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| Started by | Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> |
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| First post | 2017-02-19 09:50 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-02-20 10:38 +1100 |
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One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-19 09:50 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 14:59 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 15:39 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 10:38 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-19 15:51 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 10:55 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2017-02-20 19:06 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-20 16:02 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-20 16:03 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-02-20 13:46 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-02-19 16:11 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-02-19 08:44 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-19 12:16 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2017-02-19 17:01 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-19 18:25 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-19 11:59 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 19:58 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 15:00 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 15:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 15:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-19 20:33 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? MeV <michael.vilain@gmail.com> - 2017-02-19 12:35 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-19 20:50 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-20 02:07 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-19 21:18 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 03:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-19 21:31 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-20 03:27 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-02-20 15:32 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-02-20 17:35 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-19 16:39 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-25 15:13 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-25 18:33 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-02-25 18:04 -0800
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-27 12:16 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-26 06:48 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-02-27 12:25 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 12:28 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-27 18:26 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-27 16:40 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-02-27 11:50 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-01 11:28 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-01 10:53 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:24 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-01 15:50 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-03 09:30 -0700
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-01 11:35 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-01 18:53 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-03 14:23 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 19:41 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 20:55 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:04 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 21:49 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-03 23:25 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-04 06:24 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-04 16:02 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-04 22:26 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-06 15:03 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-06 20:52 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-07 12:00 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-07 17:18 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-10 12:51 -0500
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-11 10:18 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 22:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 01:22 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:57 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 22:06 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-13 17:44 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-14 19:42 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-14 04:29 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? guess.who@guesswho.com - 2017-03-14 04:55 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:12 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:10 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-15 13:31 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-16 13:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 14:15 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-15 13:08 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-15 13:36 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-16 14:15 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 19:50 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-18 13:59 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-17 09:02 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-18 13:56 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-22 17:17 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-23 10:43 +1300
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-22 23:47 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:53 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:52 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-23 04:34 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-23 13:57 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-23 16:03 -0400
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-11 09:12 +1100
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 00:44 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-05 01:07 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-04 08:08 +0000
Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software? dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-02-20 10:38 +1100
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 13:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4EEF3ED013DDB3FB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #102378 |
On Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:08:03 -0400, Fred Moore wrote (in article <oabs88$o2p$1@dont-email.me>): > I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard and Magic Mouse, but they have been there > forever. Nothing new, so I don't know why they would be causing a problem now. How about a phone or another computer? I don't believe my problem was an actual device because after I deleted everything I was able to re-install it without the problem recurring. It was probably the Little People playing tricks on me. -- Nelson
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 14:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oaekif$51j$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102289 |
[David's excellent troubleshooting information omitted for brevity]
First, I tried the script Lewis posted, just because it was simpler than
yours, David. This was the verbatim confusing output I got. I then tried
your script with similar results (not posted for brevity):
me% while :
while: Expression Syntax.
do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
pmset -g | awk '/ sleep/{print substr($0, index($0,$2))}'
sleep 10
done
[mini:~] me% do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
do: Command not found.
[mini:~] me% pmset -g | awk '/ sleep/{print substr($0, index($0,$2))}'
180
[mini:~] me% sleep 10
[mini:~] me% done
done: Command not found.
[mini:~] me% while : do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '` pmset -g | awk
'/ sleep/{print substr($0, index($0,$2))}'
while: Expression Syntax.
sleep 10
done[mini:~] me% sleep 10
[mini:~] me% done
Does this mean anything?
Then I ran pmset -g assertionslog for about 20 minutes while every thing
was working (sleep available according to pmset -g). Nothing weird I
could see. The (screen) sleep countdown kept decreasing just as it
should until I intervened after ~20 min.
(edited for brevity)
-hidd UserIsActive named: "com.apple.iohideventsystem.queue.tickle" and
-powerd ExternalMedia named:
"com.apple.powermanagement.externalmediamounted"
appeared in every iteration.
