our use of IE6, let me explain > that we have another class of vendor: Those that developed > a product that worked on IE6 back in the days when people > thought that's all there is; and who figure there's no reason > to fix what works. AND, like it or not, we have to go very > slowly about getting rid of these dinosaurs, because not only > do their products work well (except for the @#$#%^ IE6 issue), > but what they work well at is a major factor in the health > and well-being of hospital patients. > > he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of users still using the ancient software he despises. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 09:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4daaf227$0$671$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #917 |
In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of users > still using the ancient software he despises. I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do this kind of thing: <!--[if lt IE 9]> put all sorts of old crap here <![endif]--> which works quite well (back to IE5) and allows me to hide any possible hint of innovation or modernity from those who see those things as a wicked intrusion into their self-satisfaction. No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. Why are MS users so willfully stupid? -- If you could teach a cat to dance, you'd never have to leave the house. -- Pat Sajak
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 12:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iof4g52e64@news5.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #933 |
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:59:03 -0400, Warren Oates wrote (in article <4daaf227$0$671$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>): > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of >> users >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > this kind of thing: > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > put all sorts of old crap here > <![endif]--> > > which works quite well (back to IE5) and allows me to hide any possible > hint of innovation or modernity from those who see those things as a > wicked intrusion into their self-satisfaction. > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > It's spelled 'Active X'. Far too many web apps are built for far too many different _industries_ (not companies, _industries_) which depend on Active X as it was done for MSIE 6... and which simply won't work anymore. That's why so many machines are still running WinXP Service Pack 2: SP3 forced the update from MSIE 6 to 7, and that broke lots and lots of web apps! How long ago did SP3 come out? Well, that's how long entire _industries_ have been using stuff they _know_ can't be upgraded... but stick with it 'cause doing otherwise would be hideously expensive. The banks, for example, are finally moving to Win7 and MSIE 8... but not because they want to. Rather, it's because the Feds are making them move, and Microsoft has lit a fire under them by announcing that support for SP2 is gone (as of last year June) so it's not as though they had a choice. I've got clients who are literally upgrading from WinNT4 to XP. Yes, you read that correctly. They're _upgrading_ to XP. Why they don't just go to Win7 and be done is unclear to me, but they're the clients and we must support them or lose the contracts. We'd rather be paid, thanks. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 10:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <paul.nospam-18D586.10061218042011@pbook.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #956 |
In article <iof4g52e64@news5.newsguy.com>, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:59:03 -0400, Warren Oates wrote > (in article <4daaf227$0$671$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>): > > > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of > >> users > >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > > this kind of thing: > > > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > > > put all sorts of old crap here > > <![endif]--> > > > > which works quite well (back to IE5) and allows me to hide any possible > > hint of innovation or modernity from those who see those things as a > > wicked intrusion into their self-satisfaction. > > > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > > > > It's spelled 'Active X'. Far too many web apps are built for far too many > different _industries_ (not companies, _industries_) which depend on Active X > as it was done for MSIE 6... and which simply won't work anymore. That's why > so many machines are still running WinXP Service Pack 2: SP3 forced the > update from MSIE 6 to 7, and that broke lots and lots of web apps! How long > ago did SP3 come out? Well, that's how long entire _industries_ have been > using stuff they _know_ can't be upgraded... but stick with it 'cause doing > otherwise would be hideously expensive. I can well imagine this. > The banks, for example, are finally > moving to Win7 and MSIE 8... but not because they want to. Rather, it's > because the Feds are making them move, and Microsoft has lit a fire under > them by announcing that support for SP2 is gone (as of last year June) so > it's not as though they had a choice. I've got clients who are literally > upgrading from WinNT4 to XP. Yes, you read that correctly. They're > _upgrading_ to XP. Why they don't just go to Win7 and be done is unclear to > me, but they're the clients and we must support them or lose the contracts. > We'd rather be paid, thanks. I've worked in a bank myself. They tend to have a huge base of internal applications which the customers never see. And then there are things like SAP. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 16:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #933 |
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of users >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > this kind of thing: > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > put all sorts of old crap here > <![endif]--> Yeah, especially when the stuff you put there crashes IE. That is the best :) > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. -- this is not a signture
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 09:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <paul.nospam-D012A2.09562018042011@pbook.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #967 |
