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  RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-13 22:00 -0700
    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-14 06:59 +0100
      Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2017-03-14 11:17 +0000
    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-03-14 00:21 -0600
    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 15:24 +0000
    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-14 17:03 +0000
      Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-03-14 13:50 -0400
        Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-14 19:07 +0100
          Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 17:37 -0400
            Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2017-03-15 14:58 -0600
              Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 17:12 -0400
                Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-03-16 11:20 -0400
                  Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-16 20:38 +0000
                    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 21:27 -0400
                      Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-17 16:45 +0000
    Re: RSS and Safari 6.1.6 Tim Lance <not@here.com> - 2017-03-17 08:03 -0500

#102286 — RSS and Safari 6.1.6

So I've finally moved up to hardware that can run something newer than 
Tiger - I've now got a rig that tops out at Lion/10.7.5 without "hacks". 
Which, at least for the time being, is all the further I'm even going to 
*ATTEMPT* to go - As of this moment, I'm not interested in hearing about 
hacks to get to a newer OS version, even if it's so stupid-simple a 2 
year old can do it, and get paid to do so, so please, spare me the "you 
can run such-and-so with minimal hacking" suggestions. 

Obviously, the upgrade also means I've moved up to a newer version of 
Safari. And in so doing, I've lost RSS feed handling - or at least, so 
it seems so far...

Used to be (with 4.1.3 under Tiger) that I could take a feed URL (In 
this example case, for the BBC world news feed) of the form 
"feed://feeds.bbci.co.uk/news/world/rss.xml" and stuff it into a 
bookmark wherever I liked it, and "it just worked" - get up in the 
morning, hit the bookmark, get a list of new items from the BBC, click 
on the ones that interest me, and all is well. Now, with 6.1.6, trying 
to do *ANYTHING* with an RSS feed beyond adding it as a bookmark fires 
up Mail.app. If I wanted to subscribe to a mailing list, that's what I'd 
do! I want the RSS feed in my browser, where it belongs! 

So what options do I have (short of switching to firefox - which *MAY* 
be what I end up doing for other reasons) for dealing with RSS feeds in 
Safari? Googling shows me a couple of articles that make mention of some 
sort of (not specified clearly) security problem with RSS feeds in 
Safari that apparently convinced Apple to kill the built-in RSS handler, 
but I'm finding nothing that's actually useful. 

Further, I'm having a great laugh (please note the large dose of 
sarcasm) at the fact that *EACH AND EVERY* attempt I make to visit *ANY* 
"https://<somethinghere>.apple.com/" URL using Safari has an identical 
result: "Safari can't open the page <whatever the URL was> because 
Safari can't establish a secure connectino to the server <server part of 
URL>". When I google this, I see a *LOT* of chatter about how it's 
happening (or was when it was apparently a "new" problem a couple of 
years back) but absolutely nothing useful comes up that doesn't involve 
"Use a different browser" (Which I've tried - Firefox gets around it - 
however, for reasons of my own, I'd prefer to stick with Safari, at lest 
for now)

While it's great to have newer, better hardware, I'm almost regretting 
the "upgrade" - A whole bunch of things seem to have been changed, with 
no apparent benefit - and in some cases, very definite "dis-benefits".

-- 
If the door is baroque don't be Haydn. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel.

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#102287

In article <oa7t7d$n2$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> 
wrote:

> Obviously, the upgrade also means I've moved up to a newer version of 
> Safari. And in so doing, I've lost RSS feed handling - or at least, so 
> it seems so far...

<http://www.vienna-rss.com/>
-- 
teleportation kills

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#102297

On 14/03/2017 05:59, android wrote:
> In article <oa7t7d$n2$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Obviously, the upgrade also means I've moved up to a newer version of
>> Safari. And in so doing, I've lost RSS feed handling - or at least, so
>> it seems so far...
>
> <http://www.vienna-rss.com/>

If you like, you can also use that (and many other RSS readers) in 
conjunction with my RSS Extension for Safari, which reinstates the old 
toolbar button for discovered feeds.

More info: <http://calum.me/safari>

Download from Apple: 
<https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=com.scottishwildcat.feedmenu-U658JZ835M>

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#102288

Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> wrote:

> So what options do I have (short of switching to firefox

I think Vienna 3.0.9 works in 10.7. 