-apsd ApplePushServiceTask named:
"com.apple.apsd-lastpowerassertionlinger" ,
-AddressBookSour): [0x00000001000003e3] 00:00:00
PreventUserIdleSystemSleep named: "Address Book Source Sync" , and
-UserEventAgent BackgroundTask named: "com.apple.AddressBook.ScheduledSync"
appeared in quite a few with a confusing notation. After the
AddressBookSour entry, the next line would be "Timeout will fire in 1800
[or almost 1800] secs Action=TimeoutActionTurnOff", but just a couple
lines below after the hidd entry, I'd see "Timeout will fire in [the
correctly decreasing number] secs Action=TimeoutActionTurnOff"
Any idea what this means?
I haven't had a chance to rerun the assertionslog after it won't sleep
because the machine is now sleeping on schedule. Go figure. No guesses
how long that will last. Thanks again for your help.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 19:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ej08jbFjo58U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102426 |
On 2017-03-16, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote:
> [David's excellent troubleshooting information omitted for brevity]
>
> First, I tried the script Lewis posted, just because it was simpler than
> yours, David. This was the verbatim confusing output I got. I then tried
> your script with similar results (not posted for brevity):
>
> me% while :
> while: Expression Syntax.
Is this the script you tried?:
while :
do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
pmset -g assertions | awk '/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1, index($0, $7) - 2)}'
sleep 10
done
Here it is one a single line:
while :; do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`; pmset -g assertions | awk
'/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1, index($0, $7) - 2)}'; sleep 10; done
And here's a sample of the expected output:
# while :
# do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
# pmset -g assertions | awk '/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1,
# index($0, $7) - 2)}'
# sleep 10
# done
12:48:31 Timeout will fire in 584 secs
12:48:41 Timeout will fire in 574 secs
12:48:51 Timeout will fire in 564 secs
Either you copied and pasted it incorrectly or you are using a shell
that is not the standard /bin/bash shell. What shell are you using?
> Then I ran pmset -g assertionslog for about 20 minutes while every thing
> was working
That's not useful; you need to know what it says when the problem occurs.
> Any idea what this means?
None of it is relevant.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-18 13:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oajsco$b6o$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102431 |
On 3/16/17 3:50 p, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-03-16, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote:
>> [David's excellent troubleshooting information omitted for brevity]
>>
>> First, I tried the script Lewis posted, just because it was simpler than
>> yours, David. This was the verbatim confusing output I got. I then tried
>> your script with similar results (not posted for brevity):
>>
>> me% while :
>> while: Expression Syntax.
>
> Is this the script you tried?:
>
> while :
> do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
> pmset -g assertions | awk '/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1, index($0, $7) - 2)}'
> sleep 10
> done
>
> Here it is one a single line:
>
> while :; do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`; pmset -g assertions | awk
> '/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1, index($0, $7) - 2)}'; sleep 10; done
>
> And here's a sample of the expected output:
>
> # while :
> # do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
> # pmset -g assertions | awk '/hidd/{getline; print substr($0, 1,
> # index($0, $7) - 2)}'
> # sleep 10
> # done
> 12:48:31 Timeout will fire in 584 secs
> 12:48:41 Timeout will fire in 574 secs
> 12:48:51 Timeout will fire in 564 secs
>
> Either you copied and pasted it incorrectly or you are using a shell
> that is not the standard /bin/bash shell. What shell are you using?
David figured my error out. I was running the script in tcsh instead of
bash, so it didn't work.
>> Then I ran pmset -g assertionslog for about 20 minutes while every thing
>> was working
>
> That's not useful; you need to know what it says when the problem occurs.
Got it. I'll rerun the scripts in bash as soon as I can. Thanks for your
help.
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-17 09:02 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1n30whu.s64n1ulfxq3nN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #102426 |
Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote:
> [David's excellent troubleshooting information omitted for brevity]
>
> First, I tried the script Lewis posted, just because it was simpler than
> yours, David. This was the verbatim confusing output I got. I then tried
> your script with similar results (not posted for brevity):
>
> me% while :
> while: Expression Syntax.
