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Mac Malware

Started by"David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid>
First post2017-03-08 08:44 +0000
Last post2017-03-12 23:19 -0400
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  Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 08:44 +0000
    Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-08 10:20 +0100
    Re: Mac Malware Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-08 10:38 +0100
    Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-08 09:39 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:33 +0000
    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-08 15:07 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware michaelunowho@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 14:34 -0800
      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:22 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-09 23:27 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 03:23 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-10 09:43 +0100
              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 06:16 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-13 07:26 +0000
      Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:24 -0500
    Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-08 11:17 -0500
      Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-09 07:43 +1100
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:39 +0000
        Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-10 18:55 -0500
    Re: Mac Malware Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-09 14:25 -0500
      Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:31 +0000
        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 11:44 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 16:45 +0000
          Knock-knock (Was: Re: Mac Malware) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:10 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:28 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:32 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:53 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 11:22 -0700
          Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 13:45 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:27 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 13:41 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 20:05 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 19:39 -0500
                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 16:44 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 16:55 -0400
                      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:22 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:42 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:36 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:04 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:46 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:45 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:09 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:48 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:25 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:26 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-13 14:06 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:45 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:38 -0400
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:47 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-15 10:18 -0700
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 13:21 -0400
                                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:13 -0400
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:07 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 17:25 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:11 -0400
                                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                                  Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:14 -0400
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:49 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:22 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:35 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
                          Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:40 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2017-04-03 12:19 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:14 -0700
              Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:53 -0500
                Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 09:04 -0700
                  Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:26 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:24 -0700
                  Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:54 -0500
                  Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 17:01 -0500
                    Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:21 -0700
                      Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 23:23 -0500
                        Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-12 04:23 -0600
          Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:25 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:04 -0700
          Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-10 23:24 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-11 13:35 +1100
          Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-10 19:07 -0800
            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 22:11 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 08:14 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:27 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-03-11 12:13 -0600
              Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-11 18:16 -0800
              Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-13 09:42 +0100
          Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:38 -0500
        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:03 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 11:46 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 13:55 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 14:17 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 08:51 +0000
            Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-11 17:58 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-11 18:10 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-12 14:36 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-12 11:34 -0400
                    Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-13 22:46 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-16 13:27 -0400
                        Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-16 19:46 +0000
          Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-11 23:14 -0500
            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 23:31 -0500
              Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:18 -0400
                Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 23:20 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 14:16 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-14 09:48 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-15 01:21 +1300
                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 15:19 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:01 -0700
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 22:13 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:35 -0700
                        Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:45 -0700
                          Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:16 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:55 -0700
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:14 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:54 -0700
                Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:43 -0400
            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 16:14 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 16:34 +0000
                Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 20:33 +0000
                  Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:26 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:31 -0400
                  Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-15 08:31 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
                      Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:00 +0000
                      Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:16 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-17 13:56 +1300
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 16:01 +0000
                                  Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-18 10:17 +1300
                                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 21:53 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:46 +0000
                                      Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-19 10:48 +1300
                                  Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:23 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-18 11:17 -0400
                                      Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:44 +0000
                                      Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-20 11:02 +0100
                          Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:01 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 15:30 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:10 +0000
                                Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-18 14:56 +0000
                                  Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:43 +0000
                                    Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-19 16:57 +0000
                        Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 03:59 +0000
                          Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-21 15:06 -0400
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-21 20:42 +0000
                              Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
                            Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-23 05:09 +0000
              Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:19 -0400

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#102544

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-18 14:46 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocqi88.153.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102511
In message <1n32tvt.17ymqvr1xt5fk5N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> On 2017-03-17, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>> >
>> > (I do still have Flash Player installed on my Mac Mini "set top box"; it
>> > only gets used for web browsing rarely, such as accessing TV on demand
>> > web sites which still use Flash, and then only for the one local network
>> > which has not released an Apple TV app - bizarre choice because they
>> > have released an iOS app and the competing network has had an Apple TV
>> > app for more than a year.)
>> 
>> I know Netflix still demands you have Silverlight installed, because I
>> had an old Mac mini set up just for watching video in a spare bedroom
>> until I recently replaced it with an Apple TV. Which services still use
>> Flash?