<http://www.vienna-rss.com>

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#102301

Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> wrote:
> So I've finally moved up to hardware that can run something newer than 
> Tiger - I've now got a rig that tops out at Lion/10.7.5 without "hacks". 
> 
> While it's great to have newer, better hardware, I'm almost regretting 
> the "upgrade" - A whole bunch of things seem to have been changed, with 
> no apparent benefit - and in some cases, very definite "dis-benefits".

10.7 and 10.8 are transitional releases where things were very much in flux
and buggy. I wouldn't recommend running either of them long-term,
personally. Things have gotten *much* better in El Capitan and Sierra.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#102306

For your reference, records indicate that 
Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> wrote:

> I want the RSS feed in my browser, where it belongs! 

There is nothing about RSS feeds that ties them to the browser.  Plenty 
of dedicated software exists (or existed for Lion) to read them.  Hell, 
I even wrote some software to turn them into *calendars* so they could 
be read in iCal/Calendar.  I suggest looking for a version of 
NetNewsWire that is supported by your system (3.1.7 is where I topped 
out).  Just about anything is going to offer a far better experience 
than using what Apple offered with Safari.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#102308

In article <oa97pe$9ku$1@dont-email.me>,
 Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:

> For your reference, records indicate that 
> Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> wrote:
> 
> > I want the RSS feed in my browser, where it belongs! 
> 
> There is nothing about RSS feeds that ties them to the browser.  Plenty 
> of dedicated software exists (or existed for Lion) to read them.  Hell, 
> I even wrote some software to turn them into *calendars* so they could 
> be read in iCal/Calendar.  I suggest looking for a version of 
> NetNewsWire that is supported by your system (3.1.7 is where I topped 
> out).  Just about anything is going to offer a far better experience 
> than using what Apple offered with Safari.

Didn't Apple move RSS reading from Safari to Mail at some point? Or was 
it the other way around?

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#102310

In article <barmar-51FF85.13505514032017@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>,
 Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <oa97pe$9ku$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> > For your reference, records indicate that 
> > Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > I want the RSS feed in my browser, where it belongs! 
> > 
> > There is nothing about RSS feeds that ties them to the browser.  Plenty 
> > of dedicated software exists (or existed for Lion) to read them.  Hell, 
> > I even wrote some software to turn them into *calendars* so they could 
> > be read in iCal/Calendar.  I suggest looking for a version of 
> > NetNewsWire that is supported by your system (3.1.7 is where I topped 
> > out).  Just about anything is going to offer a far better experience 
> > than using what Apple offered with Safari.
> 
> Didn't Apple move RSS reading from Safari to Mail at some point? Or was 
> it the other way around?

It was moved, or duplicated from Safari to Mail to /dev/null, IIRC.
-- 
teleportation kills

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#102324

On 2017-03-14 18:07:57 +0000, android <here@there.was> said:

> It was moved, or duplicated from Safari to Mail to /dev/null, IIRC.

It is back in Safari again.

A.

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#102395

Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is back in Safari again.

But still somewhat clunky compared to a dedicated RSS app. 

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#102396

On 2017-03-15 20:58:33 +0000, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) said:

> But still somewhat clunky compared to a dedicated RSS app.

I think you are being quite generous.  I use a hosted RSS aggregator 
myself, maybe someday Apple will decide where they want to be with RSS.

A.

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#102421

In article <oacahp$ehg$1@dont-email.me>, Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On 2017-03-15 20:58:33 +0000, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) said:
> 
> > But still somewhat clunky compared to a dedicated RSS app.
> 
> I think you are being quite generous.  I use a hosted RSS aggregator 
> myself, maybe someday Apple will decide where they want to be with RSS.

I think they long ago decided that they just want to provide bare-bones 
support, and the only question was which application. If you want 
something better, you get a dedicated application.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#102434

For your reference, records indicate that 
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <oacahp$ehg$1@dont-email.me>, Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 2017-03-15 20:58:33 +0000, nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) said:
> > 
> > > But still somewhat clunky compared to a dedicated RSS app.
> > 
> > I think you are being quite generous.  I use a hosted RSS aggregator 
> > myself, maybe someday Apple will decide where they want to be with RSS.
> 
> I think they long ago decided that they just want to provide bare-bones 
> support, and the only question was which application.

Probably shouldn’t be *any* application at this point.  The most natural 
thing to do would be to provide an aggregator to bridge it with 
Notification Center, a la:

https://developer.apple.com/notifications/safari-push-notifications/

That way, it’d unify the concept of web sites sending you updates.  
Wouldn’t help the OP, though, being on a pre-NC version of Mac OS X.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#102458

On 2017-03-16 20:38:59 +0000, Doc O'Leary  
<droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> said:

> The most natural  thing to do would be to provide an aggregator to 
> bridge it with Notification Center

As someone who gets hundreds of new RSS entries per hour, I am pretty 
sure I do not want them in Notification Center.  If you want that sort 
of thing, there is the Monotony app.