> do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
> pmset -g | awk '/ sleep/{print substr($0, index($0,$2))}'
> sleep 10
> done
> [mini:~] me% do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
> do: Command not found.
Both Lewis and I assumed you were running the current standard macOS/OS
X shell, which for many versions has been bash. You're running csh or
tcsh, which doesn't understand the syntax of the while/do/done commands,
leading to it only executing the pmset -g command once rather than
looping.
tcsh used to be the standard OS X shell, and if your user account was
created long enough ago (about Mac OS X 10.2 to 10.4) it might still be
using that as the default shell. My account was like that until I
changed it to use bash a few years ago, because some of the extra bits
Apple had configured for tcsh stopped working and it was clear they were
no longer actively supporting it.
To run bash instead of tcsh as a one-off, simply type the command:
bash
The script should then work.
If you aren't relying on tcsh for anything in particular, and aren't a
regular user of Terminal or the shell, it would probably be best to
change your default shell to bash. This command does the trick:
chsh -s /bin/bash
It will prompt for your password. After pressing return, you should see
another command prompt. At that point you will still be in tcsh, but the
next Terminal window you open will use bash, so just close the window
and open a new one.
(I don't have time to read the rest of your post right now, will look at
it later.)
--
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-18 13:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oajs7u$b6o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102432 |
On 3/16/17 4:02 p, David Empson wrote:
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote:
>
>> [David's excellent troubleshooting information omitted for brevity]
>>
>> First, I tried the script Lewis posted, just because it was simpler than
>> yours, David. This was the verbatim confusing output I got. I then tried
>> your script with similar results (not posted for brevity):
>>
>> me% while :
>> while: Expression Syntax.
>> do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
>> pmset -g | awk '/ sleep/{print substr($0, index($0,$2))}'
>> sleep 10
>> done
>> [mini:~] me% do echo -n `date '+%H:%M:%S '`
>> do: Command not found.
>
> Both Lewis and I assumed you were running the current standard macOS/OS
> X shell, which for many versions has been bash. You're running csh or
> tcsh, which doesn't understand the syntax of the while/do/done commands,
> leading to it only executing the pmset -g command once rather than
> looping.
Give the man a cigar! Yes, I'm running tcsh, but I have only a very
vague memory of setting that up a very long time ago.
> tcsh used to be the standard OS X shell, and if your user account was
> created long enough ago (about Mac OS X 10.2 to 10.4) it might still be
> using that as the default shell. My account was like that until I
> changed it to use bash a few years ago, because some of the extra bits
> Apple had configured for tcsh stopped working and it was clear they were
> no longer actively supporting it.
Yes, the primary user account was created in 10.2. My notes claim Apple
switched to bash as a default in 10.4.
...
>
> If you aren't relying on tcsh for anything in particular, and aren't a
> regular user of Terminal or the shell, it would probably be best to
> change your default shell to bash. This command does the trick:
>
> chsh -s /bin/bash
If it's good enough for you, it's certainly good enough for me. Done.
Thanks so much for this tutorial! I'll retry running the scripts as soon
as I have a chance.
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-22 17:17 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <oaupgk$q7q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102561 |
An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep!
