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How often do you rebuild your macOS Big Sur v11's Spotlight indexes?

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#137081

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2021-07-02 13:14 -0400
Message-ID	<020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#137079

In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
> 
> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
> computer is trivial.

yep

> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
> an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
> Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
> when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
> her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
> music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
client data in the accounting software.

> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
> possibility.

it guarantees it.

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#137085

From	Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date	2021-07-03 01:43 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnsdvg5e.vrc.g.kreme@m1mini.local>
In reply to	#137081

In message <020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>> In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
>> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> > In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>> 
>> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
>> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
>> computer is trivial.

> yep

>> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
>> an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
>> Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
>> when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
>> her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
>> music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).

> she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
> but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
> engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
> client data in the accounting software.

I was thinking of the ;search; comparable to spotlight.

>> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
>> possibility.

> it guarantees it.

Yeah, I binned the idiot.

-- 
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them
	are stupider than that.

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#137091

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 09:40 +0200
Message-ID	<ikaijrFalpoU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137085

Yes you binned and plunked me and yet you can't resist.

el

On 2021-07-03 03:43 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <020720211314417195%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <slrnsdugq1.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> 
>>> In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse
>>> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>>> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
>>>
>>> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
>>> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
>>> computer is trivial.
> 
>> yep
> 
>>> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either. She is
>>> an accountant. She runs two programs on her computer, and only two.
>>> Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree became
>>> when it was Borged). She has no need of search because the only data on
>>> her computer is the accounting files. (Literally the only data, no
>>> music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
> 
>> she might not need to search for photos or whatever on her computer,
>> but certainly she must have searched for stuff online using a search
>> engine in chrome and likely searched for specific transactions or
>> client data in the accounting software.
> 
> I was thinking of the ;search; comparable to spotlight.
> 
>>> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
>>> possibility.
> 
>> it guarantees it.
> 
> Yeah, I binned the idiot.
>

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#137090

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 09:39 +0200
Message-ID	<ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137079

And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
don't concern me much.

The only thing I search in is my mail archive (in a MySQL Data base)
going back 1o 1999 (I lost the 20 years before that).

For Spotlight I turned off everything by Applications in the
Preferences because the SOftware Update depends on it, but I haven't
had the need for Spotlight search of files ever.

I use find on the command line with its options which existed before
MacOS and will probably survive it.

el

On 2021-07-02 18:48 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <ik8lofFu4fnU1@mid.individual.net> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> In most cultures the word idiot is frowned upon in conversation.
> 
> And yet, it is also an accurate description of someone who claims to
> have "never used search ever" or the other option, your use of a
> computer is trivial.
> 
> I know someone who has never used search on her computer either.  She
> is an accountant.  She runs two programs on her computer, and only
> two.  Google Chrome and her accounting software (whatever Peachtree
> became when it was Borged).  She has no need of search because the
> only data on her computer is the accounting files.  (Literally the
> only data, no music, photos, videos, documents, nothing).
> 
> Your insistence on top-posting lends credence to the 'idiot'
> possibility.
>

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#137088

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 09:28 +0200
Message-ID	<ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137073

And don't insult.

el

On 2021-07-02 13:37 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ik7shnFpb6nU2@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> 
>> Where does the need to insult people come from?
> 
> he didn't insult anyone. what he said is an accurate description,
> assuming the post is not trollbait.
> 
>> Insecurity?
> 
> no.
> 
> and don't top post.
> 
>> el
>>
>> On 2021-07-02 06:34 , Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-01 8:31 p.m., Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
>>>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>>>
>>>> Never.   I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows.  In over 30
>>>> years of using computers - at home and at work -  I have never needed to
>>>> search for anything.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then you're an idiot or your use of computers is trivial.

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#137099

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2021-07-03 12:59 -0400
Message-ID	<030720211259270696%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#137088

In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

> And don't insult.

if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
so yourself.