> Television New Zealand, who run TV One and TV Two here. Not one you're
> likely to encounter. Their web interface for on-demand viewing of
> recently broadcast programmes still uses Flash, as does the competition
> MediaWorks who run TV Three.

At least their news clips play just fine without Flash when I tell them
I'm on an iPad.

<https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwi-mum-faces-high-costs-while-helping-her-daughter-fight-diabetes?auto=5364102135001>

> Both have iOS apps, and both support the Freeview Plus streaming service
> to smart TVs. Only MediaWorks has an Apple TV app. None of these
> variants use Flash, only the web sites. They don't have mobile web site
> which stream video, so no way to trick the web site into giving
> non-Flash versions by pretending to be an iPad.

Their TV content doesn't play even if I VPN into NZ because they check
my computer's time zone (of all the idiotic things to do) and I am
unwilling to change that. Never mentions anything about Flash.


-- 
"There will always be women in rubber flirting with me."

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#102578

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2017-03-19 10:48 +1300
Message-ID<1n34qah.1bu6kt46haq7N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#102544
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1n32tvt.17ymqvr1xt5fk5N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson
> <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >> On 2017-03-17, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > (I do still have Flash Player installed on my Mac Mini "set top box"; it
> >> > only gets used for web browsing rarely, such as accessing TV on demand
> >> > web sites which still use Flash, and then only for the one local network
> >> > which has not released an Apple TV app - bizarre choice because they
> >> > have released an iOS app and the competing network has had an Apple TV
> >> > app for more than a year.)
> >> 
> >> I know Netflix still demands you have Silverlight installed, because I
> >> had an old Mac mini set up just for watching video in a spare bedroom
> >> until I recently replaced it with an Apple TV. Which services still use
> >> Flash?
> 
> > Television New Zealand, who run TV One and TV Two here. Not one you're
> > likely to encounter. Their web interface for on-demand viewing of
> > recently broadcast programmes still uses Flash, as does the competition
> > MediaWorks who run TV Three.
> 
> At least their news clips play just fine without Flash when I tell them
> I'm on an iPad.
> 
> <https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwi-mum-faces-high-costs-while-
> helping-her-daughter-fight-diabetes?auto=5364102135001>

I wasn't talking about their news items, but their TV on demand section.

Having checked again, I can now play at least a random sample of recent
programmes without Flash. Yay! They must have changed that recently.
Still no Apple TV app, though.

Also looks like MediaWorks have dumped Flash.

(Scoots over to Mac Mini and uninstalls Flash.)

Thanks for making me look again.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#102541

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-18 14:23 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocqgrq.153.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102493
In message <ej2fimF2ijmU2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-17, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>>
>> (I do still have Flash Player installed on my Mac Mini "set top box"; it
>> only gets used for web browsing rarely, such as accessing TV on demand
>> web sites which still use Flash, and then only for the one local network
>> which has not released an Apple TV app - bizarre choice because they
>> have released an iOS app and the competing network has had an Apple TV
>> app for more than a year.)

> I know Netflix still demands you have Silverlight installed, because I
> had an old Mac mini set up just for watching video in a spare bedroom
> until I recently replaced it with an Apple TV. Which services still use
> Flash?

There are lots that CLAIM to require flash, but as far as I can recall,
they are all lying.

-- 
K is for KATE who was struck by an axe
L is for Leo who swallowed some tacks

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#102552

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-03-18 11:17 -0400
Message-ID<180320171117165190%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#102541
In article <slrnocqgrq.153.g.kreme@snow.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> 
> There are lots that CLAIM to require flash, but as far as I can recall,
> they are all lying.

the only one that i can think of that isn't lying is the virtual credit
card number generator that citibank & bank of america use, which is
done entirely in flash.

the only alternative is to download a windows app.

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#102600

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-19 16:44 +0000
Message-ID<slrnoctdgu.1sqs.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102552
In message <180320171117165190%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnocqgrq.153.g.kreme@snow.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> 
>> There are lots that CLAIM to require flash, but as far as I can recall,
>> they are all lying.