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 10:43 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <1n3c59n.n1s55uwc7vlbN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #102822 |
Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the > display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least > it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. > > Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these > settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had > laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 > hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see > what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem > has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. Given the previous computer sleep timeout of 3 hours, a possible explanation is that you had _something_ which is occasionally producing fake user activity (thus retriggering the 3 hour timeout), perhaps only after the computer has been awake for an hour or more and with somewhat variable timing. By reducing the sleep timeout below some critical threshold, you've prevented whatever it is from ever reaching the point that it runs. I'm still inclined to suspect an external source from an input device, such as a Bluetooth keyboard or mouse going into a deep sleep mode after its own timeout since last use, which gets misinterpreted by the computer as activity, but only if the computer is awake at the time. > Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much > appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! You're welcome. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-22 23:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <ejggntFrcbqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102828 |
On 2017-03-22, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > >> An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the >> display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least >> it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. >> >> Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these >> settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had >> laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 >> hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see >> what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem >> has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. > > Given the previous computer sleep timeout of 3 hours, a possible > explanation is that you had _something_ which is occasionally producing > fake user activity (thus retriggering the 3 hour timeout), perhaps only > after the computer has been awake for an hour or more and with somewhat > variable timing. By reducing the sleep timeout below some critical > threshold, you've prevented whatever it is from ever reaching the point > that it runs. > > I'm still inclined to suspect an external source from an input device, > such as a Bluetooth keyboard or mouse going into a deep sleep mode after > its own timeout since last use, which gets misinterpreted by the > computer as activity, but only if the computer is awake at the time. Tip: If you don't want Bluetooth devices to be able to wake your computer, you can disable that setting at System Preferences > Bluetooth > Advanced > Allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer. >> Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much >> appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! > > You're welcome. Ditto. : ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 13:53 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <ob11tu$kv6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102850 |
On 3/22/17 7:47 p, Jolly Roger wrote: > On 2017-03-22, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: >> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >> >>> An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the >>> display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least >>> it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. >>> >>> Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these >>> settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had >>> laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 >>> hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see >>> what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem >>> has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. >> >> Given the previous computer sleep timeout of 3 hours, a possible >> explanation is that you had _something_ which is occasionally producing >> fake user activity (thus retriggering the 3 hour timeout), perhaps only >> after the computer has been awake for an hour or more and with somewhat >> variable timing. By reducing the sleep timeout below some critical >> threshold, you've prevented whatever it is from ever reaching the point >> that it runs. >> >> I'm still inclined to suspect an external source from an input device, >> such as a Bluetooth keyboard or mouse going into a deep sleep mode after >> its own timeout since last use, which gets misinterpreted by the >> computer as activity, but only if the computer is awake at the time. > > Tip: If you don't want Bluetooth devices to be able to wake your > computer, you can disable that setting at System Preferences > Bluetooth >> Advanced > Allow Bluetooth devices to wake this computer. Good idea. I'll try it, or replace both the keyboard and mouse with wired alternatives, if the problem reoccurs. >>> Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much >>> appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! >> >> You're welcome. > > Ditto. : ) >
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 13:52 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <ob11r5$kv6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102828 |