In article <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> , Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote: > > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > > They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in > companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. 7 or 8 years ago I came across a mentality where some web developers thought it was outrageous that: a) my employers weren't running MSIE b) they wouldn't let me install it on my work PC Of course, that place had IE aware web sites for external customers, but for the internal applications, it was Netscape all the way. Some folks don't understand what a mammoth job it can be to update and test all that lot. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 07:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jollyroger-7EFB57.07582218042011@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #967 |
In article <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> , Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote: > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of > >> users > >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > > this kind of thing: > > > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > > > put all sorts of old crap here > > <![endif]--> > > Yeah, especially when the stuff you put there crashes IE. That is the best > :) > > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > > They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in > companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. Or a combination of the two. : ) I can't tell you how many times I've heard "Well IT insists that I use IE" in the past decade. ; ) -- Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 12:32 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4dac67a8$0$28825$c3e8da3$f48d872@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #1022 |
In article <jollyroger-7EFB57.07582218042011@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Or a combination of the two. : ) I can't tell you how many times I've > heard "Well IT insists that I use IE" in the past decade. ; ) I don't mind them using IE -- what I can't understand is the refusal to update to a newer version. IE8 isn't a bad browser, requires very few tweaks. IE9, which only works with Windows 7, apparently is fully compliant with all my experiments. No one seems to use IE 7, because once you've started on the upgrade path, you stay on it, I guess. -- If you could teach a cat to dance, you'd never have to leave the house. -- Pat Sajak
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 12:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iohp8902c7v@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1022 |
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:58:22 -0400, Jolly Roger wrote (in article <jollyroger-7EFB57.07582218042011@news.individual.net>): > In article > <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> > , > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: >>> In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, >>> J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: >>> >>>> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of >>>> users >>>> still using the ancient software he despises. >>> >>> I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do >>> this kind of thing: >>> >>> <!--[if lt IE 9]> >>> >>> put all sorts of old crap here >>> <![endif]--> >> >> Yeah, especially when the stuff you put there crashes IE. That is the best >>>> >> >>> No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. >>> Why are MS users so willfully stupid? >> >> They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in >> companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. > > Or a combination of the two. : ) I can't tell you how many times I've > heard "Well IT insists that I use IE" in the past decade. ; ) > > Well, _that_ is spelled 'Active Directory'. AD allows you to pull _all kinds of tricks... if the only browser in use is MSIE. Using some other browser bypasses most of the tricks. IT will therefore try their best to make sure that only MSIE is installed. Which is why I carry a laptop _and_ a USB web-connect stick. I can ignore the restrictions of the local IT department whenever I'm at a client site. And, oh, one more thing, actually on topic this time: As Apple has dumped Samba (thanks to the new GPL3 being aimed right at Apple and others who were 'exploiting the loopholes' in previous versions) and has written a whole new SMB stack for Lion, there's _another_ reason to not use Lion: incompatibility with Active Directory. I have it on _very_ good authority that Apple's new SMB setup _hates_ binding to Active Directory. They're working on it and trying to fix it, but so far it flat out refuses to bind to Server 2003 or earlier AD setups, and has spotty connectivity to Server 2008 setups. Or so I'm told, anyway. Well, not so much told as heard the screams of rage emanating from the office where the Mac with the Lion test setup is locked away. Pretty much everyone in a half-mile radius heard _that_. (Other screams of rage were due to printer problems. How do you think I _knew_ to check certain printers? Why do you think I can be absolutely _certain_ that they simply don't work in Lion and won't work unless and until the vendor ships new drivers? Why do you think I went on a hunt for PPC-only items on my system, and found that, for example, _some Automator scripts_ count as PPC-only? There's _lots_ of PPC-only stuff in there!) I'm not under NDA, but those who are might want to invest in better sound-proofing. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2011-04-19 12:41 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <paul.nospam-32D019.12411219042011@pbook.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #1035 |
In article <iohp8902c7v@news3.newsguy.com>, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > I'm not under NDA, but those who are might want to invest in better > sound-proofing. That comment is sheer class. :-) -- Paul Sture
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2011-04-19 08:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VtGdndfkQrXM5DDQnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #1035 |
On 2011-04-18 12:35 , J.J. O'Shea wrote: > Well, _that_ is spelled 'Active Directory'. AD allows you to pull _all kinds When I see so many underlines for emphasis I don't even read the post. -- gmail originated posts filtered due to spam.