> the only one that i can think of that isn't lying is the virtual credit
> card number generator that citibank & bank of america use, which is
> done entirely in flash.

Sorry, i meant for video playback sites.

There are plenty of Flash only sites and tools out there. Hell, I think
most restaurants are still Flash sites.

-- 
I WILL STOP TALKING ABOUT THE TWELVE INCH PIANIST Bart chalkboard Ep.
3F07

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#102649

Frombefr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich)
Date2017-03-20 11:02 +0100
Message-ID<1n36lpk.1jz61lsmm30c4N%befr@eaglesoft.de>
In reply to#102552
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the only one that i can think of that isn't lying is the virtual credit
> card number generator that citibank & bank of america use, which is
> done entirely in flash.

A security feature that requires flash of all things?

Well that sure is ... strange.

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#102464

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-17 04:01 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocmo20.1ogp.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102413
In message <eivl1kFfpfcU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.
>> 
>> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.

> Meh. I won't install Chrome.

Chrome is the best alternative browser. That said, it is an ALTERNATIVE
browser, I don't use it all the time.

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#102490

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-17 15:30 +0000
Message-ID<ej2dosF29rgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102464
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <eivl1kFfpfcU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>>>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>>>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>>>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.
>>> 
>>> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>>> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>>> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
> 
>> Meh. I won't install Chrome.
> 
> Chrome is the best alternative browser. That said, it is an ALTERNATIVE
> browser, I don't use it all the time.

We can certainly agree to disagree on that point. I'll stick with Firefox,
thanks. : )

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#102540

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-18 14:10 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocqg4n.153.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102490
In message <ej2dosF29rgU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <eivl1kFfpfcU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>>>>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>>>>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>>>>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>>>> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>>>> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
>> 
>>> Meh. I won't install Chrome.
>> 
>> Chrome is the best alternative browser. That said, it is an ALTERNATIVE
>> browser, I don't use it all the time.

> We can certainly agree to disagree on that point. I'll stick with Firefox,
> thanks. : )

Firefox is a mess though. The only advantage that Firefox has over
Safari, if you can call it that, is more addons and plugins. But it's
been a long time since I couldn't do what I wanted with addons on
Safari, so Firefox is just an inferior UI/UX.

Chrome does offer a few slight advantages and differences over Safari
(the inclusion of its own Flash being a small one). Chrome also works,
or works better, with a few sites than Safari does.

Right now, the only thing I am using Chrome for on a consistent basis is
the DSM page for the synology, which in Chrome supports file drag and
drop.

That said, Chrome is a resource hog and a battery pig, so I tend not to
leave it running even though it's much better behaved than it has been
in the past. It's been months, or at least weeks, since its "Energy
Impact" was in the thousands.

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#102548

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-18 14:56 +0000
Message-ID<ej505cFi2s0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102540
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <ej2dosF29rgU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> In message <eivl1kFfpfcU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>>>>>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>>>>>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>>>>>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>>>>> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>>>>> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
>>> 
>>>> Meh. I won't install Chrome.
>>> 
>>> Chrome is the best alternative browser. That said, it is an ALTERNATIVE
>>> browser, I don't use it all the time.
> 
>> We can certainly agree to disagree on that point. I'll stick with Firefox,
>> thanks. : )
> 
> Firefox is a mess though. 

Works fine for me for 1% of websites that don't function correctly in
Safari.

> The only advantage that Firefox has over
> Safari, 

The only advantage I care about is that it loads websites I need to access.

> Chrome does offer a few slight advantages and differences over Safari
> (the inclusion of its own Flash being a small one). 

That's a *disadvantage* for me.

> That said, Chrome is a resource hog and a battery pig

No thanks.

Again, we can agree to disagree. : )

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#102599

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-19 16:43 +0000
Message-ID<slrnoctdee.1sqs.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102548
In message <ej505cFi2s0U1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <ej2dosF29rgU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> In message <eivl1kFfpfcU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>>>>>>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>>>>>>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>>>>>>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>>>>>> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>>>>>> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
>>>> 
>>>>> Meh. I won't install Chrome.
>>>> 
>>>> Chrome is the best alternative browser. That said, it is an ALTERNATIVE
>>>> browser, I don't use it all the time.
>> 
>>> We can certainly agree to disagree on that point. I'll stick with Firefox,
>>> thanks. : )
>> 
>> Firefox is a mess though. 