In article <ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
> plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
> what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
> don't concern me much.
>

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#137103

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 21:30 +0200
Message-ID	<ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137099

Agreed. This is why I don't do it.

el

On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> 
>> And don't insult.
> 
> if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
> so yourself.
> 
> In article <ikaii8FalpoU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> And yet you still are unable to follow through on your announce having
>> plunked me and yet you can't resist being trolled. Other than that,
>> what overweight script kiddies living in their parents' basements do
>> don't concern me much.
>>

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#137075

From	Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
Date	2021-07-02 08:46 -0400
Message-ID	<0001HW.268F42370BECC43F7000098EA38F@news.supernews.com>
In reply to	#137066

On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
(in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
> > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
> 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
> to search for anything.

Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and 
have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network 
connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all 
that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find 
files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend 
moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

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#137078

From	Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date	2021-07-02 16:41 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnsduge3.qb9.g.kreme@m1mini.local>
In reply to	#137075

In message <0001HW.268F42370BECC43F7000098EA38F@news.supernews.com> Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
> (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):

>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>> > It seems I have to do it monthly
>> > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>> > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>> > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>
>> Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
>> 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
>> to search for anything.

> Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and 
> have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network 
> connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all 
> that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find 
> files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend 
> moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

Agreed. Spotlight is a great tool.

 $ DF
Drobo
  CPCTY: 14.3619 TB
  AVAIL: 2.75545 TB
Local
  CPCTY: 39.9932 TB
  AVAIL: 20.1888 TB

In addition to that, I have another 30TB of network storage mounted, and
that is also spotlight indexed. I'd never find anything without it, or
at least it would take me a lot longer (hours).

-- 
I WILL NOT FAKE RABIES Bart chalkboard Ep. 8F07

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#137092

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 09:50 +0200
Message-ID	<ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137075

I find files like so:

    find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
      -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
      -exec bash -c '
        tput bold;
        echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
        tput sgr0;
        echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
             then
                for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
                do
                 if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
                 then
                   /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
                      "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
                      2>/dev/null \
                   | grep -v "[\{\}]";
                 fi;
                done;
             fi)' \; \
      | sort -f

or

find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
      -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
      -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
      -name '*.pl' \
      -type f \
      -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
    |awk '{print $2}' \
    |sed 's/;//g' \
    |sort -u \
    |grep -v \
      -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
      -e ^and \
      -e ^Apache \
      -e ^base  \
      -e ^bytes  \
      -e ^constant  \
      -e ^experimental \
      -e ^feature  \
      -e ^fields \
      -e ^hasn  \
      -e ^lib  \
      -e ^open  \
      -e ^routines. \
      -e ^strict \
      -e ^subs \
      -e ^sysread  \
      -e ^use \
      -e ^vars  \
      -e ^version \
      -e ^warnings \
      -e ^when

for example.

I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
for large scale file shifting.

I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
either.

el

On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
> On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
> (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
> 
>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>
>> Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
>> 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
>> to search for anything.
> 
> Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine, and
> have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
> connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in all
> that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
> files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend
> moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
>

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#137095

From	Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
Date	2021-07-03 08:51 -0400
Message-ID	<0001HW.269094CC0C3C1F9D7000099F038F@news.supernews.com>
In reply to	#137092

On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
(in article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>):

>
> I find files like so:
>
> find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
> -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
> -exec bash -c '
> tput bold;
> echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
> tput sgr0;
> echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
> then
> for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
> do
> if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
> then
> /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
> "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
> 2>/dev/null \
> > grep -v "[\{\}]";
> fi;
> done;
> fi)' \; \
> > sort -f
>
> or
>
> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
> -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
> -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
> -name '*.pl' \
> -type f \
> -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
> > awk '{print $2}' \
> > sed 's/;//g' \
> > sort -u \
> > grep -v \
> -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
> -e ^and \
> -e ^Apache \
> -e ^base \
> -e ^bytes \
> -e ^constant \
> -e ^experimental \
> -e ^feature \
> -e ^fields \
> -e ^hasn \
> -e ^lib \
> -e ^open \
> -e ^routines. \
> -e ^strict \
> -e ^subs \
> -e ^sysread \
> -e ^use \
> -e ^vars \
> -e ^version \
> -e ^warnings \
> -e ^when
>
> for example.
>
> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> for large scale file shifting.
>
> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
> either.
>
> el

going to a lot of trouble writing scripts vs just using the built in search 
feature... decisions, decisions.

giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.

Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.
>
>
> On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
> > (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
> >
> > > On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
> > > > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > > > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > > > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > > > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> > >
> > > Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
> > > 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
> > > to search for anything.
> >
> > Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine,
> > and
> > have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
> > connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in
> > all
> > that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
> > files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend
> > moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?

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#137104

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 21:31 +0200
Message-ID	<ikbs80Fig77U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137095

I am so impressed by the wannabe plonkers.

el

On 2021-07-03 14:51 , Wolffan wrote:
> On 2021 Jul 03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote
> (in article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>):
> 
>>
>> I find files like so:
>>
>> find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
>> -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
>> -exec bash -c '
>> tput bold;
>> echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
>> tput sgr0;
>> echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
>> then
>> for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
>> do
>> if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
>> then
>> /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
>> "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
>> 2>/dev/null \
>>> grep -v "[\{\}]";
>> fi;
>> done;
>> fi)' \; \
>>> sort -f
>>
>> or
>>
>> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
>> -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
>> -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
>> -name '*.pl' \
>> -type f \
>> -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
>>> awk '{print $2}' \
>>> sed 's/;//g' \
>>> sort -u \
>>> grep -v \
>> -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
>> -e ^and \
>> -e ^Apache \
>> -e ^base \
>> -e ^bytes \
>> -e ^constant \
>> -e ^experimental \
>> -e ^feature \
>> -e ^fields \
>> -e ^hasn \
>> -e ^lib \
>> -e ^open \
>> -e ^routines. \
>> -e ^strict \
>> -e ^subs \
>> -e ^sysread \
>> -e ^use \
>> -e ^vars \
>> -e ^version \
>> -e ^warnings \
>> -e ^when
>>
>> for example.
>>
>> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
>> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
>> for large scale file shifting.
>>
>> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
>> either.
>>
>> el
> 
> going to a lot of trouble writing scripts vs just using the built in search
> feature... decisions, decisions.
> 
> giving a damn about a troll’s opinions... hmm, nope.
> 
> Say bye, Ebie. You’re about to be plonked.
>>
>>
>> On 2021-07-02 14:46 , Wolffan wrote:
>>> On 2021 Jul 01, Bob Campbell wrote
>>> (in article<G9OdnRZ_ovU-FUP9nZ2dnUU7-fnNnZ2d@supernews.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 7/1/21 9:08 PM, Ant wrote:
>>>>> It seems I have to do it monthly
>>>>> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
>>>>> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
>>>>> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>>>>
>>>> Never. I have never used search ever, on Mac or on Windows. In over
>>>> 30 years of using computers - at home and at work - I have never needed
>>>> to search for anything.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I have a 2 TB HDD and a 1 TB SSD internally on this machine,
>>> and
>>> have access to over 40 TB of storage, by USB, in a NAS, and in network
>>> connections to other computers, Mac, Windows, and Linux. Finding files in
>>> all
>>> that would be non-trivial without using search. So... how _do_ you find
>>> files? How much storage is on your machine(s)? How much time do you spend
>>> moving around files and folders? What is your objection to using search?
> 
>

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#137100

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2021-07-03 12:59 -0400
Message-ID	<030720211259280806%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#137092

In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

> I find files like so:
> 
>     find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
>       -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
>       -exec bash -c '
>         tput bold;
>         echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
>         tput sgr0;
>         echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
>              then
>                 for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
>                 do
>                  if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
>                  then
>                    /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
>                       "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
>                       2>/dev/null \
>                    | grep -v "[\{\}]";
>                  fi;
>                 done;
>              fi)' \; \
>       | sort -f
> 
> or
> 
> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
>       -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
>       -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
>       -name '*.pl' \
>       -type f \
>       -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
>     |awk '{print $2}' \
>     |sed 's/;//g' \
>     |sort -u \
>     |grep -v \
>       -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
>       -e ^and \
>       -e ^Apache \
>       -e ^base  \
>       -e ^bytes  \
>       -e ^constant  \
>       -e ^experimental \
>       -e ^feature  \
>       -e ^fields \
>       -e ^hasn  \
>       -e ^lib  \
>       -e ^open  \
>       -e ^routines. \
>       -e ^strict \
>       -e ^subs \
>       -e ^sysread  \
>       -e ^use \
>       -e ^vars  \
>       -e ^version \
>       -e ^warnings \
>       -e ^when
> 
> for example.

looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment. 

even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.

you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script kiddie
would laugh at.

> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> for large scale file shifting.

what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
*extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
fundamentally broken.

the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way around.

> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
> either.

you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting your
ability to effectively search.

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#137105

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-03 21:41 +0200
Message-ID	<ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137100

Aha.

Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
both do the job.  The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.

And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
itself, of course.

It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
no need to maintain.

But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
troll them?

el

On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> 
>> I find files like so:
>>
>>      find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
>>        -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
>>        -exec bash -c '
>>          tput bold;
>>          echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
>>          tput sgr0;
>>          echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
>>               then
>>                  for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
>>                  do
>>                   if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
>>                   then
>>                     /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
>>                        "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
>>                        2>/dev/null \
>>                     | grep -v "[\{\}]";
>>                   fi;
>>                  done;
>>               fi)' \; \
>>        | sort -f
>>
>> or
>>
>> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
>>        -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
>>        -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
>>        -name '*.pl' \
>>        -type f \
>>        -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
>>      |awk '{print $2}' \
>>      |sed 's/;//g' \
>>      |sort -u \
>>      |grep -v \
>>        -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
>>        -e ^and \
>>        -e ^Apache \
>>        -e ^base  \
>>        -e ^bytes  \
>>        -e ^constant  \
>>        -e ^experimental \
>>        -e ^feature  \
>>        -e ^fields \
>>        -e ^hasn  \
>>        -e ^lib  \
>>        -e ^open  \
>>        -e ^routines. \
>>        -e ^strict \
>>        -e ^subs \
>>        -e ^sysread  \
>>        -e ^use \
>>        -e ^vars  \
>>        -e ^version \
>>        -e ^warnings \
>>        -e ^when
>>
>> for example.
> 
> looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
> 
> even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
> 
> you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
> when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
> kiddie would laugh at.
> 
>> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
>> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
>> for large scale file shifting.
> 
> what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
> *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
> fundamentally broken.
> 
> the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
> around.
> 
>> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
>> either.
> 
> you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
> your ability to effectively search.
>

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#137108

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2021-07-03 17:20 -0400
Message-ID	<030720211720063887%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#137105

In article <ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:

> Aha.
> 
> Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
> both do the job.  The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
> TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
> of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.

it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do. 

the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.

> And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
> scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
> itself, of course.
> 
> It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
> no need to maintain.

it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
> >> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> >> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> >> for large scale file shifting.


> 
> But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
> troll them?

what were you saying about not insulting? 

In article <ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
<nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> > In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> > <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> >> And don't insult.
> > 
> > if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
> > so yourself.
> > 
> Agreed. This is why I don't do it.

top posting fixed.

not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
you are a liar.



> 
> el
> 
> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
> > In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> > <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> > 
> >> I find files like so:
> >>
> >>      find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
> >>        -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
> >>        -exec bash -c '
> >>          tput bold;
> >>          echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
> >>          tput sgr0;
> >>          echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
> >>               then
> >>                  for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
> >>                  do
> >>                   if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
> >>                   then
> >>                     /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
> >>                        "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
> >>                        2>/dev/null \
> >>                     | grep -v "[\{\}]";
> >>                   fi;
> >>                  done;
> >>               fi)' \; \
> >>        | sort -f
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
> >>        -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
> >>        -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
> >>        -name '*.pl' \
> >>        -type f \
> >>        -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
> >>      |awk '{print $2}' \
> >>      |sed 's/;//g' \
> >>      |sort -u \
> >>      |grep -v \
> >>        -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
> >>        -e ^and \
> >>        -e ^Apache \
> >>        -e ^base  \
> >>        -e ^bytes  \
> >>        -e ^constant  \
> >>        -e ^experimental \
> >>        -e ^feature  \
> >>        -e ^fields \
> >>        -e ^hasn  \
> >>        -e ^lib  \
> >>        -e ^open  \
> >>        -e ^routines. \
> >>        -e ^strict \
> >>        -e ^subs \
> >>        -e ^sysread  \
> >>        -e ^use \
> >>        -e ^vars  \
> >>        -e ^version \
> >>        -e ^warnings \
> >>        -e ^when
> >>
> >> for example.
> > 
> > looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
> > 
> > even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
> > 
> > you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
> > when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
> > kiddie would laugh at.
> > 
> >> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
> >> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
> >> for large scale file shifting.
> > 
> > what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
> > *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
> > fundamentally broken.
> > 
> > the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
> > around.
> > 
> >> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
> >> either.
> > 
> > you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
> > your ability to effectively search.
> >

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#137113

From	Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Date	2021-07-05 00:13 +0200
Message-ID	<ikeq4uF5advU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#137108

Aha.