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-19 09:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <iok18111jrh@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1081 |
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:00:17 -0400, Alan Browne wrote (in article <VtGdndfkQrXM5DDQnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>): > On 2011-04-18 12:35 , J.J. O'Shea wrote: > >> Well, _that_ is spelled 'Active Directory'. AD allows you to pull _all kinds > > When I see so many underlines for emphasis I don't even read the post. > > How _very_ _good_ *for* _you_. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2011-04-18 10:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-0077FF.10252318042011@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1022 |
In article <jollyroger-7EFB57.07582218042011@news.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > In article > <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> > , > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > > > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > > > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number of > > >> users > > >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > > > > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > > > this kind of thing: > > > > > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > > > > > put all sorts of old crap here > > > <![endif]--> > > > > Yeah, especially when the stuff you put there crashes IE. That is the best > > :) > > > > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their browsers. > > > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > > > > They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in > > companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. > > Or a combination of the two. : ) I can't tell you how many times I've > heard "Well IT insists that I use IE" in the past decade. ; ) "But IE doesn't run on Linux/NetBSD/Solaris. How about Firefox?" -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2011-04-20 09:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <proto-8B1A1C.09315520042011@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #1043 |
In article <vilain-0077FF.10252318042011@news.individual.net>, Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote: > In article <jollyroger-7EFB57.07582218042011@news.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > In article > > <1242664690324751742.551797g.kreme-gmail.com@news.eternal-september.org> > > , > > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > In article <ioek4621f92@news1.newsguy.com>, > > > > J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> wrote: > > > > > > > >> he doesn't get it. He simply doesn't see the truly incredible number > > > >> of > > > >> users > > > >> still using the ancient software he despises. > > > > > > > > I despise that effing IE6 too, but I admire MS for allowing me to do > > > > this kind of thing: > > > > > > > > <!--[if lt IE 9]> > > > > > > > > put all sorts of old crap here > > > > <![endif]--> > > > > > > Yeah, especially when the stuff you put there crashes IE. That is the > > > best > > > :) > > > > > > > No one who uses Safari or FF or Chrome refuses to update their > > > > browsers. > > > > Why are MS users so willfully stupid? > > > > > > They are generally people who either have no clue at all, or they work in > > > companies with IT departments that are willfully ignorant and clueless. > > > > Or a combination of the two. : ) I can't tell you how many times I've > > heard "Well IT insists that I use IE" in the past decade. ; ) > > "But IE doesn't run on Linux/NetBSD/Solaris. How about Firefox?" Firefox doesn't support ActiveX, which is very useful for malware writers. -- The Chinese pretend their goods are good and we pretend our money is good, or is it the reverse?