> Works fine for me for 1% of websites that don't function correctly in
> Safari.

>> The only advantage that Firefox has over
>> Safari, 

> The only advantage I care about is that it loads websites I need to access.

>> Chrome does offer a few slight advantages and differences over Safari
>> (the inclusion of its own Flash being a small one). 

> That's a *disadvantage* for me.

Usually, yes. But sometimes (for entirely stupid reasons) Flash is
required. My wife has to interact with a site for her work that
requires Flash. The choices are install it in the OS, or run Chrome.

Not sure when I last had to run Chrome for anything other than the DSM
webview, and that's more that one specific issue doesn't work correctly
in Safari. Or maybe it's a Java issue. Drag-and-drop file copy to the
Synology is not critical though, it's just a convenience.

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#102602

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-19 16:57 +0000
Message-ID<ej7rk7F566fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102599
On 2017-03-19, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <ej505cFi2s0U1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> In message <ej2dosF29rgU1@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We can certainly agree to disagree on that point. I'll stick with
>>>> Firefox, thanks. : )
>>> 
>>> Firefox is a mess though. 
>
>> Works fine for me for 1% of websites that don't function correctly in
>> Safari.
>
>>> The only advantage that Firefox has over Safari, 
>
>> The only advantage I care about is that it loads websites I need to
>> access.
>
>>> Chrome does offer a few slight advantages and differences over
>>> Safari (the inclusion of its own Flash being a small one). 
>
>> That's a *disadvantage* for me.
>
> Usually, yes. But sometimes (for entirely stupid reasons) Flash is
> required.

None of the web sites I care about require Flash. For the third time, we
can agree to disagree. : )

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#102463

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-17 03:59 +0000
Message-ID<slrnocmnuu.1ogp.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102407
In message <1n2z1xh.1k489am819oscN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>> > I looked at the same video in Chrome (because sometimes Flash is the
>> > reason something won't show in Safari). 
>> 
>> Nah! Any time you see a web page that claims Flash is needed, all you have
>> to do is change the user agent (in the Safari "Develop" menu) to any iOS
>> string and the video will "magically" load. There's literally no need to
>> have Flash installed for the overwhelming majority of videos to play.

> Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
> load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
> your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.

Don't get used to it, Chrome is dropping support for Flash RSN.

> By the way (for the benfit of anyone else reading this thread - I did it
> ages ago) I think I am right that the Develop menu has to be activated,
> it is not there by default. Or is my memory wrong of having to do this.

It is a checkbox in the preferences somewhere. Probably "Advanced."


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#102749

Fromdcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen)
Date2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
Message-ID<1n30tey.1c00e9zgr043yN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>
In reply to#102463
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:

> > Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
> > load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
> > your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
> 
> Don't get used to it, Chrome is dropping support for Flash RSN.

Thanks. My artist firend sends me lots of animated greeting cards, which
are rather fun. They use Flash, so I switch from Safari to Chrome to
view them. I'll have to see if they work in iOS.

> 
> > By the way (for the benfit of anyone else reading this thread - I did it
> > ages ago) I think I am right that the Develop menu has to be activated,
> > it is not there by default. Or is my memory wrong of having to do this.
> 
> It is a checkbox in the preferences somewhere. Probably "Advanced."

Could be. But my recollection is that it is a Terminal command, a
defaults write thing.

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#102751

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-03-21 15:06 -0400
Message-ID<210320171506419194%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#102749
In article <1n30tey.1c00e9zgr043yN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>, Daniel
Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:

> > > Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
> > > load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
> > > your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
> > 
> > Don't get used to it, Chrome is dropping support for Flash RSN.
> 
> Thanks. My artist firend sends me lots of animated greeting cards, which
> are rather fun. 

odd definition of fun.