Another wannabe.

el


On 2021-07-03 23:20 , nospam wrote:
> In article <ikbsqmFil63U1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> 
>> Aha.
>>
>> Besides that I did not say either was a good idea, or easy to maintain,
>> both do the job.  The former isn't even my own idea, comes from the
>> TextMate Support Group, but you of course can easily find the scopenames
>> of all installed TextMate2 bundles with Spotlight.
> 
> it doesn't do the job, nor can it. it's fundamentally broken, along
> with being slow and inefficient at what little it does do.
> 
> the real problem is you have *no* clue as to why that is.
> 
>> And you can easily find in Spotlight the CPAM modules used in all Perl
>> scripts other then the ones in Library Downloads and the CPAN modules
>> itself, of course.
>>
>> It takes no effort whatsoever to maintain, in particular since there is
>> no need to maintain.
> 
> it takes quite a bit of effort, by your own admission:
>>>> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
>>>> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
>>>> for large scale file shifting.
> 
> 
>>
>> But then why am I explaining myself to children when I could rather
>> troll them?
> 
> what were you saying about not insulting?
> 
> In article <ikbs6oFig77U3@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
>>> In article <ikaht1FahfgU4@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>>> And don't insult.
>>>
>>> if you're going to ask others to not insult, it's a good idea to not do
>>> so yourself.
>>>
>> Agreed. This is why I don't do it.
> 
> top posting fixed.
> 
> not only do you continue to insult, but your trolling skills suck and
> you are a liar.
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> el
>>
>> On 2021-07-03 18:59 , nospam wrote:
>>> In article <ikaj5sFapbsU1@mid.individual.net>, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>> <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find files like so:
>>>>
>>>>       find ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/Managed/Bundles \
>>>>         -depth 1 -name '*.tmbundle' \
>>>>         -exec bash -c '
>>>>           tput bold;
>>>>           echo -n "$(defaults read "{}/info.plist" name): ";
>>>>           tput sgr0;
>>>>           echo $(if cd "{}/Syntaxes" 2>/dev/null;
>>>>                then
>>>>                   for syntax in *.plist *.tmLanguage;
>>>>                   do
>>>>                    if [ -f "${syntax}" ];
>>>>                    then
>>>>                      /usr/libexec/PlistBuddy -c \
>>>>                         "Print :scopeName" "${syntax}" \
>>>>                         2>/dev/null \
>>>>                      | grep -v "[\{\}]";
>>>>                    fi;
>>>>                   done;
>>>>                fi)' \; \
>>>>         | sort -f
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> find $HOME -not \( -path $HOME/Library -prune \) \
>>>>         -not \( -path $HOME/Downloads -prune \) \
>>>>         -not \( -path $HOME/.cpan -prune \) \
>>>>         -name '*.pl' \
>>>>         -type f \
>>>>         -exec grep ^use {} ';' \
>>>>       |awk '{print $2}' \
>>>>       |sed 's/;//g' \
>>>>       |sort -u \
>>>>       |grep -v \
>>>>         -e '#' -e '5.' -e 'v5.10' \
>>>>         -e ^and \
>>>>         -e ^Apache \
>>>>         -e ^base  \
>>>>         -e ^bytes  \
>>>>         -e ^constant  \
>>>>         -e ^experimental \
>>>>         -e ^feature  \
>>>>         -e ^fields \
>>>>         -e ^hasn  \
>>>>         -e ^lib  \
>>>>         -e ^open  \
>>>>         -e ^routines. \
>>>>         -e ^strict \
>>>>         -e ^subs \
>>>>         -e ^sysread  \
>>>>         -e ^use \
>>>>         -e ^vars  \
>>>>         -e ^version \
>>>>         -e ^warnings \
>>>>         -e ^when
>>>>
>>>> for example.
>>>
>>> looks like 'idiot' was actually a compliment.
>>>
>>> even an idiot is not stupid enough to think the above is a good idea.
>>>
>>> you're also a hypocrite for calling others 'overweight script kiddies'
>>> when you have your own fucked up script, one which a true script
>>> kiddie would laugh at.
>>>
>>>> I find that having a very hierarchical $HOME directory and forcing
>>>> oneself to be consistent in where one puts what, obliviates the need
>>>> for large scale file shifting.
>>>
>>> what you're doing is not only very slow, highly inefficient and
>>> *extremely* limited, but it's also *lot* of effort to maintain and
>>> fundamentally broken.
>>>
>>> the computer is there to do the work for you, not the other way
>>> around.
>>>
>>>> I have no objections to Spotlight per se, but I haven't needed it
>>>> either.
>>>
>>> you obviously do have objections to it along with greatly limiting
>>> your ability to effectively search.
>>>