On 3/22/17 5:43 p, David Empson wrote: > Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > >> An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the >> display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least >> it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. >> >> Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these >> settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had >> laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 >> hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see >> what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem >> has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. > > Given the previous computer sleep timeout of 3 hours, a possible > explanation is that you had _something_ which is occasionally producing > fake user activity (thus retriggering the 3 hour timeout), perhaps only > after the computer has been awake for an hour or more and with somewhat > variable timing. By reducing the sleep timeout below some critical > threshold, you've prevented whatever it is from ever reaching the point > that it runs. Entirely possible; however, the question then is why has it just occurred now when I've had this setup for years? Another thought in the troubleshooting litany, given what seemed to fix the problem, I should have tried zapping NVRAM. Obvious after the fact and couldn't hurt. > I'm still inclined to suspect an external source from an input device, > such as a Bluetooth keyboard or mouse going into a deep sleep mode after > its own timeout since last use, which gets misinterpreted by the > computer as activity, but only if the computer is awake at the time. This was, indeed, a good troubleshooting idea. If the problem reoccurs, I'll certainly try it. This time I just lucked out into a solution before I got to it. >> Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much >> appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! > > You're welcome. >
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 04:34 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4F900BB0398D6FCB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #102822 |
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:17:55 -0400, Fred Moore wrote (in article <oaupgk$q7q$1@dont-email.me>): > An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the > display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least > it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. > > Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these > settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had > laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 > hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see > what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem > has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. > > Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much > appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! Nah. I still think it was The Little People :) -- Nelson
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 13:57 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <ob125f$m3i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102870 |
On 3/23/17 4:34 a, Nelson wrote: > On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:17:55 -0400, Fred Moore wrote > (in article <oaupgk$q7q$1@dont-email.me>): > >> An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the >> display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least >> it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. >> >> Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these >> settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had >> laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 >> hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see >> what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem >> has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. >> >> Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much >> appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! > > Nah. I still think it was The Little People :) But, Nelson, I burned the incense, I uttered the incantations, I even left the Laphroaig next to the UPS! What more could they possibly want?!? *<:o)
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-23 16:03 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: One More Time: Mac Antivirus Software?--Sleep problem update |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4F9A25303BEB639B02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #102895 |
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 13:57:49 -0400, Fred Moore wrote (in article <ob125f$m3i$1@dont-email.me>): > On 3/23/17 4:34 a, Nelson wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 17:17:55 -0400, Fred Moore wrote >> (in article <oaupgk$q7q$1@dont-email.me>): >> >>> An update on my sleep problem: I seemed to have fixed it by changing the >>> display and computer sleep settings in the Energy Saver prefs. At least >>> it hasn't reoccurred since I did that; I can't be 100% sure it's gone yet. >>> >>> Details: It wasn't any inspiration that lead me to change these >>> settings. I was just trying to get the script that David and Lewis had >>> laid out to work. My defaults were 30 minutes of screen sleep and 3 >>> hours for the computer. I didn't want to wait round for that long to see >>> what happened so I set them to 1 and 3 minutes respectively. The problem >>> has not reoccurred. As to why this fixed the issue, I have no idea. >>> >>> Thanks again to David, JR, Lewis, and Nelson for your help. Very much >>> appreciated! I can now run pmset -g in my sleep! >> >> Nah. I still think it was The Little People :) > > But, Nelson, I burned the incense, I uttered the incantations, I even > left the Laphroaig next to the UPS! What more could they possibly want?!? > > *<:o) > Their ways are strange. -- Nelson
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-11 09:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-228A4B.09123811032017@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com> |
| In reply to | #102158 |
In article <o9uot2$j9l$1@dont-email.me>, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > Well, here's an update on this sleep prevention issue. I was wondering about this at the time thinking let's see - given my own experiences. > It seems that > even when filesharing is turned OFF, the won't-sleep problem reoccurs. > However, toggling the setting _or_ just _switching_ filesharing on or > off cures the problem for a while. I have had periods where very little that I have done has been hard evidence of curing sleep problems (including not going to sleep on command, waking a few seconds later or later for unknown reasons). All sorts of things, including the things you have been mentioning and doing (on your own or on others recommendation), have seemed to work for a while but not for that long. For some months now, for reasons I do not know, I have had no sleep problems. I am on Snow Leopard and happily for most part. It may be that there are bugs in the system that continue and are very hard or impossible for users to track down. Given my smooth running at the moment and for quite a few months, I can tell you my settings but it might not be so helpful for your OS? -- dorayme
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-11 00:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnoc6i84.376.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #102158 |