> They use Flash, so I switch from Safari to Chrome to
> view them. I'll have to see if they work in iOS.

they won't if they use flash, nor will they work on android devices and
eventually everything.

why is she still using flash? hasn't she heard it's dead?

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#102868

Fromdcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen)
Date2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
Message-ID<1n3a3f9.1x8b5ba11rqa23N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>
In reply to#102751
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1n30tey.1c00e9zgr043yN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>, Daniel
> Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
> > > > load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
> > > > your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
> > > 
> > > Don't get used to it, Chrome is dropping support for Flash RSN.
> > 
> > Thanks. My artist firend sends me lots of animated greeting cards, which
> > are rather fun. 
> 
> odd definition of fun.

Animated greeting cards ARE fun!!
> 
> > They use Flash, so I switch from Safari to Chrome to
> > view them. I'll have to see if they work in iOS.
> 
> they won't if they use flash, nor will they work on android devices and
> eventually everything.
> 
> why is she still using flash? hasn't she heard it's dead?

SHE isn't using Flash, the site that provides them (Rubber Chicken
cards) is. 

Maybe they show the cards differently on an iOS device, maybe the cards
can't be viewed at all without Flash. I haven't checked yet.  
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#102769

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2017-03-21 20:42 +0000
Message-ID<ejdhh3F94mpU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#102749
On 2017-03-21, Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks. My artist firend sends me lots of animated greeting cards, which
> are rather fun. They use Flash, so I switch from Safari to Chrome to
> view them. I'll have to see if they work in iOS.

My wife and I have used the justWink app on iOS to send greeting cards
for a while now; we wouldn't dream of going back to the horrible user
experience of traditional Flash-based web cards.

<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/justwink/id439880532>

Highly recommended.

>>> By the way (for the benfit of anyone else reading this thread - I
>>> did it ages ago) I think I am right that the Develop menu has to be
>>> activated, it is not there by default. Or is my memory wrong of
>>> having to do this.
>> 
>> It is a checkbox in the preferences somewhere. Probably "Advanced."
>
> Could be. But my recollection is that it is a Terminal command, a
> defaults write thing.

It's at Safari Preferences > Advanced > Show Develop menu.

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#102869

Fromdcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen)
Date2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
Message-ID<1n3a3sc.1uu62f41v4w1h7N%dcohenspam@talktalk.net>
In reply to#102769
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:


> 
> My wife and I have used the justWink app on iOS to send greeting cards
> for a while now; we wouldn't dream of going back to the horrible user
> experience of traditional Flash-based web cards.
> 
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/justwink/id439880532>
> 
> Highly recommended.

Thanks. I'll mention it to her.

> It's at Safari Preferences > Advanced > Show Develop menu.
OK, my memory was wrong.

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#102863

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-03-23 05:09 +0000
Message-ID<slrnod6m98.2fc1.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#102749
In message <1n30tey.1c00e9zgr043yN%dcohenspam@talktalk.net> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> Daniel Cohen <dcohenspam@talktalk.net> wrote:

>> > Sure. As I said in my other post, the YouTube video sometimes won't
>> > load, but probably the reason has nothing to do with Flash. I'll try
>> > your suggestion, though switching to Chrome seems as easy.
>> 
>> Don't get used to it, Chrome is dropping support for Flash RSN.

> Thanks. My artist firend sends me lots of animated greeting cards, which
> are rather fun. They use Flash, so I switch from Safari to Chrome to
> view them. I'll have to see if they work in iOS.

They do not. iOS has never supported Flash and will never support Flash.


>> It is a checkbox in the preferences somewhere. Probably "Advanced."

> Could be. But my recollection is that it is a Terminal command, a
> defaults write thing.

Not anymore.



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#102246

FromJohn Albert <j.albert@snet.net>
Date2017-03-12 23:19 -0400
Message-ID<wdoxA.11369$Y11.1143@fx12.iad>
In reply to#102225
On 3/12/17 12:14 PM, Lewis wrote:
> Ridiculous. I download videos from youtube with Safari with no issues at
> all.

OK, guess my assumption was wrong.
What tools/extensions are you using with Safari to do it?

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