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| From | glawrie <gavin.lawrie@2gc.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2011-04-15 21:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4da8ae22$0$30210$6fd9158d@unlimited.newshosting.com> |
| In reply to | #757 |
On 2011-04-14 19:38:35 +0100, J.J. O'Shea said: >> office 2004 is 7 years old!! > > Still used, 'cause it's more compatible than Office 2008. (Or 2011, for > that matter.) I, personally, have PowerPoint files, both PPT and PPTX, > which PowerPoint 2004 will open, as I've installed the XML reader > thingie from Microsoft's site... but which PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 say > are corrupt. These > files were generated with PowerPoint 2008. If I open them in PowerPoint > 2004 and resave them, _then_ PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 will read them. > Note that PowerPoint 2011 will open those files, too... and if resaved, > PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 _still_ say they're corrupt. Hell, _Keynote_ > will read those files, but PowerPoint on WIndows won't! I _have_ to > have PowerPoint 2004 just to be able to move things to Windows! I've > screamed at Microsoft about this, starting shortly after I first > encountered it, roughly a month after getting Office 2008, in 2008... > and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Just to add to this - we've been keeping 2004 on our machines even though we use Keynote mostly these days for the same reason. When the PPTX format came out (2008) we did comparative testing of round-trip edits using various platforms / softwares, and found that the worst possible route was PPT to PPTX to PPT via MSO2008 - not only was it insanely slow to migrate the ppt to pptx, but the migration broke templates, which were even more broken on the return trip. The file that arrived at PPT second time was OK to look at but largely uneditable. Perhaps only MS could introduce a new file format and not provide robust legacy file format support... We have a reasonably large library of PPT files too - and it was clear that to migrate to PPTX would require us to rebuild all these files as native PPTX files (due to loss of template functionality on import to PPTX). At that time Keynote did a much better job of migrating PPT files, was much cheaper and ran more quickly. So we moved to Keynote, and have been happy enough, and have kept 2004 on machines to provide PPT support as needed - using the MS migrator to downgrade PPTX if needed (or simply working on these in Keynote and re-exporting as PPT). We were aware of the 2004 / Lion problem from playing with a Preview edition, and have looked at our options. It appears we'll either have to go 100% to Keynote and trust the PPT export feature, or shell out for MSO2011 - non-trivial and not cheap. 2011 does appear to be substantially improved over 2008, and (presumably thanks to not having to load rosetta) much quicker to load and use. But three years too late for us I think. Anyhow... YMMV etc.
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| From | J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@but.see.sig> |
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| Date | 2011-04-17 07:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ioek6t31f92@news1.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #841 |
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:44:19 -0400, glawrie wrote (in article <4da8ae22$0$30210$6fd9158d@unlimited.newshosting.com>): > On 2011-04-14 19:38:35 +0100, J.J. O'Shea said: > >>> office 2004 is 7 years old!! >> >> Still used, 'cause it's more compatible than Office 2008. (Or 2011, for >> that matter.) I, personally, have PowerPoint files, both PPT and PPTX, >> which PowerPoint 2004 will open, as I've installed the XML reader >> thingie from Microsoft's site... but which PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 say >> are corrupt. These >> files were generated with PowerPoint 2008. If I open them in PowerPoint >> 2004 and resave them, _then_ PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 will read them. >> Note that PowerPoint 2011 will open those files, too... and if resaved, >> PowerPoint 2007 and 2010 _still_ say they're corrupt. Hell, _Keynote_ >> will read those files, but PowerPoint on WIndows won't! I _have_ to >> have PowerPoint 2004 just to be able to move things to Windows! I've >> screamed at Microsoft about this, starting shortly after I first >> encountered it, roughly a month after getting Office 2008, in 2008... >> and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS CHANGED. > > Just to add to this - we've been keeping 2004 on our machines even > though we use Keynote mostly these days for the same reason. When the > PPTX format came out (2008) we did comparative testing of round-trip > edits using various platforms / softwares, and found that the worst > possible route was PPT to PPTX to PPT via MSO2008 - not only was it > insanely slow to migrate the ppt to pptx, but the migration broke > templates, which were even more broken on the return trip. The file > that arrived at PPT second time was OK to look at but largely > uneditable. Perhaps only MS could introduce a new file format and not > provide robust legacy file format support... > > We have a reasonably large library of PPT files too - and it was clear > that to migrate to PPTX would require us to rebuild all these files as > native PPTX files (due to loss of template functionality on import to > PPTX). At that time Keynote did a much better job of migrating PPT > files, was much cheaper and ran more quickly. So we moved to Keynote, > and have been happy enough, and have kept 2004 on machines to provide > PPT support as needed - using the MS migrator to downgrade PPTX if > needed (or simply working on these in Keynote and re-exporting as PPT). > > We were aware of the 2004 / Lion problem from playing with a Preview > edition, and have looked at our options. It appears we'll either have > to go 100% to Keynote and trust the PPT export feature, or shell out > for MSO2011 - non-trivial and not cheap. 2011 does appear to be > substantially improved over 2008, and (presumably thanks to not having > to load rosetta) much quicker to load and use. But three years too > late for us I think. > > Anyhow... YMMV etc. > Oh, yeah. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
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