In message <o9uot2$j9l$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/4/17 5:26 p, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>> On 3/4/17 1:24 a, Jolly Roger wrote: >>>> On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept >>>>> fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same >>>>> manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows >>>>> suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is >>>>> that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have >>>>> anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try >>>>> manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. >>>> >>>> Hmm... I haven't ever seen that one. Do you happen to be running VMware >>>> Fusion or Parallels Desktop when the machine refuses to sleep? >>> >>> No, not running anything like that or anything exotic. >> >> Ok, just checking. >> >> I realize it's too late now, but the next time it says smbd is >> preventing sleep, it would be good to know if the act of turning System >> Preferences > Sharing > File Sharing off and back on allows the machine >> to sleep. >> >>> This morning I restarted, waited a few minutes, then manually invoked >>> sleep. Worked fine. This afternoon, I manually tried to invoke sleep, >>> but no go. pmset -g now says apsd, Apple Push Notification service >>> daemon, is preventing sleep. >> >> Rather than interpreting the output of pmset for us, it might be more >> helpful to copy and paste the complete output here, in case there are >> other hints about what's going on. >> >> Also, if you know the exact date and time the system tried and faild to >> sleep, it would be good to copy and paste any messages in the >> /var/log/system.log file that have time stamps that match that date and >> time. System log messages often give more detail about error conditions, >> including sleep/wake issues. >> >>> I've never had any of this before. Is the only way to get the machine to >>> sleep to restart? I'm guessing it's not wise to just use kill the errant >>> processes. Thanks for your help. >> >> We need to know more about the cause of the issue before recommending a >> solution, I'm afraid. > Well, here's an update on this sleep prevention issue. It seems that > even when filesharing is turned OFF, the won't-sleep problem reoccurs. > However, toggling the setting _or_ just _switching_ filesharing on or > off cures the problem for a while. > When I run pmset -g, I can see the "(sleep prevented by <something>)" > where <something> so far has been apsd, smbd, UserEventAgent, and/or > AddressBookSour. (AddressBook_Sour_ ?) And this state persists? I ran pmset -g every 10 seconds overnight and at no point did a single instance of something preventing sleep repeat from one 10 second interval to the next. System up-to-date? -- He'd never asked for an exciting life. What he really liked, what he sought on every occasion, was boredom. The trouble was that boredom tended to explode in your face. Just when he thought he'd found it he'd be suddenly involved in what he supposed other people - thoughtless, feckless people - would call an adventure. And he'd be forced to visit many strange lands and meet exotic and colourful people, although not for very long because usually he'd be running. He'd seen the creation of the universe, although not from a good seat, and had visited Hell and the afterlife. He'd been captured, imprisoned, rescued, lost and marooned. Sometimes it had all happened on the same day.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-05 01:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobmp9t.llb.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101797 |
In message <o9f9u0$c41$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > On 3/4/17 1:24 a, Jolly Roger wrote: >> On 2017-03-04, Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: >>> >>> Okay, this is getting confusing. I removed Avast and the system slept >>> fine last night when I slept it manually. Tonight I just did the same >>> manual sleep, but the system stayed awake. I ran pmset -g as you fellows >>> suggested, and it produces 'sleep prevented by smbd'. What is smbd? Is >>> that smb filesharing? While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have >>> anything remote mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try >>> manual sleep again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. >> >> Hmm... I haven't ever seen that one. Do you happen to be running VMware >> Fusion or Parallels Desktop when the machine refuses to sleep? > No, not running anything like that or anything exotic. > This morning I restarted, waited a few minutes, then manually invoked > sleep. Worked fine. This afternoon, I manually tried to invoke sleep, > but no go. pmset -g now says apsd, Apple Push Notification service > daemon, is preventing sleep. Same issue Lewis is having. WTF? I don't > allow _any_ push notifications that I'm aware of. I was not having an issue. apsd runs for abut 4 seconds every now and then. When it runs, it does prevent sleep, but it does not run long enough to actually prevent sleep. > I've never had any of this before. Is the only way to get the machine to > sleep to restart? I'm guessing it's not wise to just use kill the errant > processes. Thanks for your help. while : ; do pmset -g | grep "\bsleep\b"; sleep 10; done sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 (sleep prevented by useractivityd) sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 sleep 10 -- The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-04 08:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnobktjd.7vl.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101760 |
In message <o9dff9$6ni$1@dont-email.me> Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> wrote: > What is smbd? $ man smbd [ ... ] DESCRIPTION smbd runs on a server machine to service SMB protocol requests from SMB client machines. > Is that smb filesharing? Yes. > While I have filesharing turned on, I don't have anything remote > mounted. Any idea what's going on? I'm going to try manual sleep > again, but I won't be back here till tomorrow regardless. smbd may be checking the LAN for shares, or may be responding to queries from another machine or something else might have something on your machine mounted. -- Yeah, and I never wanted to kick Albert Einstein in the nuts.
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-20 10:38 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-6ADF70.10384320022017@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com> |
| In reply to | #100653 |
In article <o8cbch$hjh$1@news.albasani.net>, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote: > I don't use any AV software. My ISP (Comcast) is urging me to accept > their offer of a free install of the Norton Internet Security for Mac on > my Sierra 10.12.3 iMac. > > Yes? No? No. -- dorayme
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