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#137069

From	Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date	2021-07-02 06:44 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnsdtddl.efu.g.kreme@m1mini.local>
In reply to	#137064

In message <XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> It seems I have to do it monthly 
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all 
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in 
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(

I think in 15 years of macOS/OS X I've rebuilt spotlight indexes maybe
4 or 5 times total. I am pretty sure I have not done it under Big Sur or
Monterey.

-- 
I feel like we fell out of the Lucky Tree and hit every branch
   on the way down, then landed in a pool full of cash and
   Sour Patch kids.

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#137074

From	Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
Date	2021-07-02 08:39 -0400
Message-ID	<0001HW.268F409B0BEC638E7000098EA38F@news.supernews.com>
In reply to	#137064

On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
(in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):

> It seems I have to do it monthly
> (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
>
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

I’ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt 
the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install 
usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is 
usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems 
with a search?

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#137084

From	ant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date	2021-07-02 17:29 -0500
Message-ID	<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to	#137074

In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
> On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):

> > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> >
> > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

> I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt 
> the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install 
> usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is 
> usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.

> Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems 
> with a search?

Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents. 
Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(
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#137096

From	Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
Date	2021-07-03 09:01 -0400
Message-ID	<0001HW.269097290C3CAD7E7000099F038F@news.supernews.com>
In reply to	#137084

On 2021 Jul 02, Ant wrote
(in article<bZGdnUE8CMjNDkL9nZ2dnUU7-I9j4p2d@earthlink.com>):

> In comp.sys.mac.apps Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>  wrote:
> > On 2021 Jul 01, Ant wrote
> > (in article<XeGdnWshZZWW-kP9nZ2dnUU7-QNQAAAA@earthlink.com>):
>
> > > It seems I have to do it monthly
> > > (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201716) since it is not finding all
> > > matched Office documents in Documents folder. This never happened in
> > > older versions like Mojave v10.14. :(
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>
> > I???ve never manually rebuilt the Spotlight index in Big Sur. I last rebuilt
> > the Spotlight index manually five or six years ago. Doing an update install
> > usually rebuilds the Spotlight index automatically on reboot. There is
> > usually no reason to rebuild the index after that.
>
> > Why do you think that you need to rebuild the index? Are you having problems
> > with a search?
>
> Yes, it doesn't see all the thousands of Office files in ~/Documents.
> Rebuilding Spotlight fixes it temporarily. :(

Ah...

1 stick files in subdirectories, not all in one directory.

2 check your system; Spotlight isn’t supposed to lose files unless 
there’s a directory problem. Run Disk Utility.

3 create a _full_ backup, using Time Machine or a utility like Carbon Copy 
Cloner, or, preferably, _two_ backups, one with Time Machine and one with CCC 
or whatever. Compare the backups. If there are differences, you have 
significant directory damage. Nuke the volume, do a full restore, using both 
backups. You almost certainly have low-level problems on that volume, doing a 
full backup (two backups, and check to see if there are differences) a 
reformat and restore should fix it. Unless there’s a hardware problem, and 
you need a new drive.

Having to rebuild the Spotlight index all the time is not normal. It’s a 
sign that your volume has a problem. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

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