The Mail interface was actually not bad - I used it in preference to 
standalone apps.  As previously mentioned, Vienna is good.  Selfoss, as 
a hosted application, is pretty awesome in my opinion.

A.

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#102494

For your reference, records indicate that 
Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone who gets hundreds of new RSS entries per hour, I am pretty 
> sure I do not want them in Notification Center.

That’s part of the problem with RSS (and the web in general): sites use 
it in so many ways that there will never be a single way to consume 
every feed.  I have no idea what kind of site kicks out 100 updates an 
hour, or why you’re subscribing if they’re not important updates.  For 
something like that, I’d maybe use a Usenet bridge like gmane.org to 
manage the flood.

> The Mail interface was actually not bad - I used it in preference to 
> standalone apps.  As previously mentioned, Vienna is good.  Selfoss, as 
> a hosted application, is pretty awesome in my opinion.

Apple’s big sin is that they *still* don’t have a system framework for 
RSS.  It’s how podcasts get published, so you know iTunes uses 
something.  They’ve jerked around the functionality between Safari and 
Mail, too, as has been noted.  A common framework would make it hell 
of a lot easier for everyone to deal with all the different types of 
feeds that get published, using an interface that is best suited to 
each particular type.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#102484

On Mar 14, 2017, Don Bruder wrote
(in article <oa7t7d$n2$1@dont-email.me>):

> So I've finally moved up to hardware that can run something newer than
> Tiger - I've now got a rig that tops out at Lion/10.7.5 without "hacks".
> Which, at least for the time being, is all the further I'm even going to
> *ATTEMPT* to go - As of this moment, I'm not interested in hearing about
> hacks to get to a newer OS version, even if it's so stupid-simple a 2
> year old can do it, and get paid to do so, so please, spare me the "you
> can run such-and-so with minimal hacking" suggestions.
>
> Obviously, the upgrade also means I've moved up to a newer version of
> Safari. And in so doing, I've lost RSS feed handling - or at least, so
> it seems so far...
>
> Used to be (with 4.1.3 under Tiger) that I could take a feed URL (In
> this example case, for the BBC world news feed) of the form
> "feed://feeds.bbci.co.uk/news/world/rss.xml" and stuff it into a
> bookmark wherever I liked it, and "it just worked" - get up in the
> morning, hit the bookmark, get a list of new items from the BBC, click
> on the ones that interest me, and all is well. Now, with 6.1.6, trying
> to do *ANYTHING* with an RSS feed beyond adding it as a bookmark fires
> up Mail.app. If I wanted to subscribe to a mailing list, that's what I'd
> do! I want the RSS feed in my browser, where it belongs!
>
> So what options do I have (short of switching to firefox - which *MAY*
> be what I end up doing for other reasons) for dealing with RSS feeds in
> Safari? Googling shows me a couple of articles that make mention of some
> sort of (not specified clearly) security problem with RSS feeds in
> Safari that apparently convinced Apple to kill the built-in RSS handler,
> but I'm finding nothing that's actually useful.
>
> Further, I'm having a great laugh (please note the large dose of
> sarcasm) at the fact that *EACH AND EVERY* attempt I make to visit *ANY*
> "https://<somethinghere>.apple.com/" URL using Safari has an identical
> result: "Safari can't open the page <whatever the URL was> because
> Safari can't establish a secure connectino to the server <server part of
> URL>". When I google this, I see a *LOT* of chatter about how it's
> happening (or was when it was apparently a "new" problem a couple of
> years back) but absolutely nothing useful comes up that doesn't involve
> "Use a different browser" (Which I've tried - Firefox gets around it -
> however, for reasons of my own, I'd prefer to stick with Safari, at lest
> for now)
>
> While it's great to have newer, better hardware, I'm almost regretting
> the "upgrade" - A whole bunch of things seem to have been changed, with
> no apparent benefit - and in some cases, very definite "dis-benefits".

I am a huge RSS fan and have tried them all. And I continue to try. I keep 
coming back to using the inoreader service and their own browser based 
system. Caveat: while a huge fan I am a simplistic user so your own needs may 
dictate a much different evaluation.

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